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Speaker 2: He's played with, worked with everyone from Frank Zappata White

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Speaker 2: And he's in Violate tour at the Perth Concert Hall Saturday,

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Speaker 2: November eleven. It's been too long, Steve Vig, Mike, how

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Speaker 3: Good? Nice to be here, Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Good morning. It has been too long. It's been ten

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Speaker 5: Well, that's one of the reasons.

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Speaker 3: But also you know, I had done other tours, but

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Speaker 5: We are a long way, fial.

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Speaker 3: So much love coming there. I'm so glad we've got

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're so excited because I went with my

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's amazing. I don't if you still got

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, it may very well be the last

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Speaker 3: And we started over a year ago last May, and

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Speaker 5: The middle of a two hundred show tour.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Steve, did you create this triple nick guitar?

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Speaker 4: You started your career with a rather random position. What

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Speaker 3: So you can have a lot of facility, a lot

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Speaker 1: But comes back to melody and feel love it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you had a documentary come out last year, the

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Speaker 4: First thirty Years I love It's called the First thirty Years,

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Speaker 4: not the whole picture, And you actually co wrote it.

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Speaker 4: Was it important to you to make sure to keep

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Speaker 3: I didn't co write it. Actually, you know, anybody can

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Speaker 3: Because of course, if I really hated what he was doing,

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Speaker 3: I could cause trouble. Yeah, of course I really liked it.

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Speaker 3: I mean this guy went out, I mean he found

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Speaker 1: So he did it all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I just kind of guided him a little

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Speaker 3: and he seemed to have captured a lot of that.

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Speaker 2: That's cool, and no one's anything without their fans, and

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Speaker 1: Fortunate Yeah, very cool. We're going to get the budge

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Speaker 1: started up for you.

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Speaker 5: He yes, yes, tell the quock is he coming? Tell thosealks?

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Speaker 3: Thank you you're hearing, Kevin, Okay, Well, looking very forward

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Speaker 5: We're looking forward to having you. Thank you for chatting

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Speaker 5: to us this morning.

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