Speaker 1: Welcome back, guys to TV Reload. As you may know,
Speaker 1: my name is Benjamin Norris, and I want to thank
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Speaker 1: TV reload spinoff series What to Watch. I am excited
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Speaker 1: podcast this year, where I'll be unpacking and discussing a
Speaker 1: selection of watercolor programs that you may be currently binging
Speaker 1: from around the world. I will be dropping a weekly
Speaker 1: episode on iHeartRadio moving Forward with some hot topics and
Speaker 1: hopefully give you some fun opinions on your favorite shows.
Speaker 1: I have a special guest today, my former co host
Speaker 1: Alana McLean. You may know her from commercial radio, TV
Speaker 1: presenting and also from what I understand, the unofficial queen
Speaker 1: of Western Australian sporting events. Alana McLean is easily one
Speaker 1: of my most fashionable friends, one of my most knowledgeable friends,
Speaker 1: and I often refer to her as the future of
Speaker 1: Australian Housewives. She's not actually on a current series of Housewives,
Speaker 1: but she's definitely going to end up on that series
Speaker 1: at some point. Anyway, Guys, let's all sit back and
Speaker 1: relax as I welcome Alana MacLean to the podcast, and
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy my first weekly what to Watch
Speaker 1: episode of TV Reload. Thank you so much for joining
Speaker 1: me on TV Reload after three years. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: we're just literally now broadcasting our usual conversations.
Speaker 2: Right oh the id. Yeah, we need a gender point,
Speaker 2: We need minutes taken because we do cover a lot
Speaker 2: of ground. Sometimes we end up talking for half an
Speaker 2: hour without anything that we were actually supposed to discuss.
Speaker 1: That's what I love about my friends, especially in my
Speaker 1: friendships with my girlfriends, and that is that I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm in a forever conversation.
Speaker 2: Oh well, I'm so excited that we're getting to do
Speaker 2: this and getting to talk about some of our favorite
Speaker 2: shows that we end up just gas bagging about anyway,
Speaker 2: So it's actually perfect for us.
Speaker 1: Well, each week I'm going to be joined by a
Speaker 1: rotating list of guests that are all my friends, and
Speaker 1: we'll discuss all of the latest TV shows right across
Speaker 1: your freeedoware and streaming services. This week, we're going to
Speaker 1: discuss the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Of course, we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about Maide and Chelsea, which is the
Speaker 1: first sort of semi scripted reality that's kind of come
Speaker 1: to Australia. We'll talk about boy Swallows Universe, which is
Speaker 1: huge on net so I feel like that's the water
Speaker 1: cooler conversation at the everyone's talking about that one. And
Speaker 1: then also we have to dip in on Real Housewives
Speaker 1: of Salt Lake City if we have the time, because.
Speaker 2: Oh, we'll make the time.
Speaker 1: It's a huge talking time. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but let's start with Beverly Hills because that is
Speaker 2: our favorite, so let's dive in there.
Speaker 1: Well, the women are back this year in one of
Speaker 1: the most highly anticipated seasons of the Real Housewives of
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills. I think you'd agree which Australian audiences would
Speaker 1: be watching on binge and Hey you so far season
Speaker 1: thirteen has center this is my take on it, but
Speaker 1: I feel like it's centered around the drama with Kyle
Speaker 1: Richard's marriage breakdown, which is kind of and it had
Speaker 1: been playing out of the press over the twelve months
Speaker 1: leading up into this series. What are your feelings on
Speaker 1: season thirteen so far?
Speaker 2: It's just missing something the Kyle and Maurizio I think
Speaker 2: did come from left field. I wouldn't say anyone was
Speaker 2: expecting that and particularly we've seen their whole relationship over
Speaker 2: the thirteen years. She's very loved up with him. She
Speaker 2: always says, they make their marriage your priorities. Suddenly it's
Speaker 2: just been a complete shift of gears. But I do
Speaker 2: think we've been a little bit spoilt for choice with
Speaker 2: the drama that's ensued over the last couple of years
Speaker 2: with Beverly Hills, because I think we had all the
Speaker 2: Erica Janes' storyline last year, obviously pretty explosive Releasa, Rinna
Speaker 2: and Kathy and the whole Aspen sort of situation. So
Speaker 2: maybe we're just used to having a little bit more
Speaker 2: drama from the Beverly Hills ladies, and then this year
Speaker 2: it's just kind of dialed back down a notch. And
Speaker 2: I think the dynamics between the ladies are a little
Speaker 2: bit strange at the moment as well. I don't know
Speaker 2: if everyone's sort of really clicking.
Speaker 1: I think it does feel fractured, and I think it
Speaker 1: does highlight the fact that Kyle Richards kind of is
Speaker 1: the real queen Bee of the show, and if her
Speaker 1: friendships with the women is fractured, it's very obvious, and
Speaker 1: I think that seems to be where the problem lies,
Speaker 1: because for whatever reason, we'd read through the press that
Speaker 1: she had not been on the group chat talking to
Speaker 1: Drek and Erica and the usual Fox Force five or
Speaker 1: however they were referring to them. So I feel like
Speaker 1: that is bleeding into the show in a way, and
Speaker 1: then having to bring in someone who is so dominant
Speaker 1: like Sutton and Garcelle, they sort of taking up the
Speaker 1: line's share of the content.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's true, and I think it's particularly with
Speaker 2: Sutton as well. It's sort of drama, but it's erratic drama,
Speaker 2: Like it's not easy to watch. It's like watching someone
Speaker 2: have an episode and then the next week they're fine
Speaker 2: again and you're like, oh, I kind of like this Sutton,
Speaker 2: and then the next week there's something crazy again. So
Speaker 2: it's sort of not storyline drama. It's just someone who
Speaker 2: is a little bit left of center and you never
Speaker 2: know what you're going to get. I really don't think
Speaker 2: I'm on ball with Sudden. I keep going back and forth,
Speaker 2: but I think I've decided I'm just not there with her.
Speaker 2: I think Garcel's done well to earn her diamond over
Speaker 2: the years. I quite enjoy her. I mean has she
Speaker 2: gone a bit too far with the sort of the education,
Speaker 2: the preachy, the having a dig at Deriat, trying to
Speaker 2: find things to kind of throw at her, rather than
Speaker 2: just I just don't really like you, to be honest,
Speaker 2: you great me. I don't know why, and I just
Speaker 2: don't really want to be friends with you, rather than
Speaker 2: sort of bringing all that other stuff to the table,
Speaker 2: little things, little digs all the time, just to kind
Speaker 2: of put it out there.
Speaker 1: But do you think I like that? That's where you're
Speaker 1: going with that, And I appreciate your take, But I
Speaker 1: also wonder whether or not to read as low hanging
Speaker 1: fruit for Garcel, because I don't know whether any of
Speaker 1: the other women would roll over as fast as dread
Speaker 1: It has done.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, that's a good point.
Speaker 1: Had she taken Erica Jane out for that lunch and
Speaker 1: then tried to school her, I don't think Erica would
Speaker 1: have been able to hold back like I think that
Speaker 1: was painful to watch that breakfast that we saw them
Speaker 1: have or it was a lunch, I can't remember now,
Speaker 1: but it was painful to watch the interaction between the
Speaker 1: two of them, because you know, Garcell didn't feel like
Speaker 1: she was she didn't come across to the audience like
Speaker 1: she was being that authentic And why wasn't Duret just
Speaker 1: saying fuck you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, but when you play the race card, you can't.
