Speaker 1: This is Flex and Frooms.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the podcast. This is Flex and Karen. I
Speaker 2: believe in manifesting and I do not like the route
Speaker 2: that I'm going down, but I have done some Karen
Speaker 2: like typical behaviors. I don't ever want to be in
Speaker 2: defense of Karen, okay, but given that I am Karen,
Speaker 2: I have to defend some of the actions that a
Speaker 2: Karen is want to do.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Incident happened a little while back.
Speaker 1: A few days ago.
Speaker 2: I called in somebody DM to somebody who runs a
Speaker 2: meme page because I took offense to one of the
Speaker 2: videos they posted, which goes against my general ethos of
Speaker 2: online behavior.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you hate policing people. I hate it, but I
Speaker 1: had to do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is my new era of like becoming mouthy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because that feeling of like fighting against your instincts.
Speaker 3: That sucks, being like I just want to say something,
Speaker 3: I just want to do something, I just want to
Speaker 3: go there. So I get why you were, like why
Speaker 3: you did it, but you know lessons a Karen.
Speaker 1: Let's get to it, Caz, this is Flex and Rooms.
Speaker 2: On DA last week, I talked about some Karen behavior
Speaker 2: that I did on a plane. I was using both
Speaker 2: armrests in the middle. When a man started using my
Speaker 2: arm rest in adverted commerce. I asked him to please move,
Speaker 2: I take it out of my space. I said, oh, sorry,
Speaker 2: excuse me. I like kind of don't really have much room.
Speaker 2: And he's like, oh, so yeah.
Speaker 3: I hit him with the reverse Karen too, you kind
Speaker 3: of put it on here, be like, I don't have room,
Speaker 3: Damsel Karen.
Speaker 1: That's a new breed. I'm the damsel.
Speaker 2: Damsel Karen literally fuck okay. So the Karen just wants
Speaker 2: to get out of my soul, wants to get out
Speaker 2: of my system.
Speaker 1: She's absolutely banging on the door. Karen wants to reclaim space.
Speaker 2: So the other day I was on Instagram. This is
Speaker 2: the person that I follow. It's kind of like a
Speaker 2: mean page and they repost a lot of people in
Speaker 2: the wild. This guy who's like in his twenties kissing
Speaker 2: this woman who looks in her thirties and like she
Speaker 2: would be like the archetypical bogan. Like they're at the
Speaker 2: pub drinking beers. They're both obviously pissed. She's sitting on
Speaker 2: a stool. The video shows him coming up to her
Speaker 2: and kissing her like.
Speaker 1: Full on him going up to her and kissing her mouth. Yeah, anytime,
Speaker 1: Oh slippy.
Speaker 2: And then he kind of stops kissing her, which makes
Speaker 2: it look like it was a dare, but she kind
Speaker 2: of continues and then falls backwards off a chair and
Speaker 2: he's laughing, and everyone in the pub is kissing their
Speaker 2: pats laughing. Ye, so this woman's gone us overhead. Everybody's giggling,
Speaker 2: and this meme page has reposted this video that's obviously
Speaker 2: somebody sent in. I go to the comment section, so
Speaker 2: I see this video. Immediately I give me a bad
Speaker 2: feeling at my stomach. So yeah, I'm reading the comments
Speaker 2: and it's calling this woman a mongrel and all this
Speaker 2: really fucked shit, and I'm like, I have to do
Speaker 2: something about this. So I thought about commenting and saying, hey,
Speaker 2: have you asked for this woman's consent to post this video,
Speaker 2: because at the very end of the video, she's on
Speaker 2: the ground and she clocks that someone's filming and she
Speaker 2: says stop filming, me goes online. So I'm like, I
Speaker 2: clearly no one in the comments is being like this
Speaker 2: is fucked And I like to think that if I
Speaker 2: see something that I really don't agree with, I like
Speaker 2: to say something. However, what I've learned in my life,
Speaker 2: in my past life, is that I don't have the
Speaker 2: luxury of saying what I think at times if it's quitemercial,
Speaker 2: because I have had instances in the last year or
Speaker 2: two where I have spoken up about something and then
Speaker 2: someone said, oh, no one cares that you're online.
Speaker 1: Virtually physically, no one cares that you're online.
Speaker 2: What do you mean, Like I've put my neck out
Speaker 2: to like stick up for someone or say what I think,
Speaker 2: and then that's construed as, Oh, you think you can
Speaker 2: like dictate what people say and think because you have
Speaker 2: some sort of online presence. Yeah, so it's I'm just
Speaker 2: being the Karen that I am, regardless of it.
