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Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily OS.

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Speaker 2: Oh now it makes sense.

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Speaker 3: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Wednesday,

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Speaker 3: the twenty fourth of April.

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Speaker 1: I'm Lucy, I'm Billy.

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Speaker 3: When Elon Musk bought Twitter, he promised to make the

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Speaker 3: social media platform a haven for free speech. Tonight, that

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Speaker 3: commitment's going to be challenged in court by the Australian Government,

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Speaker 3: as the e Safety Commissioner has demanded footage of last

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Speaker 3: week's Sydney church stabbing be removed from the platform. We'll

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Speaker 3: explain the controversy and why the free speech argument might

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Speaker 3: not hold up in an Australian court in today's Deep Dive.

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Speaker 3: But first, Billy, what's making headlines.

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Speaker 2: Police have seized almost half a million vapes in the

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Speaker 2: biggest e cigarette bust in Australia's history. Australia's drug regulator,

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Speaker 2: the Therapeutics Goods Administration, and Victoria Police led the bus together.

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Speaker 2: This brings the total number of vapes seized in Australia

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Speaker 2: to over one million. The vapes came from China and

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Speaker 2: have a street value of fifteen million dollars. The import

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Speaker 2: of disposable vapes has been illegal in Australia since the

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Speaker 2: start of this year.

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Speaker 3: Victoria has announced a new Greens leader after former MP

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Speaker 2: So Lucy. Yesterday morning we heard some very strong language

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Speaker 2: come from Australia's Prime Minister Anthony Albanisi about Elon Musk,

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Speaker 1: That's right, We'll.

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Speaker 5: Do what's necessary to take on this arrogant billionaire who

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Speaker 5: What the e Safety Commissioner is doing is is doing

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Speaker 2: So those comments we just heard related to X's which

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Speaker 2: Can you break this all down for us?

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Speaker 1: What is going on?

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Speaker 3: Yes, as we'd all remember, last Monday, police alleged a

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Speaker 3: So first of all, they said the video of the

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Speaker 3: Appears to be that Australia's E Safety Commissioner quote does

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Speaker 2: It's a super interesting case and one that will be

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Speaker 2: because of course this is a global story. Lucy, thank

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Speaker 3: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda

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Speaker 3: Bungelung Kalkadin woman from Gadighl Country.

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Speaker 2: The Daily oz acknowledges that this podcast is recorded on

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Speaker 2: the lands of the Gadighl people and pays respect to

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Speaker 2: all Aboriginal and torrest Rate island and nations.

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Speaker 1: We pay our respects to the first peoples of these countries,

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Speaker 1: both past and present.