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Speaker 1: and welcome to The Unplayable Podcast. Great to have your

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Speaker 1: company on this episode as we have a massive Ashes

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Speaker 1: preview and we're sitting here at Optus Stadium looking over

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Speaker 1: the magnificent Oval. Here it's bathed in sunlight and hopefully

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Speaker 1: there we see plenty of that over the five days.

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Speaker 1: Josh on a finger, joined by Louis, Cameron and Louis.

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Speaker 1: We've got Cameron Green coming up late on the episode.

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Speaker 1: But let's talk about the Ashes. The hype has been

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Speaker 1: second to none.

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Speaker 2: Has been second to nine. I mean, the Ashes just

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Speaker 2: different gravy when it comes to the circus that builds

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Speaker 2: things up. We're on the West Test Hills at the

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Speaker 2: NROMA Insurance West Test Hill earlier and it was just

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Speaker 2: people everywhere trying to get a question into Alex Carey

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Speaker 2: and Cameron Green and Josh Toungue and who's the other one.

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Speaker 2: Jamie Steen Smith had to separate the print from the

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Speaker 2: TV people And yeah, I mean it's been a funny one,

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Speaker 2: hasn't it. Like the Western Australian newspaper has certainly not

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Speaker 2: left anyone wondering which side that they're barracking for going

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Speaker 2: into this one. But it really does feel like it's

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Speaker 2: England's best chance to win out here since twenty ten

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Speaker 1: It's as well we know that some pundits in the

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Speaker 1: as well. So we'll get to them in just a

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Speaker 1: little bit. But why don't we start with the Aussie

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Speaker 1: that makeup of that eleven as well. Brendan Doggett is

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Speaker 1: one who is probably firming for a Test debut. He's

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Speaker 1: wrote a good article about him earlier in the week.

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Speaker 1: And what can we expect from him if he does

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well you think he probably has to play if

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Speaker 2: the pecking order stands. Australia picked five fast bowlers coming

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Speaker 2: Michael Nisa is now here having played a Shield game

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Speaker 2: bounce isn't necessarily their biggest attribute, but like that shouldn't

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Speaker 1: Isn't it funny that we talk about Dogget's bounce not

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Speaker 1: Definitely check out Lose Peace on cricket dot com, do

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Speaker 1: you if you haven't already listeners. The other one, of

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Speaker 2: What spoilers on that one. Those spoilers are my ridiculous theory.

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Speaker 2: I think I think CAVN was being pretty kind to

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Speaker 2: what the listeners saying.

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Speaker 1: The England team, they have a few question marks. They've

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Speaker 1: And this is a home test. I you haven't played

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Speaker 1: Have you been inundated with family and friends, you wanting

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Speaker 2: The new faces that you're talking about, You're right, we

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Speaker 3: that last game. Yeah, bitter time in the middle, trying

434
00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,399
Speaker 3: to get some rhythm. Yeah, nothing quite beats time in

435
00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,359
Speaker 3: the middle. So yeah, really proud I got that and

436
00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:13,360
Speaker 3: hopefully that translates.

437
00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,359
Speaker 1: We were a little bit surprised at the Michael Nicea

438
00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,720
Speaker 1: dismissal looked a little bit high to us on the NEME.

439
00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:20,200
Speaker 1: How did you feel about that decision?

440
00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I feel a bit nervous with it, Like

441
00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:27,520
Speaker 3: with my own opinions. I think, yeah, I'd probably throw

442
00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:32,480
Speaker 3: the other guys under the bus they reckon. It was high,

443
00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:33,400
Speaker 3: that's all I'll say.

444
00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, other people were saying to you that, yes.

445
00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,560
Speaker 3: And even the queen standers were so yeah, that's probably

446
00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,920
Speaker 3: an indication their words.

447
00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,840
Speaker 2: You're you're the incumbent Test number three in this team.

448
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,840
Speaker 2: Have you got an indication of whether that might change

449
00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:49,399
Speaker 2: this week?

450
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,440
Speaker 3: No, no indication yet. I think their big meeting might

451
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,359
Speaker 3: have been last night, so maybe find out later today.

452
00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,640
Speaker 3: Which way it goes, I think, Yeah, there's no right way.

453
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,160
Speaker 3: I think both ways the right way. So however way

454
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,679
Speaker 3: they go about the team, So yeah, sure, stressing.

