1 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:02,720 Speaker 1: Get a. 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 2: I'm Lola Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter, and professional oversharer. 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 2: This podcast is all about celebrating failure because I believe 4 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 2: it's a chance for us to learn, grow and face 5 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 2: our blind spots. Each week, I'll interview a different guest 6 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 2: about their highs as well as their lows, all in 7 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 2: a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail. Hello their friends. 8 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 2: Strap in for a creative I was gonna say creativity episode. 9 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 2: A creative episode with Pip Cowley. She is a photographer, 10 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 2: a creative director, a director, and I'm going to say 11 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 2: a screenwriter as well. But Pip has such a celebrated 12 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 2: career here in America and in Australia. She's Aussie, by 13 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 2: the way, you'll pick that up straight away. And she 14 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: has shot like I'm talking Taylor Swift and Travis Kelcey, 15 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 2: I'm talking Jason Bateman, one of my personal faves, Stephen Colbert, Prince, William, 16 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 2: Hugh Jackman, like non stop this This human is such 17 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 2: a go getter and comes from like worked at Channel V. 18 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:19,279 Speaker 1: Passionate about music. 19 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 2: Came from working in music and being so passionate about that. 20 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 2: She's still such a musohead by the way, loves her 21 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 2: music and then has like morphed into just like being 22 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 2: the master of her own ship, like she shoots beautiful, 23 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 2: big commercial campaigns, and then like athletes, and she shot 24 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 2: for the US Open last year, and just yet, such 25 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:50,559 Speaker 2: a go getter, so sweet, so grounded, so down to earth, 26 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 2: and Pip, I do truly hand on my heart say this. 27 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 2: I feel like I've made a mate in you, and 28 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 2: I feel so lucky because we both live here in 29 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 2: Los Angeles. So to you, the listener, if you are 30 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 2: an aspiring creative, if you want to be your own boss, 31 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 2: this is the episode for you. Pep is really open. 32 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 2: She shares so honestly, so she's kind of like what 33 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 2: you see is what you get, kind of gal. So 34 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 2: I hope you love it. And Pip, thank you. You're 35 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 2: flipping unreal. Hip Cowley, Welcome to the Potter Roony. I 36 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 2: feel like we've been talking about this for a little 37 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 2: while now. 38 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 3: Yeah we have. I think it's been a couple of 39 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 3: months maybe. 40 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you've been on my radar for longer, a 41 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: couple of years. 42 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 3: I want to say, that's nice. 43 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 2: So you, Oh, you're very welcome, my friend. You are 44 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 2: an incredible photographer. You're a creative director and I didn't 45 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 2: know this until I started researching you. You're also like 46 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 2: a film director as well, like you've done some epic shorts. 47 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 3: Ah, thank you. Yeah. 48 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, the directing side of things kicked off during the 49 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 4: pandemic actually really so. Yeah, traditionally been a commercial photographer 50 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 4: for years, and then a really good friend of mine, 51 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 4: John said to me, Hey, I think you'd actually be 52 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 4: a great director. 53 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 3: Would you want to start directing a few things? 54 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 4: And I was like, oh, A bit nervous at first, 55 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 4: and so it took a little while to get some confidence, 56 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 4: but yeah, I directed a couple of shorts during the 57 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 4: pandemic and after that, and then moved into directing commercials 58 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 4: as well in music videos. 59 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 2: I was going to say, so, your career has been 60 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 2: a really fun one to unpack. 61 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: I did not know. Well, I know because we've had dinner, 62 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: but like started at Channel V. 63 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're a full music like music journalist and 64 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: in charge of creating content. So you were actually shooting 65 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 2: stuff yourself on the fly. How do we initially cut 66 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 2: your teeth? Yeah? 67 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 4: I actually I started off at Pacific Magazines on the 68 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 4: kids titles, So I did like pretty sort of the 69 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 4: online content for them, and then I was photographing music 70 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 4: festivals on the side. 71 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 3: It was just something I love doing. 72 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 4: And a good friend of mine said to me one day, 73 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 4: She's like, listen, I think there might be a job 74 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 4: going at Channel V. Would you ever want to work there. 75 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, there would be a dream job 76 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 4: for me, and so I was. I was that Splendor 77 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 4: in the Grass with Marie Claire. I was like taking 78 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 4: photos of like fashions on the field kind of vibe. 79 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, awesome, it was. 80 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was so much fun. 81 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 4: It was really just an excuse for my friend Kate 82 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 4: and I, who was on the editorial team there, to 83 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 4: go to Splendor. So, which is, you know, a big 84 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 4: music festival in Australia. Anyway, I got a call up 85 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 4: from one of the editors from Channel V saying like, hey, 86 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 4: our photographer and journalists fell through for the festival. Would 87 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 4: you want to shoot it and write a story on 88 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 4: it for us? And so I said yes, absolutely, and 89 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 4: then you know a few days later I had a 90 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 4: job interview and got the job and it went from there. 91 00:04:59,560 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 3: Holy. 92 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 2: So you have you're you've always been like a museo 93 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 2: head right, like this is kind of like, yeah, I 94 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 2: feel like that's been as far as like photography with you. 95 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely. 96 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 2: Music was kind of like such a huge part of 97 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 2: how you begun because you did two and a half years 98 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 2: a Channel V, right. 