1 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: It's their Happy Families podcast. I actually am concerned that 2 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: the important, genuinely, truly important messages that are in this 3 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 1: about respect and gender issues in terms of equality and access. 4 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: I think that the people who need to hear the 5 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: message most are going to miss the message. From that 6 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: point of view, I feel like it's preaching for choiet. 7 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: And now here's the stars of our show, my mum 8 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: and dad. Okay, Kylie, I feel like I've got my 9 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: kennergy just right for today's podcast. My name is just 10 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: Can Coulson, Just Ken Coulson. What are you laughing at? 11 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: I've got a PhD in psychology. You can view whoever 12 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: you want. That's the whole point of it. You can 13 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: be you. You can be you if you have no idea. 14 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: What's just happened to the Happy Family Podcast? We went 15 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: watched Barbie a couple of days ago. 16 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: Well let's just say you're just Ken. 17 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: I'm just Ken instead of just then and we are 18 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: ready to have a big conversation on today's podcast episode 19 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 1: about well, we need to talk about two things because 20 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: we're not supposed to start here. But we've then kind 21 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: of got a run sheet because there's so much to 22 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: talk about. And I'm jumping all over the place already, 23 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: but we need to start with attitude. I did not 24 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: want to watch the Barbie movie at all. 25 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 2: No, I'm sure that. 26 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: I'm nearly fifty years old. I'm a middle aged man. 27 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 2: Well, I'm pretty sure JR. Could bring up the words 28 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,119 Speaker 2: were literally. 29 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 1: We've had this conversation the other night. You said to me, 30 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: can we please go and watch Barbie? And what was 31 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 1: my response? 32 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 2: I'd rather die? 33 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: I think that's pretty much what I said, kill me now. 34 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: Just no, all right? So I definitely said that last week, 35 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: and we knew that because we do the Happy Families 36 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: podcast that it was essential that I watched it. 37 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 2: And it's why you went and watched the movie. 38 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: Because of the podcast, because I felt like we had 39 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: an obligation to talk about the podcast. 40 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 2: Think I think that it went a bit further than that. 41 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: I don't know why I went and watched the Barbie 42 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:19,399 Speaker 1: movie outside of that. Why don't you tell me why? 43 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 2: Craig said you had to? 44 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: Oh, okay, our executive producer, Craig said, justin, you have 45 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: to do it for the podcast. 46 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: And what did you say? 47 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: I said, I'll see it if you see it, and 48 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: then you can give me some ideas of what I'm 49 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: supposed to talk about, like you're doing this to me anyway, 50 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: We're going to come back to the attitude stuff. Suffice 51 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: to say that I said I will only watch the 52 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: Barbie movie. We'll watch it on in the morning on 53 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: Saturday morning if I can watch Oppenhauer that night with you. 54 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: So this episode is going to be a review of 55 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: Barbie and Oppenheimer, only one episode, which shouldn't be that hard. 56 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 2: So is it open Barbie? Now? 57 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: I think they're calling it Barbieheim are online? 58 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 2: Barbie? 59 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: You are so funny. So let's get started. Now that 60 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: the kennegy is established, we need to talk about what 61 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: has been happening online on my Facebook page, and then 62 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: we're going to get into the Barbie stuff. But let's 63 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: just keep the Facebook stuff quick. 64 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 2: If you've been following Justin for some time now and 65 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 2: in the Happy Families page, you will have noticed that 66 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 2: a few months ago, we decided to go on a 67 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 2: holiday and. 68 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: The team took over. Team went crazy while the bosses away. 69 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: We're going to play with this Facebook page, and they 70 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: delighted our I don't know nearly a quarter of a 71 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: million followers on Facebook, with just some of the funniest 72 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: stuff ever included. Anyway, we don't need to go there. 73 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: But they've done it again. And because I've been so 74 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: busy traveling the last couple of weeks has been so 75 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: much going on, they've actually done another hashtag. While the 76 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: bosses away, they changed my profile picture on Facebook without 77 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: my knowledge, from being a a picture of me to 78 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: being a picture of Ken. 79 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: Oh, you looked pretty hot, and. 80 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: Then they actually wrote, if we don't hear anything in 81 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: the office about this new profile picture for one week, 82 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: we're going to make an even bigger change. And because 83 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: I was traveling, because I've had so much going on, 84 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: I actually didn't see it, so I didn't make a 85 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: comment about it, and then they changed my profile picture too, Babby. 