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Speaker 1: Well, a very good morning and welcome to a very

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Speaker 1: Seat of Solomon. We know that tomorrow is indeed federal

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Speaker 1: election day, the day in which we'll determine who's going

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Speaker 1: us here in Darwin and beyond in the Seat of Solomon. Now,

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Speaker 1: we decided we do the week that was a little

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Speaker 1: bit different and invite, well, invite some different panelists on

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Speaker 1: this morning. I mean, we've still got our regular Matt Cunningham,

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Speaker 1: Good morning.

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Speaker 2: To you, morning Katie.

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Speaker 1: Now Matt and I are sharing a microphone, so it

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Speaker 1: could be interesting because we both love a chat. But

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Speaker 1: we've also got our three candidates for the Seat of

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Speaker 1: Independent Phil Scott, Good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Phil, Good morning with you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, lovely to have you on the show.

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Speaker 1: We have indeed got the colp's candidate Lisa Bayless, Good

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Speaker 1: morning to you, Lisa.

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Speaker 4: Good morning Katie, and good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: And of course Luke Gosling not his first time in

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Speaker 1: member for Labor Luke Goslin, Good morning to you, Gay Katie.

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Speaker 1: Good to have you all in the studio. Now, I

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Speaker 1: just to remind our listeners, it is of course a

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Speaker 1: discussion about the issues of the week, but we will

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Speaker 1: of tomorrow's federal election. Now, just a reminder to please

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Speaker 1: Matt Nile obviously asks plenty of questions as we go

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Speaker 1: We know that crime has indeed been an issue which

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Speaker 1: but it has once again reached tragic proportions with the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory Government convene Parliament on urgency this week to

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Speaker 1: pass legislation which will see the presumption against bail applied

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Speaker 1: to serious violent offenses, which includes assault with intent to

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Speaker 1: act now. According to the Attorney General, the bill also

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Speaker 1: changes the test for the offenses that the presumption against

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Speaker 5: Yeah, cad, if you just allow me to make a

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Speaker 5: So these are persistent issues that need real support from

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Speaker 5: the Commonwealth. Let's be really clear, nine dollars out of

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Speaker 5: That's why our partnership is so important with the NT government.

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Speaker 5: But we didn't give extra resources to the end government

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Speaker 5: That's just not true.

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Speaker 6: You'd have an interesting perspective from.

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Speaker 4: The police as everyone knows that when you have a

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Speaker 6: The housing's not going to be taken off, clearly.

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Speaker 4: And clearly you haven't done a haven't done any negotiations

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Speaker 6: I've never worked for a union.

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Speaker 4: We're talking about the root causes of crime here.

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Speaker 6: Actually, no, that's what I was getting to in the

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Speaker 3: Or did you want to go to live, Well, let's

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Speaker 5: So I put up five million dollars for Youth Engagement

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Speaker 5: We want to support young people and make sure that

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Speaker 1: Absolutely those things are required. We know that early intervention

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Speaker 3: But we're in a situation.

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Speaker 6: Mining your police well, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, but the fact is we do need It's not

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Speaker 4: I think it's you know, Katie, we had over eight

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Speaker 3: Like actually you're saying they say.

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Speaker 4: That, They say that, they say that to you know,

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Speaker 4: There are so many layers within there, and having a

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Speaker 4: I'm just going to go back again to you know,

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Speaker 2: So they should get more than three percent.

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Speaker 4: Then I cannot be I cannot be impartial when it

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Speaker 4: we're not just looking at police, You're looking at it.

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Speaker 4: You're looking at all all the different the different areas education, health.

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Speaker 4: Everyone always thinks that, you know, they need to get

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Speaker 7: On your campaigns very closely linked to Leaf and I mean,

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Speaker 4: And again I'll go back to the Leaf and government

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Speaker 7: So we're not saying that though, Phil your campaign is

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Speaker 7: Over the past week and a half, we've just seen

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Speaker 7: Do you support what the government did this week?

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Speaker 8: I absolutely believe that everybody has a right to feel

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Speaker 8: that these responses are not being given proper consideration by

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Speaker 8: I'm very skeptical of parties imposing these without giving due

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Speaker 4: You've got to remember that the colp government was elected

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Speaker 4: expect that we have the tough as Bayol laws in

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Speaker 8: Oh absolutely, I agree with that. I'm just saying that

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Speaker 5: Can I just make a point, Catie, just quickly about

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 5: I've had five million dollars on the table for a

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Speaker 7: So I mean the point is though that the points

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Speaker 5: Of Casinea fire station. They got rid of it, they

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Speaker 7: But a lot of these things, a lot of these

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Speaker 5: I'm not here to defend the former anti government. What

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Speaker 5: I'm saying is we are partnered federally. The alban Easy

