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Speaker 1: Now we know that obviously the government made that announcement yesterday.

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Speaker 1: their seven years in power. The Independent member Ferara lun

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Speaker 1: joins me on the line right now, Hi, Robin, good

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Speaker 1: morning Katie. Now, Robin, did you hear the Chief Minister

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Speaker 2: I did hear the Chief Minister and what struck me

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Speaker 2: is that this woman is under extraordinary pressure. She's been

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Speaker 2: she can talk about is bringing in scanners, which pretty

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Speaker 2: much exist in every supermarket and shop in the CBD

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Speaker 2: of Darwin and Alice Springs, and she's including machetes and

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Speaker 2: axes control weapons. That's the extent of her response to

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Speaker 2: our crime crisis right across the Northern Territory. It just

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Speaker 2: doesn't cut it, Katie, and people will no doubt be

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Speaker 1: That's certainly what we're hearing on the tech Line this morning.

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Speaker 1: People are disappointed, and you know, they're disappointed that other

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Speaker 1: weapons are not included. And I understand that obviously this

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Speaker 1: review has taken place. I've read through it. I get

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Speaker 1: that there are lots of different factors at play. But

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Speaker 1: numbers are so low of those that are reoffending while

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Speaker 2: Well, Katie, I don't buy that. I think that the

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Speaker 2: numbers are not so low. When you read the report,

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Speaker 2: what they say is essentially nine out of ten serious

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Speaker 2: offenders on bail don't go on to reoffend, committing serious

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Speaker 2: crimes whilst they're on bail. But if you flip that around, Katie,

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Speaker 2: what that's saying is that one in ten do serious

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Speaker 2: And there lies the problem. One in every ten serious

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Speaker 2: for seven years. They relaxed the laws around bail. In

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Speaker 2: I'm particularly in Central Australia, and now you're feeling it

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Speaker 2: know what to do. They're confused, they're muddled and they're conflicted,

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Speaker 2: and they put together this task force in March Katie,

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Speaker 2: which I was surprised to read yesterday. I really didn't

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Speaker 2: know who the task force consisted of. But the task

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Speaker 2: You don't really get an entirely independent set of recommendations

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Speaker 2: and this very minimal approach or set of strategies that

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Speaker 2: That's the issue Cave and Robert.

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Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting then, the way that you've

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Speaker 2: It's beyond comprehension, absolutely, and the fact that we're even

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Speaker 2: the reality is, Katie, they are now bringing in scanning,

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Speaker 2: This mandy panty explanation of how these wands are going

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Speaker 2: They will be racially profiling people, Aboriginal people, trying to

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Speaker 2: once again they're not being honest about, they're not being

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Speaker 2: frank about. Just put it on the table. Territorians know

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Speaker 2: because someone's got a knife on them, probably inappropriately, if

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Speaker 2: You know people carry pen knives, don't they. I mean

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Speaker 2: they used to be very common place in my generation. Anyway. Yes, Look,

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Speaker 2: I just feel like the government tiptoeing around trying to

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Speaker 1: Robin, what do you think they should have done. What

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Speaker 2: Well, the most obvious thing is to close that gap.

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Speaker 2: If one in ten serious offenders on bail are offending

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Speaker 2: And that was the most obvious thing they needed to do,

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Speaker 2: So they are expanding our prison system. They know they

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Speaker 2: to close this gap in allowing serious criminals to get

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Speaker 2: out on bail. It's just a nonsense, okay, Robin.

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Speaker 1: You know, while the community is screaming out for change,

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Speaker 2: No, I don't. I think the Chief Minister is a

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Speaker 2: She is trying to appease the groups in the community

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Speaker 2: These small factional groups will bring this government down. The

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Speaker 2: they have presided over such a monumental increase in crime

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Speaker 2: They're trying to look like they care about Aboriginal kids.

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Speaker 2: But the bottom line is if you can't keep the

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Speaker 1: Robin, before I let you go, you know, obviously we've

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Speaker 1: Kate Warden, Robin, what do you think has happened here?

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Speaker 2: I think the Deputy Commissioner Mark or Page was probably

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Speaker 2: and look, it just discredits them, Katie. What they said

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Speaker 2: it's clear that what they said was simply not true. Now,

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Speaker 2: I think this is an integrity issue. It's an issue

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Speaker 2: to about crime stats by the Minister bia senior executive

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Speaker 2: and Katie, to me, it just says it's time to

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Speaker 1: Well, Robin Lambley, Parliament obviously resuming today, I know that

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Speaker 2: Well fighting the fight for Alice Springs always, but today's

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Speaker 2: quite an incredible day, Katie. I mean they've bought this

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Speaker 2: this legislation through. They're bringing it through an urgency this

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Speaker 2: morning to bring in the use of scanners to check

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Speaker 2: for knives and weapons, which is just totally bizarre. It's

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Speaker 2: just like a smoke screen. You just think of all

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Speaker 2: the things that they could have been debating or or

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Speaker 2: legislation bringing being brought forward today. They've gone for this

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Speaker 2: rather obscure sort of mechanism that breached you.

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Speaker 1: Have they breached you?

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Speaker 2: They said, they said, Katie, we will brief you at

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Speaker 2: one o'clock. This is yesterday and I had a full day.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't make the one o'clock appointment. And I said, well,

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Speaker 2: I'm available after four and I'm available basically from five

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Speaker 2: a m. In the sport. But that wasn't convenient. So no,

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Speaker 2: I haven't been breached because they said it's one o'clock

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Speaker 2: or nothing. I haven't seen the legislation. I haven't been breached.

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Speaker 2: And this is what they do, Katie. This is what

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Speaker 2: this Parliament has stooped to. You've got legislation incidental rip

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Speaker 2: not that important legislation in the scheme of things being

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Speaker 2: pushed through so the government can say that they've done

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Speaker 2: something to address crime throughout the Northern territory. It's a

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Speaker 2: smoke screen. It's insince here and it's really bad form.

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Speaker 1: Well, Robin Ladley, Well, always appreciate your time. We will

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Speaker 1: talk to you again very soon, no doubt. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for having a chat with us today.

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Speaker 2: My pleasure, Katie.

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Speaker 1: Thank you