86 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: So for the last couple of weeks on Facebook, my 87 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 1: profile picture for the Happy Family's page has been Barbie. Anyway, 88 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 1: they've been having a lot of fun. They've had a 89 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 1: picture of you and I on some stairs where it 90 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: says I'm everything, it says Kylie's everything, and then it's 91 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: got a picture and then I'm sitting beside Kylie and 92 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: it says I'm just Ken. So anyway, the Facebook page 93 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: has been going very fun very funny. The zeitgeist moment 94 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 1: has arrived. And now before we run out of time 95 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: because we've got to talk about Oppenheimer, let's talk about 96 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: Barbie the movie. Please, oh before we talk about the 97 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: movie twenty seconds if I can now, I'm going to 98 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: sound like a middle aged grump shouting at clouds. But 99 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: we got into the movie theater, we sat down. People 100 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: were in our seats. This is allocated seating. Everyone's final. 101 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 2: They were in our seats because someone else was in there. 102 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: That's right. So everyone's finally moved over and we got 103 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: our seats. We've sat down. We missed the first two 104 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: minutes of the movie because of it, and literally for 105 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: the duration of the movie. No, I don't want to 106 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: sound like I'm a big grump, but for the duration 107 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: of the movie. I'm talking somewhere between twenty and thirty times, 108 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: these four kids or aged I reckon somewhere between seven 109 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: and ten ran up and down the stairs and down 110 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: the corridor in and out of the movie theater. And 111 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: when I say up and down the stairs, the stairs 112 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: have got carpet, but they're sort of wooden underneath until 113 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: you can hear the or the look well, the four 114 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: kids up and down about thirty times. It was so disruptive. 115 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: And then there was a lady sitting right behind us 116 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: who laughed at everything, including the not funny things, loudly. 117 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: And then right in the very big moment, the big 118 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 1: moment where the main character gives her big speech about 119 00:05:57,839 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: how hard it is to be a woman, there's these 120 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: three people who have walked in and stopped right next 121 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: to us, and they realized that they've walked into the 122 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: middle of a movie and they're in the wrong movie theater. 123 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: And it was like people, seriously, movies are dying. People 124 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: just want to sit in their living room and watch 125 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: it with piece and quiet. Honestly, I'm a grouch, am 126 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: I like it was legit. 127 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 2: It was legit. 128 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: It was legit. 129 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 2: I don't usually make any complaints that I actually went 130 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 2: and said something. 131 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: You became the Karen, you know, I. 132 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 2: Just I just acknowledged an apologies for anything, apologize to 133 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 2: every Karen because I hate that name, but that's the 134 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 2: only way that I can say it in shorthand. But 135 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 2: I just said, I've never sat in a cinema where 136 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 2: there hasn't been regular checks done by an attendant to 137 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 2: just make sure everything's going okay. There literally was no 138 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 2: one who came in at any point, and these kids 139 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 2: just roll like ruled the roots. 140 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: The on time didn't give us how fifty bucks back? Gee, 141 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: movies are expensive these days, twenty five. Okay, let's talk 142 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: about it. 143 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 2: I don't go to the movies with you. 144 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: Let's talk about it. Two movies in one day. That 145 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: was an expensive weekend. Let's not go there. Now we 146 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: need to talk about Oppenheimer. But first we have to 147 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: talk about Barbie. Unfortunately, so let's dive into it. Barbie. 148 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: Our feel on the Mallibley, the big parent in question, 149 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: so many parents are asking it is how old? How 150 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: old do my kids need to be to see this movie? 151 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: I want to take my kids to see Barbie. How 152 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: old should they be? 153 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 2: So based on our experience today. 154 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: With the seven to ten year olds running in and 155 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: out because they couldn't be bothered watching the movie. 156 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 2: And a handful of parents who walked out with their 157 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 2: five and seven year old like five and six year olds. Yeah, 158 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 2: and obviously I'm guessing based on the fact that it's dark, 159 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 2: I would be suggesting you'd want your kids in high 160 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 2: school in fact, our fifteen year old went last week 161 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 2: with her friends and she came home she said there 162 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: was heaps of funny parts in it, she said, but 163 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 2: kind of just got lost in it. Yes, she didn't 164 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 2: really understand what's going on. I would suggest that a 165 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: large percentage of people who go would actually miss so much. 166 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: Of what I feel like I missed a lot. Yeah. Maybe. 167 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 2: Honestly, I hated film and television. I hated doing movie 168 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 2: reviews and stuff at high school. But I can tell 169 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 2: you right now I would love to sit down with 170 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 2: my film and television teacher, all of you know, thirty 171 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 2: years ago, and actually dissect this movie. I think this 172 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 2: movie would be so much fun to actually sit with 173 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 2: somebody who can pull it all to pieces. 