Speaker 2: She was cornered into a situation where she couldn't say
Speaker 2: fuck you, and that was basically it what I just
Speaker 2: was not. And I think she'll get pulled up on
Speaker 2: these at the reunion. I'd be surprised if she didn't.
Speaker 2: She made such a big deal and in her confessionals
Speaker 2: that you can't label women black women, angry, aggressive, you
Speaker 2: can't say the word attack very much, saying they are
Speaker 2: labeling words and they're derogatory and they're not okay. But
Speaker 2: then she sat at the lunch and she labeled to
Speaker 2: read as a Karen and then she said about her
Speaker 2: privilege and she was throwing around labels like it was
Speaker 2: no problem at all. So I think if you're going
Speaker 2: to play that game, they have to be very careful
Speaker 2: how you play it because all that stuff, as we know,
Speaker 2: is going to get roll back at the reunion and
Speaker 2: she's going to have a lot to answer for.
Speaker 1: You know, what are your thoughts on Sutton and Garcelle
Speaker 1: really becoming a mouthpiece for the super fans and the
Speaker 1: community that's grown there, because a lot of people are
Speaker 1: saying that those women aren't just being themselves, they're taking
Speaker 1: too much interest in what the lynch mob, I guess,
Speaker 1: is saying online and then they're voicing those things. Do
Speaker 1: you think that that's still happening.
Speaker 2: Well, they've been accused of that sort of since the
Speaker 2: get go, haven't they very very strong sort of fan
Speaker 2: base on x Twitter? So I don't know. It's I
Speaker 2: think that would make sense why Sutton has these crazy
Speaker 2: moments and then she pulls it back. Crazy moments and
Speaker 2: then she pulls it back. If that is the kind
Speaker 2: of temperature check that she's taking in regards to her behavior,
Speaker 2: like you've gone too far, pull it back, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: be surprised. I feel like they definitely came in wanting
Speaker 2: to really build their fan base, and I guess that's
Speaker 2: one way to do it.
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting. I remember a casting person who
Speaker 1: was doing I'm a Celebrity was saying to me about
Speaker 1: how not to cast someone that's going to gazump a series,
Speaker 1: and I remember them specifically talking about Osha Ginsburg and
Speaker 1: saying that he's a bit kookie, and he's also very
Speaker 1: opinionated and has them out their opinions, and that, whilst
Speaker 1: that's a very rich character to throw into the mix,
Speaker 1: it would gazump the whole show. And I feel like
Speaker 1: we're at that point now with sudden is her cookiness
Speaker 1: gazumping this whole show? Is there a possibility we're running
Speaker 1: the risk of jumping shark with Housewives because of it?
Speaker 2: They just haven't had much to go on this season,
Speaker 2: so you sort of wonder whether they've just made something
Speaker 2: more out of that, because they are really are at
Speaker 2: a loss, and I think, you know, bringing back all
Speaker 2: these people, Denise, I mean, that was just painful to
Speaker 2: watch that Denise Erica thing. I mean, what even was
Speaker 2: that Camille? We're seeing a bit of Kim Richards. I mean,
Speaker 2: it does feel like they're clutching at straws to bring
Speaker 2: anyone back to the meats that might, you know, be
Speaker 2: appealing for next week's trailer that gets people back into watch,
Speaker 2: when really this Kyle Richard's storyline with Mauricio is the
Speaker 2: strongest one that they've had. Everything else is a bit
Speaker 2: by the wayside. They're trying to make something out of
Speaker 2: this Crystal and mar thing and the esophaga thing. I mean,
Speaker 2: that is the most stupid storyline since since Dodgegate or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, any of those.
Speaker 2: So, I don't know. I think they're just struggling. So
Speaker 2: maybe that's why we're seeing a bit more of Sutton's cookiness,
Speaker 2: because they're just like, we need something.
Speaker 1: Do you remember I was catching up last year while
Speaker 1: they're filming this series, and I said to you, I've
Speaker 1: heard that they've put the show on pause, told them
Speaker 1: all that basically nothing has happened so far, and that
Speaker 1: they're brought in Denise, Richards, Camille and in. And remember
Speaker 1: I was like, they've brought these three in and you
Speaker 1: were like, yes, you know, if they've brought those women in,
Speaker 1: all three of those women, this show must have been
Speaker 1: quite weak to grab those three women who are so noisy.
Speaker 2: Well, that's right, and I think we're really for me personally,
Speaker 2: I'm really feeling that loss of Lisa Renner. I think
Speaker 2: just the feistiness, the humor, the quick wit, the fashion,
Speaker 2: the sort of ability to kind of get in there
Speaker 2: and sort of poke the bear a little bit where
Speaker 2: it needs to be poked. I think, Eric ha, it's
Speaker 2: great to see her having a bit of a redemption season,
Speaker 2: but she does seem a little bit lost without her friends,
Speaker 2: so I sort of wonder how much long is she's
Speaker 2: going to be on the show as well.
Speaker 1: Well, I just think that they have to bring Lisa
Speaker 1: Renna back. I mean, how much of that absence of
Speaker 1: Lisa Renna from season thirteen is affecting everyone's overall enjoyment
Speaker 1: because I'd like to take people to task over the
Speaker 1: anti Renner fans. Weren't they loving to hate her? Like?
Speaker 1: Were they really wanting her completely gone? Because they've got
Speaker 1: their way now and it's pretty damn clear that you're
Speaker 1: missing your PG villain who's ready to ask people questions
Speaker 1: and hold them to account.
Speaker 2: I completely agree, and I don't think there's necessarily anyone
Speaker 2: playing that.
Speaker 1: Role now maybe sudden, I don't know, Like, do you
Speaker 1: think somethin maybe doing that. I think Sutton spent a
Speaker 1: long time coming after Renner for playing that villain role.
Speaker 1: But I actually starting to think that Ston's just as guilty,
Speaker 1: or if not worse than Rinna with some of her
Speaker 1: takedowns and some of her lack of awareness, And yeah.
Speaker 2: Well I think that's why. Honestly, That's probably why when
Speaker 2: you ask something like that, I've gone, oh yeah, okay, Sutton,
Speaker 2: she answers some questions or whatever, but it's like, when
Speaker 2: I'm watching her, I'm not really taking her that seriously,
Speaker 2: And because the next episode, like last night, she was
Speaker 2: all back chumming with Kyle and whatever, but then we
Speaker 2: just saw too were ago they went even talking, she
Speaker 2: was throwing those accusations that are at the dinner table.
Speaker 2: Kyle was really pissed off with her, and then it
Speaker 2: all seems to go away. Whereas with Lisa, I sort
Speaker 2: of feel like if she was going to have an
Speaker 2: agenda and sort of be like, right, it's on, she
Speaker 2: wasn't like that, And so I sort of feel like
Speaker 2: Sutton is in this weird flip floppy universe where she
Speaker 2: just says whatever comes into her head, but then the
Speaker 2: next week it's fine. So I don't know whether I
Speaker 2: take her seriously enough in that role, and I don't
Speaker 2: know whether she's got enough a long gear ready to
Speaker 2: play that card.