99 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, two and a half yeah, two and a 100 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 4: half or three years something like that. 101 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then cut to New York. 102 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 3: Yes, how did that happen? 103 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: Yeah? 104 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 4: So yeah, I'd been at Channel V for a few 105 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:31,559 Speaker 4: years and I could see that that format was really 106 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 4: on its way out with things like Netflix and YouTube. 107 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 4: So I thought, oh, you know, where can I go next? 108 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 4: Given it felt like there was a ceiling that had 109 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 4: been reached in Australia and that industry. 110 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 3: So yeah, moved out to New York. 111 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 4: I didn't have a job, I knew not very many people, 112 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 4: and yeah, I just started shooting music videos and things 113 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 4: like that from a stills point of view. And then 114 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 4: I was interviewing from you journalism roles, but discovered that 115 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 4: the salaries weren't very good and it's you know, you need. 116 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 3: A solid salary in New York to survive there. 117 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 4: And then I I met some guys through mutual friends 118 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 4: at a party and they're like do you need a job? 119 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 4: And I was like, yeah, I really need a job, 120 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 4: Like would you work in advertising? And I was like, well, 121 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 4: I studied advertising, so yeah, sure, great. Yeah, so I 122 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 4: had an interview with a big ad agency called Anomaly 123 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,239 Speaker 4: as an art director and yeah, I got the job 124 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 4: and so that kicked off my career in New York. 125 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 4: But yeah, from a commercial point of view, so I 126 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 4: switched over from music industry into advertising. 127 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to ask because obviously you're a Los 128 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 2: Angeles girl. 129 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 3: Now, yeah, I miss New York sometimes, yeah. 130 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 4: Of course, Like I still think it's the best city 131 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 4: in the world. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's such a melting 132 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 4: pot for culture and just like the restaurant scene is 133 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 4: so great. It's spontaneous. You could message a friend and 134 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 4: be like, hey, in fifteen minutes, do you want to 135 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 4: go and meet at a bar and they're like yeah, sure, 136 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 4: and you just jump on the subway. 137 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 2: So here's my theory about you, though, I think you are, 138 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 2: like you're very hard working and you definitely do like 139 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 2: plan and like you're traveling every second day. It feels, yeah, 140 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 2: but there's like a spontaneity to you, and I feel like, 141 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 2: and we've talked about this before, but like jobs can 142 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 2: come from just like a random meeting or totally being 143 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 2: out at an event and meeting someone and they're like, oh, 144 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 2: actually you're perfect for what I need. And has that 145 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 2: happened to you? 146 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it happens all the time. A lot 147 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 4: of my work comes from word of mouth, but there 148 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 4: are these like very spontaneous meets when you meet someone 149 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 4: out at a restaurant or a bar or something they're like, actually, 150 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 4: I'm looking for a photographer. 151 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: Perfect. 152 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, it happened recently with a new client that I've 153 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 4: just brought on. She's Australian, she's a creative director and 154 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 4: she just moved into a year role. She's like, oh, 155 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 4: we need photographers and so I'm kicking off that project 156 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 4: soon and that was just a completely random meet. 157 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 2: Well, I'm very excited about that one because selfishly that's 158 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 2: near my house, so we Yeah. 159 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 3: When you do that, yeah, exactly. 160 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 2: Obviously it's been such a dream to deep dive some 161 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 2: of the incredible human beings that you've shot, right. Yeah, 162 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 2: So like even like as soon as I go to 163 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: your website. Mark Ronson in his studio. 164 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was in his studio in New York in Soho. 165 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 4: And that was such an incredible experience for me because 166 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 4: I've admired him for a long time, like I'm a 167 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 4: fan of his music, and so getting to be in 168 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 4: the studio where he recorded with Amy Winehouse and he 169 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 4: produced back to Black there, like that was really special 170 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 4: for me as a music fan. And it was a 171 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 4: project for BBC for their Maestro series and so it 172 00:08:55,720 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 4: was a masterclass with Mark Ronson and seen to him 173 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 4: share all these stories about his process and working with 174 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 4: these phenomenal artists. You know, I was like a little 175 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 4: kid in the candy store. I just you know, just 176 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 4: kept my ears open the whole time. 177 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 2: So were you essentially shooting stills for the whole time 178 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 2: he was filming his masterclass? 179 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. 180 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, a dream there. 181 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. 182 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 4: It was fun because I was shooting while they were filming, 183 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 4: and then. 184 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 3: We did some portraits for the key art as well. 185 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 2: So, oh, it's such a good snap, that snap on 186 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 2: your website. I'm like, I was actually when I was 187 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 2: researching you, Matt's like, that's sick. 188 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 3: Matt's well, yeah, yeah, that was. 189 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 4: It was fun because I'd captured him over the years 190 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 4: as well, So it wasn't the first time i'd like 191 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 4: interacted with him, and he's such a humble guy and 192 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 4: he you know, he's he's done so much, like he 193 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 4: really has progressed so much throughout his career and then 194 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 4: obviously recently doing the music for Barbie, it was just huge. 195 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 4: So but I yeah, he does seemed like someone who's 196 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 4: just remained humble the whole time. 197 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: I love those stories. 