Speaker 3: If you're a Karen by nature and nurture, I have
Speaker 3: been a Karen whole.
Speaker 1: Wow, you get to be Karen by.
Speaker 2: Trade literally, and I don't want to be because I
Speaker 2: don't want the fallout. But I saw this, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I can't in good conscience look at this and scroll
Speaker 2: on because I know what it's like also to be
Speaker 2: made fun of. I don't like it when people take
Speaker 2: videos of me without my consent and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: and this was like a very unflattering video.
Speaker 1: So I messaged the guy DM.
Speaker 2: I dmd him because that's my other thing that I've
Speaker 2: learned in all my time online.
Speaker 1: A call in, a call in, that's what they call it.
Speaker 3: Because nobody likes me put on show, and there is
Speaker 3: something very specific about somebody telling you off or calling
Speaker 3: your behavior into question where other people can see. And
Speaker 3: so sometimes when you take it into a private space
Speaker 3: and you say, hey, person, here's a thing.
Speaker 1: Have you considered? This could work nicely? But how did
Speaker 1: it go?
Speaker 2: I want you to tell me what you thought of this? Okay,
Speaker 2: hello King, I love your shit. Nice But I wonder
Speaker 2: about that last video with the woman. Does she know
Speaker 2: that it's online. I didn't want to comment on the
Speaker 2: post to start shit, but some of the comments are
Speaker 2: really cooked, calling her a mongrel, and the fact that
Speaker 2: she said, don't fielm me and then it ends up online.
Speaker 2: I imagine this would make her feel really shit. I'm
Speaker 2: not the police, but I just had to get this
Speaker 2: off my chest, so are you?
Speaker 1: That's what the cops would say. That is absolutely what
Speaker 1: the cops would say. I'm not the police, but I
Speaker 1: just had to get this off my chest.
Speaker 2: Because I've been in her position before and I wish
Speaker 2: someone stood up for me. Salutemoji, salute emoji, fingers up emoji.
Speaker 3: And what I will say about that approach is I
Speaker 3: really appreciate that you've made it casual the whole way round,
Speaker 3: and you've led with emotion, not like a morality thing
Speaker 3: where it's like this is a bad thing. It's just
Speaker 3: like I have noticed this, and these are the reasons
Speaker 3: she said, don't put it up. The comments are really cooked,
Speaker 3: Like what do you think about it? To be fair,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have done it because I'm of the belief
Speaker 3: that the amount of steps it takes to post that
Speaker 3: shit's intentional, and the same way you're seeing the comments
Speaker 3: ramp up is the same way that person seeing the
Speaker 3: comment ramp up, and if their own moral compass is
Speaker 3: telling them like this is fine and cool because the
Speaker 3: engagement is good and the analytics are ups told me
Speaker 3: all I need to know.
Speaker 1: But I think I'm.
Speaker 3: More in my harm reduction error at the moment where
Speaker 3: I'm like, I've done my call out, call in, and
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna be silly and talk about big concepts
Speaker 3: with you.
Speaker 2: Yes see, I'm in that liminal period where I can't
Speaker 2: decide where I'm getting pent up about things, and then
Speaker 2: feeling even more pent up that I feel that I'm
Speaker 2: not allowed to be pent up.
Speaker 1: And that's not good.
Speaker 2: Levels are up, Yeah, fully up when I was sending that,
Speaker 2: But I'm glad that I did. And I think I'm
Speaker 2: only in the future going to put things on record
Speaker 2: and put myself out there if I wouldn't care for
Speaker 2: literally everyone in the world saw period period. So then
Speaker 2: he replied, Hey, mate, I haven't looked at the comments,
Speaker 2: and I'll get in and get rid of that shit.
Speaker 2: Then double check she's aware of it. I don't know
Speaker 2: how you're going to double check.
Speaker 1: Hey, this is really unsafe.
Speaker 3: People aren't actually going ham they hate it, but.
Speaker 1: Fled to it in numbers.
Speaker 2: Seriously, And if she isn't aware, I'll get rid of it.
Speaker 2: Thanks for pointing that out. And then he said they
Speaker 2: both appear to go at each other all tongues blazing yep,
Speaker 2: which means that it's consensual, and she didn't mind that
Speaker 2: it's something, but who who are.
Speaker 1: We to decide what something is or is through observation?
Speaker 2: Then he goes, and I love your shit too, shake hand, emoji,
Speaker 2: and I said, God bless, I look forward to many toortals,
Speaker 2: to which he said, and I look forward to.
