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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to a bonus episode of Outspoken. We're

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Speaker 1: coming to you on a Monday because we wanted to

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Speaker 1: talk all things hair and in particular, wedding hair.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: We're very excited to be joined today by award winning

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Speaker 1: hairdresser Brody Lee. Brody is a sought after stylist whose

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Speaker 1: work has been featured twice in Vogue. She's also recently

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Speaker 1: created model and actress Ellie Gonzalevs's iconic bridal hair. On

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Speaker 1: today's episode, we'll be talking about how to achieve your

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Speaker 1: dream wedding hair. We also share bridesmaid horror stories, discussed

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Speaker 1: this year's hottest wedding hair trends, and ask all those

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Speaker 1: burning questions soon to be bride's a wanting to know. Brody,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us on this special

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Speaker 1: episode of Outspoken.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: A lot of listeners would have recently seen the work

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Speaker 1: you did on Ellie Gonzalevers's epic white themed wedding on

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Speaker 1: the Gold Coast. What was it like working with Ellie?

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Speaker 2: Oh, Ellie so special to me. I see Ellie sometimes

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Speaker 2: more than I see my friends and family have blonde

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Speaker 2: and pixie cuts. But to be there and be a

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Speaker 2: part of her dream fairytale wedding for both days, So

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Speaker 2: the private elopement and then the fun reception day two

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Speaker 2: and just see their love celebrated and the amazing team

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Speaker 2: behind it and bringing Ellie's vision to life was pretty special.

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Speaker 2: I've done a lot of brides, but not many brides

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Speaker 2: the reception. Definitely one that I'll never forget. The wedding

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Speaker 2: was incredible. I mean you've seen it blowing up on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: Three dresses, some beautiful, beautiful food, and entertainment from the

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Speaker 2: Sax players to their ships sailing into the dock. Who

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Speaker 1: Was there a lot of pressure on you because obviously

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Speaker 1: if you did a bad job with Ellie's hair, people

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Speaker 3: Talk about it.

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Speaker 1: Did you feel extra pressure when you do a high

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Speaker 1: profile wedding.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's funny, like absolutely, I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 2: You do feel a bit of pressure because with any bride,

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Speaker 2: you know, it's such a big part of their life

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Speaker 2: and a special dating. You just want them to feel

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Speaker 2: so beautiful. Ellie, like I said, we've been working together

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Speaker 2: for so long now I know her hair so well.

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Speaker 2: But we didn't even do a trial, just like, no safe,

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Speaker 2: you know my hair, And I was like, I do

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Speaker 1: Now your salon is called rock Star, which I feel

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Speaker 1: like is really fitting because you do work with some

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Speaker 1: big name people. Who else is on your client list?

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Speaker 2: Oh? You know, rock Star is such a broad demographic.

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Speaker 2: It's home to so many amazing people and clients, and

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Speaker 2: we have everyone from celebrity chefs to you know, well

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Speaker 2: known YouTubers, DJs, highly sought after surgeons, lawyers, accountants, and

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Speaker 2: incredible business women and women doing amazing things for charity,

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Speaker 2: to the stay at home mom and the young school

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Speaker 2: girl with upcoming dreams and aspirations. So it's so hard

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Speaker 2: into rock Star is equally important to us and my team.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's so lovely. I do have a theory though,

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Speaker 1: about influencers when they come in to get their hair done.

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Speaker 1: I've noticed they all seem to order Uber eats if

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Speaker 1: they're getting a hair dyed. Do you feel awkward when

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Speaker 3: Are you overthinking, do you.

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Speaker 2: I've not really ever thought, but I have to say

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Speaker 2: we like rock stars next to some of the best

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Speaker 2: So I feel like our client generally always eating, and

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Speaker 2: we don't often get people ordering ubery because we're around

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Speaker 1: See that makes me feel better. I'm the person who

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Speaker 2: Well, and the order of the.

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Speaker 1: As I mentioned, I got married in January and Amy

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Speaker 1: So we'd love to pick your brain more about wedding hair.

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Speaker 1: There's just so much prep I feel for brides to do.

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Speaker 1: How far in advanced do brides need to start preparing

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Speaker 2: Great question and first congratulations an exciting time. I always say,

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Speaker 2: like the minute someone gets engaged, not to put pressure

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Speaker 2: but then they choose an Inspro pick for their bridal

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Speaker 2: it's creamy. And I think the minute that you get engaged,

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Speaker 2: then you've got options whether you've been with a hairstylist

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Speaker 2: It changes so much about the hairstyle, and quite often

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Speaker 2: you'll go to do your trial and realize that, no,

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Speaker 2: I need some more color around the face, or my

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Speaker 2: all that sooner, it just means that there's no surprises

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Speaker 1: Now, shall we be getting our partners to prep their

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Speaker 1: So should we be concerned about the men and their hair.

