WEBVTT - WHAT TO WATCH - with Alana McLean 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.440 Welcome back, guys to TV Reload. As you may know, 0:00:02.720 --> 0:00:04.920 my name is Benjamin Norris, and I want to thank 0:00:04.920 --> 0:00:07.960 you for clicking or downloading on my first episode of 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:11.280 TV reload spinoff series What to Watch. I am excited 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:13.600 to be bringing you a very different dimension of my 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:16.759 podcast this year, where I'll be unpacking and discussing a 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:20.040 selection of watercolor programs that you may be currently binging 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:22.560 from around the world. I will be dropping a weekly 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:25.639 episode on iHeartRadio moving Forward with some hot topics and 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:28.640 hopefully give you some fun opinions on your favorite shows. 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:31.639 I have a special guest today, my former co host 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:34.880 Alana McLean. You may know her from commercial radio, TV 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:38.240 presenting and also from what I understand, the unofficial queen 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:42.000 of Western Australian sporting events. Alana McLean is easily one 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:45.040 of my most fashionable friends, one of my most knowledgeable friends, 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:47.120 and I often refer to her as the future of 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:50.880 Australian Housewives. She's not actually on a current series of Housewives, 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:52.880 but she's definitely going to end up on that series 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:55.480 at some point. Anyway, Guys, let's all sit back and 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:58.040 relax as I welcome Alana MacLean to the podcast, and 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:01.120 I hope you enjoy my first weekly what to Watch 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:05.240 episode of TV Reload. Thank you so much for joining 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:09.600 me on TV Reload after three years. Oh my gosh, 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:13.600 we're just literally now broadcasting our usual conversations. 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:15.120 Right oh the id. Yeah, we need a gender point, 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:17.800 We need minutes taken because we do cover a lot 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:20.120 of ground. Sometimes we end up talking for half an 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:22.959 hour without anything that we were actually supposed to discuss. 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:25.959 That's what I love about my friends, especially in my 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:28.720 friendships with my girlfriends, and that is that I feel 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:30.240 like I'm in a forever conversation. 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:32.640 Oh well, I'm so excited that we're getting to do 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:34.959 this and getting to talk about some of our favorite 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:37.200 shows that we end up just gas bagging about anyway, 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:38.479 So it's actually perfect for us. 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:40.280 Well, each week I'm going to be joined by a 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:43.120 rotating list of guests that are all my friends, and 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:45.880 we'll discuss all of the latest TV shows right across 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:48.720 your freeedoware and streaming services. This week, we're going to 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:51.080 discuss the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Of course, we're 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:53.760 going to talk about Maide and Chelsea, which is the 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:56.240 first sort of semi scripted reality that's kind of come 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:59.120 to Australia. We'll talk about boy Swallows Universe, which is 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:01.960 huge on net so I feel like that's the water 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:04.640 cooler conversation at the everyone's talking about that one. And 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:07.480 then also we have to dip in on Real Housewives 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:10.359 of Salt Lake City if we have the time, because. 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:11.320 Oh, we'll make the time. 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:13.360 It's a huge talking time. Yeah. 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:15.920 Yeah, but let's start with Beverly Hills because that is 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:17.800 our favorite, so let's dive in there. 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:20.000 Well, the women are back this year in one of 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:23.040 the most highly anticipated seasons of the Real Housewives of 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:26.760 Beverly Hills. I think you'd agree which Australian audiences would 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:29.239 be watching on binge and Hey you so far season 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:31.720 thirteen has center this is my take on it, but 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:33.920 I feel like it's centered around the drama with Kyle 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:37.400 Richard's marriage breakdown, which is kind of and it had 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:39.440 been playing out of the press over the twelve months 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:43.440 leading up into this series. What are your feelings on 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:44.919 season thirteen so far? 