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Speaker 4: You've been in this position for nine years and I

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Speaker 7: Does the federal coalition government deserves some of the blame here,

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Speaker 7: Would you accept that the Federal Coalition deserves to wear

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Speaker 4: Look, I remember that when we had the intervention and

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Speaker 7: I'm not talking about the indiventual on that intervention that

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Speaker 7: the Royal commission that the Malcolm Turnbull called in twenty

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, no, I remember, and again we saw the

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Speaker 1: Look, we are going to have to take a very

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Speaker 1: short break. Well, it is three point sixty and it

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Speaker 1: it comes to the election, there has been a lot

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Speaker 1: of discussion about cost of living. I think it's safe

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Speaker 1: biggest issues impacting territories ahead of tomorrow's election, and the

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Speaker 1: major political parties have taken different approaches in terms of

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Speaker 3: That we are all still struggling with the cost of living.

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Speaker 1: I mean, where are each of you ash in terms

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Speaker 4: Yes, look, Cartie, I'll go first if that's okay, Luke,

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Speaker 4: the coalition that we've got a plan. You would have

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Speaker 4: fuel tax excize by fifty percent, so that's saving twenty

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Speaker 4: That's a real practical saving. I think for families and businesses,

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Speaker 4: it's something that every day we've got to fill up

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Speaker 4: For two car family, you're looking at about fifteen hundred

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Speaker 4: for people to hear that the col we'll do. I'm

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Speaker 4: sure the other thing that the other thing, well, it

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Speaker 2: Has that been discussed in a twelve month extension.

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Speaker 4: Well, it has been, it has been, but not locked in.

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Speaker 4: It's one of those things Let's see what the economy

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Speaker 6: It's just a one off though it's not tem it's

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Speaker 4: It is and I think the economy, the economy of

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Speaker 4: the two things when I've been outdoor knocking, one is crime.

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Speaker 4: the second thing is cost of living. And I know,

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Speaker 5: Can I do a bit of just so we can

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Speaker 5: compare in contrast, so cost of living has been elbow.

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Speaker 5: By twenty seven to twenty eight, we're looking at two

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Speaker 5: Fuel excise drop, it's pretty heroic to think that you're

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Speaker 4: So this is aimed the Prime Minister promise to everyone

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Speaker 6: Times four hundred and fifty power.

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Speaker 4: Production and we've seen them go up by more than

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Speaker 6: Say what we're committed to I can just get that party.

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Speaker 2: What do you reckon foe hundred and fifty reckon cost

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Speaker 8: First of all, tinkering around the edges with a twelve

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Speaker 6: We like.

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Speaker 8: These sugar hits that we give to the electrics every

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Speaker 8: lack of vision from the parties. We need six systemic

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Speaker 4: We have a cost of corporate greed film.

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Speaker 8: By speaking, we have a cost of corporate greed crisis. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: we have small businesses paying twenty eight percent tax. We

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Speaker 8: It is small businesses and working people who are doing

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Speaker 8: we're suggesting is actually, let's look at systemic tax reform

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Speaker 7: Can I just ask you one before before Luke has go,

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Speaker 7: But can I just ask you one question about the

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Speaker 7: point you made about coals and bullies and those big

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Speaker 7: corporations donating to the major parties. I saw a story

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Speaker 7: in the ABC this week that had asked thirty five

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Speaker 7: Climate two hundred backed candidates to disclose their funding, and

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Speaker 7: I think nineteen of them did and sixteen of them didn't,

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Speaker 7: And I think you were one of the ones that didn't.

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Speaker 7: If I'm wrong, is if you're talking about this transparency

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Speaker 7: and integrity, why wouldn't you make that information public.

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Speaker 8: We are scrupulous and making sure that we're adhering to

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Speaker 8: the Australian Electoral Commissions disclosure laws.

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Speaker 7: I understand that, but your movement of your campaign has

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Speaker 7: talked about going further than that. We want to be

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Speaker 7: better than that. We want to be more transparent than that.

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Speaker 7: We want people to have real vision across who's giving

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Speaker 7: what money to who for what reason? Given you've set

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Speaker 7: the bar there, should you not then comply with the

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Speaker 7: bar you've set rather than what the AAC.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's why we're campaigning for full disclosure changes to

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Speaker 8: these laws. At the moment, we're adhere to the laws.

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Speaker 8: We want to change the laws, but we're not going

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Speaker 8: to cut off our nose to spite our face because

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Speaker 8: we're already underfunded as a community independent campaign, unlike the

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Speaker 8: two parties. We can't afford to fly out volunteers from

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Speaker 8: interstate to stuff pre polling booths. In the last two weeks,

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Speaker 8: we are volunteers.