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Speaker 2: Look? I'm definitely men's is definitely not my area of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have threatened my partner because he attended a

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Speaker 1: They all got mullets the night before, like they all

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Speaker 4: Look, yeah, can you talk us through how a bridal

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Speaker 2: Yeah, great, great question, And something I'm super passionate about

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Speaker 2: many important factors with their trial. If their hairs are

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Speaker 1: I'm a part of a lot of bridal forums and

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Speaker 1: a lot of people post about what hairstyle they want,

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Speaker 1: and there seems to be a lot of expectation versus reality,

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Speaker 1: I love when a bride actually looks like them on

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Speaker 1: On TikTok, I feel like I'm seeing all of these

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Speaker 2: You know, I've seen it too, and I'm like, you go, girl,

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Speaker 2: know you've got someone there cutting your hair as well

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Speaker 1: It would be bad if you've got a negative reaction. Well,

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Speaker 1: I feel like men never noticed when you get a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean too late for your bags up.

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Speaker 1: Because it does seem like a bit of a trend

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Speaker 2: Mmm, yeah, totally, And why not show a few new

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine the groom going off and just shaving

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, No, I feel like that's probably not

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Speaker 1: Maybe at that mullet wedding that's so far, maybe that

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Speaker 3: What do you think about bridesmaid's hair?

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Speaker 2: Look, I've been bridesmaid quite a few times and I

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Speaker 2: It, I think, and maybe I've got PTSD from that.

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Speaker 2: But I think it's really important for everyone to feel

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Speaker 5: But how beautiful if everyone just looks themselves, feels themselves,

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Speaker 2: That's not going to make them have a great day.

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Speaker 2: My number one rule is have the bridesmaids feel beautiful.

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Speaker 2: let's have some reference shots to see that will this

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Speaker 2: And it goes back to what you guys said earlier,

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Speaker 1: If you picked out awful outfits, awful hair for everyone

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Speaker 3: How does it work?

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Speaker 2: as opposed to someone who's just there for their hairstyle only,

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Speaker 2: The best thing that I can say is have a

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Speaker 2: did the blonde bob, that was kind of iconic, and

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Speaker 2: now Haley's done the short, choppy like bob and everyone's

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Speaker 2: loving it again. And I think, you know, embracing the

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Speaker 2: cooler months, although you guys are in Adelaide and sure

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Speaker 2: it's a bit cool, or already here in Queens Blam

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Speaker 2: where it's starting to get cool, but you know, the

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Speaker 2: Bob's really fun for the cooler months because you're wearing

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Speaker 2: cool blazers and higher collars and scarf. So I think

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Speaker 2: a lot of people are really excited to do something

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Speaker 2: different changes season. So thanks Haley, You've made us really busy.

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Speaker 3: This is my issue.

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Speaker 1: I love a bob, but because my wedding's coming up,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, no, no, no, Like, keep growing your hair

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Speaker 1: because it will blend better into extensions. But I feel

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Speaker 1: like I'm going to do the thing after my wedding.

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Speaker 3: I think it's not everyone.

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Speaker 1: Not everyone looks.

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Speaker 3: Good with a bob.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like I look okay, you

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Speaker 1: look nice. But I'm saying Haley Beaver gave everyone hope.

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Speaker 1: And I saw all these girls on TikTok with most beautiful, thick,

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Speaker 1: long hair and they cut it into a bob and

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Speaker 1: they still looked good. But I was like, it doesn't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't. So oh your hair was so beautiful before.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so right, be ready. Although you might be surprising

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Speaker 2: us with a bob soon bad it sounds maybe way

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Speaker 2: wedding like maybe for the reception.

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Speaker 1: Well, my partner always says he prefers me with short hair,

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Speaker 1: but I'm like, no, I want long hair.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, we've got an idea there. We'll have to

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Speaker 3: get things plan.

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Speaker 1: We'll get Mary out, our hairdresser on their Now, obviously

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Speaker 1: we're talking about Haley Bieber, but back in the day,

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Speaker 1: it was all about what Rachel from Friends was doing

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Speaker 1: with her hair. Are there any other style inspirations apart

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Speaker 1: or Jennifer Aniston?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was Rachel Bob.

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Speaker 2: It was the Rachel. Like that shaping around the face

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Speaker 2: still freaks me out. I think because I've done so

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Speaker 2: much of hair, I feel like every long haircut I

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Speaker 2: ever did during the earlier part of my hairdressing career

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Speaker 2: was the Rachel pat Honestly, I think nowadays, like we

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Speaker 2: have so much on social media and influences, and we're

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Speaker 2: seeing so many more trends and style inspiration, and I

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Speaker 2: feel like anything really goes now we're seeing individuality expressed

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Speaker 2: a lot more, whereas years ago it was just kind

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Speaker 2: of one thing and you do that haircut or do

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Speaker 2: you remember the haircut of Slatting Doors? Yes, oh my god, yes, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Like that haircut was so iconic, like that was like

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Speaker 2: a short haircut, whereas now we're seeing I'm constantly getting

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Speaker 2: people bringing photos of Ellie and with her short hair,

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Speaker 2: and half the time they don't even know that I'm

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Speaker 2: Ellie's hairdresser by Girl, and.