455
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:09,520
Speaker 2: I don't want to put you in a tricky spot there,

456
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,400
Speaker 2: but like just you know, thinking generally about batting three,

457
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:16,040
Speaker 2: like you did it in really tough circumstances, right that

458
00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 2: Test Championship final and then you know we're watching at

459
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,440
Speaker 2: home on those Caribbean wickets. Yeah, they looked really hard

460
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,680
Speaker 2: to bat number three. But by the time you got

461
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,680
Speaker 2: to the end of that series, like you were doing

462
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,000
Speaker 2: it pretty well. Camp tell us about that journey.

463
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously first time in my career batting three. Yeah,

464
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:39,159
Speaker 3: I always loved the challenge. Was really Yeah, grateful to

465
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 3: be back in the team for the World Test champion

466
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:46,160
Speaker 3: game didn't quite go how I planned it, but yeah,

467
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 3: it was obviously nice just to get it out of

468
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,119
Speaker 3: the way and then working a few things, find a

469
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 3: few things that did work at three and then have

470
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:58,440
Speaker 3: a bit of success by the end. Yeah. The scoreboard, Yeah,

471
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,640
Speaker 3: if you look through it probably does look that way.

472
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 3: But like you said, the wickets were that tough that Yeah,

473
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,199
Speaker 3: getting a forty or a fifty was pretty amazing. So

474
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 3: definitely positives to take out of it.

475
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,359
Speaker 2: What were the things that helped you? Yeah, as you said,

476
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 2: forty was you know, I'm watching on my couch back

477
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,359
Speaker 2: at home. I'm like that, it feels like one hundred

478
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,880
Speaker 2: and forty. What were the things? Fortunately, it's not that

479
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 2: well when the other things getting bold out for twenty

480
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 2: nine or whatever it probably is. But yeah, what were

481
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 2: the things can that kind of helped helped unlock that

482
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:26,920
Speaker 2: run of form?

483
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was just being able to leave

484
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 3: the ball I think was the best thing to do

485
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,879
Speaker 3: over there. I think because it was going sideways up

486
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 3: and down, trying to keep the percentages percentages as best

487
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 3: in your favor as possible, and I found the best

488
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 3: way it was probably just to play literally balls that

489
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 3: were on your pads or keep it as compact as possible.

490
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 3: I think. Yeah, trying to expand your game was just

491
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 3: so tough over there that the percentages of being able

492
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 3: to hit the ball was so low, so being able

493
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 3: to leave the ball was probably your best bet and

494
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 3: try and nick and nudge you way around to get

495
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 3: to forty. Just yeah, try and battle through it. So yeah,

496
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 3: that was definitely a way that worked there, and it

497
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 3: may be a different way you might have to go

498
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 3: about it on a flatter wicket.

499
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 1: I've got the numbers here from the Jamaica Test. There

500
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 1: are only three scores over thirty seven for the whole match,

501
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 1: Steve Smith and you twice, so that's a good sign.

502
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 1: My question is how different is batting three to four

503
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 1: Because you've done four a lot and you just said

504
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 1: you've only just started at three. To a layman, it

505
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like a big difference, But is there a

506
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: big difference?

507
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh you could always be in their third ball

508
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 3: if you're batting four. But yeah, the percentages are being

509
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 3: probably in the first ten overs are a lot higher

510
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 3: betting at three. Sure, I'd say that's probably the biggest

511
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 3: difference between them both, is that, Yeah, hopefully, yeah, the

512
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 3: top three can get through the first ten to twenty

513
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 3: overs and then you can, yeah, probably play your game

514
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 3: a bit more naturally straight away at number four. So yeah,

515
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 3: that's maybe the The biggest difference is that, Yeah, the

516
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 3: percentages are batting in the first tenovers are lower.

517
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,880
Speaker 2: Say, and it's interesting you're talking about your success in

518
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 2: test cricket comes from not hitting the ball. Your success

519
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 2: in white ball cricket is obviously you're not You're not

520
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 2: leaving too many deliveries at all. Yeah, you've been going

521
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 2: beautifully in that format since you've sorry in both those formats,

522
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 2: since you've come back. Well, I know you've spoken in

523
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 2: the past about finding it hard to separate between the

524
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 2: two formats. Has that gotten easier?

525
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's just over time, you start to

526
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 3: learn your game more. I think, yeah, you work through

527
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 3: all the theories in your own head that that may work. Yeah,

528
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 3: whether that's batting on middle leg, off coming outside your crease, Yeah,

529
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,400
Speaker 3: you want to plan the back for or front foot.

530
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 3: I think you work through so many different combinations to

531
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 3: see what works. And I think, yeah, the older you get,

532
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 3: the more that you put into the hours into those

533
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 3: sort of theories and trying different ways and finding what works.

