1 00:00:10,669 --> 00:00:14,869 Speaker 1: My hard podcasts, hear more kids podcasts, playlists, and listen 2 00:00:14,909 --> 00:00:16,508 Speaker 1: live on the free I Hard app. 3 00:00:17,389 --> 00:00:19,509 Speaker 2: Hates Willam morning. It is a Thursday. I hope you 4 00:00:19,549 --> 00:00:21,508 Speaker 2: have had a great drive home. If you are. 5 00:00:21,789 --> 00:00:22,749 Speaker 3: If you need to. 6 00:00:22,669 --> 00:00:24,868 Speaker 2: Get yourself together really, then look no further than the 7 00:00:24,948 --> 00:00:26,909 Speaker 2: Kick apt. They've got a new strength trainer on there 8 00:00:26,989 --> 00:00:29,309 Speaker 2: at the moment Steph and Laura. So find out more 9 00:00:29,309 --> 00:00:31,229 Speaker 2: about Kick's new strength trainer on the Kick app. We've 10 00:00:31,269 --> 00:00:34,509 Speaker 2: got Laura Henshaw in the studio right now. So, Laura, 11 00:00:34,709 --> 00:00:38,508 Speaker 2: we are talking about this Chris Griffin podcast that you've. 12 00:00:38,309 --> 00:00:40,829 Speaker 3: Been You're such a like. 13 00:00:41,429 --> 00:00:43,028 Speaker 2: I found it interesting when the girls in our team 14 00:00:43,028 --> 00:00:45,989 Speaker 2: were telling me that you'd been quite vociferous about this. 15 00:00:46,188 --> 00:00:46,268 Speaker 4: Like. 16 00:00:46,388 --> 00:00:49,028 Speaker 2: I found that interesting because anyone that knows you personally 17 00:00:49,108 --> 00:00:52,629 Speaker 2: like you're You're a lovely person, Laura, Like, it's very hard. 18 00:00:52,429 --> 00:00:54,029 Speaker 3: To get you rolled up like at all. 19 00:00:54,109 --> 00:00:56,228 Speaker 2: So like, if either you're upset about this said to 20 00:00:56,269 --> 00:00:59,549 Speaker 2: me immediately, I was like, there's gotta be something slightly 21 00:00:59,589 --> 00:01:00,069 Speaker 2: wrong with this. 22 00:01:00,229 --> 00:01:01,869 Speaker 3: Here's just a little bit about what this guy was saying. 23 00:01:02,269 --> 00:01:04,189 Speaker 4: This is why I heavily encourage hot girl Walks. I 24 00:01:04,188 --> 00:01:05,869 Speaker 4: would love my partner to go on a hot girl 25 00:01:05,909 --> 00:01:08,149 Speaker 4: walk with her friends every day, or she gets this 26 00:01:08,269 --> 00:01:10,109 Speaker 4: femin and they get to have a bit of excitement 27 00:01:10,149 --> 00:01:12,309 Speaker 4: about their day. I don't think a girl needs to 28 00:01:12,349 --> 00:01:15,429 Speaker 4: go through challenge, pain and hardship to be an amazing girl. 29 00:01:15,589 --> 00:01:17,669 Speaker 4: I think she can fill her days with passion filled 30 00:01:17,709 --> 00:01:19,149 Speaker 4: things and still be amazing. 31 00:01:19,589 --> 00:01:21,349 Speaker 2: Do you think that this sort of language is something 32 00:01:21,349 --> 00:01:24,989 Speaker 2: that's catching on and affecting people like actually? 33 00:01:25,069 --> 00:01:27,069 Speaker 3: And do you think that it's changeable? 34 00:01:27,269 --> 00:01:29,269 Speaker 5: The researcher came out that this type of content is 35 00:01:29,309 --> 00:01:33,229 Speaker 5: actually within mainstream. Now that's obviously really really scary. But 36 00:01:33,389 --> 00:01:35,069 Speaker 5: the other thing that came out that if you do 37 00:01:35,189 --> 00:01:39,269 Speaker 5: consume this type of content, it can impact a male's 38 00:01:39,349 --> 00:01:41,949 Speaker 5: view on a woman in a way that she can 39 00:01:41,989 --> 00:01:46,069 Speaker 5: be inferior. And obviously that is incredibly problematic if those 40 00:01:46,149 --> 00:01:49,389 Speaker 5: kind of belief systems are being instilled in a piece 41 00:01:49,429 --> 00:01:51,989 Speaker 5: of research. I believe it was from E sixty one 42 00:01:52,109 --> 00:01:57,269 Speaker 5: Institute gen z Men. They believe in gender roles more 43 00:01:57,349 --> 00:02:00,629 Speaker 5: than the older generation. Wow, which is insane. 