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Speaker 1: In an effort to further crackdown on alcohol related antisocial behavior,

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Speaker 1: the governments say that they're going to be looking to

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Speaker 1: increase fines for refusing to leave a licensed premises. So

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Speaker 1: it's going to increase to eight hundred and eighty dollars

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Speaker 1: this deterrent measure. It comes under the Liquor Legislation Amendment

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Speaker 1: Bill of twenty twenty four, which is going to be

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Speaker 1: debated when Parliament sits next week. Now joining us in

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Speaker 1: the studio is the Opposition leader Lea Finocchiarro. Good morning

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Speaker 1: to you, Leah.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Leah finds it up to eight hundred and eighty dollars

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Speaker 1: for those who refuse to leave a licensed premises.

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Speaker 2: Will it work? I think it's a good step.

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Speaker 3: Of course, this comes off the back of labor actually

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Speaker 3: reduce these So the CLP last time in government raised

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Speaker 3: these fines to five hundred and sixty Labour then warded

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Speaker 3: it down to one hundred and seventy six dollars.

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Speaker 2: When did that happen?

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Speaker 3: That was about twenty nineteen, so when they were doing

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Speaker 3: all of their horrendous liquor reforms which have resulted in

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Speaker 3: nothing but increased alcohol, fuel and violence. So to bring

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Speaker 3: that price back up to a point where it's really

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Speaker 3: going to people will think twice about their behavior if

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Speaker 3: they know they're going to be paying eight hundred and

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Speaker 3: eighty dollars. So we'll certainly be supporting that in Parliament

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Speaker 3: next week. But I think it's just again another example

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Speaker 3: of where labor have trashed the territory for the last

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Speaker 3: eight years and now they're playing catch up because there's

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Speaker 3: an election on the horizon.

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Speaker 1: Look, I think it's it looks like it's a good

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Speaker 1: move and we're going to catch up with hospitality in

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Speaker 1: about fifteen minutes. Time to talk more about it. I

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Speaker 1: guess the concern here is that in some cases you've

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Speaker 1: got people, though who maybe won't leave a premise. Premises,

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Speaker 1: who are they ever going to pay the fine?

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Speaker 3: Well, people should pay their fines, and if you don't

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Speaker 3: pay your fine, there's a lot more problems come in.

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Speaker 2: Your way than just paying the time.

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Speaker 3: Right, there is, But there's actually a lot more ways

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Speaker 3: that government could be recouping those fines, and again it's

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Speaker 3: just another area of the law that labor turn a

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Speaker 3: blind eye to. They're happy for people to rack up

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Speaker 3: fines and not follow through with the consequences. But this

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Speaker 3: gives police and you know, pubs and clubs the opportunity

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Speaker 3: to really set a standard of behavior. And there's a

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Speaker 3: marketing campaign around this around you know. I think it

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Speaker 3: was don't have an eight hundred and eighty dollar hangover,

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Speaker 3: you know. So it's really about mates supporting each other

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Speaker 3: when they're out saying, hang on a second, we've been

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Speaker 3: asked to go, let's just get out of here, which

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Speaker 3: is obviously quite different than to different levels of antisocial

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Speaker 3: behavior and alcohol fueled harm we see elsewhere. So it's

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Speaker 3: not a silver bullet for a for all situations, but

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Speaker 3: it's certainly a step in the right direction, because again,

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Speaker 3: if there isn't a consequence for doing the wrong thing,

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Speaker 3: people will continue to do the wrong thing, and that

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Speaker 3: is what we've seen under labor.

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Speaker 1: So it does sound as though the CLP is going

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Speaker 1: to support this change when it gets debated in Parliament

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Speaker 1: next week.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, consequences for offending is something we'll support.

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Speaker 1: Now after many months, as of yesterday's security guards at

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Speaker 1: bottle shops across the Northern Territory going to be able

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Speaker 1: to apply to equip themselves with OC sprite work. It

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Speaker 1: will add like you've just touched on. It's just that

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Speaker 1: other layer. I guess of protection for workers and shoppers.