Speaker 1: Ongoing, what about dere do you think is Dreed still
Speaker 1: relevant in this series? Because I don't necessarily see how
Speaker 1: she's going to I mean, she clearly needs the paycheck.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, how long is she going to
Speaker 1: stay in that marriage. I don't think I'd be staying
Speaker 1: in that marriage, to be honest. Even whilst they're unpacking
Speaker 1: the troubles in their marriage, they both just don't seem
Speaker 1: well suited. Do you think she should be reduced to
Speaker 1: like a friend of the show in series fourteenth?
Speaker 2: I think she is on borrowed time. But I think look,
Speaker 2: she played her role perfectly. She was sort of not
Speaker 2: polar I mean she was a little bit at the start,
Speaker 2: she sort of ruffled a few feathers, but when she
Speaker 2: was sitting in that Fox Force five I guess dynamic
Speaker 2: she was the sort of one that wasn't too polarizing.
Speaker 2: She fit in nicely. She obviously had that really strong
Speaker 2: friendship with Kyle. We loved sort of seeing, you know,
Speaker 2: their friendship. Yeah, outside of the show, the fashion obviously
Speaker 2: a huge part because that's been lacking a little bit.
Speaker 2: It's sort of a scary one to think about when
Speaker 2: you start to unravel that thread because Lisa's gone, and
Speaker 2: then you go, okay, well where there is dereet fit
Speaker 2: Eric has seems like she's floating a little bit. I mean,
Speaker 2: this could be the beginning of the end.
Speaker 1: But you know what's interesting, They've got this glamour shot
Speaker 1: of direct in the opening credits where we see her
Speaker 1: leaning across this balcony. But don't you think it kind
Speaker 1: of looked like she was at a ghetto? Like it was.
Speaker 2: But you know that was the Beverly Hilton Hotel because
Speaker 2: that's where they were having the charity event the Homeless.
Speaker 2: Oh god, I have to say it right now. I
Speaker 2: was not toothless. That was where they were having the gala.
Speaker 2: And those were the photos that she took on the
Speaker 2: balcony before she went down for the gala, And I
Speaker 2: was like, Beverly Hilton really needs to.
Speaker 1: Look at paint. Like, do you remember those old commission
Speaker 1: houses that were like in South Yarra sort of close.
Speaker 2: To you where I lived?
Speaker 1: Yeah, me, where you lived, but there was makes it
Speaker 1: sound like you were living in the ghetto. You were
Speaker 1: certainly not, but beautiful apartment that you lived in, but
Speaker 1: right next to those ghettos. That's kind of what it
Speaker 1: looked like. It looked like she was at the ghetto.
Speaker 2: Even like last night when they you know, had the
Speaker 2: episode and they were doing the walkaround and then PK saying,
Speaker 2: oh the carpet, you know, can we do anything about
Speaker 2: that in five days? So maybe it's just a little
Speaker 2: bit outdated, but I mean certainly iconic.
Speaker 1: Wasn't it you that said to me the other day
Speaker 1: about the hair as well, about she can't afford to
Speaker 1: have that blonde hair anymore? She's really going back.
Speaker 2: Oh she's cutting back. I mean it's grown on me
Speaker 2: a little bit, the darker hair. But I don't think
Speaker 2: she's having the same VavaVoom impact that we've seen over
Speaker 2: the previous years, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I agree. We'll just touching on some
Speaker 1: of the things that happened in Bitter Pill to Swallow,
Speaker 1: which was so twelve. I guess that's whatever it'll be
Speaker 1: discussing this week. Anne Marie had a lot of people
Speaker 1: on the wood.
Speaker 2: I'd say, half the time people are calling her Anna Marie,
Speaker 2: And then I was like, isn't it Anne Marie? And
Speaker 2: then the credits say Anne Marie. But listen carefully. I
Speaker 2: would love to hear what people think. Half the time
Speaker 2: people are calling her Anna Marie, and it's very confusing, But.
Speaker 1: It's Anne Marie. Her name is Anne Marie Wiley.
Speaker 2: Listen when they say it, they say, Anna Marie, Oh.
Speaker 1: Well, I've really got to go check you.
Speaker 2: I mean, who cares? Really do we care about her?
Speaker 2: And do we care about Crystal and Jeff, her brother.
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, if you were looking for anything even
Speaker 2: worse than the Esophaga storyline is Crystal and her brother Jeff.
Speaker 1: You can imagine that's producers on the sidelines just saying
Speaker 1: to Crystal, Okay, you know you really should have been
Speaker 1: five three seasons ago. You're going to need to say
Speaker 1: something to Anna Marie or however you want to call her.
Speaker 1: You're going to need to call her a bitch or
Speaker 1: a slader, a cunt. And Crystal clearly looked uncomfortable, even
Speaker 1: being as savage as she was, didn't you think, like
Speaker 1: she said it, and she looked like she was like, yes,
Speaker 1: is that enough? Is that what I'm supposed to do?
Speaker 2: Like? Yeah, I agree, I agree. It seemed forced, It
Speaker 2: seemed out of place. Nothing we've seen from her in
Speaker 2: three years would indicate that she would just start calling
Speaker 2: someone a bitch of black tie event loudly. You know,
Speaker 2: it didn't seem like her, but who she is just
Speaker 2: isn't that And I think after three years, I mean,
Speaker 2: you've got to really question her place.
Speaker 1: Ongoing, especially seeing as we don't have Teddy Mellencamp, who's
Speaker 1: genuinely Kyle's best friend, like as in, where's think a
Speaker 1: genuine connection through to Kyle, who, by the way, no
Speaker 1: matter what you think of Teddy Mellencamp would certainly be
Speaker 1: unearthing things on camera with Kyle to do with this relationship,
Speaker 1: you know, with the fall down of Marizio and you know,
Speaker 1: this girlfriend. Like, I think that Teddy Mellencamp right now
Speaker 1: is the right person to try and bring more out
Speaker 1: of Kyle about the truth about what's happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we see, we saw her last week at
Speaker 2: Loreene's celebration of life event. I mean, she's still very
Speaker 2: much in Kyle's life all the time. I think the
Speaker 2: producers seem obviously reluctant to give her any more screen
Speaker 2: like to give Denise or someone more screen time than
Speaker 2: what they're giving Teddy. Knowing that Teddy is Kyle's best
Speaker 2: friend and Kyle's gone through this tumultuous year, I don't
Speaker 2: think we're going to be seeing her back anytime soon.
Speaker 2: They obviously just for whatever reason, don't want to give
Speaker 2: her the airtime.
Speaker 1: Would you one of my favorite housewives ever? And people
Speaker 1: come for me?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I agree? And she was really integral to that
Speaker 2: whole Denise Richard's Brandy expose, Like she was the one
Speaker 2: that basically said around that table when they are in
Speaker 2: Rome or whatever, like this is what happened. She said,
Speaker 2: you had sex, blah blah blah blah blah. Did you
Speaker 2: say these things about me? Did you say these things
Speaker 2: about the other women? I don't think she was afraid
Speaker 2: to getting there at all. And then I think listening
Speaker 2: to her sins, she has more found her voice. I
Speaker 2: think she's more confident, even has more conviction. It would
Speaker 2: be interesting to bring the likes of her back with
Speaker 2: a Lisa Rinner and then really see what happened.