174 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: So from an age guide from me, I wouldn't be 175 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: too worried about kids maybe ten or eleven seeing it 176 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: at all. They're just not going to understand it. Yeah, 177 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: that's my issue with it, which is not an issue 178 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: right in terms of a maturity and the kid's okay 179 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: to see it. There's no kissing, there's no swearing, although 180 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: there is a bleeped out swear word towards the end, 181 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: but it comes and goes very very quickly, and the 182 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: innuendo is only comes up a couple of times. It's 183 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 1: fairly light, and I think most kids would miss most 184 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: of that sort of stuff. So I just don't think 185 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: kids younger than about twenty four are going to really 186 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: want to understand it, or not teen. But you could 187 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: let kids from about I reckon ten or eleven probably 188 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: sit in the movie and watch it. So with the 189 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: age out of the way, we've already addressed the fact 190 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: that I had a pretty lousy attitude going in. 191 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 2: What do you mean? But going in? 192 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 1: What do you mean? What do you mean? What I mean? 193 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 2: I hate going to the movies with you. You were 194 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 2: like a energy sucker, You like suck all the energy 195 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 2: out of it. 196 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: Well, I don't. I don't quite understand why you think 197 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: that I'm sucking any energy out. I don't want to 198 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: make this about us, though. I had a pretty poor 199 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: attitude going in. But once I stepped down, I thought, 200 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: I'm going to give this a good crack. 201 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 2: Yes, And every time the lady behind us laughed, I'd 202 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 2: look at you thinking are you gonna laugh? And you 203 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 2: roll your eyes. 204 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: Okay, But apart from that, the first while they're in 205 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: barbieland I actually didn't like the movie at all. Okay, 206 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: so can I just say there are a couple of spoilers. 207 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 2: Honestly they I think this was such a creative movie 208 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 2: purely on set, and it was amazing. They literally bought 209 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 2: Barbie and Barbie World to life on the screen. It 210 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 2: was just brilliantly done. 211 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: Because I'm just kid anywhere else. So the first scene, 212 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: We've got all the Barbie's ruling Barbie Land, you've got 213 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: a Barbie President, you've got Barbie spring Court, you've got 214 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: a totally and they have a Barbie Girls Night every 215 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: single night, and the boys aren't invited. 216 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 2: Well because it's Barbie House. 217 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:30,719 Speaker 1: Everything is like that. But the way that it was 218 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: dealt with it felt horrible as a guy, and maybe 219 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: even for you watching the way they treated can definitely 220 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: it was. It was so disrespectful, and I'm pretty sure 221 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: that was the point of it, right to show what 222 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: happens when you rule and you don't realize how good 223 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 1: you've got it in a in a power in a 224 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: position of power, and then Barbie ends up in the 225 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: real world and things start to change. So I'm not 226 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: going to give a plot overview here or anything like that. 227 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: But I do need to talk about not just the 228 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: creativity and the brilliance of the. 229 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 2: Movie, but did you say Barbie was brilliant? 230 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: It was? 231 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 2: Did you just say Barbie was brilliant? 232 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: I haven't been able to stop thinking about it since 233 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: we saw it. Saw it like It's the kind of 234 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 1: movie that, if you're willing to think about it, it really 235 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: gets in your head. Did I agree with everything in it? No, 236 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: not at all. Were there elements of both their way 237 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: of viewing the patriarchy and also the things that they 238 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: said about feminism or the things the movie seems to 239 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: be saying about feminism that I think could absolutely be improved, 240 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: no question. But this is a movie that gets in 241 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 1: your head if you let it, and I think that 242 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: they did an outstandingly good job. 243 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 2: It's interesting because our eldest daughter and her husband went 244 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 2: and saw it the other night, and I asked each 245 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 2: of them whether they enjoyed it and whether you were 246 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 2: going to be cranky when you walked out, and our 247 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 2: son in law, Jared said, He's like, look, I kind 248 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 2: of get what they're talking about. He said, Bert, Yeah, Nah, 249 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 2: I just kind of missed the mark for me. 250 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: Then I rang my door it now before we get there. 