198 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 3: Yeah so much. 199 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 2: Now speaking of humble, that is you, my friend. But 200 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 2: but like so you've got this incredible plethora of work 201 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 2: from commercial I feel like you like definitely the music, 202 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 2: but also there's this like athletic side to the way 203 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 2: you shoot, like all the yeah and stuff. Am I 204 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 2: allowed to say Nike? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, 205 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 2: like you're doing a lot of that like very I imagine, 206 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 2: like very specific, Yeah, especially with athletes or like yeah, 207 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 2: does it sit in that kind of space, Yeah, totally. 208 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 4: I started moving into some of the sports side of 209 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 4: things a few years ago. It's I love capturing movement, 210 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 4: and I'm sure you saw that in my work. Like 211 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 4: you know, I'm really a big fan of dance and yeah, 212 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 4: capturing dance as well. But yeah, that the athletic work 213 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 4: has sort of been a dream for me because I've 214 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 4: always wanted to work with brands like Nike, Lula, Lemon, 215 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 4: and so yeah, an opportun comunity came up last year 216 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 4: to shoot the US Track and Field trials for the 217 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 4: Olympics for Nike. 218 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: Yeah you just like, holy Mac, Yeah. 219 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 3: Pinch myself moment. 220 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 2: For sure. 221 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 3: It was just yeah, you know, those jobs are the 222 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 3: dream jobs. 223 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 4: And so I've worked with them from like a creative 224 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 4: perspective for one of their agencies, and so it was 225 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,439 Speaker 4: a just like natural progression. 226 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 3: They're like, actually, do you want to shoot this as well? 227 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, And so working with athletes is just 228 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 4: it's a whole nother level because you know, sometimes you 229 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 4: have control over like you know, you're able to direct, 230 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 4: and then other times, like the you know, the trials, Yeah, 231 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 4: you have no control over like the scene, and so 232 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 4: you're really trying to find those moments, like you're really 233 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:57,239 Speaker 4: watching body language and trying to pick off like the 234 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 4: most sort of like energetic moments in whether they're running 235 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 4: or they're doing pole vault or you know, or finding 236 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 4: something very graphic. 237 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I ever even really thought about it before, 238 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 2: but I imagine a big part of your job is 239 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 2: being super aware of human behavior. Yeah, especially when people 240 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 2: are relax if you're like, yeah, doing out marketing studio, 241 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, sure people to get the 242 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 2: best shot, You're either gonna want them relax or be 243 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 2: like in that kind of like movement space, be able 244 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 2: to like preempt where that like magic moment is going 245 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 2: to be. And so you must have to be like 246 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 2: super sharp when it comes to human behavior and like 247 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 2: reading the play ahead of time. 248 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like that. 249 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, And I think starting off in the music 250 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 4: world really helped me refine those skills and build on 251 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 4: those because same thing, you don't have any control over 252 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 4: the way an artist performs on stage or the way 253 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 4: they move, so you start to. 254 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 3: Look for little moments. 255 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:01,079 Speaker 4: So say you know you're watching cold Play, for example, 256 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 4: and you know that Chris Martin is going to do 257 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 4: some big epic jump at some point during the set, 258 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 4: So you kind of you start to study these artists 259 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 4: and the way they move, and so I look for 260 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 4: the cues where you know Chris Martin's about to run 261 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 4: and then take a leap, and just making sure you're 262 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 4: in the right trying to be in the right place. 263 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 3: At the right time to capture the best angle of it. 264 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 2: And you're not just giving a hypothetical there, You've literally 265 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 2: shot Coldplay, right, yes, yeah, yeah, crazy, yeah, yeah, fun, 266 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 2: amazing And having seen a cold Play concert before, I 267 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 2: can imagine because he's got so much energy, he's like 268 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 2: a little kid. Yeah he is. 269 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's there's such a fun band to watch and 270 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 4: I've been really lucky I've been able to capture them 271 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 4: throughout the years. And Chris Martin is heavily involved with 272 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 4: a nonprofit that I work with called Global Citizen, and 273 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 4: so I've had the pleasure of working with him on 274 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 4: that festival and capturing him at the festival as well. 275 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, a lot of fun to be around. 276 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 2: When you're working so you entrant globalsit is into me 277 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 2: a little bit. So yeah, when you're working around a 278 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 2: non for propit, do you find that people are really 279 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 2: willing to kind of be like work with you and 280 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 2: kind of like it's all for a greater purpose. 281 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: Kind of thing. 