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Speaker 1: Good morning and welcome to the Daily Os. It's Monday,

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Speaker 1: the twenty ninth of July. I'm Sam, I'm nandini. Europe

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Speaker 1: is currently facing one of its peak holiday periods, with

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Speaker 2: We know that tourism can boost to local economies. However,

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Speaker 2: we also know that it can harm cultures and disrupt

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Speaker 2: and how can it be tackled. That's what we'll try

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Speaker 2: to answer in today's deep dive. But first Sam, what's

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Speaker 1: On Sunday, Prime Minister Anthony Abernie announced a ministerial reshuffle.

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Speaker 1: As part of the reshuffle, Tony Burke will take over

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Speaker 1: all follows Linda Bernie's retirement announcement late last week, and

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Speaker 1: following that announcement, Melandiri McCarthy will become the new Minister

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Speaker 2: Foreign Minister Penny Wong will travel to Laos, Japan and

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Speaker 2: Melbourne hosted an Asian Summit earlier this year, marking fifty

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Speaker 2: And today's good news. The International Olympic Committee has announced

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Speaker 2: which the Committee says is targeted towards engaging younger audiences

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Speaker 2: already global competitions for games, including League of Legends, Call

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Speaker 1: I'd say one of the best parts of this podcast

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm so excited. I've been hearing lots of

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Speaker 1: I think this is a really interesting topic. There is

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Speaker 2: No, not exactly so this year alone, we've seen Barcelona

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Speaker 1: And we can't forget as well that tourism does bring

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Speaker 2: So we know that over tourism can drive up costs

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Speaker 1: Well, I feel like sometimes that overcrowding can just be

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Speaker 3: People don't like paying taxes. In Venice. There's been a

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Speaker 2: Caps are an example of trying to manage overcrowding in

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Speaker 1: And There are often places that have those caps. In

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Speaker 2: If tourism came to a complete holt. Yes. I mean

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I asked Professor Dwyer what an ideal balance

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Speaker 3: If you downsize tourism, hopefully alongside other industries which should downside,

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Speaker 1: So is he basically saying there that he would want

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Speaker 2: It's a combination of that, but also just reducing how

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Speaker 1: So it's interesting. It's actually getting them to the psychology

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Speaker 2: So over tourism isn't a new thing, but it's certainly growing,

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Speaker 1: I think there will be a couple more days where

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Speaker 1: Keep an eye out for a special Olympics edition of

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Speaker 1: name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Runda Bungelung

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Speaker 1: Calcolton woman from Gadigl Country. The Daily oz acknowledges that

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Speaker 3: both past and present,