Speaker 1: Then well, that's what the series needs right now. I
Speaker 1: think you need Kathy Kim Kyle in one series. You
Speaker 1: need the authenticity of the.
Speaker 2: Fact happy you'll never come back. She will never come back.
Speaker 2: I just think she's done. I think she got exposed
Speaker 2: a little bit for the true person that she is,
Speaker 2: and I don't think that's how she was trying to
Speaker 2: present herself on that show. And I just don't think
Speaker 2: she would risk that ever. Again.
Speaker 1: Fair to say though at this point though with Paris
Speaker 1: and Love season two, she ain't coming off that great
Speaker 1: on that series either. Like I don't see her understanding
Speaker 1: reality television the way that I feel like she thought.
Speaker 1: When we'd get a taste of her over the years
Speaker 1: with Housewives, where she'd turn up, you think, oh, this
Speaker 1: woman understands control, She understands those cameras are playing. But
Speaker 1: then with Paris and Love and her two seasons on Housewives,
Speaker 1: she's kind of clueless as to how she's coming out.
Speaker 2: And I think the producers when she was a friend
Speaker 2: of and we just saw those little comedic sort of
Speaker 2: brinklings throughout the show where she wasn't sort of front
Speaker 2: and center in any of the drama. She'd sort of
Speaker 2: rock up in her quirky hats and you know, funny
Speaker 2: songs or whatever, and everyone have a laugh and a
Speaker 2: caviar and potato and whatever. But then when she really
Speaker 2: got exposed, I think for some of her true personality traits,
Speaker 2: and if you watch Paris in Love season one, you
Speaker 2: see how controlling and domineering she sort of is over
Speaker 2: Paris's wedding and you know, she obviously got very upset
Speaker 2: about Paris hiding the pregnancy from her with the sarrogate
Speaker 2: in series two. I think that's just genuinely who she is.
Speaker 2: And I think when Lisa Rinner maybe it was slightly embellished,
Speaker 2: but I think the truth of the matter is she
Speaker 2: did have a meltdown that night in Aspen. She wasn't
Speaker 2: expecting it to get called out in any capacity, and
Speaker 2: so when it did and the whole thing blew up,
Speaker 2: and obviously not talking to Kyle for months after that,
Speaker 2: I just don't think she'll ever come back and put
Speaker 2: herself in that situation again where she is likely to
Speaker 2: look worse.
Speaker 1: I don't understand Kathy's popularity as well. Like I enjoyed
Speaker 1: the kookiness and some of the one line the hunky
Speaker 1: Dory and sleeping with the fan on, when you know
Speaker 1: that's kind of poverty porn for what we'd expect of her.
Speaker 1: You know, you'd expect that she's so wealthy, she'd have
Speaker 1: like Frank Sinatra back from the dead yodeling to her
Speaker 1: to sleep. I think she'd have a Kmart fan that
Speaker 1: she's dragging around the country so she could sleep at night.
Speaker 1: I wasn't even sold by that. But look, and I
Speaker 1: just want to finish on one thing. And that was
Speaker 1: the text between you and I last night in regards
Speaker 1: to Kyle and Maurizio and how awkward that car ride was.
Speaker 1: What is going on with that?
Speaker 2: What's she just seems done? She just seems done. And
Speaker 2: to be honest, I think I think something's happened with Maurizio.
Speaker 2: We've heard rumblings about this. I'd certainly heard rumblings about
Speaker 2: this through some contacts that I'd had for years, and
Speaker 2: I think something more has gone down with him. And
Speaker 2: I think she doesn't want to throw him under the
Speaker 2: bus because of his business and him filming the show
Speaker 2: and their daughters are on their show buying Beverly Hills,
Speaker 2: and she's having to keep quiet. But that anger and
Speaker 2: resembment is just seething out of every poor in her body,
Speaker 2: and I just think she I don't know if they're
Speaker 2: going to come back from that. I just really can't
Speaker 2: at this point in time, I can't see it happening
Speaker 2: at all. Regardless of the Morgan Wade thing. I think
Speaker 2: she is done with Maurizio, at least for the time being.
Speaker 2: She is pissed.
Speaker 1: Morgan Wade drives me wild, like I can't see the chemistry,
Speaker 1: Like I wish we could see something there to believe
Speaker 1: the friendship. Make a clear cut decision on whether it's
Speaker 1: a relationship.
Speaker 2: To me, I all does seem very giggly, and she
Speaker 2: does seem very starstruck by her. I don't know whether
Speaker 2: it's necessarily in a relationship. Ye, I want to be
Speaker 2: with you kind of way. But it's like if you,
Speaker 2: you know, like if you were friends with someone really
Speaker 2: famous or something and you're really starstruck by them, You're like,
Speaker 2: I can't believe they're friends with me. She's got that
Speaker 2: weird energy going on for sure.
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Speaker 1: long running UK based semi scripted reality series are all
Speaker 1: thrilled to be here in Australia checking out our Sydney
Speaker 1: Harbor now. In episode one, they climbed the Sydney Harbor Bridge.
Speaker 1: Not something I've ever done, but I guess very touristy.
Speaker 1: They hopped onto a fabulous yacht. I don't think I've
Speaker 1: done that either, definitely topped up my ten though on
Speaker 1: Bondi Beach. But will the drama of the twenty sixth
Speaker 1: series follow them to down Under? And will it translate?
Speaker 1: So have you been like, do you think semi scripted
Speaker 1: reality is not for Australia? Do you? Because we haven't
Speaker 1: really had it. We kind of had Byron Bays and
Speaker 1: that kind of had a bit of a cult success,
Speaker 1: but it certainly didn't lift and they didn't make another
Speaker 1: series of it. But do you think semi scripted's too
Speaker 1: late to be here in Australia.
Speaker 2: I just don't know whether Australia ad buys it, do
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? I think we're just a
Speaker 2: little bit too cut through the bull sheet and I
Speaker 2: think we've got enough sort of reality shows getting produced
Speaker 2: here that people have been more invested in. I don't
Speaker 2: know if you would bring that format in, whether it's
Speaker 2: a bit too late. There's too much going on, We've
Speaker 2: got a lot of choices. Do we really need something
Speaker 2: else there in the meex And I will say I
Speaker 2: just felt really old watching that show, Like, honest to god,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, because you know, the
Speaker 2: whole sort of premise of what they talk about. All
Speaker 2: they talk about is their relationships within each other, who's
Speaker 2: with who, and then who's single and we're excited to
Speaker 2: be single? And I was like, oh my god, I
Speaker 2: just never felt older. So I don't think it's something
Speaker 2: that I'll be investing in ongoing.
Speaker 1: But do you think this show is made for us
Speaker 1: or do you think this is still being made for
Speaker 1: the UK? Because I've got to the UK, it's being
Speaker 1: made for the UK. It's kind of like they've gone
Speaker 1: semi scripted Home and Away in BONDI go and then
Speaker 1: throwing some money at it because I can see how
Speaker 1: the UK people might enjoy that, but I just don't
Speaker 1: see how anyone in Australia is going to want to
Speaker 1: jump on this show.