282 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 2: Imagine it's a different energy to being like, all right, 283 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 2: we're on a set, yeah, these shots by end of day, 284 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 2: like yeah exactly, versus everyone kind of like bandying together 285 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 2: and being like we want to help, you know, yeah, exactly. 286 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 4: It's such a beautiful atmosphere really like it truly is 287 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 4: is such a like warm, welcoming environment, which is nice. 288 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 4: So yeah, it's such a playground to be in that 289 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 4: environment to capturing like the different artists and the hosts 290 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 4: that they have, something like Hugh Jackman, for example, he's 291 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 4: been involved for years and he's one of the main 292 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 4: hosts of the show. He's he's been such a pleasure 293 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 4: to shoot. Be a joy, yeah, total joy, just like 294 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 4: such a lovely guy and really genuinely wants to help. 295 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 3: And so yeah, it is. 296 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 4: It's nice being in that environment where I think the 297 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 4: guard is down a little bit because they're just there 298 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 4: for the cause versus like promoting a film or something 299 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 4: like that. 300 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 2: Do you mind me asking, like in a nutshell what 301 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 2: the cause is about? 302 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, So Global Citizens whole purpose is to defeat extreme poverty. 303 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 4: The goal has been to do that by twenty thirty, 304 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 4: but you know, with everything that's going on politically, it 305 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 4: feels like a bit of a moving target. So but yeah, 306 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 4: it was founded by some Australians, Yeah, who are awesome. 307 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 4: Hugh Evans is the CEO he's a good friend of mine, 308 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 4: and yeah, it's just it's really incredible to see these 309 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 4: people really fight to try and help, you know, defeat 310 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 4: poverty and improve you know, really like work for a 311 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 4: better future for the planet. 312 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 3: So is that not to like? 313 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 2: And I love that, I love that you're sharing about this, 314 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 2: but I have to ask just because I'm selfishly obsessed 315 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 2: with Steve Cobber. Oh yeah, you shot one of my faves. Yeah, 316 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 2: a few times, haven't you. 317 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. 318 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 4: So he's been a host at the festival and stage moments, 319 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 4: so I have captured him at the festival, and he 320 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 4: does seem like a very genuinely nice guy. 321 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. 322 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 4: So, yeah, I worked on a project with Global Citizen 323 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 4: called One World Together at Home. It was a big 324 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 4: campaign to get people to stay at home during the 325 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 4: pandemic and practice social distancing things like that. 326 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. 327 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 4: So he was one of the hosts with like Jimmy Fallon, 328 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 4: Jimmy Kimmel. 329 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 3: Right, yeah, exactly. 330 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean on some of these things, you 331 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 4: have like limited interactions and there's a talent team that 332 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 4: handle all of. 333 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: That, but still funny. 334 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, and totally like such a beautiful cause. Yeah, kind 335 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 2: of like I don't know, it just feels like this. 336 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 2: I think when this come together, like that's when you 337 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 2: can move the needle. If you're capturing those moments, they're 338 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 2: like pockets of time as well that you never really 339 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 2: get back. 340 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was I mean, obviously it was a project 341 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 4: that just came on very quickly because you know, it 342 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 4: was the start of the pandemic, and Global Citizen were like, okay, 343 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 4: what can we do to help? And they had partnered 344 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 4: up with World Health Organization and Chris Martin wanted to 345 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 4: get involved, so he was the first cab off the rank, 346 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 4: and the idea was that it was just a very 347 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 4: like lo fi kind of acoustic performance in his living 348 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 4: room or his studio at home, and the idea was 349 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 4: sort of to pass the baton onto the next artist 350 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 4: and just encourage like people to stay at home. Say 351 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 4: you know, it was just very much like we're all 352 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 4: in this together. 353 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 3: So yeah, it was fun. 354 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, and like figuring out how to make it all work. 355 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 4: It was just like Okay, the artists are just like 356 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 4: setting up there phone and recording into it, which I 357 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 4: think made it really intimate and yeah, mainly yeah, like. 358 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 2: Private space, Yeah, which I'm sure it feels like for 359 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 2: you sometimes when you're on a gig or if you're 360 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 2: if you're shooting in someone's like studio or at home, 361 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 2: but we as like the regular people don't really get 362 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 2: to see that, you know. Yeah. So also I have 363 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 2: to ask this because I know you're a mega fan 364 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 2: of the US Open, the US Open, haven't you? Yeah, 365 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 2: so insane? Well like yeah, hinging yourself, like hang on. 366 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely. I mean I played tennis since I was 367 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 4: a little kid and very busy, me too, totally totally. 368 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 4: You know. 369 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 3: It was my tennis coach that gave me the nickname Pips, 370 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 3: so really yeah, yeah I love that. 371 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, it was absolutely a dream to go 372 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 4: and shoot the US Open. I got the call up 373 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 4: last year to go and do the like basically the 374 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 4: whole event. 375 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 3: So I was there for two weeks. 376 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 4: I was predominantly there capturing all the celebrities that were 377 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 4: coming in on. 378 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 3: The blue carpet. 