1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Hello, can you hear us? Okay, ready for a book 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: club and. 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 2: Welcome to book club? 4 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: Hello? Everyone, Hello, how are you today? I'm very well, 5 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: thank you. 6 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,600 Speaker 3: I think this is number nine, number nine love potion 7 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 3: number nine. This, if you've just joined us, is our 8 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 3: book club. We only read from two books, our own. 9 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 2: Books, yep, which is pretty up yourself. Sure, But then again, 10 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 2: how many people have written. 11 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: A book millions upon million? 12 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 2: How many people do a podcast about millions? 13 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: Okay, how many people have a book club? Millions? 14 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, but how many people do a podcast about reading 15 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 2: their own book? 16 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: None? And that's our. 17 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 2: Point of difference, that's our niche. 18 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 3: All right, Well, when we last left off, I think 19 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 3: I was working at the Midday Show with Ray Martin. 20 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: Yes, well it was. 21 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 3: When I was working on that show I met Richard Neville, 22 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 3: who passed away last year. Richard was an extraordinary thinker. 23 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 3: He was a man who thought out side of the box. 24 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 3: And he used to come on to the midday Show 25 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 3: as a guest and he talked about really interesting things 26 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 3: for the Midday Show audience. He'd gone through all that 27 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 3: sort of the hippie take drugs and explore your mind 28 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 3: phase and was now looking at how you can explore 29 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 3: your human potential without having to be a drug taking hippie. 30 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 3: Pretty much, very forward thinking. So he then had a 31 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 3: television show on Channel nine called Extra Dimensions. So I 32 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 3: had been just doing a story every now and then 33 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 3: as a segment producer on the midday show. But I 34 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 3: was asked to be a full time reporter on Extra Dimensions. WHOA, 35 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 3: so I'll read from page eighty two. 36 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 2: Big deal. 37 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: Well terrifying too. 38 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 3: When Richard and his wife Julie began developing a new 39 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 3: show for Channel ten called Extra Dimensions, I was flattered 40 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 3: to be asked to join the reporting team. I was 41 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 3: hugely conflicted. I love my job with Ray on the 42 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 3: midday Show. While I was considering the move, Ray to 43 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 3: his credit approach Channel nine's boss, the legendary Sam Chisholm, 44 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 3: to ask me to stay. In the end, the opportunity 45 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 3: to be a full time reporter was too good to 46 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 3: turn down, and off I went to what was undoubtedly. 47 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: The wackiest period of my life. 48 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 3: Extra Dimensions explored issues that were perhaps ahead of their time, 49 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 3: such as the quest for sustainability, the limits or otherwise 50 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 3: of human potential, the search for meaning in a modern 51 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 3: world on paper. It sounded amazing. What I wasn't expecting 52 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 3: was that so many of the people we filmed were 53 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 3: going to be so quirky. I can't remember if I 54 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 3: lied about my own spiritual endeavors i e. None, or 55 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 3: if my lack of higher consciousness was seen as in 56 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 3: every man as asset. But I was out of my 57 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:35,679 Speaker 3: depth from day one on the very first Extra Dimension story, 58 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 3: I attended a workshop, Oh Dear in Sydney, where I 59 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 3: had to participate in a range of activities to explore 60 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 3: and supposedly ease my universal angst. 61 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 1: Hell WHOA. 62 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 3: I caught on all my university acting skills to make 63 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 3: it look like I was into it, But as the 64 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 3: day wore on, it became clear I was going to 65 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 3: be outed as a non believer. After draw bring our 66 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 3: pain on paper with crayons, we had to perform the 67 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 3: dance of our pain, and you can imagine we then 68 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 3: had to act out a ritual to. 69 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: Rid us of the pain. My sphincter is tightly just reading. 70 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 2: You are the least person that does that stuff terrible. 71 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 3: One of the participants in the workshop was the next Nun, 72 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 3: who felt she needed to become whole Her ritual involved 73 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 3: calling out for us to take her imaginary body parts, 74 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 3: then returning them when she lay with her arms outstretched 75 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 3: to the floor. Bring me my arm, et cetera, Then 76 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 3: bring me my vagina. 77 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 2: Who got that job? 78 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 3: Some poor guy with scoop up invisible bits and hand 79 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 3: them back. 80 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 2: You didn't get to carry the nuts for giant nuns. 81 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: Vagina is my new village of one. 82 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 3: Another guy wanted us all to form a giant tunnel. 