Speaker 2: I think it's definitely still been made for the UK.
Speaker 2: They've obviously built a you know, I was solid following
Speaker 2: over the years, and they're the people that want to
Speaker 2: be like, oh, we can see a bit of the
Speaker 2: Sydney sort of you know, beach and the Harbor Bridge,
Speaker 2: and we can have a little bit of sprinkling of
Speaker 2: looking at all that while we're watching these characters. But really,
Speaker 2: I mean the storyline's going to be the same wherever
Speaker 2: you put that show.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what they're trying to do. They're trying
Speaker 1: to warm us up for the fact that there's a
Speaker 1: maiden BONDI that's about to come out. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you had heard about this. Well, there's a Bond
Speaker 1: DI version that will be fully set in Australia with
Speaker 1: Australians all of that same age brackets. So this is
Speaker 1: supposed to be our little step into this space. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Were you excited then to see what we
Speaker 1: can do with Maide in Bonde?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think to your point, we sort
Speaker 2: of had a little taste of it with Bays and
Speaker 2: that it didn't it didn't really get the traction. They
Speaker 2: didn't pick it back up. So I mean, they might
Speaker 2: have another go with this. It'd be interesting to see
Speaker 2: if it gains anymore attention. But it's certainly not something
Speaker 2: that I would be overly excited for. But we're probably
Speaker 2: not the right people for it either.
Speaker 1: They'll probably sell that overseas, But I think that with
Speaker 1: Byron Bays, the real issue there was having some cast
Speaker 1: members in there that weren't being authentically themselves. I think
Speaker 1: because of the nature of that show semi scripting it,
Speaker 1: you have to be really that person to be controlled
Speaker 1: in that universe to make it relatable. And with Byron Bays,
Speaker 1: there was two or three people in there that were
Speaker 1: like fudging their Instagram followers. They're fudging their last style
Speaker 1: and that is really how you upset the apple card
Speaker 1: at a semi scripted show.
Speaker 2: Well, that's right, you're not going to get the buying
Speaker 2: and the people that I can imagine that watch those shows,
Speaker 2: they're really obsessed with those shows. So if you start
Speaker 2: showing any cracks in that sort of social media or
Speaker 2: just in your authenticity, I think there's going to be
Speaker 2: people that are just straight onto picking that up.
Speaker 1: I've never missed an episode of The Only Way as
Speaker 1: ESX TOI and I once asked you if you'd seen
Speaker 1: any of that, you know a few years ago, and
Speaker 1: we realized there'd been thirty seasons, so you were like,
Speaker 1: anybody got time for that? Like I cannot go and series,
Speaker 1: but it was And also I think we've out aged
Speaker 1: it as well, but I've thrived love. I loved that show,
Speaker 1: like Joey Essex, Jem mccollins. There was some iconic people
Speaker 1: that came out of that series that you know, was
Speaker 1: proof that this format worked at some point.
Speaker 2: Well, look, it has had its place and we saw
Speaker 2: that and when look, Jersey sure had a strong following
Speaker 2: here even though that was obviously a UK based show.
Speaker 2: But I would say that's the one that really had
Speaker 2: to cut through with Ozzy audiences. I think, you know,
Speaker 2: you start to have so many to choose from. I mean,
Speaker 2: you only have to look on these streaming networks now
Speaker 2: and particularly how you when you're looking at this sort
Speaker 2: of reality genre, and I mean, honestly, it is so
Speaker 2: overwhelming at times. There is so much to choose from.
Speaker 2: So I think when something has gone a long time
Speaker 2: like that, it's a bit easier to go. I'm just
Speaker 2: going to forget that one. I'll move on to something else.
Speaker 1: But you know, it just a touch on the pilot.
Speaker 1: You know, We Don't Cry in Sydney was the title
Speaker 1: of the first episode, which people can watch on how
Speaker 1: You you know, I struggled to really cannect with a
Speaker 1: lot of these people. Sam Prince, who obviously kind of
Speaker 1: has like top billing of the show, He's in a
Speaker 1: lot of it. He was the one with the blonde
Speaker 1: peroxide of hair, and then I found it it didn't
Speaker 1: seem that authentic. Even his relationship with his best he
Speaker 1: live who's Olivia Bentley who had the short blonde hair.
Speaker 1: I think yeah, but even their bestI relationship and the
Speaker 1: dynamics that were sort of coming out of him, I
Speaker 1: wasn't buying Sam at all, like actually hated him.
Speaker 2: Well, it's just a very strange format because it's sort
Speaker 2: of like it's semi scripted, and so you're like, what
Speaker 2: are the real moments? What are the bits that maybe
Speaker 2: they've been told to say, What are the fights that
Speaker 2: they've been told to kind of drag along? It just
Speaker 2: gets a little bit confusing. So I think that's where
Speaker 2: social media plays such a strong role with shows like that,
Speaker 2: because people want to really be able to go on
Speaker 2: there and be like, well, what's the true story? Are
Speaker 2: they still hanging out? Have they got photos together? This
Speaker 2: and that? Because it's hard sometimes to tell are we
Speaker 2: watching a home and away or are we watching a
Speaker 2: real show?
Speaker 1: Was there anyone that stood out to you? Because I
Speaker 1: felt like there was one girl, which was Laurence Stin's
Speaker 1: and she's her accent sounded like a mix between American,
Speaker 1: English and Australian, but like she's set up to do
Speaker 1: a lot of heavy lifting of this program.
Speaker 2: Yeah she was okay. I didn't mind Ruby the sort
Speaker 2: of short, the short girl with the long, dark hair,
Speaker 2: I think, and they sort of previewed that she's sort
Speaker 2: of got a storyline coming up with an Aussie sort
Speaker 2: of tall, dark and handsome hunks, so we'll see how
Speaker 2: that goes. But yeah, I mean, there are a lot
Speaker 2: of cast members, so you really have to, like me,
Speaker 2: coming into this show as a new viewer, you really
Speaker 2: have to try and get across a lot of different
Speaker 2: people and storylines, and obviously everyone's got these different histories
Speaker 2: and things like that, so it's a little bit much
Speaker 2: to sort of try and you get a full grasp
Speaker 2: of the dynamic in watching only one episode and.
Speaker 1: Then even still with Bell Sharp, you know, I found it.
Speaker 1: I struggled with her dragging her boyfriend as hard as
Speaker 1: she did over the fact that he was helping another
Speaker 1: girl at the airport, Like did you want her interaction
Speaker 1: with her boyfriend and think why are these two together?
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I did not get that relationship at all.
Speaker 2: That seemed very strange. They didn't seem into each other
Speaker 2: at all, and I mean again, that's where I'm like, Okay, well,
Speaker 2: I haven't launched all the other seasons, so maybe there
Speaker 2: was a time where they were good, but certainly wasn't
Speaker 2: picking that up.
Speaker 1: Last night. I was like run to be It was.
Speaker 2: More attracted to probably to the airport luggage, but there
Speaker 2: was just no care.