44 00:02:00,869 --> 00:02:03,389 Speaker 1: That really does feel like it's flips like it's only 45 00:02:03,389 --> 00:02:05,709 Speaker 1: taking a few generations for it to go back. 46 00:02:05,789 --> 00:02:08,629 Speaker 3: The other what do you think was the turning point there, Laura. 47 00:02:08,709 --> 00:02:11,029 Speaker 1: So it feels like in my head, you always when 48 00:02:11,029 --> 00:02:14,149 Speaker 1: you're talking about you know, toxic masculinity and stuff, that's 49 00:02:14,189 --> 00:02:16,469 Speaker 1: the older generation. What has happened for that to go 50 00:02:16,629 --> 00:02:17,429 Speaker 1: back the other way? 51 00:02:17,669 --> 00:02:19,909 Speaker 5: I think the biggest thing is because this content has 52 00:02:19,949 --> 00:02:22,989 Speaker 5: come into mainstream and men are making a lot of 53 00:02:23,029 --> 00:02:25,229 Speaker 5: money from it, and the thing that's really scary is 54 00:02:25,389 --> 00:02:27,309 Speaker 5: very ready to go on someone's page, and every single 55 00:02:27,309 --> 00:02:30,709 Speaker 5: piece of content is misogynistic. But it's the fitness content. 56 00:02:31,029 --> 00:02:34,029 Speaker 5: It's the you know, discipline for it, like go go, go, 57 00:02:34,109 --> 00:02:36,989 Speaker 5: punish yourself. Don't that you have to otherwise you're weak. 58 00:02:37,269 --> 00:02:39,989 Speaker 5: And then also make money quick or this is how 59 00:02:39,989 --> 00:02:42,749 Speaker 5: you make money kind of content. That's what it's kind 60 00:02:42,749 --> 00:02:44,709 Speaker 5: of surrounded by, which you can understand that that can 61 00:02:44,709 --> 00:02:46,989 Speaker 5: be appealing to people. They see it, they start following, 62 00:02:47,069 --> 00:02:49,349 Speaker 5: and then their beliefs actually impact. 63 00:02:49,669 --> 00:02:52,029 Speaker 2: One of the women down in just down on the 64 00:02:52,069 --> 00:02:54,749 Speaker 2: floor was showing me something on Instagram the other day 65 00:02:54,749 --> 00:02:58,229 Speaker 2: that she follows called Hinge bios. So it's like screenshots 66 00:02:58,269 --> 00:03:00,829 Speaker 2: of guys bios on Hinge hilarious. I asked if it 67 00:03:00,869 --> 00:03:03,309 Speaker 2: was a joke one of them like the tagline like 68 00:03:03,389 --> 00:03:06,269 Speaker 2: under his name was I don't think you should be 69 00:03:06,349 --> 00:03:08,909 Speaker 2: able to have a child if you can't control. 70 00:03:08,509 --> 00:03:11,069 Speaker 3: What you put into your body every day. That was 71 00:03:11,109 --> 00:03:13,228 Speaker 3: his bit. That was it, and just a photo of 72 00:03:13,309 --> 00:03:14,909 Speaker 3: him with his rig out. Is that the point for 73 00:03:15,109 --> 00:03:17,269 Speaker 3: like clean living was that the point was if. 74 00:03:17,149 --> 00:03:19,788 Speaker 2: You can't diet properly to keep wade off, I don't 75 00:03:19,829 --> 00:03:22,229 Speaker 2: think you should be able to have a kid. Oh 76 00:03:22,269 --> 00:03:24,589 Speaker 2: that was the bit. And I was like, what is 77 00:03:24,589 --> 00:03:25,949 Speaker 2: this a joke? And she was like no, I have 78 00:03:25,949 --> 00:03:27,829 Speaker 2: a look and show you another one again. The tag 79 00:03:27,869 --> 00:03:29,829 Speaker 2: one in his profile was just I will make you 80 00:03:29,869 --> 00:03:30,669 Speaker 2: feel insecure. 