83 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: Bring it back tomorrow. 84 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 2: I just wanted to test it out, and you I. 85 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: Just sat there and pulled a face all day. 86 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 3: Another guy wanted us to form a giant tunnel through 87 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 3: which he could crawl and be reborn. You're the intestine 88 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 3: and I'm a giant shitty, explained, No, protested the nun. 89 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 3: It's already said I need to do this. She said, no, 90 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 3: it's a colon, not an intesta. I found this so 91 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 3: crazily hysterical. 92 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 2: And who when you're as the colon, someone would have 93 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 2: had to be in the rectum and the anus. 94 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 1: Well he wasn't that specific, So we just filmed. 95 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 3: We just formed a giant tunnel with our arms through 96 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 3: which he crawled. 97 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 2: How could you not have laughed at that. 98 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: I was inside, but I was also terrified. 99 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 2: But it was my turn. But you were surrounded by nutbats. 100 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: Oh that's right, but we had a film crew. Awful. 101 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: I found this crazily hysterical. 102 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 3: I didn't know how to set my face, but I 103 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 3: was still panicking as my turn loomed. 104 00:04:55,480 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: I just even hate reading. Finally, all eyes are on me. Ah, 105 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: I feel the need to be free. 106 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 3: Maybe you could time you up with string and then 107 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 3: I unravel me, I stammered. 108 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: I thought my idea was pretty good. The others didn't. 109 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 3: They knew an impostor when they saw one, and they 110 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 3: turned on me in unison. I burst into tears. This 111 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 3: was clearly what they wanted. A wave of sympathy rolled 112 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 3: my way, and I was forgiven. I hope the footage 113 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 3: of that day has been burned. 114 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 2: So how do they call you out? 115 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 3: Well, they knew when I just said, oh, maybe just 116 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 3: put some string around me and I unravel and I'm 117 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 3: feeling a whole And they said, I don't think you're 118 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 3: taking this seriously. 119 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 2: Said the woman that just handed over of a giant. 120 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: And a man who was a giant. 121 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 3: Pooh, So I yes, I so I was so filled 122 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 3: with anxiety. I burst into tears and they all felt 123 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 3: sorry for me. And that was then my catharsis. You 124 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 3: had to have some kind of catharsis, which I thought 125 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 3: was the name of a car. 126 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 2: I've got it out that and are you poor? Tho. 127 00:05:58,360 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 1: It was terrible. It was terrible. 128 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 3: I mean there were a lot of tangible stories which 129 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 3: were great, but then there'd be a man who'd play 130 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 3: a harp to access the Akashic records, a compendium of 131 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 3: mystical knowledge. Tell me about my past lives. One was 132 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 3: as a Pennsylvanian housewife. If only I'd kept the recipes, 133 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 3: you know. During one show, I met a trio of 134 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 3: San Francisco Groovers who were immortalists. Easy for them to say, 135 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 3: they're only in their forties. They insisted they were quote 136 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 3: grocking on a cellular level and they live forever. 137 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: I should look them up on faithbook. 138 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's check those guys out. 139 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: How they're going. 140 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 3: One of the great stories I covered was in the States, 141 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 3: a group of car company executives doing a rope's course, 142 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 3: and this was all new in the eighties. This involved 143 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 3: them climbing trees and swinging on trapezas, which were designed 144 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 3: to push their limits and build team's spirit. I know 145 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 3: that ropes, courses, and the whole idea of challenging isself 146 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 3: physically to help you become more open to new ways 147 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 3: of thinking has become parse. In the eighties, this concept 148 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 3: was new. Executives were passing out in Indian sweat lodgers, 149 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 3: consulting shamans, and visiting people who channeled all kinds of 150 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 3: ancient beings in search for wisdom. I met a man 151 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 3: who channeled a dolphin. It was interesting to me that dolphins, 152 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 3: ancient spirits, and modern gurus all spoke the same way, 153 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 3: uttering the same platitudes about the need to nurture the 154 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 3: earth and our fellow man blah blah blah. 155 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: I was hoping the. 156 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 3: Dolphin would be more fun catch a ball at least. 