Speaker 1: There was one guy I haven't even written his name down,
Speaker 1: but he turned up and I turned around and said
Speaker 1: to my partner, Bend, looks like God hasn't finished working
Speaker 1: on that one.
Speaker 2: Savage.
Speaker 1: It was so savage, but I just was like, you
Speaker 1: look like a turtle.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's yeah, I don't think it's just
Speaker 2: not It's just not anything that I'm going to be
Speaker 2: like super invested in. I'm like to watch it from
Speaker 2: time to time now that I've seen the first one,
Speaker 2: but I'm not going to be like hanging on week
Speaker 2: after week.
Speaker 1: I think we feel the exact same way about this show,
Speaker 1: so I look forward to never talking about it again.
Speaker 2: Never.
Speaker 1: So Boyce Swallow's universe is a bit of a different
Speaker 1: conversation because you and I often talking about reality. But
Speaker 1: I definitely put this on the agenda because of the
Speaker 1: popularity of this Netflix series. It has really hit a
Speaker 1: home run with this seven part series, which is based
Speaker 1: on the famous book written by Trent Dalton. The story
Speaker 1: follows a young boy growing up in the suburbs of
Speaker 1: nineteen eighties in Brisbane. He faces the harsh realities of
Speaker 1: life and the looming dangers that threaten his family. Had
Speaker 1: you read any of Trent's books?
Speaker 2: No, I hadn't. I'm not a huge reader of fiction,
Speaker 2: like I read a lot, but it's more like memoirs, biographies,
Speaker 2: true crime. So I haven't read the book at all
Speaker 2: and I didn't know too much about it. But you're
Speaker 2: certainly right. It is definitely the one that everyone is
Speaker 2: talking about.
Speaker 1: Have you ever found a movie of a show that's
Speaker 1: lived up to the book? Because I feel like that's
Speaker 1: never happened to me, where for the first time ever,
Speaker 1: Boyce swallows universe actually to me, lives up to that book.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I've heard people say that that have read the book.
Speaker 2: You're not the only one I've heard say that that
Speaker 2: They were like, oh, it was such a good book,
Speaker 2: it was really iconic. A little bit scared to watch
Speaker 2: the program just in case that we'd sort of ruined
Speaker 2: it full of them that everyone has said what they've
Speaker 2: done has absolutely nailed it. I mean, would you agree
Speaker 2: with that.
Speaker 1: I definitely think it's better. Yeah, I read the book,
Speaker 1: but what I enjoyed more about the series was there
Speaker 1: was a lot more hope, because when I read the
Speaker 1: book it was so bleak. I don't particularly like or
Speaker 1: enjoy reading about children that are being mistreated in any way.
Speaker 1: And there was a couple of Australian books that came
Speaker 1: out that same year that we saw children being treated
Speaker 1: about it or parents not really considering the children, and
Speaker 1: that isn't a fun zone for me to be. And
Speaker 1: I guess I should say in this series they're lightening
Speaker 1: it up with really showing us some amazing nostalgic eighties
Speaker 1: Australian sets and things, and then the music as well,
Speaker 1: like the eighties classic like Ossie rock for me, pub rock.
Speaker 1: I don't look like pub rock, but I'm pub rock.
Speaker 1: That's one of my favorite things to listen to is
Speaker 1: all of that sort of angsty man music that we had.
Speaker 2: Oh oh, it's so good. And I think, you know,
Speaker 2: just talking about the fact that they've lined it up,
Speaker 2: I mean, Felix Cameron what a breakout superstar. Like, I
Speaker 2: know he's been on other things before, but I mean
Speaker 2: I'm only one episode in and I was like, this
Speaker 2: kid has got it. The way he is bringing that
Speaker 2: character to life and everything that you start feeling for
Speaker 2: that character. The casting, they've really got that spot on
Speaker 2: across the board.
Speaker 1: That is some serious heavy lifting for.
Speaker 2: A young activate content.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so much screen time for these boys, and they
Speaker 1: don't slip up at all. There's not a frame where
Speaker 1: you're not believing them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right. I mean having kids of that age,
Speaker 2: and then you know the older brother and his issue
Speaker 2: with the not talking and the trauma that he's obviously experienced.
Speaker 2: And then you've got the younger brother, Eli and he's
Speaker 2: just the center of this whole story. But it's such
Speaker 2: heavy content and the scenes, some of those scenes in
Speaker 2: that first episode are really confronting, and not for one
Speaker 2: second do you sort of snap out of that zone
Speaker 2: of believing his performance absolutely outstanding.
Speaker 1: Do you think our homerown scripted content in Australia is
Speaker 1: more honest and raw.
Speaker 2: I don't know whether it's more honest and raw, but
Speaker 2: I think it just obviously hits us in a different way.
Speaker 2: It lands in a different way I think when you're
Speaker 2: watching an Australian story as an Australian, and I think
Speaker 2: a largely to do with everything we just said, the music,
Speaker 2: the sets, the cars, the setting. I mean, you just
Speaker 2: really see your own little snippets of your own childhood
Speaker 2: or your own landscape of we've traveled around Australia or
Speaker 2: whatever in that and it is that mirror and I
Speaker 2: think that's why it sort of lands differently.
Speaker 1: Well, you watched the first episode last night, so like
Speaker 1: in that first episode we get to see the dynamics
Speaker 1: of Eli and he sort of discovers his relationship with Lyle.
Speaker 1: What did you think about the dynamics between Eli and
Speaker 1: that first episode and Lyle. Do you think he's happy
Speaker 1: that Lyle is with his mother and can sober up
Speaker 1: and do all of those things, or do you think
Speaker 1: he's still very untrusting.
Speaker 2: Well, it's just so it's so complex to watch, isn't it.
Speaker 2: And you're watching it from the viewpoint of a young
Speaker 2: boy who wants to have a father figure, who obviously
Speaker 2: wants to have a stable family life, but knowing that
Speaker 2: all this has gone down in the past, having the
Speaker 2: trauma of that even at such a young age and
Speaker 2: trying to look the other way, I guess to a
Speaker 2: certain degree. But now he's starting to get those concerns
Speaker 2: back that things might not be as rosy as what
Speaker 2: they should be. And you're just watching that all sort
Speaker 2: of play out and the complexities of that, And you know,
Speaker 2: I've always been lucky to be in a stable household,
Speaker 2: but I can imagine for a lot of people watching
Speaker 2: that that would resonate with a lot of viewers, because
Speaker 2: you know, everyone's got their own stories to tell. So
Speaker 2: maybe not so much with the drug sort of storyline,
Speaker 2: but just the instability and the complexity of those sort
Speaker 2: of fly relationship.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, they're telling that story really well. We're
Speaker 1: going to move on to what we cannot not talk about,
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City. We cannot not talk about Salt Lake City.
Speaker 1: I should saying full disclosure. You'd been telling me to
Speaker 1: watch this now for two years, I'd say, yep. And
Speaker 1: so I was talking to my friend Philip with an
Speaker 1: f who you'd know, and he said to me the
Speaker 1: day that he watched the finale of the season four,
Speaker 1: he said, I've just watched the best finale of a
Speaker 1: reality show. Ever, this is all with the revelation of
Speaker 1: reality von tis dropping. Then I've picked it up from there.