Speaker 1: This friendship blossoming.
Speaker 2: So the moral of the story there is I'm so
Speaker 2: excited that I didn't call him out on the post
Speaker 2: because that would have ended badly, because clearly he stands
Speaker 2: by it. But I'm glad that I said something generally
Speaker 2: because I don't want to leave my life like I
Speaker 2: can't bring out my Karen when the Karen has a
Speaker 2: reason to be the Karen.
Speaker 3: Ye, you know, But in this instance, I think you
Speaker 3: need to give yourself like some props because the plane
Speaker 3: that was that was very Karen like. This is more
Speaker 3: so I wouldn't even call it vigilanteism either. I think
Speaker 3: that every now and then people forget that the Internet
Speaker 3: becomes a really wayward place because nobody feels responsible enough
Speaker 3: to set rules and guidelines, right. I just think there's
Speaker 3: room to regard any interaction, whether it's virtual or in
Speaker 3: a real life space, as a real like as a
Speaker 3: real interaction where it's like you're posting real people and
Speaker 3: a real person is there being embarrassed and real people
Speaker 3: are commenting cooked stuff, and like you're encouraging an atmosphere
Speaker 3: where real people think this is okay to do, to
Speaker 3: real people think all that's really good.
Speaker 1: I think it's really tricky because the.
Speaker 3: Reason why I stopped doing call in call out culture
Speaker 3: is that I wasn't really interested in like rehabilitating people either,
Speaker 3: because I think there's, like you said, an element of
Speaker 3: if he stands by the post, who am I then
Speaker 3: to be like, here are the reasons why it's bad,
Speaker 3: and here's the reasons why it offended me, and here
Speaker 3: are the reasons, like I'm not doing that shit, you know,
Speaker 3: And I think that is necessary. When you are calling
Speaker 3: people in and out, you got to stick with them
Speaker 3: on the journey, Like because it's your problem, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like you called it out. So if
Speaker 3: you if you feel so highly or you feel so
Speaker 3: strongly about it.
Speaker 1: Then see it through flick and frods.
Speaker 3: The other a week, I was at the Sydney premiere
Speaker 3: of Elvis. Yeah, so Hot, so sexy. I'm obsessed with
Speaker 3: Basil Woman and Austin Butler. And if you go to
Speaker 3: my Instagram flextut mommy, you'll see the moment in which
Speaker 3: he bewitched me. I have never seen myself look at
Speaker 3: a man that way. My eyes were glistening. I was
Speaker 3: looking at his eyes, looking at his lips like I
Speaker 3: was entranced, and I was being entrance in the moment,
Speaker 3: being like, why has this guy got me?
Speaker 1: Looking all patient? I was giving demure. I saw that
Speaker 1: he was a you're looking up and down on his lips.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, she wants it.
Speaker 3: I was giving delicate. I said this man, I see
Speaker 3: what you've done. And now the bar has been raised.
Speaker 3: Because whatever that feeling was, I need a tenfold. It
Speaker 3: was feeling like those memes where they say like women
Speaker 3: should be peaceful around. However, so we're on a red
Speaker 3: carpet of one side of the street, and there are
Speaker 3: fans along the side that we're on and parallel l
Speaker 3: like across the road looking towards the red carpet. And
Speaker 3: when the cast and celebrities get out of the car,
Speaker 3: they get out facing directly to the red carpet and
Speaker 3: they have their backs to a whole row of fans
Speaker 3: across the street. Baslanan gets out of the car immediately stops,
Speaker 3: turns around, sees that there's droves of people across the
Speaker 3: road holding up signs goes through traffic to say hello
Speaker 3: to everyone, take selfies, give autographs, say thank you. Then
Speaker 3: came across the road back to where the red carpet was.
Speaker 3: There were fans there did the same thing. And all
Speaker 3: I could think of was, damn, these new celebrities are
Speaker 3: not built correct. They're really the default because the start
Speaker 3: of the show, he's taken his time to go and
Speaker 3: show gratitude to the people that quote unquote are paying
Speaker 3: his bills. Right, you are giving this movie a sense
Speaker 3: of like fanfare and legacy. Right, he recognizes the necessity.
Speaker 3: It's like the ultimate formula. There is no pandemonium without
Speaker 3: the fans that stand on the road and hold the
Speaker 3: signs and go to these red carpets. And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't think a new celebrity would do that. I
Speaker 3: don't think that like an Instagram star or an influencer
Speaker 3: or a TikToker would understand that that is something that
Speaker 3: you can do because you're not really given a guidebook
Speaker 3: of interacting because you build so much of your profile
Speaker 3: in solitary alone on your phone in your room, not
Speaker 3: interacting with anyone in a way that feels physical.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so perhaps when you get into a physical.