534
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 3: So yeah, I felt like I've I've found a way

535
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 3: in white booll cricket that really works, makes you feel

536
00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 3: really powerful and dominant. It's just, yeah, finding a right

537
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 3: balance in red bull cricket. Yeah, because the ball behaves completely.

538
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 2: Different and you feel like you can kind of adjust

539
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 2: from one thing to another, because I reckon, I spoke

540
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 2: to you a couple of years ago, and you really

541
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 2: love that long leading into Test series in particular to

542
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 2: kind of almost get the white ball stuff out of here.

543
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I still feel like it's very similar. I

544
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 3: think there's guys like Travis Head that that do play

545
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 3: very similar games. I think, yeah, he loves just hitting

546
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 3: the ball and that works really well opening the batting

547
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 3: in white bull cricket. So yeah, I still feel like

548
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 3: there's a slight difference in how I play and how

549
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 3: I play my best cricket in red bull cricket is

550
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 3: reasonably different to how I play my best ball best

551
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 3: cricket in white ball cricket. So yeah, I don't feel like, yeah,

552
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 3: what it is a bigger adjustment compared to someone like

553
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 3: Travis se bats very similar. But yes, maybe I do

554
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 3: need of those few extra games to feel quite right

555
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 3: in those formats.

556
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,679
Speaker 1: That fifty seven ball hundred in Mackay that was breathtaking

557
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: to watch. It must have felt like everything went right

558
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: that day, because I mean it does help when you

559
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: come in at nine for two fifty or one for

560
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: two to fifty. But everything just clicked for your dinner

561
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: that day.

562
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that was a great day. I think. Yeah,

563
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 3: your expectations are quite low. You're trying to work out

564
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 3: how to go about it. I think, Yeah, the beauty

565
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 3: from the first two one days that are up there

566
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 3: to the third one is that you didn't have time

567
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 3: to really get yourself in. You just had to go

568
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,239
Speaker 3: from ball one and that definitely doesn't pay off all

569
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 3: the time. But yeah, one of those days.

570
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: I also loved seeing you turn down the single as well.

571
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 1: Do You were targeting Ruth the Sami the spinner and

572
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: it paid off as well because you hit a couple

573
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: of big sixers off him. And maybe we'll see a

574
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: bit more of that from you in the white or future.

575
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. I think it's been mentioned quite a bit,

576
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 3: but I think we've we definitely mentioned it in the

577
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 3: West Indies in the T twenty tour about what you

578
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 3: do when, Yeah, when you feel like you're on top

579
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 3: of the bowler, Yeah, do you take your your single

580
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 3: in good luck the other guy? Or do you go no?

581
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 3: I actually really think I can take him for twenty

582
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 3: because yeah, the bowler is really happy when you get

583
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 3: off strike, so what happens if you say no? So yeah,

584
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 3: puts a little bit extra pressure on the batter, but

585
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 3: if if you're feeling so good, you might as well

586
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 3: take it. So yeah, Tim David did it in the

587
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 3: West Indies. He may have done it in Darwin, so

588
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 3: he's kind of Yeah, he's the bravest one of all

589
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 3: to do it for the first time. And yeah it

590
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 3: was nice that it paid off.

591
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 2: I love it. Yeah, and Tim was doing it with

592
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 2: Mitch Owen down the other end. I think you were

593
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: doing it with Alex Carey down the other end like that.

594
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,959
Speaker 2: Just yeah, how does that kind of thing go? Like

595
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 2: you having the confidence to say no, Alex, I've got

596
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 2: this guy mate.

597
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, that's nothing on Alex as sure, it

598
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 3: was more. Yeah, there was maybe a bit of a

599
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 3: breeze going towards one end where Alex is obviously him

600
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 3: towards a longer boundary. So yeah, if it was Mitch Owen,

601
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 3: another right hander, I might have said, yeah, we'll take

602
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 3: them one. Yeah.

603
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 2: If Tim David's at the other end, is there any

604
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 2: situation that he'd got tim.

605
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 3: I reckon, yeah, probably not.

606
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean puts pressure on the batter, but

607
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: I reckon also put press on the bowler, thinking, hang

608
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: on a second, this guy knows he can get after me.

609
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: So there's definitely a double edged thought of that tactic

610
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: as well. One.

611
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, as a bowler, you're pretty rattled there.

612
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 3: You're going, oh my god, Like I felt reasonably okay,

613
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,719
Speaker 3: but now, oh my god, he thinks he can get me.