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Speaker 4: You have actually spoken to that, and I say, Luke,

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Speaker 4: that that you guys have spent more money on advertising,

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Speaker 4: more money on coll flutes than than I believe I have.

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Speaker 4: And so your budget is obviously quite healthy.

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Speaker 5: Phil territory to know that because when they drive around

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Speaker 5: Darwin and Palmerston they see a picture of Phil on

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Speaker 5: every corner.

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Speaker 3: Sound healthy about the money he's getting. I mean, don't

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Speaker 3: you questions that need to be usked.

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Speaker 6: I've got a billionaire and I will.

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Speaker 3: Get back to that in a second. But you know,

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Speaker 3: let's let's not beat around the bush.

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Speaker 1: We know that the major parties do certainly get funding

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Speaker 1: from the unions, and many would argue, you know, the

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Speaker 1: CLP from from wealthy developers or wealthy people across.

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Speaker 3: The Northern territory.

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Speaker 1: But look, I do think this what's a little bit

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Speaker 1: different is that you don't really have a situation where

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Speaker 1: the ALP or the Liberal Party or the COLP, you know,

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Speaker 1: they they know that they're getting money from these big

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Speaker 1: donors and and I mean I don't know who exactly

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Speaker 1: is the major donors to you guys, but it has

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Speaker 1: been an issue in the media this week. Fill with

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Speaker 1: the fact that climates is a climate two hundred or

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Speaker 1: climate two thousand, whatever they're called, that you know that

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Speaker 1: it is the major donor fatial candidates across Australia. How

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Speaker 1: much money have they provided to your campaign?

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Speaker 8: I can't tell you. I'd have to speak to our

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Speaker 8: numbers person. But to run a when we did the

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Speaker 8: numbers to start well, I mean that's what I keep

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Speaker 8: getting asked by these guys because they want to know.

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Speaker 8: And I'll be happy to share that after tomorrow.

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Speaker 6: But we we after everyone's.

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Speaker 8: We are not funded in nearly the same way as

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Speaker 8: these big parties are. They have about eighty shady fundraising

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Speaker 8: entities each across the country. They raise a bit five

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Speaker 8: hundred million dollars from billionaires from big corporations to to

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Speaker 8: fund their campaigns. That you have a bunch of independents

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Speaker 8: across the country billionaire twenty five million dollars between that

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Speaker 8: now funds you to have twenty five million dollars between

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Speaker 8: them trying to compete at that level.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I certainly agree with that on a national stage, right,

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Speaker 1: I agree with that on a national stage, But I

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Speaker 1: think when you're talking about a seat like Solomon in

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory, it's actually a bit of a different

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Speaker 1: discussion because I know, even for Luke and Lisa, and

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Speaker 1: I'm sure for some of the other candidates that are

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Speaker 1: maybe running for the Greens or for whichever, you know,

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Speaker 1: whoever they're running for, you do have a general idea

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Speaker 1: of who's making big donations to your party, I mean,

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Speaker 1: or to your campaign.

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Speaker 3: You do have a pretty good idea.

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Speaker 1: And I think for you know, if you're going to

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Speaker 1: run on a campaign of transparency, then it's important that

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Speaker 1: you are transparent.

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Speaker 8: Yeah. Absolutely, Look, and like I said, before these guys

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Speaker 8: are desperate to know how we're funding our campaign. We

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Speaker 8: have hundreds of local donors from across our community who've donated.

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Speaker 8: You can also have a little on the Climate two

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Speaker 8: hundred website where they're all listed. Yeah, so if you

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Speaker 8: want to know who's donating it is, it is these folks.

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Speaker 8: But the Climate two hundred is a not for profit

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Speaker 8: company that fundraises from regular Australians who want to see

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Speaker 8: a change in our politics because they're over the two

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Speaker 8: major parties, so they donate on the understanding that it's

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Speaker 8: going to go towards community independent campaigns, just to level

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Speaker 8: the playing field. Now, what these guys would have is

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Speaker 8: for us to be some two pot independent campaign scratching

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Speaker 8: around for a few thousand dollars and running it that way.

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Speaker 8: That's the way they'd like to see it. Yeah, But

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Speaker 8: as soon as we get organized and we organize with

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Speaker 8: local people and we actually have volunteers rather than flying

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Speaker 8: people up from Intero State, they start squealing about it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Well, anything on this fundraising as an insult to the

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Speaker 8: people from our community. The hundreds of folks have donated

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Speaker 8: to and continue to donate to this campaign and not

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Speaker 8: only that are putting in hundreds, actually thousands of hours

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Speaker 8: of in kind volunteer support. None of us are being paid.