379 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 4: But yeah, with my obsession with tennis, so I would 380 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 4: go in early and photograph the games. 381 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, so good, Yeah, it was so much fun. 382 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: Oh oh my goodness. 383 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 2: Okay, So, like I know and I deep dived you, 384 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 2: my friend, I found your tumblr page. 385 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I still have a tumbler. 386 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 2: It's still out there in the oh. 387 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 1: I have to ask. 388 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 2: With such a beautiful and celebrated career, and like we 389 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 2: have just like scratched the surface as far as like 390 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:47,239 Speaker 2: you've also shot Taylor Swift yes, and Travis Kelsey. 391 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, and like my one of my. 392 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 2: Personal fames Jason Bateman, but Princeville Yeah, Like yeah, I'm 393 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 2: just like, holy Max. So like of all of that, Like, 394 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 2: I'm sure, like you've got a Mozilian stories, but is 395 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 2: there a story where you're like, like. 396 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: How am I living this reality right now? Yeah? 397 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 3: I mean. 398 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 4: There are a lot Essentially, I'm like, yeah, do I 399 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 4: go into Taylor Swift and the Grammys? 400 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 2: Yeah? 401 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 1: I love that story. 402 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 3: Okay, sure, Yeah. 403 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 4: I got the call up to shoot the Grammys a 404 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 4: couple of years ago, and that was an absolute dream. 405 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: Especially music. 406 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. 407 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 4: A friend of mine is the director of the show, 408 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 4: and there's another photographer that he's worked with for years, 409 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 4: why adored, Terrence Patrick, who normally shoots it, and he 410 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 4: couldn't do it that year, and they're like, hey, do 411 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 4: you want to come on and shoot the Grammys? I'm like, yeah, absolutely, 412 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 4: I definitely want to do that, and so yeah, I 413 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 4: mean it was such an incredible experience. I got to 414 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 4: be there for the rehearsals and it was the fifty 415 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 4: years of Hip Hop celebration and then you know, cut 416 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 4: to the night and I just got to roam around 417 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 4: the floor and You've got all the artists tables and 418 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 4: it's a feast for the eyes for anyone who loves music. 419 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 4: And it wasn't really like Taylor Swift's year that year, 420 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 4: it was Beyonce's year. She ended up winning the most 421 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 4: Grammys of all time, so all eyes were on her. 422 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 4: And so Taylor was like a kind of at her 423 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 4: table and she kept calling me over. 424 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 3: She's like, come here, come and photograph me. 425 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 4: And so yeah, I kept going over to her table 426 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 4: throughout the night and she's just very bubbly and warm, 427 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 4: and yeah, it was just loving it. 428 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: So oh my god, Yeah, it was fun. 429 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 4: It's like nice having those interactions with artists who like 430 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 4: genuinely want you to be there and capture them. 431 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 2: And what do you think made her draw to you? Like, 432 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 2: were you the only female like photographer? What do you 433 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 2: think that was? 434 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 4: I think so yeah, I really was the only female 435 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 4: photographer sort of roaming the floor really just three of 436 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 4: us who were able to kind of cat to the tables, 437 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 4: and so yeah, I do think maybe, yeah, yeah, I 438 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 4: think maybe because I was the only female, I did 439 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 4: feel like a lot of the female artists kept calling. 440 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 3: Me over to them. That's really nice. Yeah, it was nice. 441 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 4: And I had a moment where I had a really 442 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 4: like a gut feeling that Beyonce was about to win 443 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 4: an award. Yeah, and so I positioned myself in an 444 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 4: area where I was like, Okay, I think if I 445 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 4: stand here, I might be able to be the first 446 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,360 Speaker 4: photographer to capture some portraits of her after she's won 447 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 4: the award. 448 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 3: So I did it. 449 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 4: I got there, and then Lizzo and Adele were they're 450 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 4: congratulating her. So I got this sort of first portrait 451 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 4: of the ladies together and it just yeah, it felt good. 452 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, oh my goodness. 453 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 2: And I think also, if you go back to like 454 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 2: Channel V and you were like, oh my god, this 455 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 2: is my dream job. 456 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, cut to literally at. 457 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 2: The Grammys, You're right, yeah, like Beyonce, Lizzo, Adele Taylor 458 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 2: like that's it's wild. 459 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 4: I know. Yeah, it was one of those moments where 460 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 4: I was like, oh wow, this is absolutely a dream 461 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 4: come true for me. 462 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, goodness. 463 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 2: I mean there are young creatives that listen to this podcast, 464 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 2: and I always like to ask someone that's creative that's 465 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 2: like out out there kind of like making a go 466 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 2: of it. Yeah, what advice do you have to someone 467 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 2: that they might have a creative dream, whether it's like writing, directing, photography, acting, whatever. Yeah, 468 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 2: you can all feel really daunting at the start, especially 469 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 2: Australia VERSUS America, like there is that whole like picture 470 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 2: as well, but like totally what advice do you have 471 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 2: for a creative. 472 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think you've really got to be persistent, 473 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 4: that's one of the main things. And also go out 474 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 4: there and if you're a photographer for example, or you're 475 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 4: wanting to direct, like go out and shoot your passion projects. 