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Speaker 1: All security personnel who applied to carry that OC spray

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Speaker 1: must have completed the nationally accredited defend using Spray course

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Speaker 1: within the past six months and also hold the correct

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Speaker 1: first aid qualifications. Lea, Do you think this is enough

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Speaker 1: to keep bottle shop workers safe?

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Speaker 3: Well? No, And of course this announcement came out after

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Speaker 3: the tragic death of Declan Lavity at work at his

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Speaker 3: bottle shop. We had Labour come out and say they

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Speaker 3: would take immediate action. Well, Katie, it's four hundred and

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Speaker 3: eleven days since Labor we're going to take immediate action,

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Speaker 3: and all they've done is an announce an application process,

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Speaker 3: So this is anything but immediate.

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Speaker 2: It's come far too late.

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Speaker 3: We continue to see shocking levels of violence at our

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Speaker 3: bottle shops, ram raids, threats to staff, and this is

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Speaker 3: just a really simple protection that people have been calling

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Speaker 3: for for four hundred and eleven days. So the fact

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Speaker 3: that applications have only just opened is very disappointed and

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Speaker 3: it remains unclear when we'll actually see the deployment of

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Speaker 3: OC spray to protect our workers.

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Speaker 1: Do you reckon we need to look at the legalization

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Speaker 1: of personalized pepper spray or oc spray.

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Speaker 3: Well, people certainly feel like that's where crime is at.

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Speaker 3: The reality is, though, we shouldn't be saying to the

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Speaker 3: everyday person, well, crimes is bad, you have.

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Speaker 2: To arm up and protect yourself.

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Speaker 3: That's not a territory I want for the future, Katie.

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Speaker 3: That's not the territory we all want to have for

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Speaker 3: our families. It's a territory that's safe where we don't

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Speaker 3: have to bear arms just to protect ourselves to go

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Speaker 3: to the ice cream store, or go and buy a

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Speaker 3: bottle of wine to have with dinner and friends. So

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Speaker 3: whilst we support the fact that security guards can now apply,

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Speaker 3: it does come to a little too late, But we

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Speaker 3: don't support this blanket concept that labor is chugging down

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Speaker 3: this path while everyone else has to protect themselves.

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Speaker 1: I will say, though, it's a debate that's being had nationally,

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Speaker 1: and it does follow on from the terribly tragic situation

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Speaker 1: that we saw at Bondi, but also when you talk

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Speaker 1: about some of the other terrible gender based violence that

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Speaker 1: we're seeing. So I guess that's why us, not just

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Speaker 1: are being experienced around the nation. I mean, is it

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Speaker 1: something that across Australia we need to take a closer

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Speaker 1: look at. So people do feel so if they're out

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Speaker 1: for a run and someone tries to attack you, you've

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Speaker 1: got more than just to fist to try and protect.

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Speaker 2: Just sure, and you know, you see it a lot.

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Speaker 3: If I'm out, Katie, I see, particularly women, they might

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Speaker 3: walk with their keys in their hand. I notice all

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Speaker 3: of these subtle ways in which people are desperately trying

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Speaker 3: to protect themselves. But again, it's about strengthening the laws,

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Speaker 3: giving better powers to police, upholding community standards, making sure

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Speaker 3: there's consequences for offending, but not just consequences, that there's

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Speaker 3: pathways out of crime. Seventy five percent of all people

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Speaker 3: sitting in our prisons today have been there before, which

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Speaker 3: means what's happening inside prison is not working, which is

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Speaker 3: why there needs to be a stronger focus on skills training,

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Speaker 3: on drug, alcohol, behavior change rehabilitation, because when people leave prison,

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Speaker 3: they should be leaving prison better off than what they

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Speaker 3: were when they went in and reintegrate as part of

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Speaker 3: our community being a productive member of society,