614
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 3: So yeah, for sure.

615
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 2: How much fun staying on white ball cricket for a

616
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 2: bit because you do have the Tea Tony World Cup

617
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 2: on it, that's not what you're thinking about this week,

618
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 2: But you know, beyond that, it's been a real shift

619
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 2: with this team in the way you guys are attacking

620
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 2: it from a batting perspective. Yeah, have you Have you

621
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 2: enjoyed that? How do you see yourself fitting into that?

622
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think we've had a lot of fun the

623
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 3: last yeah, three or four months especially, I think, Yeah,

624
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 3: I think it's the new guys that have come in,

625
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 3: I think Mitchell and coming in and trying to launch

626
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 3: the ball from ball one. It's made the older guys go,

627
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 3: oh wow, like maybe we should do the same. I think, Yeah,

628
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 3: Tim David going up the order being so aggressive. Obviously,

629
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 3: our top three in Heady Bison in Ingo set that

630
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 3: tone and I kind of felt like I was in

631
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 3: the middle there. I was like, Oh, well, they're going hard.

632
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 3: The guys blow me going hard. I guess I have

633
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 3: to do so. I guess I just got to block

634
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 3: a back. Yeah, on the anchor, No, certainly, I think

635
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 3: we've Yeah. I think if you're being so aggressive and attacking,

636
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,479
Speaker 3: you don't really need that anchor. I think you you're

637
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 3: playing your best cricket when you're looking to score. So yeah,

638
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 3: it's not always going to pay off. But yeah, I've

639
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 3: really liked the Yeah, the team that we put together. Yeah,

640
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 3: it looks strong, powerful, exciting and is working at the moment.

641
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 3: So wait and see what happens.

642
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: It's okay, iful we go back to the ashes.

643
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'll commit it. Yeah. I just had a question.

644
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: I wanted to know about the bowlers that they're going

645
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: to be bringing at you guys this series.

646
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 2: Obviously you've faced a bit of Mark Wood.

647
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: Maybe not Joff for Archer, maybe not these other guys

648
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: like Atkinson and Cass. Have you seen much of these

649
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: guys in person or has it mainly been the vision

650
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: that you've been watching.

651
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think yeah. Luckily enough, I've been playing for

652
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 3: long enough to have faced the majority of them before.

653
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 3: I think it was a White Bull tour in England

654
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 3: when I faced Geoff i Reckon for the first time. Yeah.

655
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 3: I played with him at Mumbai, but I definitely didn't

656
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 3: face him in the nets, so yeah, but I've spent

657
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 3: enough time around him. He's lovely guy. Yeah, cast I

658
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 3: faced him in that same White Bull tour. Yet to

659
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 3: face Atkinson, but then obviously I faced Mirk would have

660
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 3: quite a bit. So yeah. I think that's the beauty

661
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 3: of being around for a while that you do get

662
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 3: the chance to face these guys and not really as

663
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 3: required to watch the footage as I was probably was

664
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 3: a few years ago.

665
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: And well, you've mentioned a couple of times maybe Owen

666
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: being a younger guy and you've been around a few years,

667
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: are you starting to feel like a bit of a

668
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: senor orblished member of this side.

669
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 3: Oh it feels slightly weird to talk that way. I

670
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 3: think I'm still the youngest by five years and this

671
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 3: in this Ashes team.

672
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 2: So as has been pointed out, yeah, yeah.

673
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 3: I think it's been the same case in the last

674
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 3: five years, so it was nice having same conscious there

675
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 3: all those joking questions about do you know this rock

676
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 3: band from the two thousands? I can pass this on

677
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 3: to it and say, Sammy, do you know that was

678
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 3: when I knew I didn't know it? So yeah, I

679
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 3: don't want to space.

680
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 2: It's an interesting one for you as well, like thinking

681
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 2: about your spot and the team, Like whenever you come back,

682
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 2: you know, you might be batting in a new position

683
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 2: and you're now you're coming back to bowling, and it

684
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 2: always feels like there's another kind of layer coming on

685
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 2: top four you can like, do you kind of hope

686
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: that this ASHES series can be the start of something

687
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: where you get a settled spot wherever it is and

688
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 2: you can just get a run of bowling too.

689
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, good point, Like I feel like I have moved

690
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 3: around a lot, but I've always kind of felt very

691
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 3: settled in the team regardless of where I was playing.

692
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's a credit to the coaching staff that, yeah,

693
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 3: that can feel like there's continuity when there's not. But yeah,

694
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 3: you don't want to talk too much before a series.