476 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. I really think that's key. Like when I think creative. 477 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 4: Directors and art directors are looking for photographers directors, they 478 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 4: really want to see those personal projects because they want 479 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 4: to see how you see the well through your lens. 480 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 4: So I think that's the main thing. And then outreach, 481 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 4: like don't be afraid to reach out to people. 482 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 3: That you want to work with, which so scary as 483 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 3: an Aussie. 484 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: I think that's the thing. 485 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 2: I'm learning the more that I interview Aussies here in 486 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 2: America that have made it. Yeah, they usually give that 487 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 2: advice of like, don't be afraid of asking, don't be 488 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 2: afraid of reaching out to someone you want to work with, 489 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 2: don't like because the work it's it's literally until you ask, 490 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 2: it's going to be a no anyway exactly. 491 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 1: You have to be like and it's scary. 492 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 2: It takes a bit of courage because it's not necessarily 493 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 2: the Aussie way. 494 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 1: We can't go back a bit. 495 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 3: Then yeah, we do. 496 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 4: And that's actually how I got my first internship in 497 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 4: New York. I don't know if I ever told you this, 498 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 4: but I lived in New York when I was twenty 499 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 4: one for about five months, and when I was in 500 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 4: my final year at university, there was a scholarship pro 501 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 4: to do an internship in New York and apply for it. 502 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 4: Didn't get it. So I wrote to fifty different ad 503 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 4: agencies in New York and it was like, we'll let 504 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 4: anyone you know trying to get an internship, and one 505 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 4: wrote back. 506 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: One out of fifty. 507 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 4: One wrote back and they said, yeah, we'd love to 508 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 4: have you and so, and it was not an AD agency, 509 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 4: but it was the International Advertising Association. 510 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: Amazing. 511 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, but it gave me access to working on a 512 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 4: lot of events with like professionals in the industry. So 513 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 4: it just helped me kind of build a network that 514 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 4: eventually I moved back to New York and had some 515 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 4: of those contacts already. 516 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, good on you at twenty one. 517 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's encouragement. 518 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. 519 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: So I always some days I. 520 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 2: Find, like living in America, are like, oh. 521 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: My goodness, this is the best, and yeah, there's. 522 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 2: So much opportunity and like you and me were hanging 523 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,679 Speaker 2: out a few weeks ago to SAG screening. Yeah, in 524 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 2: a SAG building, Like yeah, those moments where you're like like, ah, 525 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 2: this is unreal. 526 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, But then there are also moments, especially. 527 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 2: In like actor world, you'll be auditioning, auditioning aud and 528 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 2: you don't get feedback. You literally just get donuts, Like 529 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 2: there is no response. And it might not be that 530 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 2: your tape's bad. It might just be that they need 531 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 2: a blonde and you're not want whatever it is. 532 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, of course used to be blonde, but. 533 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 2: I guess I guess my question is like, how do 534 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 2: you navigate those days where because I always say La 535 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 2: is a beautiful but brutal beast, totally yeah, And how 536 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 2: do you navigate those days that feel a little bit 537 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 2: more on the more brutal of sides as opposed to 538 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 2: the beautiful of sides. 539 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 4: It's a tough one because you might go for a 540 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 4: few weeks or a month or so without like caring 541 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 4: about the next job, and so yeah, sitting in that 542 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 4: silence can be really rough. So I think, really it's 543 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 4: like having the support of your friends and family and 544 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 4: I think read out to other people who work in 545 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 4: a similar field. Like I'm not sure if you have 546 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 4: like active friends that you reachat to if you're like, 547 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 4: oh I just had a really bad audition, Like can 548 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 4: we chat? I think it's just yeah, keeping close with 549 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 4: your friends and and making sure that you you know, 550 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 4: talk to them and say, hey, I'm like having a 551 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,199 Speaker 4: hard time and you know they'll help boost you up 552 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 4: and say it's okay, job's gonna come soon. So having 553 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 4: that like network around you that I think that it's 554 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,400 Speaker 4: like you got this. It's like I think having a 555 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 4: combination of Americans and Aussies around you. Yeah, for sure, 556 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 4: because the Aussies know how hard it is to like 557 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,880 Speaker 4: just physically get here. Yeah, like vis a kind of picture. 558 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 4: So that's yes, for sure. 559 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 2: And so they know that even just being here and 560 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 2: sitting and having a twelve dollar coffee, like it's. 561 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: Like a feat. 562 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 2: It's a riot, right, but it's that's like a win 563 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 2: in and of itsself totally. And so yeah, my next 564 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 2: question off the back of this is you live a 565 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 2: very fast paced life. You are go, go go, Like 566 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 2: you were on a different time zone what four days ago? 567 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was, you were in Australia. 568 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,120 Speaker 2: And I literally wrote to you when you got back. 569 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 2: I was like, do you need to move this pod? 570 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 2: Like you're probably going to be feeling jetlagged and you're like, oh, 571 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 2: let me get back to you tomorrow and you're like no, no, 572 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 2: we're good Fridays. 