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:49.440 It's just missing something the Kyle and Maurizio I think 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:52.080 did come from left field. I wouldn't say anyone was 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:55.799 expecting that and particularly we've seen their whole relationship over 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:58.160 the thirteen years. She's very loved up with him. She 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:00.839 always says, they make their marriage your priorities. Suddenly it's 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:03.680 just been a complete shift of gears. But I do 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:06.960 think we've been a little bit spoilt for choice with 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:09.880 the drama that's ensued over the last couple of years 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:12.280 with Beverly Hills, because I think we had all the 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:16.959 Erica Janes' storyline last year, obviously pretty explosive Releasa, Rinna 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:19.880 and Kathy and the whole Aspen sort of situation. So 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:23.440 maybe we're just used to having a little bit more 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:26.240 drama from the Beverly Hills ladies, and then this year 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:28.480 it's just kind of dialed back down a notch. And 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:30.920 I think the dynamics between the ladies are a little 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:33.160 bit strange at the moment as well. I don't know 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:35.080 if everyone's sort of really clicking. 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:37.360 I think it does feel fractured, and I think it 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:40.600 does highlight the fact that Kyle Richards kind of is 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:43.600 the real queen Bee of the show, and if her 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:46.240 friendships with the women is fractured, it's very obvious, and 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:48.280 I think that seems to be where the problem lies, 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:52.560 because for whatever reason, we'd read through the press that 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:55.080 she had not been on the group chat talking to 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:58.080 Drek and Erica and the usual Fox Force five or 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:00.240 however they were referring to them. So I feel like 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:02.640 that is bleeding into the show in a way, and 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:05.760 then having to bring in someone who is so dominant 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:10.040 like Sutton and Garcelle, they sort of taking up the 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:11.760 line's share of the content. 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:15.080 Yeah, well, that's true, and I think it's particularly with 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:19.160 Sutton as well. It's sort of drama, but it's erratic drama, 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:22.400 Like it's not easy to watch. It's like watching someone 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:24.880 have an episode and then the next week they're fine 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:27.040 again and you're like, oh, I kind of like this Sutton, 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:29.440 and then the next week there's something crazy again. So 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:33.200 it's sort of not storyline drama. It's just someone who 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:35.280 is a little bit left of center and you never 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:38.320 know what you're going to get. I really don't think 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:40.599 I'm on ball with Sudden. I keep going back and forth, 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:42.920 but I think I've decided I'm just not there with her. 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:46.120 I think Garcel's done well to earn her diamond over 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:48.440 the years. I quite enjoy her. I mean has she 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:52.000 gone a bit too far with the sort of the education, 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:56.839 the preachy, the having a dig at Deriat, trying to 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:59.680 find things to kind of throw at her, rather than 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:03.120 just I just don't really like you, to be honest, 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:05.760 you great me. I don't know why, and I just 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:07.680 don't really want to be friends with you, rather than 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:10.040 sort of bringing all that other stuff to the table, 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:13.360 little things, little digs all the time, just to kind 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:14.520 of put it out there. 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:16.480 But do you think I like that? That's where you're 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:19.040 going with that, And I appreciate your take, But I 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:21.560 also wonder whether or not to read as low hanging 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:24.600 fruit for Garcel, because I don't know whether any of 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:27.080 the other women would roll over as fast as dread 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:27.960 It has done. 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:29.400 Yeah. No, that's a good point. 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:31.960 Had she taken Erica Jane out for that lunch and 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:35.680 then tried to school her, I don't think Erica would 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:38.440 have been able to hold back like I think that 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:40.960 was painful to watch that breakfast that we saw them 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:42.560 have or it was a lunch, I can't remember now, 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:45.039 but it was painful to watch the interaction between the 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:47.440 two of them, because you know, Garcell didn't feel like 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:49.120 she was she didn't come across to the audience like 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:51.960 she was being that authentic And why wasn't Duret just 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:52.719 saying fuck you? 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:56.240 Yeah, Well, but when you play the race card, you can't. 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:59.360 She was cornered into a situation where she couldn't say 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:02.680 fuck you, and that was basically it what I just 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:04.599 was not. And I think she'll get pulled up on 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:06.479 these at the reunion. I'd be surprised if she didn't. 