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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families Podcast. It's the podcast for the

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Speaker 1: time poor parent who just wants answers.

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Speaker 2: Now. Hello, this is doctor Justin Coulson, the founder of

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Speaker 2: Happy Families dot com dot A. You welcome to a

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Speaker 2: holiday edition of the Happy Families Podcast. Today one of

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Speaker 2: Australia's favorite parenting experts, the Queen of Common Sense. She's

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Speaker 2: written a handful of books to help parents to navigate

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Speaker 2: their parenting journey, especially if you're raising boys, and today

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Speaker 2: we're talking to Maggie about her book Raising Boys. I

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Speaker 2: was chatting with Maggie in episode two hundred and seventy

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Speaker 2: of our podcast If You've Got Boys, I think you'll

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Speaker 2: love listening to this episode to give you a taste,

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Speaker 2: I asked her, is the culture unkind to young boys?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Golly, you know. Every now and then I'll work

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Speaker 1: in a center that's actually been to some of my work,

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Speaker 1: and they've got this different approach so that the boys

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Speaker 1: that Nie can't sit still on the map more than

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Speaker 1: two or three minutes are towards the back and they're

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Speaker 1: okay to jiggle on a chair where they're able to

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Speaker 1: jiggle their foot without getting busted for it, and they're

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Speaker 1: able to concentrate more, so they're able to participate more.

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Speaker 1: And what they desperately need the same as every girl,

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Speaker 1: is a sense that I belong and people care for me.

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Speaker 1: So when we actually have evidence that shows that we

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Speaker 1: speak more harshly to boys than girls, so what's that

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Speaker 1: telling sensitive little boys? And all of them are sensitive.

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Speaker 1: Even though that raumbunctious one looks like he's tough, he's not.

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Speaker 1: So the whole myth is boys are not tough a

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Speaker 1: natural fat girls are emotionally way tougher. They do have

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Speaker 1: a physicality, So thank you for that. But that is

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Speaker 1: one of the reasons that I started jumping up and down,

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Speaker 1: because we have to look at the way that we're

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Speaker 1: starting to raise little boys into a system that doesn't

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Speaker 1: necessarily serve them until a lot later, around eight to nine,

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Speaker 1: they can sit a little bit better.

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Speaker 2: Maggie, I want to pick up on something that you've

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Speaker 2: just highlighted. You talked about the research around the different

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Speaker 2: expectations the way we speak to boys versus girls, and

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Speaker 2: that data from what I've seen from a developmental psychology

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Speaker 2: point of view, that that's from the earliest ages. We're

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Speaker 2: much more likely to google and gaga over a six

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Speaker 2: month old girl than we are a boy. And by

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Speaker 2: the time they're twelve months and eighteen months and twenty

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Speaker 2: four months, all of a sudden, it's like, stop crying,

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Speaker 2: cut that out, stop acting like a girl. As you

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Speaker 2: would know, I mean, you've written about it. The boys

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Speaker 2: at school are much more likely to get in trouble.

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Speaker 2: They're much more likely to be put on attention, They're

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Speaker 2: much more likely to be suspended and expelled. They just

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Speaker 2: get in trouble more than girls. And it's almost like

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Speaker 2: we've feminized our education system. And as the kids get older,

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Speaker 2: we see girls doing better at school, which is wonderful.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's great. It's great that girls are doing well.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that they shouldn't do well, but girls

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Speaker 2: are graduating with higher grades consistently, girls are getting into

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Speaker 2: the better courses. Now. Girls are really really doing well.

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Speaker 2: And it's a wonderful moment for girls to shine. But

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Speaker 2: it shouldn't be at the expense of boys. Can we

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Speaker 2: lift everybody rather than saying, well, we've got to do

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Speaker 2: this for girls, and therefore we've got to put the

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Speaker 2: boys down. What do we do as parents, like if

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Speaker 2: there's a take home message in terms of the way

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Speaker 2: we talk to our boys, the way we educate our boys,

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Speaker 2: the way we raise these little kids. Let's say, up

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Speaker 2: to about the age of ten or twelve, what would

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Speaker 2: you say the fundamentals that parents need to know about

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Speaker 2: boys as opposed to girls.

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Speaker 1: Look, I think the fundamental needs of them is exactly

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Speaker 1: the same, justin so you know, we know that strong

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Speaker 1: attachment and relationships are really what helps all children thrive.

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Speaker 1: So you've got to work out how you're building that.

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Speaker 1: Even though you have a boy that's more impulsive, that

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Speaker 1: wants to jump off the garage roof and you can't

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Speaker 1: believe you did it because he didn't think about it.

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Speaker 1: We don't make them wrong in those moments. But what

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Speaker 1: we do is I just say, if you can have

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Speaker 1: three rules around your boys that you have either stuck

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Speaker 1: world around you. So when they do those things, we

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Speaker 1: come back to them. Now, you're not wrong. It was

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Speaker 1: the choice you made. And so the emotional coaching is

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Speaker 1: really important from a tender place, but it can't do

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Speaker 1: it in the heat of the moment because I can't

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Speaker 1: hear you. They're very defensive, very early, So we probably

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Speaker 1: a good choice. So it's a slightly different way of

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Speaker 1: doing it. But the thing is, can you be the tender,

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Speaker 1: loving parent following all these moments? Can you love them

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Speaker 1: when they get that message home from school? Can you

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Speaker 1: love them if they've run in to say goodbye to

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Speaker 1: their friend and punch them in the head instead of

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Speaker 1: giving them a high five because they in the moment,

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Speaker 1: they just forgot what they were doing. Can you really

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Speaker 1: see the world through their eyes and help them understand

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Speaker 1: that there are other ways of being, that they're not wrong,

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Speaker 1: that sometimes they make choices that aren't really cool.

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Speaker 2: That's Maggie Dan from episode two hundred and seventy of

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Speaker 2: the Happy Families podcast talking about raising boys. Get curious,

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Speaker 2: not furious. Be we your feeder. Mistakes lead to mastery,

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Speaker 2: high emotions, low intelligence. Have you ever heard these or

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Speaker 2: Now you're with doctor Justin Coulson. Have you been enjoying

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Speaker 2: the holiday snippet that we're sharing with you to make

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Speaker 2: the stuff that matters most when it comes to raising kids. Tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: my favorite researchers in psychology in the entire world. He's

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Speaker 2: such a smart guy and he's written a book called Chatter,

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Speaker 2: The Voice in Our Head, Why it Matters and how

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Speaker 2: that self regulation happening, and teach to kids. That's what

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Speaker 2: our snippet of advice our wealth of wisdom from Professor

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Speaker 2: Ethan Cross. With you tomorrow please join us for the

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Speaker 2: Happy Families Podcast. Then until then, though, have a wonderful day.

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