157 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 3: But as wacky as some of these things were, the 158 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 3: need for them was real. American industries were crumbling and 159 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 3: being overtaken by Asian companies with new and improved technologies 160 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,559 Speaker 3: and methodologies. New energy is required to teach old dogs 161 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 3: new tricks and think outside the square. I'm writing all 162 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 3: this with the hindsight of a fifty three year old 163 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 3: at the time, I enjoyed the challenge of the Rope's course, 164 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 3: but saw no bigger picture. The words of my producer 165 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 3: Tony stung me when he said, you need to know 166 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 3: more about the world, you need life experience. 167 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: How right he was? I mean, forget old dogs. How 168 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: do you teach new dogs new tricks? 169 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 2: Good point? 170 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: You only can do it by living it. 171 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 2: Really yeah, but you'd be so heart broken in those 172 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 2: times when someone said that to you. 173 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 3: Well, I thought, how can I have more experience? I'm 174 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 3: twenty five, I'm an idiot. 175 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 2: I kind of get it now, though, at the fifty 176 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 2: two I get what that means, because you look at 177 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 2: the stuff you know. Do you find that once you 178 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 2: got past fifty, all of a sudden another It's like 179 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 2: playing a game on a computer. You're a gamer and 180 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 2: you've unlocked another another level. 181 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 3: I think that's called perspective, and I think it's called 182 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 3: grace in a way of being kinder to how you 183 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 3: see other people in the world, but you don't know 184 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 3: when you're on the path. It's almost like it's hindsight 185 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 3: that puts everything in its place, and you don't know 186 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 3: that two a year older. 187 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 2: How would you go with the nuns Vagina. 188 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: Now I go, oh yeah, look, so I've got my 189 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: cathastest waiting out, So I do you mind if I 190 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: just drive off? 191 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 2: Well from my book, I'm going to get a chapter four. 192 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: Also called nuns Vagina. 193 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 2: On are the chances? This is before I got into 194 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 2: all of this. I became a mobile this DJ. One 195 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 2: of those mot wasn't Moby Disc. It was another company 196 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 2: called No Sounds. 197 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: This would have been so you still would be. If 198 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: you're looking for a side hustle, I'll read along to you. 199 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 2: In the casual employment section of the newspapers was an 200 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 2: ad wanted DJs weddings parties, anything full training and equipment 201 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 2: provided no X necessary experience abbreviation, you know print ads 202 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 2: in the newspaper. You'd get less. You'd have to pay sure. 203 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 2: The business was called Night Sounds and they were a 204 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 2: mobile disco operation, not to be confused with Maybe Disc, 205 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 2: which was more the established operation. 206 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: So this was a shonky side. 207 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 2: That's not to say the Night Sounds were any less, 208 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 2: they were just newer. The owner, Michael Jordan, not the basketballer, 209 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 2: was the coolest dude I'd ever met. He was tanned 210 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 2: and wore shoes without socks. But what really made him 211 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 2: cool was a picture over his desk of him with 212 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 2: Doug Moulray. Wow. In the eighties there was a thing 213 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 2: where DJ's radio DJs would roam the earth. They were 214 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 2: the big celebrities, they were the influences of and Doug 215 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 2: Morray was that. Doug Morrow is the reason I do 216 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 2: this now. And what radio DJs would do on the weekend, 217 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 2: they make a celebrity appearance at any of the disco 218 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 2: or the venues around the city. 219 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 3: People did when I worked on Simon Town's End's Wonderworld, 220 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 3: those kid reporters were constantly doing disco appearances and you. 221 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 2: Could make a lot of money in those days. In 222 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 2: the ages you get Doug would get five thousand dollars 223 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 2: for an appearance. Really, he'd go to Carmen's and Miranda 224 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 2: and he wouldn't have to do anything. You'd just show 225 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 2: up there, have a few drinks and get on the 226 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 2: microphone goog Who's won? And that was it. It was. 227 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 2: It was easy money. So I was instantly in an 228 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 2: onboard Michael's team. Michael took on my details and he 229 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 2: said he'd be in touch, and I sort of thought 230 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 2: that I wasn't ever going to hear from him again. 