Speaker 1: So for people listening to this now, full disclosure, I've
Speaker 1: only jumped in at that point, but you have been
Speaker 1: a Salt Lake City officionado for quite some time.
Speaker 2: I got on ball with it as soon as it
Speaker 2: came out in the first series, particularly for that same
Speaker 2: reason that I was like, it's a new one and
Speaker 2: I can get involved from the start, because I feel
Speaker 2: like some of the older Housewives franchises, I sort of
Speaker 2: felt like I'd missed the boat a little bit, and
Speaker 2: I just said, I'll give this one to go. The
Speaker 2: first season was a bit neither here nor there. The
Speaker 2: second you could not believe it. This is when the
Speaker 2: FBI stormed a cast bus. They're about to go on
Speaker 2: a trip looking for gen Shah, who has since gone
Speaker 2: to prison for scanning elderly people out of thousands of
Speaker 2: dollars as part of this telemarketing scheme. So then and
Speaker 2: then last season she was on there, but she was
Speaker 2: completely pleading her innocence to all the ladies and they
Speaker 2: really backed her. And then she's since gone to prison
Speaker 2: for five years. So I mean the Erica Jane storyline
Speaker 2: with Tom Girardi. It's sort of had nothing on this
Speaker 2: so that got me really in and you really didn't
Speaker 2: think there could be any more drama than somebody going
Speaker 2: to prison from that show. And this new woman, Monica
Speaker 2: she came into. She was sort of an assistant for
Speaker 2: this genshar at one point. She has a very tumultuous
Speaker 2: relationship with her mother. There was a lot of drama.
Speaker 2: She's very very strong personality, and what happens in that
Speaker 2: final episode, I won't completely give it away for people
Speaker 2: that haven't watched it, but it is just next level.
Speaker 2: It's next level drama. I haven't seen necessarily a finale
Speaker 2: like that either. I'd agree with Philip, it was huge,
Speaker 2: it was explosive.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, this week they dropped part two of the
Speaker 1: three part reunion, which obviously people can watch on Heyu.
Speaker 1: I was surprised you can only watch Salt Lake City
Speaker 1: on Hayu. I thought it'd be on Binge as well,
Speaker 1: But I just thought with last week's drama with more, well,
Speaker 1: I was expecting more drama with this reality Vontisse bombshell
Speaker 1: coming out more in the second part, which we did
Speaker 1: get a little bit more of towards the end, but
Speaker 1: I wanted to know from you. Do you think that
Speaker 1: this new drama with Monica feels a little too constructed
Speaker 1: compared to the reality of what had happened with Genshaw, Like,
Speaker 1: obviously Genshaw was proven to be a criminal, went to jail,
Speaker 1: and then they probably struggled as producers to try and
Speaker 1: think about what they could do next. Do you feel
Speaker 1: like they may have jumped to the shark a little
Speaker 1: bit by getting a super fan like Monica to be
Speaker 1: on the show and have the rev up to the
Speaker 1: point where she reveals that she's the person behind trolling
Speaker 1: all these women.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was an interesting one because they sort of
Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of chat online and people are saying,
Speaker 2: you know, did the producers know about this? So was
Speaker 2: she planted in there and they were expecting this to
Speaker 2: come out or was this just kind of something that
Speaker 2: happened in the background and it's everything sort of lined
Speaker 2: up and they've managed to sort of expose her. So
Speaker 2: I don't really know the answer to that, but I
Speaker 2: will say, regardless of the FINALI and her being unveiled
Speaker 2: as this sort of cybertroll, that's been one of these
Speaker 2: people operating this troll account online. She was just an
Speaker 2: interesting character to watch anyway, because she's a single well
Speaker 2: now she's got four kids. She's got a very very
Speaker 2: volatile relationship with her own mother. She had some pretty
Speaker 2: strong friendships with women, but then she would just cut
Speaker 2: them down in the next episode and then they wouldn't
Speaker 2: be talking. So I think she still had a place
Speaker 2: on the season that was very strong. I don't know
Speaker 2: where they go now with her, Like, I don't know
Speaker 2: if maybe she's played all her cards. She's done.
Speaker 1: They did have a conversation about Gena from the Real
Speaker 1: Housewives of Melbour after the first series. It looked like,
Speaker 1: how can we bring her back? She's so super villainy,
Speaker 1: and then they were like, well maybe there was a
Speaker 1: lot of conversations about bringing in Gina's true friends in
Speaker 1: the real world to bring people on her side. I
Speaker 1: can't remember the name of the woman that comes into
Speaker 1: the reunion of the second half of part two, but
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like they're leaning into Monica having
Speaker 1: a bestie, which you will allow her to have a
Speaker 1: place in the next series.
Speaker 2: Well that might be how they how they do it,
Speaker 2: because certainly at this point in time, these women want
Speaker 2: nothing to do with her. The only thing that could
Speaker 2: kind of happen is sort of like an Erica Jane's
Speaker 2: redemption kind of a storyline. So this has all happened,
Speaker 2: she it's hit the fan, and then maybe it's about
Speaker 2: her rebuilding relationships with these women. Does she want to
Speaker 2: become a better person. That's where they take it. But
Speaker 2: at the moment, they've definitely left all the tea on
Speaker 2: this until a third part of the reunion, I mean rightly,
Speaker 2: so that's going to get everyone back, So it'll be
Speaker 2: interesting to see how it finishes up there.
Speaker 1: Do you think that there's six people controlling that account
Speaker 1: or do you think she's solely responsible for reality von Tease?
Speaker 2: No, I think there was other people. I think there
Speaker 2: was other people, Yeah, I do.
Speaker 1: Sound can't be kind of in control of something like that.
Speaker 1: You would be if you're not texting those details, if
Speaker 1: you're not taking these other women to task from behind
Speaker 1: your screen, you're having conversations with the other people creating
Speaker 1: that account, you're just as complicit.
Speaker 2: Oh, you're still controlling it, but I think there were
Speaker 2: other people that were also managing it, uploading content. There
Speaker 2: was even a cease and desist, like j Shah's camp
Speaker 2: knew this account, and there was a cease and desist
Speaker 2: that was sent to Monika, And I think there was
Speaker 2: three other people that were named on the actual legal development,
Speaker 2: so there was definitely more people that were involved. I mean,
Speaker 2: it doesn't diminish any of her responsibility in being part
Speaker 2: of that account, but it sort of seems like she
Speaker 2: just knew this would come out at some point, but
Speaker 2: there were no folks given. She says that she mainly
Speaker 2: used it to try and expose Gensha and what she
Speaker 2: was doing with this telemarketing. But I mean, she's not
Speaker 2: going to sit there and say, well, I said all
Speaker 2: these nasty things about you women. So I don't know
Speaker 2: where they go with her. But that last part of
Speaker 2: the reunion, I'm waiting for it.
Speaker 1: With Date of Breath, just before we finish on Salt
Speaker 1: Lake City, I wanted to ask you with that ring
Speaker 1: that was kind of being alluded to the fact that
Speaker 1: Monica could steal something like that, do you think that
Speaker 1: that's fair play? Like did you think that they genuinely
Speaker 1: believed that ring might have been stolen by Monica or
Speaker 1: is that just a bit of TV meilodrama.