Speaker 3: Space, you maybe internalize the idea that you have to
Speaker 3: engage from a fart like maybe wave or you know,
Speaker 3: acknowledge with a smile, but stepping forward and actually like
Speaker 3: touching people and signing things. They just weren't doing that.
Speaker 3: I said, damn, is this like this weird consequence of
Speaker 3: social media.
Speaker 2: I assume that they are thinking if I go over there,
Speaker 2: They're not going to want to talk to me because
Speaker 2: I'm not a real celebrity.
Speaker 3: But people were screaming. It's like they're screaming their name.
Speaker 3: If someone had been like you got out of your
Speaker 3: car to do a red carpet and someone's like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, rooms, rooms, hi, and instead of going up
Speaker 3: to them acknowledging them, you just kind of waving like ahaha,
Speaker 3: thank you.
Speaker 1: I don't do something reasonable.
Speaker 3: It's almost not an idea that like you don't want
Speaker 3: to break the fourth wall and like actually interact with
Speaker 3: them because you're kind of used to this separation of
Speaker 3: like you consume me from afar and like here, I'm
Speaker 3: over here, wave. But this idea of like physically going
Speaker 3: into that into your fans orbit and being like I'm
Speaker 3: right here with you in this moment.
Speaker 2: So Basi Lemon was really good at god giving people
Speaker 2: credabum were there people that weren't.
Speaker 3: I think like Austin Butler was really good at just
Speaker 3: giving everyone that that look like he was just maintaining
Speaker 3: eye contact with everyone. He was moving at a zoo
Speaker 3: point five speed, talking at zero point five speed. I
Speaker 3: think he was really good at letting people can like
Speaker 3: bask in him a little bit, like kind of just
Speaker 3: stood there and let people acknowledge him. He wasn't rushing
Speaker 3: himself through. That makes sense. Like the star Tom Hanks,
Speaker 3: for example, didn't do the red carpet, raced out of
Speaker 3: the car straight inside, but he.
Speaker 1: Was here for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he got COVID exactly, so like bad vibes,
Speaker 3: I get it, but like he doesn't need to do that,
Speaker 3: But it was notice of one comparison to others.
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, where's Tom. I was like, he's not.
Speaker 3: He's not doing media's he's castaway to me, and he
Speaker 3: doesn't have to because he's an og. But I'm just saying,
Speaker 3: perhaps some of these some of these new celebrities need
Speaker 3: to take a page out of the vintage book and he.
Speaker 1: Would be stars listening give a bit of attention, give.
Speaker 3: A lot of attention. I think it's worth like cranking.
Speaker 3: It make someone's day.
Speaker 2: This is flex and frooms on whether or not we
Speaker 2: like it. Farting comes up a lot on this show.
Speaker 2: I believe it's a new remit in your professional career.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely not part of my core themes, not part
Speaker 3: of my core branding.
Speaker 2: But I'm here to be involved. Well, I have a
Speaker 2: story for you, and this is a love line. So
Speaker 2: this has been sent in by a listener.
Speaker 1: Here we go.
Speaker 2: Yes, I realized the title sounds ridiculous, and the title
Speaker 2: is fiance acts weird about the fact I fart around him.
Speaker 2: Standard procedure, that would be me, I'd be acting weird.
Speaker 2: But this is something that really bothers me. My fiance
Speaker 2: is extremely gassy and has long been comfortable farting around me.
Speaker 1: We'd usually just laugh about it.
Speaker 2: Shortly before we got engaged, I got comfortable enough to
Speaker 2: start farting around him, and we laugh about that too.
Speaker 2: I didn't think there was anything wrong about it. Of
Speaker 2: course you didn't. And for clarity's sake, I am not shrek.
Speaker 1: Thank you, queen. That was one for you.
Speaker 2: I don't go around farting everywhere. I only do it
Speaker 2: around him because we're going to live together, so I
Speaker 2: may as well break him in now. I was just
Speaker 2: texting him tonight and the topic came up. He surprised
Speaker 2: me by saying that my farting caught him off guard
Speaker 2: because and I quote, women don't fight. He then proceeded
Speaker 2: to say that a woman has never farted around him before.
Speaker 1: Oh clean blood.
Speaker 2: He's had many girlfriends in the past, and I would say, any.
Speaker 1: How old is that he chose you?
Speaker 2: He's thirty two, okay, she's twenty three, which I think
Speaker 2: is also numb.