231 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:50,599 Speaker 1: How old were you? 232 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 2: I would have been nineteen. So anyway, out of nowhere, 233 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,439 Speaker 2: my mum comes out one day goes, oh, there someone 234 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 2: on the phone for you. It's a Michael Jordan. And 235 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 2: I didn't know who it was. I've gone back in 236 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 2: because a bit of a fair bit of time, and 237 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 2: he said, it's Michael Jordan at Night Sounds and he said, 238 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 2: we'd like you to come in for a few test runs. 239 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 2: So a test run meant going out on some practice 240 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 2: rounds with some DJs, which more or less became you 241 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 2: became their roadie, carried along their turntable concerts for free, Yeah, 242 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 2: for free, and you'd watch how to Do Everything and 243 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 2: all these DJs, all they'd ever do. You couldn't understand 244 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,599 Speaker 2: a word they said. When they're on the microphone. It 245 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:36,599 Speaker 2: was like being on city rail. That's what they do. 246 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: My favorite song, that's what they. 247 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 2: Would do in the thing. 248 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 1: And was it at parties? It was twenty first it 249 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: was anything yeah. 250 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 2: And after that I was proved to be Night Sounds material. 251 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 2: Many I wasn't. I wasn't a complete dickhead. The other 252 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 2: thing was I had a van my father's probably not 253 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 2: correctly named mental bus as we used to call. 254 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: Sure, But of course what other people called family. 255 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 2: They used to they used to. And I remember when 256 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 2: I went for the interview with Michael as well. I 257 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 2: showed up in the van and he said, so tell 258 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 2: me the story about the van. It was like he 259 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 2: was interviewing the van and not me. I get you. All. 260 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:24,839 Speaker 2: The equipment was pretty cool. You got an AMP to 261 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 2: j B L Bins. They're big speakers, two light boxes 262 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 2: with four different lights, a chaser with a sensor that 263 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 2: made the lights running time with the music, and a console. 264 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 2: The console was more or less a miss mixed test 265 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 2: from Dick Smith that included two turntables which looked they 266 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 2: could have come like from any home system. And finally, 267 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 2: the most important piece of equipment was a microphone. That 268 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 2: was only a waiting game for my first gig, which 269 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 2: didn't take long, probably because the company invested a couple 270 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 2: of thousand bucks worth of equipment so they wanted to 271 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 2: return on their investment. So how it would work. Wendy, 272 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 2: Michael's second in command, would as sign the DJ for 273 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 2: the gig in nineteen eighty six. There are only are 274 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 2: two genres of music that anyone needed. You could be 275 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 2: a rock DJ or a disco one yeah, or a 276 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 2: funk DJ as they call it. I hated funk like 277 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,319 Speaker 2: I hate R and B and rap, so I was 278 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 2: going to be a rock DJ. Choosing to be a 279 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 2: rock DJ probably bit me on the bum a little 280 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 2: bit later on with a story that's coming up. This 281 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 2: is before mobile phones. So what I had to do 282 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 2: was contact Wendy in the office before when, before midday 283 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 2: on a Wednesday to get all the details. So there 284 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 2: was a phone on Canterbury Road and I used to 285 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 2: drive a truck at this time, and I'd have to 286 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 2: be there at one o'clock in the afternoon. You're on 287 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 2: parole on Wednesday and ring up to get through to Wendy. 288 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 2: That phone in its time was never out of service. 289 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 2: It never broke down because it meant I was working 290 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 2: effectively pretty much six days or seven days a week, 291 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 2: up work Friday night doing the disco and Saturday night 292 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 2: one day was my only day off, and driving the 293 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 2: truck all through the week. I remember my first client though, 294 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 2: it was a young man called Darren in bass Hill, 295 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 2: and that's a suburb in south By Sydney. He'd chosen 296 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 2: the aforementioned rock DJ status. I spoke to Darren's mum, 297 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 2: who informed me that Darren was a nice young man. Yes, 298 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 2: he likes rock, but there's a lot of aunts and 299 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 2: uncles that would appreciate something a bit more soothing. Do 300 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 2: you have any ROBERTA Flack? After a visit to Palings 301 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 2: to buy ROBERTA. Flack's Greatest Hits, you got the whole album. 302 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 2: I wouldn't just get a single. I loaded up the 303 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 2: mental bus with my gear and headed off for Basil. 