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Speaker 1: My name is Lily Madden and I'm a proud Arunda

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Speaker 1: Bunjelung Calcottin woman from Gadighl country. The Daily oz acknowledges

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Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the

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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os. It's Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: the twenty first of March.

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Speaker 3: I'm Zara, I'm Sam.

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Speaker 2: The New South Wales election is around the corner. It

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Speaker 2: is this coming Saturday, and early polling has started already.

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Speaker 2: In the lead up to the states vote, tda's editor

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Speaker 2: Billy fitz Simons has interviewed both the Premier, Dominic Perete,

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Speaker 4: I just want to be really clear. You don't see

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Speaker 4: how this policy could deepen existing inequalities.

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Speaker 5: No, I think every child, absolutely, every child we've better off.

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Speaker 3: And leader of the opposition Chris.

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Speaker 4: Means for people who do want to see serious reform

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Speaker 4: for Pokeys, why would they vote for you? Yeah. Look,

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Speaker 4: in the last eight years or twelve years of gambling

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Speaker 2: In today's Deep Dive, Billy will be joining us to

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Speaker 2: what is making headlines this morning.

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Speaker 6: Latitude Financial Services has stopped bringing on new customers amid

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Speaker 6: an active cyber attack that began last week. In an

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Speaker 6: About three hundred and thirty thousand people have had their

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Speaker 2: Police have arrested a former Australian soldier that they allege

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Speaker 6: UBS has agreed to buy fellow Swiss and longtime rival

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Speaker 2: Discoveries in twenty twenty two included high energy skatas, salsa

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Speaker 3: Billy, welcome back to the pod.

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Speaker 4: Thanks so much for having these, Aarah.

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Speaker 3: It's an exciting time.

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Speaker 4: Premier, thank you so much for speaking to the Daily Eyes.

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Speaker 5: Pleasure Billy.

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Speaker 4: What do you think is the biggest issue facing young

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Speaker 5: But also I also think home ownership is crucial, but

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Speaker 4: You mentioned housing and education. You've just announced a savings

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Speaker 4: What's the pitch in thirty.

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Speaker 5: Seconds, Well, we do want to make sure we set

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Speaker 4: A similar scheme exists in Canada and that found that

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Speaker 5: No, because we made a really important change here, and

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Speaker 4: It's a fact though that the more money you put in,

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Speaker 5: Though, right, that's right. But for those families who are

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Speaker 4: This fund can't be used for renting a house. Most

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Speaker 5: Well, we've invested a lot in terms of our health

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Speaker 4: Now do you think nurses think that it works?

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Speaker 5: Well, there are different views and I understand that there

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Speaker 4: You have a plan, as you later, to attract more nurses,

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Speaker 4: but what are you doing to ensure that they stay

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Speaker 5: Well, we're doing a lot. The way that we've supported

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Speaker 4: Let's move to education. A recent Productivity Commission report found

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Speaker 5: Is that Well, what I can say about our investments

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Speaker 5: But when you look at those figures, you've also got

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Speaker 4: But why is the funding for private schools increasing at

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Speaker 5: Well, that's obviously that's a relationship between state funding and

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Speaker 4: On education, if re elected, will you give teachers a

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Speaker 5: But we've got a fair and balanced approach when it

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Speaker 5: hundred and fifty thousand dollars, So that's a very significant

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Speaker 4: Let's move to the environment. It feels like every few

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Speaker 5: Well at lansat in two ways. The first one is

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Speaker 5: But natural disasters, You're right, and I've seen that firsthand

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Speaker 4: I want to talk about vaping. You've recently admitted that

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean the first thing I'd say is you

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Speaker 5: He vapes, Well, no one's perfect. No one's perfect. And

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Speaker 5: But there's no doubt there's a challenge with many young

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Speaker 4: Do you think that the health messaging is very clear

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Speaker 5: Are, Well, I think it's problem. Vaping is a problem.

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Speaker 4: Lastly, in your eyes, what is the most important quality

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Speaker 5: Conviction, doing what you believe is the right thing to do,

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Speaker 5: They'll always be different opinions and one of the great

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Speaker 4: How do you mark yourself out of ten on conviction, Well.

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Speaker 5: That's for others. That's for others to apply.

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Speaker 1: Not me.

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Speaker 4: Pramie, thank you so much for joining the Daily Ours.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Billy, thanks for joining us today on the Daily OS.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back again tomorrow to bring you Billy's interview

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Speaker 2: with the opposition leader Chris Mins. Have a great day

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Speaker 2: until them