Speaker 1: He's had minutes what notable? Okay?
Speaker 2: Nine years As difference, He's had many girlfriends in the
Speaker 2: past and would say that he used to go for
Speaker 2: the model type. He then made a joke that he
Speaker 2: may have to check me for male private parts. I'm
Speaker 2: not usually easy offender, but this rubbed me the wrong way.
Speaker 1: I'm still stuck on. He used, he usually goes for
Speaker 1: the model type. Then who are you? Babe? I switched
Speaker 1: it up to you? She shrek.
Speaker 2: She also asked, how the heck in thirty two years
Speaker 2: of life, have you never seen a woman fat or
Speaker 2: smell it? Rather than in conclusion. I told him this
Speaker 2: whole thing upsets me, and he told me I was
Speaker 2: overreacting and that he was just teasing me. He claimed
Speaker 2: he wasn't comparing me to anyone, but I don't know.
Speaker 2: It left me feeling sour, like my femininity was less
Speaker 2: legitimate because I fought even typing that feels ridiculous, But
Speaker 2: it just feels so offensive to be told women don't
Speaker 2: fight because they're women.
Speaker 1: Is that what he said?
Speaker 3: Yeah, or at least that's that's what she's Yeah, you're interpreting.
Speaker 1: I'm stressed out.
Speaker 3: My first issue is him fighting around her. Don't be
Speaker 3: your most comfortable self around me, is what I'm trying
Speaker 3: to say.
Speaker 1: I get it. You far do it another room. I
Speaker 1: get it.
Speaker 3: You bur I mean burping is chill if you're not belching.
Speaker 2: Wink ye looking at our prettyper number one belter in
Speaker 2: the land.
Speaker 3: I would much prefer some gonna blow their nose. They
Speaker 3: did it in another a coughing fit for the first couple.
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, you can have it, but if it's
Speaker 3: gonna be an occurring thing, just take it elsewhere. These
Speaker 3: are all things that I do. I'm looking you dead
Speaker 3: in the eye. So the next time you want to
Speaker 3: do that, Yeah, honestly, like she lost me out, like
Speaker 3: he farts a lot around me because I wouldn't nit
Speaker 3: that in the bud number one. But fine, if that's
Speaker 3: the dynamic you have. I think he set a tone, right,
Speaker 3: you're fighting a lot, You're making it a thing. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna assume you're comfortable with the concept of fighting in
Speaker 3: the same way if I was gonna blow my nose,
Speaker 3: I would leave the room. That's a standard I'm setting
Speaker 3: for myself, and I'm just hoping that people who spend
Speaker 3: a lot of time around me will just do the
Speaker 3: same thing.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna hold them to it. That's not my business.
Speaker 3: But in this instance, when you started fighting around him
Speaker 3: and he started taking offense, well that's just weird because
Speaker 3: you've said a standard. If you don't want it that way,
Speaker 3: then shift your behavior to shift hers. I do think
Speaker 3: like the women don't fight thing is not personal, like
Speaker 3: the I don't think he's like, you're grossing me out
Speaker 3: because you far.
Speaker 1: I think you're just warping his perception of the world.
Speaker 3: He's like, wait a second, I've dated so many of
Speaker 3: these creatures and none have ever done what you've just done.
Speaker 3: Now you know, he thought you were a non fighter.
Speaker 3: Now you're letting a few things rip, and I think
Speaker 3: it's shattering his illusion.
Speaker 1: Which is pretty fair.
Speaker 3: It's like the first time you see someone do something,
Speaker 3: like the first time you see someone get really mad,
Speaker 3: you're like, WHOA, that's hectic. I didn't know you did that.
Speaker 3: That is never seen someone do that before. In this instance, though,
Speaker 3: I'm sure you can take it personally for a myriad
Speaker 3: of reasons. I'm not gonna tell you not to. But
Speaker 3: like the fighting thing is the least of your concerns.
Speaker 3: Missage gap. Yeah, don't get us talking on this topic.
Speaker 2: They go, well, we're gonna send her on away with
Speaker 2: this song. I don't know what she should do.
Speaker 1: Just just stop fighting.
Speaker 3: Just do whatever makes you more coomfortable, because don't stop farting.
Speaker 3: Don't make it a point to keep fighting around him
Speaker 3: if he's gonna make you feel like you're an ogre
Speaker 3: because of it. But also, if that's the new dynamic
Speaker 3: you're creating, it needs to be mutual. Like he's got
Speaker 3: to stop letting it rip so comfortably love.
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