695
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 2: Anything can happen, so I remember you spoke a little

696
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 2: bit about Shane Watson as well, about him potentially be

697
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 2: someone you looked at, especially when you when you were

698
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 2: adding three. Is he someone you've kind of reached out

699
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 2: to or is there anyone else?

700
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 3: Certainly I've had conversations with him in the past, especially

701
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 3: I think when I was starting. He was definitely someone

702
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 3: who reached out really early, so that was awesome. Yeah,

703
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 3: I feel like it's a bit of a journey that

704
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,959
Speaker 3: I've taken on myself. There's been guys like Mitch Marshall

705
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 3: have been around which have been awesome, but I wouldn't

706
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 3: necessarily had convoys to work out what they were doing

707
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 3: to try and copy them. I think, Yeah, I've obviously

708
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 3: started really young, so I had the luxury of being

709
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 3: able to take the time to learn my own craft.

710
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 3: So yeah, probably not there. Yeah, you want to get

711
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 3: the introduction of field cricket for for five ten years

712
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 3: to really learn your craft. I've kind of had to

713
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 3: do it in the international stage. But yeah, I feel

714
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 3: like they're still improvement to come.

715
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 2: And just kind of to be clear, like with your

716
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 2: bowling now, I do you kind of feel like you're

717
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 2: ready to go? You can bowl as many overs and

718
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: I know you've only probably bowled more than fifteen overs

719
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 2: in a Test a few times, but do you feel

720
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: like you can give you all with the ball with

721
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 2: your back?

722
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, certainly, I think. Yeah, I probably haven't had the

723
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 3: competitive overs in a game that I would have liked

724
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 3: coming into this series. But I think the double edged

725
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 3: sword is that you come in really fresh. I think, yeah,

726
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 3: five Test match series versus England is it's going to

727
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 3: take a lot out of you. And if you're already

728
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 3: coming in a bit tired, you're going to be exhausted

729
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 3: by the end. So yeah, that's of a See. The

730
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 3: beauty of coming in so fresh is that you can, yeah,

731
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 3: not necessarily to take your time, but hopefully by the

732
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 3: back end I'm still going really well, where if I

733
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 3: went a bit too hard with a few shield games,

734
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 3: I might not be so. Yeah, you probably prioritize the

735
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 3: ashes over anything before.

736
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: In the comeback from such a significant surgery. Was there

737
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: a bit of a confidence factor as well that you

738
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: have to overcome at the start when you're hitting the

739
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: crease as hard as you can, Like how much of

740
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: a mental thing is it as well?

741
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 3: I think, if anything, it was a bonus. I think

742
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 3: I've got the courage that it will be fine. I

743
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 3: think that's maybe a little bit too naive, but yeah,

744
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 3: we've got a bit of metal in your back here.

745
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 3: You hope that doesn't break quite as easy as bone.

746
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 3: So yeah, if anything, it's a bit of a confidence

747
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 3: boost if anything. But at the same time you've got

748
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 3: to be quite careful because if you do it again,

749
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 3: what's the next step. So yes, had a lot of success.

750
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 3: I want to take that for granted, so it's still

751
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 3: still being smart. But if anything, i'd say, yeah, probably

752
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 3: confidence boast.

753
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: But I mean it's been obviously so positive so far.

754
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 1: Have you reached out someone like Lance Morris who's gone

755
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: through a similar thing now and it's been a teammate

756
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: of yours for a long time.

757
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, certainly, or if anything, I think he reached out

758
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 3: just to get a bit of clarity, and being such

759
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 3: a close mate, I think it really helped his decision. Yeah,

760
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 3: he's a guy that probably doesn't like taking too many risks,

761
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 3: but to have a good mate that's gone through it,

762
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 3: it gave him a lot of confidence to go down

763
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 3: that path. And yeah, I certainly think it was the

764
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 3: right choice for him. I think he's yeah, unluckily. Yeah,

765
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,959
Speaker 3: the last few years a bit yeah hit and miss

766
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 3: for him. So yeah, it's a bit of a yeah,

767
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 3: bite the bullet now and be way better for it,

768
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 3: which is exciting.

769
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 2: All suggestions that it went well for him as well.

770
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 3: Yeah really well no, exactly like me. I think two

771
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,919
Speaker 3: weeks after surgery walking around doing everything. So yeah, really

772
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 3: positive science.

