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Speaker 1: In the studio with me right now is the Lord

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Speaker 1: Mayor of Darwin convat scarlets.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Conn, Good morning Katie, how are you yeah?

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Speaker 1: Really well now? Conn. On the face of it, this

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Speaker 1: action plan, it aims to coordinate existing and future work

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Speaker 1: and investment in several lane ways and those small streets

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Speaker 1: in the Darwin CBD sounds like a good thing. I

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Speaker 1: guess you know. The really obvious question from a lot

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Speaker 1: of people has been, well, Katie, we've still got anti

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Speaker 1: social behavior and other issues that we're experiencing in Darwin.

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Speaker 1: But Gertrude had just pointed out as well that you know,

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Speaker 1: a lot of the time when there is that better

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Speaker 1: lighting and an activation of the area, it does make

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Speaker 1: a difference.

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Speaker 2: Well, it does make a difference.

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Speaker 3: The reality is if you go to nightcliff Bitch, for example,

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Speaker 3: on Friday, Saturday night, or any night where there.

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Speaker 2: Are a lot of people, there's no social behavior.

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Speaker 3: These people that don't tend to hang around if there's

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Speaker 3: light movement, people that go hiding somewhere. Now we've seen

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Speaker 3: there's no sort of behavior down in Spain Lane or

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Speaker 3: down in the way. Little missed career is because there

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Speaker 3: are a lot of people there things happening. You go

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Speaker 3: to the dark spaces in each point and you find

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Speaker 3: out people being stupid and drunk and everything else.

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Speaker 2: The reason we.

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Speaker 3: Want to do that one is because, first of all,

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Speaker 3: activate the lanes they wasted. You go down to Melbourne

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Speaker 3: and you see all the lanes being activated with restaurants

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Speaker 3: and things out and everything else. We actually got a

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Speaker 3: parklet in Mitchell Street, but it seems like everybody done nothing.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we go out with the parklets and we

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Speaker 3: advertise the parklets and here's Darwin with the best weather

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Speaker 3: and it's only one parklet out there. A few a

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Speaker 3: couple of years ago, we put a moratorium on our

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Speaker 3: door fish not one new application for our door dining,

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Speaker 3: not one. And I mean thinking, guys, you've got the

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Speaker 3: best place in the world, the best weather in the world,

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Speaker 3: and you don't want to actually put the activation fish

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Speaker 3: and people says, oh, you're charging them.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not charging them.

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Speaker 1: Actually it can be an impediment for people then if

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Speaker 1: they are king to sort of expand out into that area.

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Speaker 1: And I get what you're saying that you know it

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Speaker 1: is council land, but the council actually do things a

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Speaker 1: little bit differently so that they're not being charged so

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Speaker 1: that they can activate those areas in the way that.

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Speaker 3: You're talking about high council land and they pay rent

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Speaker 3: which actually compared to what they pay for their properties,

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Speaker 3: it's minimal. At the same time they get all the

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Speaker 3: sets from the council.

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Speaker 1: To be a minimal in the sense that they're only

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Speaker 1: using it at certain times the day. It's not as

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Speaker 1: if it's closed in area where they're you know they're

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Speaker 1: there all the time. It is at certain times the day.

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Speaker 1: But you know the council is saying you want those

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Speaker 1: areas activated, so why not make it cheaper for them

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Speaker 1: to activate it? Like the Palmerston Council said, they're going.

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Speaker 2: To do well.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how many people got outdoors in Palmerston,

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Speaker 3: but I don't really know about that.

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Speaker 2: And our.

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Speaker 3: Charges are minimal. But at the same time you have

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Speaker 3: to remember they occupy footpaths. We had before double charge.

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Speaker 3: We're charging for the footpath and the car park in

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Speaker 3: front of them. We remove that one, so we actually

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Speaker 3: cut already in half. Whether we're being before. I can't

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Speaker 3: give you the exact price. I can bring it with

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Speaker 3: me next time and tell you how much they paid

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Speaker 3: a squadmeter things. It's a very very minimal price for

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Speaker 1: But are you paying it like per week? Are you

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Speaker 1: paying it like is it a rental thing like you

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Speaker 1: do with you know, with your rent if you're leasing

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Speaker 1: out of the.