251 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: This is the critical thing. I was going to bring 252 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: this up right at the end, but this is the 253 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: critical thing. I actually am concerned that the important, genuinely, 254 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: truly important messages that are in this about respect and 255 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:15,839 Speaker 1: gender issues in terms of equality and access. I think 256 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: that the people who need to hear the message most 257 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: are going to miss the message because they either won't 258 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:22,839 Speaker 1: watch the movie or they walk out and us say 259 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 1: exactly what you're saying, our son in law said, And 260 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 1: from that point of view, I feel like it's preaching 261 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: to the choir. I feel like it ticks all the 262 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: boxes for everyone who already agrees with it, and people 263 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 1: who agree with it are going to love it and 264 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: be super excited, and it might even inspired some parents 265 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: to work on the conversations that they will have with 266 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: their kids. But boy, a boy, I really truly think 267 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: that a lot of people are going to walk out 268 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: and be completely unchanged, unfazed by it, and not think 269 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: about it again. And that's the problem. That's the problem 270 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: with a movie like this. 271 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,559 Speaker 2: I think when you think of systemic change, though it 272 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 2: doesn't happen in a moment, of course, not generational. 273 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 1: Well it has to be. We need it to be 274 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: over time. 275 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 2: And so if all the good that comes out of 276 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 2: this movie is that parents moving forward talk to their 277 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 2: kids and help create change for the future, that's a 278 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 2: huge step in the right direction. 279 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: Sure, sure, fair enough. 280 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 2: Yes, I'd love it to happen to yesterday, but the 281 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 2: reality is it won't. But if we sit in that 282 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 2: category and just go you know, nothing's going to change, 283 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 2: then we don't ever try. 284 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, yep. There was something in the movie that 285 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,719 Speaker 1: I really hated. It made me feel like less of 286 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: a man, and I'll tell you what it was, but 287 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: it's very hard for me to say. When Ryan Gosling 288 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: did that chin up on the chin up bar with 289 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: his shirt. 290 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,719 Speaker 2: Off, you know that you couldn't see his feet, right, 291 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 2: It doesn't just standing on a stool. 292 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: Oh, I can tell you right now, based on the 293 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: way that his chest and abdominals moved as he did 294 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: that chin up, that he was doing a chin up, 295 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: and it made me feel a little masculated. I mean, 296 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: I felt like less of a man in that moment. 297 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 2: It has nothing to do with the fact that you 298 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 2: don't have back. 299 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: You tell the whole world. I can't believe you just 300 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: said that. Wow, that was harsh. All right, you know, 301 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: we do need to talk about Oppenheimer. So let's wrap 302 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: this conversation up with a couple of things I'm going 303 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: to say. First off, I did not feel threatened by 304 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: the conversations about the patriarchy. I didn't feel threatened by 305 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: very much other than Ryan Gosling's chin up. 306 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 2: Okay, well, let's just be clear, though, this is really important. 307 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 2: You talk about the patriarchy, but the patriarchy isn't men. 308 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: No, No, the. 309 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 2: Patriarchy is the system that we live under, and it actually, 310 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 2: across the board not only hurts us as women, but 311 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 2: it hurts you as men. 312 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: Don't disagree for a second, and. 313 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 2: I think that the movie really really depicts that beautifully, 314 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:04,479 Speaker 2: like they've done just such a magnificent job of acknowledging 315 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 2: that it's not one gender that's being hurt here across 316 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 2: the board. 317 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: And my final point on not feeling threatened was I 318 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: did feel sad. I felt really sad because of the 319 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: way we've built this world, and I think it's all happened, 320 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: or maybe some of it has been intentional, but mainly 321 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: it just made me sad. Because so much of it 322 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: has been unintentional. This is just the way the world 323 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: has evolved and built. When Barbie steps into a patriarchal 324 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: society after having been in Barbieland and feeling so safe 325 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: all the time, and she starts to encounter the various 326 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: forms of abusive comments or just the leering, the psychological. 327 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 2: Being treated as an object. 328 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, the lack of safety that came with the objectification 329 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: that she experienced, I just it made me so sad, 330 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: and I remember just thinking, this is the kind of 331 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: thing where if we could just get every single boy 332 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: on the planet to ask a woman if there's ever 333 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: been a time where she didn't feel safe when she 334 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: was just literally walking down the street, I think that 335 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: that would be potentially the beginnings of a whole new 336 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: revolution of empathy for males, recognizing how the physical strength 337 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: but also the psychological space and expectation that men take 338 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: up impacts women. So to me, that was a really 339 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: strong illustration ultimately, and we do need to wrap this. 340 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: My take home message in terms of watching the movie 341 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: was that while we've talked a lot about patriarchy and 342 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: gender in this conversation, and I don't consider myself to 343 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: be a raging feminist, nor do I consider like I'm 344 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: pretty centrist. I think I'm kind of practical about this 345 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: sort of stuff. The two things that I got out 346 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: of it were, number One, when people