304 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 2: On the way, I picked up my friend oz Mother, because, 305 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 2: to be frank, I was a bit nervous and I 306 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 2: needed some moral support setting up the gear in Darren's backyard, 307 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 2: I took in the surroundings. It was pretty much your 308 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 2: run of the mill suburban backyard. Clothesline, concrete path that 309 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 2: led to a garage, a patch of grass attached to 310 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 2: a three bedroom firebrough house. We're about an hour early 311 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 2: and the only people there were Darren and his mum. 312 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 2: Darren was three years older than me, but he looked 313 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 2: like and acted like a sixteen year old. Oz Mother 314 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 2: made conversation while I got the equipment set up a 315 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 2: good thing. It didn't take long, as oz mother wasn't 316 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 2: that great at the small talk. The nerves were soon 317 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 2: replaced by boredom. The party's official starting time was seven o'clock, 318 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 2: but by seven forty five the only people who had 319 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 2: arrived were his immediate family, which are about three people, 320 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 2: his mum and dad and of course Darren. By eight, 321 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 2: his ratty uncle, who would have been only about thirty 322 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 2: showed up, and the next door aba who'd come over 323 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 2: for an unrelated matter about an hour and so of ROBERTA. 324 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 2: Flack and Middle of the Road Elton John Triple play. 325 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 2: Thirty something uncle comes over to me and says, surely 326 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 2: got something more lively than this shit. I pointed out 327 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 2: that had been requested by the birthday boy's mother, and 328 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 2: he said, I don'ven know why I'm here. Have you 329 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 2: got any angels? I said, sure, sure I did, And 330 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 2: I asked one particular, what do you want? You want 331 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 2: no secrets? Am I ever going to see your face again? 332 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 2: Thirty something said to me, stuff that commercial shit? What 333 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 2: about some real angels on some album tracks? What about 334 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 2: some decent music? You and I will know from being 335 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 2: in this business for a long time the phrase decent music. 336 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 2: What is someone's idea of decent music? So I looked 337 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 2: at Ozmother's and he looked at me, and I said, 338 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 2: oz Mother, go out to the van and get my crate. 339 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 2: Being and bobil DJ, you had music that the general 340 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 2: public wanted to hear. Then you had your own collection, 341 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 2: which season's professionals had told me would hardly ever be 342 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 2: asked for. But here I am on my first gig 343 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 2: and someone was asking for my favorite band in the 344 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 2: whole wide world. All the records, by the way, would 345 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 2: be in milk crates, and in my personal crate. Not 346 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 2: only did I have the whole back catalog of the Angels, 347 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 2: I also had the sex Pistols, Iron Maiden, Dead Kennedy's 348 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 2: and a new metal act called Metallica that create can 349 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 2: I just say, would save my bacon. A couple of 350 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,360 Speaker 2: times I did a Biki's gig in Peahurst. One time 351 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 2: how a roberta flat gut? There was no roberta flak. 352 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 2: And this is the problem about being the rock DJ. 353 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 2: You just get all these rough gigs. So I did 354 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 2: this gig at Peakurst and they had a policy at 355 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 2: night sands once you got past midnight. Then you were 356 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 2: into overtime, so you could stop the party and say 357 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 2: I'm not doing anymore until I get paid overtime money, 358 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 2: which was twenty five dollars an hour, which is a 359 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 2: good bit of money. So I'm sitting there at Scots 360 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 2: to midnight and I'm thinking, so I got on the microphigure. Well, thanks, 361 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 2: thanks for coming along, guys to Choppers Barbecue and twenty 362 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 2: first anyway, that's me for the night. Brendan Jone's signing out. 363 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 2: This guy comes out and he's got like two eyes 364 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 2: rolling in his head. He's drunk as anything. He grabs 365 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 2: me by the shirt and he says, if you stop playing, 366 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 2: I'm going to put you in the ground. Then this 367 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 2: other guy comes out, this massive, even bigger bike. You 368 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 2: go with a red beard whose name was funnily enough, 369 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 2: red Beard punched this guy fair in the head, dead center. 370 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 2: The guy's eyes for a moment lining up and he said, 371 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 2: what's the problem, And I said, I'll explain, explain the 372 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 2: night Sounds policy. I was, you know, nineteen years of 373 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 2: that age, and I looked like my son Dominic, you know, 374 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 2: sort of slender and slight, no hair on the face 375 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 2: or anything. Like that. And then so Red Red Beard 376 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 2: rather got onto the microphone and said. 377 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: Ok are you mothers. 378 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 2: The dtail man's going to stuff first stay for the 379 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 2: next hour, but you've got to pay him twenty five 380 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 2: bucks an hour. The hat's coming around. So this hat 381 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 2: came around. There was five hundred bucks in the hand. 382 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 1: Wow. 383 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 2: I played till nine o'clock the next morning. Wow man. 384 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 2: So it was a that was part of the policy. 