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Speaker 2: Pay, it's a fit they have to pay for rending

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Speaker 2: public land.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be interested to know exactly how much it

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Speaker 1: is and what kind of you know, whether it is

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Speaker 1: causing a bit of an impediment for some of those

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Speaker 1: businesses when you talk about activating those spaces.

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Speaker 3: Well, peop complained was quite rightly before that you with

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Speaker 3: double charge them and we'll remove that one.

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Speaker 2: And since then we haven't received any complaint at all.

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Speaker 1: So con let's talk more about exactly what is planned

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Speaker 1: here with the activation of these different laneways and small streets.

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Speaker 1: I know that we spoke to Paul Kirby about it yesterday.

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Speaker 1: He had said that it's going to be a good

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Speaker 1: thing that you know, like I touched on a little

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Speaker 1: anti social behavior. I mean, what do you reckon the

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Speaker 1: activation is going to do, Katie.

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Speaker 3: We've got o disocial behavior inside Kazu Shopping Square. So

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Speaker 3: that's social behavior is not limited only in the open spaces.

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Speaker 3: Let's far it and of behavior is bloody cares at

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Speaker 3: the moment and we're dealing with that, and I think

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Speaker 3: a lot of other cities in Australia dealing with.

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Speaker 2: That post COVID. We have a I don't know what

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Speaker 3: It's people got funny, we've got wild people got scubid.

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Speaker 2: But that's what's happening.

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Speaker 3: But again, and that was usked yesterday to the Chief

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Speaker 3: Minister about as behavior and my answer is put more

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Speaker 3: police on the streets and you see how quickly disappears.

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Speaker 3: At the same time, what we want to do. We

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Speaker 3: want that place. It's got nine car parks at the moment,

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Speaker 3: and that's it, and bitchamen, we will remove the car

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Speaker 3: parks and we'll put it's the people that've got restaurants,

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Speaker 3: put your chairs and there.

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Speaker 1: Exactly will obey where those nine car parks are going

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Speaker 1: to be removed.

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Speaker 3: If you look at the Hilton Hotel in Mitchell Street,

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Speaker 2: Other restaurant were nine.

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Speaker 1: Car parks and what will look like they're so how

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Speaker 1: do you envisage it's going to be activated.

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Speaker 3: Well, I want trees, I want shrubbery, I want that

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Speaker 3: garden bed whi's got three frenchypan is to actually be

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Speaker 3: more green, to more attractive and certainly things like you

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Speaker 3: do see in Italy people sitting on the footpaths and

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Speaker 3: bringing coffee and having coffee.

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Speaker 1: But the cafes or the restaurants that are there are

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Speaker 1: going to have to pay obviously to have those tables

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Speaker 3: Something to be negotiated with them and the council because

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Speaker 3: it depends what they want to do. If they want

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Speaker 3: to actually have one or two tables out instead of

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Speaker 3: actually occupying four hundred squaremeters, that would be different fee.

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Speaker 1: And so you reckon though that you know that they're

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Speaker 1: going to be up for paying those fees, because that's

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Speaker 1: what I'm getting to. It's the council side you want

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Speaker 1: to activate those areas.

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Speaker 3: Single city in Australia, a major city, it charges our

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Speaker 3: fresh coffees, which is actually a charge for rending public

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Speaker 1: All right, well, it doesn't sound like the council is

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Speaker 1: prepared to budge on the on those fees. In terms

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Speaker 1: of the outdoor dining areas. It's something that you guys

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Speaker 1: are staying in stead on.

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Speaker 2: Well, we have to actually raise money.

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Speaker 3: We can't go on deficit by law, we have to

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Speaker 3: actually have a balanced budget in order for us to

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Speaker 3: provide ourselves, who provide the community somehow we have to

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Speaker 3: find money. We can't photor copy them. We have to

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Speaker 3: raise them. And it's user pay principle. It's actually happens

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Speaker 3: to other things. If you actually will prepare to hire

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Speaker 3: something or to rent something, you have to pay for it.

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Speaker 1: So tell us what's the council contributing when it does

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Speaker 1: come to these announcements.

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Speaker 3: Well, by nine removing nine car parks, we're losing quite

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Speaker 3: a bit of money daily because this car park, if

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Speaker 3: you go there, it always full. So it's significant hit

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Speaker 3: in our budget. But at the same time we got

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Speaker 3: quite happy to accept that one if we are going

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Speaker 3: to activate the area. And the other thing is if

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Speaker 3: you see in front of Hilton, there's a garden bed

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Speaker 3: which doesn't look the best. But now I'm talking to

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Speaker 3: the guys that around the Hilton and I had a

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Speaker 3: very informal discussion.

