1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: Kakado tourism operator is calling on the federal Environment Minister 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: to do more to address side access in the popular 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: tourist park, claiming it's becoming almost impossible to organize itineries 4 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: for visitors and some places only accessible for a few 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 1: months of the year. Now, this is something that's been 6 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: raised with me previously, and Greg Taylor from Charter Northern 7 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: Kakadoo Four Wheel Drive Safaris joins me on the line. 8 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 2: Get a Greg, get a Katie here going. 9 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: Good mate, Thanks so much for your time this morning. 10 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: Now I understand welcome. You've been operating in Kackadoo for 11 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: decades and you've noticed a huge drop in visitation. Can 12 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: you talk us through some of the numbers? 13 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can, Katie. And look, I'm not alone in this. 14 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 2: There's I'm really just echoing the sentiments of other operators. 15 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: But we've had ongoing issues regarding access to sites for 16 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 2: you know, probably a couple of decades now. And look, 17 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 2: it's my estimate, even though we don't get any data 18 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 2: from Kakadou in regards to visit a numbers, but it 19 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 2: would be my estimate that you know, we're probably sitting 20 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 2: around about one hundred and sixty thousand genuine visitors to 21 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 2: the park annually now and that's you know, from nineteen 22 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 2: ninety eight we were around you know, two hundred and 23 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 2: fifty thousand, So you know, and this hasn't come about, 24 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 2: you know, by pure accident. This is this is genuinely 25 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 2: connected to how the Kakadu profile has been damaged both 26 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 2: domestically and internationally in the way that it's being rung. 27 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 2: And you know, my call out to the Minister is 28 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 2: is is it's a desperate call out again on behalf 29 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 2: of other operators because we're not seeing any action on this. 30 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 2: And so what we've got is we've got a we've 31 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 2: got a management structure that's divided between Canberra and Kakadu 32 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 2: if you like. So we've got a border management placed 33 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 2: in Kakadu that are pretty much calling the shots on 34 00:01:55,000 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 2: this and they're acting independently, whereas this is a joint 35 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 2: management structure. So we're calling on the other half of 36 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 2: that management structure through the Minister to to you know, 37 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 2: bring in some management reform to try and resolve these issues. 38 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 2: And as a tour industry, we're completely alienated from the park. 39 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 2: Kakadu doesn't Kakadu doesn't engage the tourism industry at all, 40 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: and so what we're wanting, and we've been trying for years, 41 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 2: we want to establish a partnership with kakados so that 42 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 2: we can work together on the tourism in the park. 43 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 2: We understand that, you know, and we've been told for 44 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: years tourism is not the boss of Kakadu. We accept that, 45 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 2: We understand that, but there's only a very very small 46 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 2: percentage of the park that was ever set aside for 47 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 2: tourism anyway. So we want to work with Kakadu and 48 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 2: we've been calling this this for years in growing that 49 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:54,239 Speaker 2: tourism and there's provisions within the current Tourism Management Plan 50 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 2: and also the current General Tourism Management Plan for the 51 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 2: growth and the supporting of tourism within the park, and 52 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 2: we're not seeing any of that carried out. We're not 53 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 2: seeing any results. It's quite negative from. 54 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: Your perspective, Like what is the main issue here? Is 55 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: it access? Like are you're no longer able to access 56 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: areas that you ordinarily would be able to for certain 57 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: periods of time? What's sort of deteriorated over the years. 58 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:28,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's purely access Katie. And again, you know, we're 59 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 2: not really sure how much Kakadu actually understands how tourism 60 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 2: works and the consequences of their current actions. But we've 61 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 2: lost access to key sites in the dry season for 62 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: a longer period. So I'll just give you some examples. 63 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 2: We used to get mcgook in May. We now don't 64 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 2: get mcgook until June. We used to get gim Jim 65 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 2: and Twin Falls in June or even yet probably early June. 66 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 2: We now don't get that until late June. In fact, 67 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 2: sometimes we don't even get the first week of the 68 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 2: school holiday access to Ginger and Twin Falls. And they're 69 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 2: just a couple of examples. But we're also seeing closures 70 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 2: of wet season sites as well, so sites that we 71 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 2: relied on to be able to carry our business through 72 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 2: the wet season. So yeah, it's a real site access issue. 73 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 1: And what do people like you know then, when you 74 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: have visitors arrive, And with some of these visitors, I 75 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: would imagine that they're international when they arrive and they 76 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: you know, they're maybe thinking and you you know, like 77 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: you're thinking as well at certain times that you're going 78 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: to be able to book them in to do various 79 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: different things and then some of the access changes. What 80 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,239 Speaker 1: do people say, what's their reaction? 