81 00:03:30,869 --> 00:03:33,349 Speaker 1: And there's only dating at where he's trying to attract women. 82 00:03:33,629 --> 00:03:38,309 Speaker 5: And they think that that will attract women strong man. Yeah, 83 00:03:38,549 --> 00:03:39,109 Speaker 5: it's so. 84 00:03:38,989 --> 00:03:41,549 Speaker 3: Scary actually, it's only I had to have explained to me. 85 00:03:41,629 --> 00:03:42,629 Speaker 3: I was like, what's he going for? 86 00:03:42,749 --> 00:03:46,349 Speaker 1: So la other women that are believing this too now. 87 00:03:46,669 --> 00:03:50,309 Speaker 5: Yeah, so we have seen a really big rise recently 88 00:03:50,349 --> 00:03:54,269 Speaker 5: and kind of the trad wives traditional wife exactly. But 89 00:03:54,269 --> 00:03:57,829 Speaker 5: there's kind of now a type of social media influencer 90 00:03:57,909 --> 00:04:00,309 Speaker 5: that he's a trad wife. There are women that follow 91 00:04:00,389 --> 00:04:05,189 Speaker 5: this this type of belief system, I suppose, but it's 92 00:04:05,229 --> 00:04:06,949 Speaker 5: nothing to do with it being a stay home parent 93 00:04:06,989 --> 00:04:07,469 Speaker 5: being bad. 94 00:04:07,309 --> 00:04:09,469 Speaker 3: At it's funny to say that. I actually I'm very glad. 95 00:04:09,629 --> 00:04:12,469 Speaker 2: I think earlier, very early on, we I said seven, 96 00:04:12,509 --> 00:04:14,229 Speaker 2: I sat down with our accountant and explained that I 97 00:04:14,269 --> 00:04:16,109 Speaker 2: was going to keep working while she had Max and 98 00:04:16,109 --> 00:04:18,069 Speaker 2: looked after Max and raised her. And one of the 99 00:04:18,109 --> 00:04:19,909 Speaker 2: first things he said is he was like, all right, mate, 100 00:04:19,949 --> 00:04:22,229 Speaker 2: well you're going to be earning money. She's not going 101 00:04:22,269 --> 00:04:23,629 Speaker 2: to be earning money. So he was like, I don't 102 00:04:23,628 --> 00:04:25,509 Speaker 2: really want to strong arm you into this, but I 103 00:04:25,549 --> 00:04:27,188 Speaker 2: think you should just kind of just needed to join 104 00:04:27,229 --> 00:04:30,628 Speaker 2: everything because otherwise, you know, well, like even if like 105 00:04:30,709 --> 00:04:32,269 Speaker 2: I die or whatever, like you know, if I haven't 106 00:04:32,269 --> 00:04:34,269 Speaker 2: got impact, if I haven't got income protection or you know, 107 00:04:34,309 --> 00:04:35,709 Speaker 2: all that sort of stuff, you're gonna be leaving a 108 00:04:35,709 --> 00:04:38,029 Speaker 2: completely high and dry I don't think you should if 109 00:04:38,029 --> 00:04:39,589 Speaker 2: you listen to this, and you should, you should necessarily 110 00:04:39,629 --> 00:04:41,988 Speaker 2: blame yourself if it's not something you thought of before either. 