know who they 347 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: really are, they do so much better than when they're 348 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: trying to be something because society expects it of them 349 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: or the people around them, whatever. And the second thing 350 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: that I got out of it was, there's just such 351 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: a lack of respect and if we could just be kinder, 352 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: if we could just be more respectful, which we will 353 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 1: do so much more effectively if we know who we are. 354 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: I'm just ken. I'm sorry, I'm just in the sense 355 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: of identity is so important, and again it comes back 356 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: to parenting for me, helping kids to be raised with 357 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 1: all the good that comes with femininity and all the 358 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 1: good that comes from masculinity, but pro socially oriented and 359 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: a strong sense of identity, being our own main character 360 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: with a pro social bent to support others. I just 361 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: I think it was It was a surprisingly good movie, 362 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: given that I went in with such a negative attitude 363 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: to it, and I'm really glad that I got to 364 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: see it. 365 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 2: The two things that really stood out for me was 366 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 2: this notion that for a long time, I think feminism 367 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 2: has been this drive for equal rights, this need to 368 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 2: be able to show that as a woman, I'm capable 369 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 2: of doing everything that you can do as a man. 370 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 2: And yet there's been this really beautiful shift over the 371 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 2: years of acknowledging that your maleness and my feminineness. 372 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 1: Go with femininity. 373 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 2: Femininity, they don't detract from each other. When we actually 374 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 2: show up, we are equal, not because we're trying to 375 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 2: prove that we're capable of doing what the other can do. 376 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 2: We compliment each other. 377 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: It's the complimentarity. 378 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I loved that. You know, there's this 379 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 2: moment when King just kind of says, it's always being 380 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 2: Barbie and Ken. And for me growing up, there was 381 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 2: just this acknowledgment that I'd feel whole once I found 382 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 2: my Ken. 383 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: And you found you just Ken. I did. 384 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 2: I did, But you don't make me whole. 385 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 1: I can't. 386 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 2: I have to be whole within myself. I have to 387 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 2: know who I am and what I want to be 388 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 2: and who I will be, not because you add to me, 389 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 2: but because I'm able to hold sound on my own. 390 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 2: And there's so much power in that For our girls 391 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 2: specifically to know that. And the last thing is at 392 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 2: the very end, when Barbie's kind of she's lost, she 393 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 2: doesn't understand who she is anymore. Is just this acknowledgment. 394 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 2: And you said it, but you're the main character in 395 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 2: your own story, but you're actually actually the author of 396 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 2: that story. You author it, you decide no one else can. 397 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:32,719 Speaker 2: And there's so much power in that. And if our 398 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 2: girls can learn that at such a young age, they 399 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 2: don't have to wait till they're forty to be working 400 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 2: it out. 401 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, Kylie, this is the sort of movie that you 402 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: watch and you think about for days, hopefully weeks, hopefully months, 403 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 1: hopefully even longer afterwards. I rate it. I think that 404 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: it gives parents loads of opportunities to talk about things 405 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:50,719 Speaker 1: with their kids, even if the kids don't see it. 406 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: We need to talk about Oppenheimer. Wasn't it good to 407 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: see that? 408 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 2: Yeah? It was great. 409 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 1: Okay, we're out of time. We really hope that you 410 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: enjoyed The Happy Family's podcast, which was produced by Justin 411 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: from Fridge Media and Craig Bruce is our executive producer. 412 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: Why are you looking at me like that? Are you 413 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: telling me that we've talked for over twenty minutes about Barbie. 414 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 1: We can't talk about Oppenheimer. It was good. If you'd 415 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: like more information though, about making your family happier. 416 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 2: Please won't tell anyone about the pink burgie you have 417 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 2: to lunch. 418 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: I think we should put that up on our socials 419 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: to celebrate this podcast and my conversation with you about Barbie. 420 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: If you want more information about all the Barbie stuff 421 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: that we've talked about, you can find it on our 422 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: Facebook page Doctor Justin Coolson's Happy Families and just remember 423 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: you are Kenough. I should also add the team have 424 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:42,199 Speaker 1: changed things up on the page again and now our baby. No, 425 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: it's just Doctor Justin's Mojo Dojo cassa house that's on 426 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: the headline banner thing I on the page like they're 427 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 1: just having to go and check it out. They've had 428 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: a lot of fun. It's worth your comments, it's worth 429 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: your shares. It's actually really fun. We hope you have 430 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 1: a great day. And if you haven't seen the movie, 431 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: check it out. I reckon there's a reason that it's 432 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 1: the most popular movie in the world right now.