81 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 2: Well, i'll tell you the latest reaction from a group 82 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 2: that I had out there last week. They're demanding a 83 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 2: partial refund because we rocked up at a site in 84 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 2: southern Kakadu that was clearly listed on the Kakadu Access 85 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 2: site as being open, and we got there and only 86 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 2: to be confronted by closed signs. So we drove an 87 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 2: hour and a half through the park to get to 88 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 2: this site and that was the key site for the 89 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 2: day and it was closed as opposed to how how 90 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 2: you know what it looked on the on the on 91 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 2: the access loot? 92 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: Is that pretty devastating for you? 93 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 2: Then it's hugely devastating because one of the one of 94 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 2: the big things about tourism is managing people's expectations and 95 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 2: actually building people's expectations. So it's got really difficult in that, 96 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 2: you know, we can hardly even guarantee itineries anymore. So 97 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 2: we're losing bookings as a result of that because we 98 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 2: can't guarantee what people are going to say. And what 99 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 2: we've got now is we've got a problem and this 100 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 2: is the second time this has happened to me personally 101 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 2: where I've arrived at a site that was supposedly open 102 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 2: and it's been closed. So it's a really really difficult thing. 103 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 2: And as a as a tour operator, we're being held 104 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 2: responsible because the clients really don't understand the politics behind this, 105 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 2: all the mechanisms behind this. 106 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: And Gregor, it must make you scrite your head and think, 107 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: how am I meant to run this business? 108 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 2: Well, Katie here that that's the problem that operators are facing. 109 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 2: But you know, on a on a in a broader picture, 110 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 2: this is really impacting top end tourism the Northern Territory 111 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 2: tourism our. Two key sites for Northern Territory tourism, as 112 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 2: everyone knows, is Ularu and Kakadou. Ularu at the moment 113 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 2: is a far better option because it's closer to markets 114 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 2: and it's accessible. When you look at the cost of 115 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 2: getting here and the challenges of getting into Darwin, and 116 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 2: if there's no guarantee that you're going to be able 117 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 2: to visit Kakadoo as you wish, we are losing. We 118 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 2: are losing tens of thousands of visitors into the top 119 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 2: end every year. So it's it's not just you know, 120 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 2: this micro issue for operators like ourselves, it's also for 121 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 2: locals and also you know, look there's a lot of 122 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 2: revenue that's being lost through the park. So the park, 123 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 2: you know, it's a Commonwealth reserve, it's it's almost entirely 124 00:06:55,560 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 2: reliant on taxpayer money. However, the visitation to the park 125 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 2: is supposed to generate a certain amount of revenue to 126 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 2: assist the management of the park. The park is losing 127 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 2: revenue through losings visitation. So this is a really really 128 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 2: complex issue. 129 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: So greg from your perspective, I mean, like, I guess 130 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: we're an interesting time now, given the fact that the 131 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: federal election has been called this morning, I know you 132 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: really want to see some action from the federal Environment minister. 133 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: I mean, it's really now, I guess to call out 134 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: to both sides. What do you think needs to happen here? 135 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 2: Well, I think you know, from certainly from my perspective 136 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 2: and and other operator's perspective, tourism hasn't really been given 137 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 2: much consideration over the years. You know, we used to 138 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 2: have a small amount of engagement with Kakadu, but we 139 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 2: that's pretty much been zero for decades now. So what 140 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 2: I think needs to happen is that entire management team, 141 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 2: so you know, both sides of that joint management structure 142 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 2: Environment Australia through the Minister and through the current director 143 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 2: and the border management in kakado and also you know 144 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 2: tourism stakeholders at the table as well. For tourism itself, 145 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 2: we need to discuss how we can actually improve tourism 146 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 2: in Kakadoo National Park and how we can align with 147 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 2: that tourism strategy so that we can continue to grow 148 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 2: tourism at a responsible way and at a responsible level 149 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 2: in Kakadu National Park. We actually want to engage the 150 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 2: traditional loans, we want to engage the border management and 151 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 2: we want everybody to come to the table to have 152 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:33,359 Speaker 2: this issue resolved. 153 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, look it seems you know, to me, it just 154 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: seems unbelievable. We're then selling Kakadoo on an international stage. 