Speaker 2: I mean, there was a lot of chatter about it
Speaker 2: online and no one shut it down. No one said
Speaker 2: that's not what we think, get back in your box,
Speaker 2: So they didn't necessarily completely diminish that idea. But I
Speaker 2: don't really understand how she would have stolen it either,
Speaker 2: Like when you sort of watch the episode play out,
Speaker 2: she lost it in like a bathroom, like a public bathroom,
Speaker 2: like it's come off her fingers somewhere. It could have
Speaker 2: been anywhere. I mean, this Monica reckon. She shoved her
Speaker 2: hand down a tampon box to like see if it
Speaker 2: had fallen in there, So I mean that's pretty graphic.
Speaker 2: I mean, how desperate are you to have a ring?
Speaker 2: A ring? But I'll be putting hands in tamp on
Speaker 2: boxes to get them.
Speaker 1: Well, we've got some classification that ring. You know. She
Speaker 1: did sort of explain more about why that ring was
Speaker 1: so sentimental to her.
Speaker 2: She didn't on the show. She didn't on the show,
Speaker 2: so she's done her homework before the reunion and thought, Okay,
Speaker 2: I need to I need to have.
Speaker 1: A full explanation as to why I'm in the tip.
Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, and get a little bit more on the
Speaker 2: sympathy train there because she did look like a bit
Speaker 2: of a diva.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god. We needed, like we need to
Speaker 1: spin off on our what to Watch podcast with a
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City podcast because I kind of feel like
Speaker 1: we could even go back and just break down those
Speaker 1: episodes over the first totally.
Speaker 2: You'll love it. Just get him, just get amongst all
Speaker 2: of that before the next season and then we can
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 1: Still not as good as Beverly Hills though, right.
Speaker 2: No, no, But Beverly Hills has our heart. But I'll
Speaker 2: tell you what. It's in murky Water at the moment.
Speaker 2: They really need to figure out what they're doing there.
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. Well, just finishing off the podcast today,
Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about what to
Speaker 1: watch stuff that is dropping this week. Doan Australia has
Speaker 1: a new series, a scripto drama called Prosper with Rebecca
Speaker 1: Gibney and Richard Roxborough. It's about Hillsong, which I think
Speaker 1: is a really juicy area to be unpacking and I
Speaker 1: don't know how they're getting away with it, because I
Speaker 1: would have thought Hillsong would have been quite protected, especially
Speaker 1: with our Australian government being so linked into it. But anyways, interesting,
Speaker 1: are you going to watch that one?
Speaker 2: I think I'll give it a watch definitely. I mean
Speaker 2: you can't go past such solid casting. I mean they're
Speaker 2: Australian icons.
Speaker 1: I told Ben that Rebecca Gibney was in it, and
Speaker 1: he ran away screaming. I was really shocked about that
Speaker 1: because I hear Rebecca Givney and I watched the show
Speaker 1: where I said to Ben last night, are you going
Speaker 1: to watch this? And he goes, who's in it? And
Speaker 1: I'm like, Rebecca Givney and he goes, oh no.
Speaker 2: No, I think it's juicy. I feel like I would
Speaker 2: be interested in watching that play out for sure, So
Speaker 2: I'll give that one a go.
Speaker 1: And you watched Network ten's reboot THEIRS summer series, Gladiators
Speaker 1: dropped this week. Did it work? Does it work in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four to have Gladiato's back look it?
Speaker 2: Literally, I cannot believe they have just done everything exactly
Speaker 2: the same. They have completely lent into the nostalgia. The
Speaker 2: games are the same. They've got the Pyramids, they've got Powerball,
Speaker 2: they've got the Gauntlet, Like they're exactly the same. The
Speaker 2: format of the show is exactly the same, which is
Speaker 2: very basic, I guess compared to what we used to now.
Speaker 2: Having said that, I think families will quite enjoy it.
Speaker 2: I mean I enjoyed it for that nostalgia because I
Speaker 2: loved that show. But I was eleven or ten or
Speaker 2: something when I've watched it, so I'm not going to
Speaker 2: be watching it every week. But I think young kids, look,
Speaker 2: families have got a hard task trying to find something
Speaker 2: where they can all watch something. It's not heavy content,
Speaker 2: they's not swearing all that sort of stuff, So I
Speaker 2: think families will probably really enjoy it.
Speaker 1: Did you used to with your sister build the pyramid
Speaker 1: with your furniture in the lounge?
Speaker 2: Yes? And on the playground, I play Hangtuf on the
Speaker 2: monkey bars and then we had this kind of like
Speaker 2: limestone rock wall. So that was the travelator. I mean,
Speaker 2: it was all go. That was the moment. And my
Speaker 2: uncle went out with Rebel's sister. What she said, so
Speaker 2: I'd met Rebel and then she Barbara Kendall her name is,
Speaker 2: and she had signed a black and white photo for me,
Speaker 2: and I took that to school and I was like,
Speaker 2: I was the ship.
Speaker 1: Is the best thing that's happened on this podcast.
Speaker 2: It would have been my auntie. Imagine that.
Speaker 1: Imagine but whoever won though out if you and your sister,
Speaker 1: I can't imagine your sister ever won once. You would
Speaker 1: have completely destroyed her.
Speaker 2: No, she's hectic than me. Yeah, she nailed, but I
Speaker 2: would have gone in between presenting the show and then
Speaker 2: trying to be on the show. I probably hit my
Speaker 2: hands and try to be the referee like Mike Whitney
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: Oh. If anyone can play all of those roles in
Speaker 1: one go, it is you. And the last thing that's
Speaker 1: coming out this week is on Sunday Night. ABC is
Speaker 1: very excited about the third season of Total Control, which
Speaker 1: has Deborah Mailman Rachel Griffiths. Both of these women are back.
Speaker 1: They're so iconic in these roles. Rachel Griffiths is obviously
Speaker 1: playing a little bit of Julia Gillard and Deborah Mailman
Speaker 1: is just so fantastic in this story. Have you watched
Speaker 1: series one or two?
Speaker 2: I haven't, so I'm going to binge watch the whole lot.
Speaker 2: But definitely solid casting once again, so they're not saying
Speaker 2: yes to shitty script so I think anyone anything with
Speaker 2: them in it. And debrah Man went as well in
Speaker 2: voice Soolo's Universe. Solid performance by.
Speaker 1: Her, so good in that you know what. Originally a
Speaker 1: bit of trivia. Total Total Control was originally called Black Bitch,
Speaker 1: and they released a trailer with it called Black Bitch
Speaker 1: and did all the promo work, and the feedback was
Speaker 1: so polarizing that they changed it to Total Control. And
Speaker 1: that's an interesting time, Like, when did they ever think
Speaker 1: that that was going to fly?
Speaker 2: Yeah, in this landscape government, I.
Speaker 1: Would have to say to Dre if came to lunches
Speaker 1: and said, I've been watching Black Bitch on the weekend.
Speaker 2: Oh, it just would not get across the line. No,
Speaker 2: we'll watch Total Control. Let's let's commit to that.
Speaker 1: Alana, I just want to say thank you so much
Speaker 1: for being my virgin first episode of What to Watch?
Speaker 2: Have done Lunch