385 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 2: But back to Darren's part, please oz mother brought back 386 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 2: my crate and Uncle thirty something started going through all 387 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 2: my records. He then looked at us and he said, 388 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 2: do you guys smoke? I pulled out my cigarettes. He ges, na, 389 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 2: nah this and pulled out this big fat joint. 390 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:03,479 Speaker 1: And how did the night play out? 391 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:08,959 Speaker 2: For both scoops under the console smoking away? And then 392 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 2: the dad comes over and says, it's time for the speeches. 393 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 2: This was my big moment to shine. So I pretty 394 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 2: much go, you know, I'm palming the this is my 395 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 2: first night on the job, palming the joint off over 396 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 2: to Ozma and then they get on the microphone and go, okay, 397 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen, it's time for the speeches. So Dad 398 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 2: comes out Darren's dad, who looked like a bawling version 399 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 2: of Darren. He said, I want to thank you all 400 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 2: for coming, and Darren spoke his piece and he said 401 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,199 Speaker 2: exactly the same thing, except he changed it up by 402 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 2: saying yazor for coming. Oh. Then the champ became skull skull, 403 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 2: skull scale skull. They hand so you did hand? No, 404 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 2: I was a professional. Come on. They handed Darren a 405 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 2: half yard glass, which you made a fair fist off. 406 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 2: So I was bent down to queue up the next record, 407 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 2: and then I hear oz mother go, oh, oh jeez, 408 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 2: that's not good. What about that? Apparently Darren had chucked 409 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 2: up the contents of his yard glass and a mixture 410 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 2: of spit roast and potato bake when all over his 411 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 2: only work mate that bothered the sharp. By ten o'clock, 412 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 2: pretty much everyone had gone, Darren had been tucked into bed, 413 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 2: and missus Darren came over. I after she would be 414 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 2: interested in any home time, which the United Sounds Handbook 415 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 2: had specified, and she declined. She said no, boys, she 416 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 2: could probably we could probably wrap it up, pack up 417 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 2: and head on home. Anyway. On the way home, we're 418 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 2: driving along and a police car pulls us up here 419 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 2: a siren in the background, and I'm quite proud of 420 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 2: myself because I haven't I've had one two point two 421 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 2: beer all night. I've smoked more drugs than Bob Marley, 422 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 2: but back in the eighties it didn't matter. So the 423 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 2: copper pulls is over. He gets out of the car, 424 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 2: walks up to my van. The Toyota hias fan. The 425 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 2: seat is above the wheel, and unbeknownst to me, I'd 426 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 2: put them my seat belt over my shirt, but then 427 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 2: I put my jumper over my seat belt. So I've 428 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,719 Speaker 2: gone to get out of the car and I'm hung up, 429 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 2: so I couldn't. I'm stuck on the side of the car. 430 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 2: And the copper sees this and he goes, geez, man, 431 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 2: you're a bit stuck there, and I'm laughing in my 432 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 2: head off oz Mother's laughing, and the CoP's laughing, and 433 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 2: so oz Mother has to try and undo the seat belt, 434 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 2: but he can't undo it because I've got all my 435 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 2: weight on it and my feet are kind of off 436 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 2: the ground. So the copper had to boost me up 437 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 2: to lift me up. And after all that, after I 438 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 2: get unclipped, he says, so, what are you blokes? Up 439 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 2: to tonight. You haven't been drinking And I said, no, no, no, 440 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 2: I haven't taken anything. Totally, it's totally. I have no 441 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 2: concept of the fact that, like you know, I've been 442 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 2: smoking all this wheat. And he goes, I said, I'm 443 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 2: a mobile DJ, and he said all right, okay, and 444 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 2: I said, I have a look at my equipment. So 445 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 2: I take around to the back of the vent and 446 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 2: he's checking out all my equipment. He's going, well, my 447 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 2: daughter's twenty first just coming out. 448 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: Oh, really got a booking from it. 449 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 2: Well now I never heard from him again, but just 450 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 2: as well these days if that happened, I'd be on RBT. 451 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: How amusing? 452 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 3: Do Do Do? 453 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 2: Do Do Do? I'd be in the Star Attraction. 454 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: Oh, time to have a cup of tea. 455 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 2: See you next time, as we turn the pages of 456 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 2: our lives yet again. 457 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 3: Yes, in another episode of Jones and Amanda's book Club. 458 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 2: Jonesy anders Hi book. 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