155 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: You know, if you look at any of the marketing 156 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: that happens from Tourism NT, it's got Kackadoo included, right. 157 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: But then people rock up and you know they're trying 158 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: to go out and visit these beautiful sites. And then 159 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: as you've said, happened. You arrive and it's closed, despite 160 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: the website and everything else telling you that it's going 161 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 1: to be open. Like that just makes it not only 162 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: difficult for you to be able to as a tour 163 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: operator do your job and operate a business, but for 164 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: us locals, well, it's incredibly disappointing because it means that 165 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: tourists are going to arrive and instead of leaving with 166 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: a positive taste in their mouth, they're going to be disappointed. 167 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: And then I would imagine, you know, when it comes 168 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: down to all of that marketing and trying to get 169 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: visitors to the Northern Territory, how do you think you're 170 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: going to get the onflow of that word of mouth? 171 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: And you know, people saying to their family and their 172 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: friends everybody else, will I want to go to the 173 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 1: Northern Territory and I'd love to see Kakado if their 174 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: famili has been here and they don't get to see anything. 175 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 2: And Katie, you're absolutely correct in everything you say there, 176 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 2: and this is the difficult thing that we're facing at 177 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 2: the moment. But I also want to reiterate that it's 178 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 2: not just small business owners like myself, it's larger companies 179 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 2: and it's the overall territory tourism. So Kakadu is our 180 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 2: key draw card the Northern territory, I mean to the 181 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 2: top end. And you know, you can try and get 182 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 2: around that as much as you like, but it's indisputable. 183 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 2: Kakadu brings thousands of visitors to our top end every year. 184 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 2: And you're right, if they can't come and if it 185 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 2: cops a bad rap, which it is copying, that momentum 186 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 2: has already been broken. You know, not just domestically, but internationally. 187 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 2: There's there's international inbound tour operators that design you know, 188 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 2: entire Australian itinities for clients and they've struck Kakadou off 189 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 2: their list. They're not even selling Kakadu to their international clients. 190 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 2: I mean, how about that. You know, that's it is shameful. 191 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 2: But again I'm not in this for a fight. My 192 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 2: call out is to try and resolve this and you know, 193 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 2: for whatever that takes, because we are hurting, we are 194 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 2: genuinely hurting. And look, Kakadu is now on the cusp 195 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 2: of you know, promoting Aboriginal tourism. You know, they need 196 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 2: to transition that economy out there. From mining and that 197 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 2: they are looking at tourism. But I you know, we 198 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 2: just want them to understand that by continuing to damage 199 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 2: the Kakadu profile, you know, nobody's going to come. So 200 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 2: they're not going to have any success with their businesses. 201 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: I Well, the thing is, it costs a bloody arm 202 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: and a leg to get to the Northern Territory as 203 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: it is, you know, so you want to make sure 204 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: that when people are here that they are having the 205 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: best possible experience. But as you've said, you know, let's 206 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: work together, let's try and make this you know, let's 207 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 1: try and sort things out, because it would benefit everybody 208 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: in the Northern Territory if it gets worked out. 209 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Katie. And again you know that's that's the 210 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 2: bigger picture on this. You know, it's not just small 211 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 2: operators like myself. And look, if I could, if I could, 212 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 2: you know, communicate this directly to Kakadu, I would be 213 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 2: But and I've tried, and it's not through lack of trying, 214 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 2: you know, from me and other operators for a very 215 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 2: very long time, but they're totally unresponsive. And and I 216 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 2: guess Katie, what would help is I'd like to know 217 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 2: the views of our current Tourism minister on this. You know, 218 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 2: is there something that the Northern Territory can do at 219 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 2: our level to perhaps communicate this back to Canberra and 220 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 2: even you know, you know, communicate this to Kakadu directly. 221 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:17,199 Speaker 2: I know that there's been people trying, but again we're 222 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 2: not getting any results, and that's that's the reason for 223 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 2: my call out. So I'd be curious to know what's 224 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 2: happening at a territory government level in regards to this, 225 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 2: because this is a huge problem. 226 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 1: Well, look, we'll see what we can find out. Greg, 227 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: We'll see if we can have a chat to the 228 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: Tourism Minister at some stage next week and see what 229 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: we can find out. Mate. 230 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 2: All right, thank you, thank you. 231 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: Thanks so much, appreciate your time this morning. 232 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 2: You're welcome to thank you.