573 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh my goodness. 574 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,360 Speaker 2: So you've got this incredible ability to kind of like 575 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 2: keep that momentum and keep going. But how do you 576 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 2: stay grounded when you're like flying here, flying there, or 577 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 2: you know, you've been working here all morning before this pod, Like, yeah, 578 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 2: one of your practices was staying grad I know you 579 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 2: loved the ocean and all of that. 580 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. 581 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 4: I think there are a few things, and it's trying 582 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 4: to find some sort of routine when I'm freelancing, and 583 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 4: which can be difficult. But yeah, some of the things 584 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 4: are I mean, I have a dog. I knew this 585 00:28:54,960 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 4: little ziggy man, and so you're taking him for walks 586 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 4: on the beach. That's a big one for me. Meditation, 587 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 4: Oh you it. 588 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: I didn't know you meditated. 589 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 4: Yeah. 590 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 3: I fall in and out of practice of it. 591 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 4: I wouldn't say I'm like very consistent, but I know 592 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 4: on the days that I do meditate, I feel really 593 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 4: grounded and focused. So I know it's something that is 594 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 4: really good, you know, for keeping me grounded. It's just 595 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 4: reminding myself to continue that practice. And then I also 596 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 4: love like high intensity interval training. 597 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 3: So you yeah, I do love my Barries. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, 598 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 3: how good? 599 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,479 Speaker 4: Yeah, So I try and go to a couple of 600 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 4: Barries boot camp classes. Yeah exactly. I think like movement 601 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 4: really helps. Do you miss Australia, I mean course, yeah, 602 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 4: I mean it's so hard not to like, I still 603 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 4: think Australia is the most beautiful country in the world. 604 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: Breed. 605 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. 606 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 4: My family there, A lot of my closest friends are 607 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 4: still there. I have an Adora niss a nephew who 608 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 4: I love spending time with. So yeah, it's I mean, 609 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 4: it is hard having that distance, but I think having 610 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 4: things like FaceTime makes it totally so much easier than 611 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 4: what it used to be. So yeah, you can kind 612 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 4: of keep in touch. And it's certainly a much shorter 613 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 4: flight from LA to Sydney than New York to Sydney, 614 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 4: so I think having it just be one flight instead 615 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 4: of two is much nicer. 616 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: Agreed, Yeah, it definitely. 617 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 2: Makes it like you do know, if something happened and 618 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 2: you need to get to a strobery quickly, you just know, okay, 619 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 2: that's a night flight where badly as opposed to a 620 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 2: thirty hour situation. 621 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. Yeah. So and also I missed the beach. 622 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: Is there? Do you miss the beach? 623 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 2: We went to Laguna Beach here the other day and 624 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, and I just want to feet 625 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 2: in the ocean. 626 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was like, oh. 627 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:53,239 Speaker 2: This is great, Like I forget how I forget how much? 628 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 2: Because also home for us is Byron based exactly, we 629 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 2: missed the ocean but and you've touched on this or 630 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 2: read but like and because LA is a very opportunity 631 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 2: go go go, everyone's got a pitch, everyone's got something 632 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 2: there working on. Everyone's like, which is really fun energy 633 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 2: to be in. 634 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. 635 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 2: Of course there's a flip side to that energy too, 636 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 2: where there's a lot of like fluff. 637 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of hot air in LA. 638 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 4: Yeah. 639 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, And so like, how do you like navigate and 640 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 2: find the real buds amongst that, because like I know, 641 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 2: when you and I caught. 642 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: Up, I was like, oh, what a breath of fresh air? 643 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 3: You know what you like? 644 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 2: And it's but I think it's also like mutual friends 645 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 2: recommended we they're like you two would yeah, I like 646 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 2: a house on fight. 647 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 3: They did. They were right, they will take you. 648 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: Thank you friends. 649 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 2: But how important to you is like real buds? And 650 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 2: I know you've got some like real mates that eat 651 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 2: Aussies that live here that also have those kind of 652 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 2: like lives where it's that freelance eski kind of like 653 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 2: what you're saying, have that community around you. Yeah, but yeah, 654 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 2: how do you navigate the fluff and how do you 655 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 2: like find the real ones? 656 00:31:58,400 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 3: Ah? 657 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 4: I think I think I have a pretty good radar 658 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 4: for it at this point because I certainly come across 659 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 4: all kinds of personalities in my work, and I think, 660 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 4: you know who your real friends are, and yeah it's 661 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 4: I you know, it's the people where there's the two 662 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 4: way communication. So it just feels easy and natural. I 663 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 4: think that's how to get around it. I don't know, 664 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 4: I think, yeah, I have a high bullshit radar. 