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:09.160 She made such a big deal and in her confessionals 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:13.400 that you can't label women black women, angry, aggressive, you 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:16.480 can't say the word attack very much, saying they are 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:19.280 labeling words and they're derogatory and they're not okay. But 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:21.760 then she sat at the lunch and she labeled to 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:25.040 read as a Karen and then she said about her 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:27.919 privilege and she was throwing around labels like it was 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:29.880 no problem at all. So I think if you're going 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:31.880 to play that game, they have to be very careful 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:34.120 how you play it because all that stuff, as we know, 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:36.120 is going to get roll back at the reunion and 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:37.400 she's going to have a lot to answer for. 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:40.560 You know, what are your thoughts on Sutton and Garcelle 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:44.479 really becoming a mouthpiece for the super fans and the 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:46.719 community that's grown there, because a lot of people are 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:49.880 saying that those women aren't just being themselves, they're taking 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:52.520 too much interest in what the lynch mob, I guess, 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:55.359 is saying online and then they're voicing those things. Do 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:56.839 you think that that's still happening. 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:59.400 Well, they've been accused of that sort of since the 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:03.760 get go, haven't they very very strong sort of fan 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:08.400 base on x Twitter? So I don't know. It's I 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:11.680 think that would make sense why Sutton has these crazy 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:14.280 moments and then she pulls it back. Crazy moments and 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:16.400 then she pulls it back. If that is the kind 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:20.400 of temperature check that she's taking in regards to her behavior, 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:23.320 like you've gone too far, pull it back, I wouldn't 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:26.720 be surprised. I feel like they definitely came in wanting 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:29.720 to really build their fan base, and I guess that's 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:30.560 one way to do it. 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:32.960 You know, it's interesting. I remember a casting person who 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:35.160 was doing I'm a Celebrity was saying to me about 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:38.320 how not to cast someone that's going to gazump a series, 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:42.160 and I remember them specifically talking about Osha Ginsburg and 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:44.800 saying that he's a bit kookie, and he's also very 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:48.239 opinionated and has them out their opinions, and that, whilst 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:50.760 that's a very rich character to throw into the mix, 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:53.040 it would gazump the whole show. And I feel like 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:56.160 we're at that point now with sudden is her cookiness 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:58.920 gazumping this whole show? Is there a possibility we're running 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:02.160 the risk of jumping shark with Housewives because of it? 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:04.560 They just haven't had much to go on this season, 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:07.480 so you sort of wonder whether they've just made something 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:10.200 more out of that, because they are really are at 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:12.680 a loss, and I think, you know, bringing back all 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:16.240 these people, Denise, I mean, that was just painful to 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:18.960 watch that Denise Erica thing. I mean, what even was 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:22.120 that Camille? We're seeing a bit of Kim Richards. I mean, 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:25.000 it does feel like they're clutching at straws to bring 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:27.040 anyone back to the meats that might, you know, be 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:30.680 appealing for next week's trailer that gets people back into watch, 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:34.960 when really this Kyle Richard's storyline with Mauricio is the 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:37.360 strongest one that they've had. Everything else is a bit 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:39.760 by the wayside. They're trying to make something out of 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:44.000 this Crystal and mar thing and the esophaga thing. I mean, 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:48.080 that is the most stupid storyline since since Dodgegate or whatever. 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:49.760 Yeah, any of those. 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:53.040 So, I don't know. I think they're just struggling. So 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:55.600 maybe that's why we're seeing a bit more of Sutton's cookiness, 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:57.120 because they're just like, we need something. 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:58.880 Do you remember I was catching up last year while 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:01.200 they're filming this series, and I said to you, I've 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:03.679 heard that they've put the show on pause, told them 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:06.200 all that basically nothing has happened so far, and that 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:11.760 they're brought in Denise, Richards, Camille and in. And remember 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:13.560 I was like, they've brought these three in and you 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:16.360 were like, yes, you know, if they've brought those women in, 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:19.880 all three of those women, this show must have been 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:22.880 quite weak to grab those three women who are so noisy. 