773
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 2: Now, the one thing we haven't touched on before we

774
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 2: let you go is you fielding? And I've got a

775
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 2: theory and I want you to hear it out Cam

776
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 2: if you and bow websterit are playing in the same team.

777
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 2: We hope that happens at some point in this ashes Again,

778
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 2: do you need three slips? Like, if it's just you

779
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 2: and him at one and two, can you two be

780
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: three people in slips court? Well?

781
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:29,720
Speaker 3: I think so. I think we're wasting too certainly. I think, yeah,

782
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 3: Bo can be two and a half and I can

783
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 3: be Gully and that's all you need.

784
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 2: I love it, so yeah, I love it. It's genuinely

785
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 2: amazing to see the two of you in there, Like,

786
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 2: does it do you have to like stand in a

787
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 2: different spot at Gully when he's the one next to here, I.

788
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 3: Could probably go a bit wider. That's probably a good point.

789
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 3: I might take that on nah, but it's a weird feeling.

790
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 3: I look across and someone's taller than me normally, just

791
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,919
Speaker 3: like I'm just ready to look down and that's only

792
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 3: half in. So yeah, I take that. Had that feedback on.

793
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: I remember you saying it started a test career that

794
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: you hadn't even fielded in gully before. You're sort of

795
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: in this test team. Do you have any interest in

796
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: moving close to the keeper getting to that slip score?

797
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 2: I'm not You're happy in the gully there?

798
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 3: Oh, certainly. I think when I first started I didn't

799
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 3: like it really, and then it's probably during the County

800
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 3: stint that I had I think, yeah, very first game,

801
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 3: I was like, I've had enough a gully. I'm going

802
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 3: to just I think they needed a first slip, so

803
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, I'm going to go first slip

804
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 3: for them. In first game, I think Zach Crawley nicked

805
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 3: one to me and it just wabbled at me, and

806
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 3: I was like, no, I'll go back to gully where

807
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 3: I hope he doesn't wobble at me, hoping it's a

808
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 3: hard cut shop that doesn't swing. Yeah, I think I

809
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 3: prefer that over that wobbles. Stick to it.

810
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 2: You know, what did you not like about the gully?

811
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: And how have you gotten because I imagine it's kind

812
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 2: of you've been unsided in there. Is that what you've

813
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 2: had trouble with at first?

814
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 3: Yeah? Initially? Yeah, I think yeah, when you're in the slips,

815
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 3: you get it, get a good look at it. It

816
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 3: comes to the Yeah, normally consistent, just a really good

817
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 3: view of the ball. And I think it was three.

818
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 3: Everyone's saying how bad gully. I'm like, yeah, I guess so.

819
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 3: And what's better than short leg? Certainly? Yeah, but now

820
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 3: I've come to appreciate it. Yeah, that warbles give me nightmare,

821
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 3: so I'll stilly.

822
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: And you've taken some screamers in there. Any favorites that

823
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 1: stick out from your five years of Test cricket so far?

824
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, or probably the Rahana with a World Test Championship,

825
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, the whole situation of the game previously

826
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 3: dropping it a dolly in the gully off Paddy, so

827
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 3: I needed to make up for that and I think

828
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 3: I did, which is nice.

829
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 2: That was one you took on the half dollie, right,

830
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 2: that was later. Oh that was a different character. Yeah, yeah, right, yeah,

831
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 2: your favorite one.

832
00:38:58,640 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: As soon as we touched on off the top. We

833
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: we are here at Perth Stadium, your home ground. You're

834
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: averaging forty two in Melbourne, averaging forty one in Sydney.

835
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: You must have a pretty good test average here.

836
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 3: Right, Well, I don't think I've played a game here

837
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 3: in a test match. I definite haven't battered, So what's

838
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 3: the infinite I guess it's a strange.

839
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it must be looking forward to getting out there

840
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: because you've would have played.

841
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 2: A bit for the scorches here, have you all?

842
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, very early doors Okay, yeah, no, it'd be the

843
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 3: first time really in a very long time I've played

844
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 3: a rebel game or battered in a rebel game here.

845
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 3: So yeah, hoping it's very similar to it across the river.

846
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 2: Very good, all the best, mate, We look forward to you.

847
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 2: I know you have played the test here, you just

848
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 2: didn't get a bat in it because was when the

849
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 2: wickets were flat and you couldn't get a game, couldn't

850
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 2: get it go down at number six.

851
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 3: Well, if that happens again, I'll be pretty huck going

852
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 3: pretty well.

853
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 2: Thanks mate, Thanks your time

854
00:39:49,400 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 3: Awesome cheers, I got