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Speaker 2: They said, yes, they're got happy to actually spend some

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Speaker 1: All right, So it'll be sort of on those gardens,

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Speaker 1: on beautifying that area and removing the car car. Yes,

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Speaker 1: any idea how much it's going to take away revenue wise,

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Speaker 1: like a week or a year.

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Speaker 3: Well, remember it's about two dollars fifty an hour time,

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Speaker 3: nine time, eight hours time, three hundred and sixty five

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Speaker 2: It's quite a significant amount of money.

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Speaker 1: Now. Con tell me just on one of the other

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Speaker 1: things that we're talking about towards the end of last week,

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Speaker 1: and it's something that we had some quite positive feedback,

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Speaker 1: and that was about security around the CBD. I thought

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Speaker 1: it was the Rapid Order Response Unit. I think they're called. Now,

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Speaker 1: is that your crew or is that the government?

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Speaker 3: Now that's actually a cooperation between the government, the council.

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Speaker 3: Government puts about a million dollars with about half a

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Speaker 3: million dollars and the people going around, they're highly visible.

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Speaker 2: You see them there night. It's quite right.

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Speaker 3: But again as I did before, these guys are actually

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Speaker 3: they are there, they're visible, and they heavy function the

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Speaker 3: deterring people committing our dis Social Behavior Act. Their solution

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Speaker 3: tell that they need people. They're looking around their rosters.

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Speaker 3: They're looking around the sick leave. Yesterday I heard the

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Speaker 3: president of the police association they need to hand them

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Speaker 3: more police. I expect the government will do something because

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Speaker 3: they do have a problem in their hands and they

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Speaker 3: have to address it.

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Speaker 1: Con tell us before I let you go this morning.

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Speaker 1: Cyclone clean up it is when is it casing Underwin?

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Speaker 3: Well this time of the year again, guys, get ready

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Speaker 3: to find out what's loose on your garden. What you

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Speaker 3: got your share that you want to get rid and

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Speaker 3: you put it in your front loan the verbs. If

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Speaker 3: you live in AlOH Anula bringing casualin Native Wagaman, you

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Speaker 3: know the suburbs that's Zone one. The cyclone cleanup will

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Speaker 3: start on the fourth to the fifteenth of September. Don't

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Speaker 3: put your and what it gots out yet, just put

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Speaker 3: it the beginning of the day, like the fourth of

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Speaker 3: the night before the fourth and certainly Zone two, which

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Speaker 3: actually the suburbs towards the Darwin City.

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Speaker 2: It will be from the eighteen twenty nine September.

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Speaker 3: So paint, no fuel, no batteries, no dangers, good, no chemicals,

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Speaker 3: just the usual stuff that you want to get rid of.

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Speaker 2: And when managed to actually put on a car.

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Speaker 3: Take the tip like the old baby cost that you

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Speaker 3: haven't used for the past and the years, the high

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Speaker 3: chef from the kid that's now thirty years old, and

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Speaker 3: some of the pains that you haven't used or you're

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Speaker 3: not going to use because the kids are too small

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Speaker 3: for the next generation. The other thing, of course, he

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Speaker 3: is to happen with Darwin. You might help somebody to

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Speaker 3: actually create his new household.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, you expect people to be walking

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Speaker 1: around the streets looking to pick up some of the

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Speaker 1: stuff that you want from the I know sometimes it's crazy,

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Speaker 1: isn't it, But I suppose it helps in terms of

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Speaker 1: the council. They're not having to pick it all up.

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Speaker 3: The good news is separate them put luck would like,

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Speaker 3: because then it's easier for us to take the ones

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Speaker 3: that go to the tip to go to the tip.

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Speaker 2: The others don't have to go to the tip.

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Speaker 3: They go to HPA Help People Achieve and this non

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Speaker 3: gamed organizations who help people with disabilities can recycle them

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Speaker 3: through their shop in the tip when there the other day.

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Speaker 3: And it's amazing what can find from computer speakers, the

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Speaker 1: It's unbelievable bit of everything. Contact Scarlets, the Lord Mayor

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Speaker 1: of Darwin. Always good to catch up with you. Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for your time this morning, my pleasure, Katie.

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Speaker 1: Thank you,