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:26.120 Well, that's right, and I think we're really for me personally, 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:29.480 I'm really feeling that loss of Lisa Renner. I think 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:34.520 just the feistiness, the humor, the quick wit, the fashion, 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:37.200 the sort of ability to kind of get in there 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:39.200 and sort of poke the bear a little bit where 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:41.760 it needs to be poked. I think, Eric ha, it's 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:44.520 great to see her having a bit of a redemption season, 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:47.600 but she does seem a little bit lost without her friends, 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:50.000 so I sort of wonder how much long is she's 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:51.360 going to be on the show as well. 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:53.240 Well, I just think that they have to bring Lisa 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:55.440 Renna back. I mean, how much of that absence of 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:59.679 Lisa Renna from season thirteen is affecting everyone's overall enjoyment 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:02.160 because I'd like to take people to task over the 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:05.800 anti Renner fans. Weren't they loving to hate her? Like? 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:09.000 Were they really wanting her completely gone? Because they've got 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:12.000 their way now and it's pretty damn clear that you're 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:16.000 missing your PG villain who's ready to ask people questions 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:16.920 and hold them to account. 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:20.840 I completely agree, and I don't think there's necessarily anyone 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:21.760 playing that. 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:24.480 Role now maybe sudden, I don't know, Like, do you 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:27.360 think somethin maybe doing that. I think Sutton spent a 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:30.320 long time coming after Renner for playing that villain role. 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:33.439 But I actually starting to think that Ston's just as guilty, 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:36.360 or if not worse than Rinna with some of her 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:40.959 takedowns and some of her lack of awareness, And yeah. 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:43.800 Well I think that's why. Honestly, That's probably why when 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:47.120 you ask something like that, I've gone, oh yeah, okay, Sutton, 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:49.439 she answers some questions or whatever, but it's like, when 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:53.360 I'm watching her, I'm not really taking her that seriously, 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:56.680 And because the next episode, like last night, she was 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:59.240 all back chumming with Kyle and whatever, but then we 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:01.640 just saw too were ago they went even talking, she 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:04.080 was throwing those accusations that are at the dinner table. 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:06.280 Kyle was really pissed off with her, and then it 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:09.480 all seems to go away. Whereas with Lisa, I sort 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:10.960 of feel like if she was going to have an 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:13.920 agenda and sort of be like, right, it's on, she 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:16.360 wasn't like that, And so I sort of feel like 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:20.000 Sutton is in this weird flip floppy universe where she 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:22.040 just says whatever comes into her head, but then the 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:24.320 next week it's fine. So I don't know whether I 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:26.640 take her seriously enough in that role, and I don't 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:28.520 know whether she's got enough a long gear ready to 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:29.280 play that card. 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:32.440 Ongoing, what about dere do you think is Dreed still 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:36.080 relevant in this series? Because I don't necessarily see how 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:38.800 she's going to I mean, she clearly needs the paycheck. 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:40.320 I think, you know, how long is she going to 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:42.720 stay in that marriage. I don't think I'd be staying 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:45.800 in that marriage, to be honest. Even whilst they're unpacking 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:48.320 the troubles in their marriage, they both just don't seem 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:50.920 well suited. Do you think she should be reduced to 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:52.760 like a friend of the show in series fourteenth? 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:55.600 I think she is on borrowed time. But I think look, 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:58.600 she played her role perfectly. She was sort of not 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:00.640 polar I mean she was a little bit at the start, 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:02.600 she sort of ruffled a few feathers, but when she 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:05.280 was sitting in that Fox Force five I guess dynamic 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:08.360 she was the sort of one that wasn't too polarizing. 