665 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I also think it comes back to what 666 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 2: you were saying at the start when you were talking 667 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 2: about photographing athletes being aware of human behavior totally. So 668 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 2: I think you're probably good at sitting in a room 669 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 2: and being like, yeah, I got a pretty good read 670 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 2: of what's going on right now. 671 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 672 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, because yeah I think so, And of course, like 673 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 4: we get it wrong and yeah. 674 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 2: But I'm growing up, Yeah exactly, Yeah. 675 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 3: We need those lessons, but yeah, I do. 676 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,719 Speaker 4: I do think it is reading body language and tone 677 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 4: and communication things like that. So yeah, I feel really 678 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 4: lucky because I've got such a great group of Australian 679 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 4: friends here, but I've also made amazing American friends too, 680 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 4: and they've been such a huge support network. 681 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 3: So I feel very grateful for my American friends. 682 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: You've got a good you got good combo. 683 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, really nice crew. 684 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: I could talk to you all day long. 685 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 2: Can you believe how quickly this has gone? I know, 686 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 2: it's just like you're me have a little veno. 687 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:21,719 Speaker 3: I know we should. 688 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 2: So my final question is for you and share whatever 689 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 2: you're comfortable sharing. Like, I know you've got some exciting 690 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 2: stuff on the horizon for you that you're working on. 691 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: Yes, what are you comfortable sharing around that? 692 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 2: And too, is a part of it's scary because I 693 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 2: know it's different from what you've been doing. 694 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think you're tapping into the screen. 695 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, push you too far? 696 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 3: That's all right. 697 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's something that I've been thinking about for a 698 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 4: while and an idea that I've had in the back 699 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 4: of my mind. So yeah, I would love to move 700 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 4: into a screenwriting as you know, a long term career option. 701 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 4: But it's super daunting, and there are so many great 702 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 4: writers out there. Who knows if I'm one of them 703 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 4: or not, But yeah, it's I just think it's a 704 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 4: really fun creative challenge. And yeah, it's totally daunting, and 705 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,800 Speaker 4: I don't know what I'm doing, and I'm watching different 706 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 4: films and I have friends who are screenwriters and you know, 707 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:31,919 Speaker 4: been doing workshops with them on. 708 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,320 Speaker 3: A particular script. Yeah, it's fun. 709 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 4: Like, yeah, I think it is just that excitement of 710 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 4: a new challenge. 711 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: It's what I do love about being here. 712 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,839 Speaker 2: You can be an incredible photographer and creative director and 713 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,359 Speaker 2: a screenwriter, Like why can't we do it all? 714 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: Yeah? 715 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 2: So I do like that feeling of like, yeah, you 716 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 2: can be a podcast or an actor, you know what 717 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 2: I mean? We can the like slashy life is celebrated 718 00:34:58,640 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 2: here in America. 719 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, it's yeah. I don't know. 720 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 4: It's funny because when I first moved to New York, 721 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,320 Speaker 4: it wasn't celebrated. It was like you have one lane, 722 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 4: stay an a lane. And then it was opening up 723 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 4: my colleagues the idea of like, oh, I'm an art director, 724 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 4: but I can shoot as well. 725 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:16,799 Speaker 3: Would you give me a go? 726 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 4: And so yeah, I do think it took a minute 727 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 4: to like open people up to that idea. But really 728 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,840 Speaker 4: LA very much has that kind of slashy culture. 729 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,879 Speaker 1: You got to be a slashy mate. 730 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, exactly, Oh my gosh. 731 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 3: Completely. 732 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,879 Speaker 4: But I also just think it keeps things interesting as well. 733 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 4: Like I'm someone that loves working on different projects. That, yeah, 734 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 4: keeping the creative muscle going and diving into different topics. 735 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 2: So if you're if you're between gigs, what do you 736 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 2: do to stay creative? 737 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 1: Is it right? 738 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:52,800 Speaker 2: Yeah? 739 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 3: The writing has been a big thing for me this year. 740 00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, so working on the screenplay and drafting that, thinking 741 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 4: about different scenes and trying to figure out like the 742 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 4: comedy aspect. 743 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 3: So that's been really fun. 744 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 4: And then I certainly try and brainstorm ideas for my 745 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 4: own photo shoots and short films and and things like that. 746 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 3: So that's a part of it for sure. 747 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,319 Speaker 2: And from what what you did, give me a little 748 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 2: taste of what you've been writing. 749 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: Very dear, my friend, very funny. 750 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,839 Speaker 2: So I'm glad that we've got a little bit of 751 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,439 Speaker 2: that here on the pod because I can't wait to 752 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 2: see you know what unfolds for you next, and like 753 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,760 Speaker 2: you know, checking in and just being like, oh my god, 754 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,839 Speaker 2: like I just I'm so excited for you. 755 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 3: Thanks, thanks for doing the pod, Thanks for. 756 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 1: Having me mate, you nailed it. Welcome back anytime. 757 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 3: Ah, thank you, Thanks Ki. Thanks. 758 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 2: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always, 759 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 2: thank you to our guests and let's continue the conversation 760 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,359 Speaker 2: on Instagram. I'm at Yamo Lollerberry. 761 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,760 Speaker 1: This potty my work. 762 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:09,359 Speaker 2: For podcast is available on all streaming platforms. I'd love 763 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,440 Speaker 2: it if you could subscribe, rape and comment, and of 764 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 2: course spread the love.