111 00:04:42,069 --> 00:04:44,269 Speaker 2: Because the reason that a lot of this kind of 112 00:04:44,309 --> 00:04:46,389 Speaker 2: manisphere of stuff has arisen, and maybe why a lot 113 00:04:46,429 --> 00:04:48,629 Speaker 2: of the younger boys are gravitating towards it, is because 114 00:04:48,869 --> 00:04:53,829 Speaker 2: there was that move towards you know, like condemning toxic masculinity, 115 00:04:53,829 --> 00:04:55,469 Speaker 2: et cetera. But I think that, like, you know, as 116 00:04:55,469 --> 00:04:58,589 Speaker 2: can naturally happen, the left can kind of start eating itself, 117 00:04:58,949 --> 00:05:02,149 Speaker 2: where you get wrapping young boys over over the head 118 00:05:02,189 --> 00:05:04,189 Speaker 2: with a stick and being like you're not you're not 119 00:05:04,229 --> 00:05:06,748 Speaker 2: good enough, you're all toxic, and then they don't have 120 00:05:06,829 --> 00:05:07,269 Speaker 2: anyone to. 121 00:05:07,269 --> 00:05:08,989 Speaker 3: Talk to, and then there's almost like a bell. 122 00:05:08,949 --> 00:05:10,589 Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, there's a guy over 123 00:05:10,629 --> 00:05:14,029 Speaker 2: here going, hey, people making you feel alienated and redundant 124 00:05:14,149 --> 00:05:16,909 Speaker 2: and that you're sexually impotent. Hey, there's this there's this 125 00:05:16,988 --> 00:05:18,748 Speaker 2: language we're all using over here, we're all getting around 126 00:05:18,789 --> 00:05:21,269 Speaker 2: each other. So you could see the natural progression there. 127 00:05:21,349 --> 00:05:23,988 Speaker 2: So I mentioned that because if you haven't had these 128 00:05:24,029 --> 00:05:26,229 Speaker 2: thoughts to yourself about this, and you haven't thought about 129 00:05:26,589 --> 00:05:28,589 Speaker 2: your role, you know, with your partner or how you 130 00:05:28,669 --> 00:05:31,229 Speaker 2: might be able to support them, and thinking about superannuation stuff. 131 00:05:30,988 --> 00:05:33,748 Speaker 3: That's okay. Yeah, you know the best time. The best 132 00:05:33,749 --> 00:05:35,269 Speaker 3: time to plant a tree is ten years ago or 133 00:05:35,309 --> 00:05:35,709 Speaker 3: right now. 134 00:05:35,789 --> 00:05:37,909 Speaker 1: You know, I think it's just listening to it now 135 00:05:37,909 --> 00:05:40,389 Speaker 1: and going like oh and understanding it from that perspective. 136 00:05:40,469 --> 00:05:43,029 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, we're not judging you for it, and you 137 00:05:43,109 --> 00:05:44,309 Speaker 2: might have been aware of it. You might have been 138 00:05:44,309 --> 00:05:46,549 Speaker 2: caught up in this group and been like, it is 139 00:05:46,909 --> 00:05:47,949 Speaker 2: I've been talking like that. 140 00:05:48,149 --> 00:05:48,709 Speaker 3: It's awful. 141 00:05:48,749 --> 00:05:50,389 Speaker 1: This Chris guy thought he was doing the right thing. 142 00:05:50,589 --> 00:05:53,229 Speaker 1: I think it's also important to demonize this Chris Griffin guy. 143 00:05:53,629 --> 00:05:56,589 Speaker 1: I think he's he's saying that thinking I'm being a 144 00:05:56,589 --> 00:05:57,989 Speaker 1: great partner through all of this. 145 00:05:58,589 --> 00:06:03,069 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's yeah. Arguably yes, be the scariest part about 146 00:06:03,069 --> 00:06:04,868 Speaker 3: it though. Thanks so much for coming in. Thank you 147 00:06:04,909 --> 00:06:05,869 Speaker 3: really appreciate it. 148 00:06:06,549 --> 00:06:09,429 Speaker 2: Headlong to the kick app. Find out more Kick's new 149 00:06:09,429 --> 00:06:11,469 Speaker 2: strength trainer on the kick app. Go and get it 150 00:06:11,509 --> 00:06:13,749 Speaker 2: around stuff and Laura. We love getting around these guys. 151 00:06:13,789 --> 00:06:14,669 Speaker 2: There are all some thanks for coming in. 152 00:06:14,709 --> 00:06:16,389 Speaker 3: Laura, thank you so much for having me.