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:11.040 She fit in nicely. She obviously had that really strong 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:14.320 friendship with Kyle. We loved sort of seeing, you know, 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:17.920 their friendship. Yeah, outside of the show, the fashion obviously 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:20.640 a huge part because that's been lacking a little bit. 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:23.160 It's sort of a scary one to think about when 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:26.160 you start to unravel that thread because Lisa's gone, and 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:28.120 then you go, okay, well where there is dereet fit 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:30.920 Eric has seems like she's floating a little bit. I mean, 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:32.800 this could be the beginning of the end. 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:35.320 But you know what's interesting, They've got this glamour shot 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:37.600 of direct in the opening credits where we see her 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:39.920 leaning across this balcony. But don't you think it kind 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:41.880 of looked like she was at a ghetto? Like it was. 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:46.280 But you know that was the Beverly Hilton Hotel because 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:49.840 that's where they were having the charity event the Homeless. 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:51.640 Oh god, I have to say it right now. I 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:55.080 was not toothless. That was where they were having the gala. 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:57.240 And those were the photos that she took on the 0:12:57.280 --> 0:12:59.640 balcony before she went down for the gala, And I 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:02.800 was like, Beverly Hilton really needs to. 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:05.360 Look at paint. Like, do you remember those old commission 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:09.000 houses that were like in South Yarra sort of close. 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:09.840 To you where I lived? 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:12.960 Yeah, me, where you lived, but there was makes it 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:14.640 sound like you were living in the ghetto. You were 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:17.640 certainly not, but beautiful apartment that you lived in, but 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:19.720 right next to those ghettos. That's kind of what it 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:21.040 looked like. It looked like she was at the ghetto. 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.600 Even like last night when they you know, had the 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:28.760 episode and they were doing the walkaround and then PK saying, 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:30.840 oh the carpet, you know, can we do anything about 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:33.400 that in five days? So maybe it's just a little 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:36.000 bit outdated, but I mean certainly iconic. 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:37.880 Wasn't it you that said to me the other day 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:40.600 about the hair as well, about she can't afford to 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:42.920 have that blonde hair anymore? She's really going back. 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:46.920 Oh she's cutting back. I mean it's grown on me 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:49.520 a little bit, the darker hair. But I don't think 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:53.120 she's having the same VavaVoom impact that we've seen over 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:54.920 the previous years, that's for sure. 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:57.280 Yeah, I agree. I agree. We'll just touching on some 0:13:57.320 --> 0:13:59.520 of the things that happened in Bitter Pill to Swallow, 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:02.200 which was so twelve. I guess that's whatever it'll be 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:04.880 discussing this week. Anne Marie had a lot of people 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:05.280 on the wood. 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:08.560 I'd say, half the time people are calling her Anna Marie, 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:11.200 And then I was like, isn't it Anne Marie? And 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:14.000 then the credits say Anne Marie. But listen carefully. I 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:16.000 would love to hear what people think. Half the time 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:19.080 people are calling her Anna Marie, and it's very confusing, But. 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:22.040 It's Anne Marie. Her name is Anne Marie Wiley. 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:25.200 Listen when they say it, they say, Anna Marie, Oh. 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:26.400 Well, I've really got to go check you. 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:28.880 I mean, who cares? Really do we care about her? 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:32.200 And do we care about Crystal and Jeff, her brother. 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:35.960 I mean, honestly, if you were looking for anything even 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:39.320 worse than the Esophaga storyline is Crystal and her brother Jeff. 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:42.280 You can imagine that's producers on the sidelines just saying 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:44.680 to Crystal, Okay, you know you really should have been 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:47.640 five three seasons ago. You're going to need to say 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:50.680 something to Anna Marie or however you want to call her. 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:52.120 You're going to need to call her a bitch or 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:56.200 a slader, a cunt. And Crystal clearly looked uncomfortable, even 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:58.520 being as savage as she was, didn't you think, like 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:01.080 she said it, and she looked like she was like, yes, 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:03.160 is that enough? Is that what I'm supposed to do? 