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Speaker 3: I think I know how to cut it like that, Yes,

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Speaker 3: like you can do it.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I'll give it a go. But honestly, I

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Speaker 2: think like with Instagram, there's just so much more inspiration

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Speaker 2: available at fingertips that people the hashtag search copper hair

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Speaker 2: and you might see an influx of coppers coming in

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Speaker 2: or it's it's definitely broader now, and I feel like

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of like people loving Rocky Barnes hair

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00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 2: and different to our usual like movie stars and TV

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Speaker 2: stars inspiration if that makes sense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's it.

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Speaker 1: It is funny when I remember our hairdresser has always

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Speaker 1: said to us when we bring an inspiration photo, now

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Speaker 1: put your finger over their face and see if you

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Speaker 1: still like it, because normally it's very glamorous, like the

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Speaker 1: most attractive person. Yeah, she's like trying to imagine, you know,

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Speaker 1: what a normal person would look like.

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Speaker 2: So true.

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Speaker 1: I've always been someone that I feel like I'm always

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Speaker 1: growing my hair so jealous of these people that their

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Speaker 1: hair seems to grow like a weed, Like they'll cut

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Speaker 1: it into a bob and then the next year they've got.

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Speaker 3: The hair down to the back. There's definitely not me.

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Speaker 1: Do you have any tips for people like me that

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Speaker 1: are desperately trying to grow their hair?

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Speaker 2: Where do you start? So the first place that always

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Speaker 2: tell someone to start is inside. So nutrition is so

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Speaker 2: important for hair. I think we focus on the exterior

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00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 2: so much, and products with hair and shampoo can additional

516
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Speaker 2: masks that we quite often forget that hair really needs

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Speaker 2: an influx of nutrition and vitamins. Getting a good vitamin

518
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 2: with lots of vitamin B and biotin or silica zinc

519
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 2: is so important for our hair. And if you're not

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00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 2: having it through a vitamin, making sure that you're eating

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00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 2: like your leafy greens and foods that are really rich

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Speaker 2: in antioxidants, and that's not just beneficial for your hair.

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00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 2: Obviously your health as well, but definitely starting with diet

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Speaker 2: is super important. So if you really want to grew

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Speaker 2: your hair, I always say, just really up the vegetables,

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00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: up the protein, look at your leafy greens as well

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00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 2: as go and get a great supplement look at there's

528
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Speaker 2: so many great hair supplements on the market now, or

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00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 2: a general women's health vitamin. And then of course things

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Speaker 2: like silk pillowcases make such a difference how we sleep,

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Speaker 2: the friction that we cause to our hair. If we're

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00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 2: a restless sleeper or relying and moving around out quite

533
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 2: a bit at least if it's silk, it slips and

534
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 2: the hair's not getting fractured fits in it and hair hair.

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00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 2: No one knows your hair better than your hairdresser, so

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Speaker 2: asking them for what they recommend. There's so many brilliant

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Speaker 2: products on the market, but not one thing is suited

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Speaker 2: for everyone, if that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Would you also recommend sort of steering away from using

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Speaker 1: your styling tools a lot, because I know, I hear

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Speaker 1: it always. You know you're never going to grow your

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Speaker 1: hair if you're straightening it every day or curling it

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Speaker 1: every day.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, and no, it really is there's so many variables,

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Speaker 6: like is the tool a good form of heat control?

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Speaker 6: Is it is safe for me heat control for their

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00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 6: hair versus back in the old days where we were

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Speaker 6: like ironing our hair.

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Speaker 2: You know, like hairs come a long way as well,

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Speaker 2: So provided that you're using good products heat protectant products

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00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 2: and daily moisturizers and masks, things that are building up

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00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 2: the structure of their hair, you can definitely use heat on.

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Speaker 1: It a lot.

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Speaker 2: I love to answer yeah, like you can absolutely do it.

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Speaker 2: I think that came from years ago, where like I said,

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Speaker 2: people did crazy things their hair, my hair, Whereas we've

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Speaker 2: got technologies come such a long way now and we've

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Speaker 2: got products like heat protectant, which makes the world a difference.

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Speaker 1: I do remember people at school ironing their hair, like,

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Speaker 1: as you said, so did you iron your hair? Yes,

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Speaker 1: because you must have had long hair too short to

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Speaker 1: iron to short thin.

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Speaker 2: And then thank goodness, the straightness came out and they

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Speaker 2: die the world.

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Speaker 1: We have to nearly burn our own heads off. Just God,

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Speaker 1: I feel like I could literally take up your whole

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Speaker 1: day talking about hair and trying to get my tips myself.

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Speaker 3: But thank you so much for joining us. We have

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Speaker 3: loved having this conversation with you.

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Speaker 2: Ah, thank you, Thank you girls, and best luck with

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Speaker 2: the wedding than you talking. Okay, you can see if

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Speaker 2: that's a new bulb on there.

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Speaker 3: Let's see it with a pressure on now.

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Speaker 2: It's been my pleasure and thanks so much for taking

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Speaker 2: the time and the interest in you know, questioning wedding hair.

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Speaker 2: I think it's going to help so many brides that

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Speaker 2: just get overwhelmed and don't know where to start. So

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Speaker 2: great topic.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. This podcast was recorded on the traditional land

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Speaker 1: of the Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes.

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