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:07.240 Like? Yeah, I agree, I agree. It seemed forced, It 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:11.040 seemed out of place. Nothing we've seen from her in 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:13.440 three years would indicate that she would just start calling 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:16.240 someone a bitch of black tie event loudly. You know, 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:19.640 it didn't seem like her, but who she is just 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:22.560 isn't that And I think after three years, I mean, 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:25.560 you've got to really question her place. 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:28.280 Ongoing, especially seeing as we don't have Teddy Mellencamp, who's 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:31.640 genuinely Kyle's best friend, like as in, where's think a 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:34.600 genuine connection through to Kyle, who, by the way, no 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:37.600 matter what you think of Teddy Mellencamp would certainly be 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:41.400 unearthing things on camera with Kyle to do with this relationship, 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:44.600 you know, with the fall down of Marizio and you know, 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:49.000 this girlfriend. Like, I think that Teddy Mellencamp right now 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:51.600 is the right person to try and bring more out 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:53.640 of Kyle about the truth about what's happening. 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:56.880 Yeah, well we see, we saw her last week at 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:01.040 Loreene's celebration of life event. I mean, she's still very 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:03.840 much in Kyle's life all the time. I think the 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:07.920 producers seem obviously reluctant to give her any more screen 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:10.480 like to give Denise or someone more screen time than 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:13.360 what they're giving Teddy. Knowing that Teddy is Kyle's best 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:16.360 friend and Kyle's gone through this tumultuous year, I don't 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:18.960 think we're going to be seeing her back anytime soon. 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:22.120 They obviously just for whatever reason, don't want to give 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:23.360 her the airtime. 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:25.840 Would you one of my favorite housewives ever? And people 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:26.280 come for me? 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:29.120 Yeah? I agree? And she was really integral to that 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:34.480 whole Denise Richard's Brandy expose, Like she was the one 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:37.000 that basically said around that table when they are in 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:39.280 Rome or whatever, like this is what happened. She said, 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:41.160 you had sex, blah blah blah blah blah. Did you 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:43.240 say these things about me? Did you say these things 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:45.160 about the other women? I don't think she was afraid 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:48.080 to getting there at all. And then I think listening 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:51.480 to her sins, she has more found her voice. I 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:54.640 think she's more confident, even has more conviction. It would 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:57.240 be interesting to bring the likes of her back with 0:16:57.320 --> 0:16:59.960 a Lisa Rinner and then really see what happened. 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:02.320 Then well, that's what the series needs right now. I 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:05.840 think you need Kathy Kim Kyle in one series. You 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:07.440 need the authenticity of the. 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:10.440 Fact happy you'll never come back. She will never come back. 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:14.520 I just think she's done. I think she got exposed 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:17.040 a little bit for the true person that she is, 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:19.280 and I don't think that's how she was trying to 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:21.800 present herself on that show. And I just don't think 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:23.200 she would risk that ever. Again. 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:25.400 Fair to say though at this point though with Paris 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:28.120 and Love season two, she ain't coming off that great 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:32.120 on that series either. Like I don't see her understanding 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:35.040 reality television the way that I feel like she thought. 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:37.520 When we'd get a taste of her over the years 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:39.879 with Housewives, where she'd turn up, you think, oh, this 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:42.960 woman understands control, She understands those cameras are playing. But 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:46.000 then with Paris and Love and her two seasons on Housewives, 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:48.719 she's kind of clueless as to how she's coming out. 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:52.040 And I think the producers when she was a friend 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:55.000 of and we just saw those little comedic sort of 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:57.960 brinklings throughout the show where she wasn't sort of front 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:00.720 and center in any of the drama. She'd sort of 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:04.040 rock up in her quirky hats and you know, funny 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:06.760 songs or whatever, and everyone have a laugh and a 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:09.800 caviar and potato and whatever. But then when she really 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:15.480 got exposed, I think for some of her true personality traits, 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:17.480 and if you watch Paris in Love season one, you 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:20.280 see how controlling and domineering she sort of is over 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:23.640 Paris's wedding and you know, she obviously got very upset 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:27.240