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Speaker 7: Can I read direct a question to these two, because

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Speaker 7: if you look at the result from twenty twenty two

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Speaker 7: in Solomon, more than thirty five percent of the primary

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Speaker 7: vote went to non went to parties or candidates other

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Speaker 7: than the CLP and the ALP, a number that has

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Speaker 7: been growing every election for quite a while. Is there

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Speaker 7: something that the major parties are doing at the moment

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Speaker 7: that is turning off mainstream voters.

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, let's see, it's up to every territory and

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Speaker 5: to place their vote where they think it's best for

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Speaker 5: the territory in the future of the territory, of the economic.

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Speaker 6: Growth and social growth.

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Speaker 5: So that's a decision that's really important because there's a

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Speaker 5: bit there's a stark contrast between the two major parties.

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Speaker 5: At least it doesn't mention Peter Dunton much, but you know,

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Speaker 5: he's the guy that's putting his hand up to be

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Speaker 5: the alternative prime minister and he's got no idea. But

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Speaker 5: when it comes to the independence, they've.

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Speaker 4: Actually, you know that's fairly typically.

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Speaker 6: Really he does.

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Speaker 4: Character assassination It's very typical of like you run a

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Speaker 4: medi scare campaign, you're constantly you know, throwing dirt. But

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Speaker 4: actually when you look at the substance and the policies

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Speaker 4: that are that are offered. You know, the Liberal Party

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Speaker 4: and the Country Liberal Party, we're conservative, so we're well.

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Speaker 6: Bulk billing is to go back to the post.

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Speaker 4: Willing is something that we have, we have committed to

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Speaker 4: and we've round health. We've also committed to.

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Speaker 6: Haven't you committed?

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Speaker 3: All constructor, I want to talk.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk health, and I do want to

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Speaker 1: talk about some of the announced and said have been

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Speaker 1: made around health. And we know that the Prime Minister

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Speaker 1: was indeed here last month to talk further about Labour's

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Speaker 1: health and age care plan for.

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Speaker 3: The Northern Territory.

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Speaker 1: It includes sixty million dollars to be used in partnership

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Speaker 1: with an age care provider to support the delivery of

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Speaker 1: a residential care home for the Darwin region.

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Speaker 3: Now it's certainly you know, it is welcome news.

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Speaker 1: We know that it's not the first time that money

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Speaker 1: has been allocated to the Northern Territory when it comes

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Speaker 1: to age care beds and goodness knows we need them

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Speaker 1: like we are in a situation where we've got senior territorians,

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Speaker 1: we have got people with dementia who are forced into

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Speaker 1: beds inside Royal Darwin Hospital because there's nowhere else. I

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Speaker 1: think we all all them to go like it's a

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Speaker 1: terrible situation. So I think, why hasn't it happened sooner?

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Speaker 1: Is the question that a lot of people are asking

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Speaker 1: at this point, because you know, we've been out for

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Speaker 1: this before and we still have no age care beds,

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Speaker 1: no extra ones.

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Speaker 5: The agecare commitment from the last election that you rightly

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Speaker 5: point to was for the operational costs of the bed

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Speaker 5: so funded beds, but not the physical construction of a

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Speaker 5: new agecare facilities. Although you know we have put money

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Speaker 5: into the extra twenty six beds down at Pearl for dementia.

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Speaker 5: But when it comes to so they're the beds that

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Speaker 5: are funded. But when the previous antique government went out

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Speaker 5: to market and said all right, who wants to build

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Speaker 5: and operate an age care facility?

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Speaker 6: No one could make No one could make it work.

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Speaker 3: So how do they now, Well.

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Speaker 5: That's why we're stepping in, because we're putting sixty million

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Speaker 5: of capital into the build. So the not for profit

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Speaker 5: organization that runs the age care facility doesn't have to

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Speaker 5: stump that cash up, which means we can get something

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Speaker 5: done quickly like there should be literally straight after this

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Speaker 5: election we start design and build for a brand new

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Speaker 5: age care facility so that we.

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Speaker 1: Can look up provider. Yeah, but we need a provider.

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Speaker 1: They're definitely is providers.

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Speaker 5: They just couldn't make it work without the extra capital

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Speaker 5: from the federal government.

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Speaker 1: Keen to get your thoughts fill and le so not

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Speaker 1: only on this, but what will you guys do if

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Speaker 1: elected to make sure that there is.

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Speaker 4: Bet so Katie. We actually made announcement a few weeks

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Speaker 4: ago around this as well. One of the key things

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Speaker 4: that I've looked into since since I got nominated as

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Speaker 4: the candidacy or PEA candidate, was around age care. So

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Speaker 4: my parents are in their late seventies, they've retired here

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Speaker 4: in the territory and it is really concerning that there

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Speaker 4: is a lack of age care facilities here in the NT.

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Speaker 4: And interesting enough, we have one of the fastest growing

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Speaker 4: populations per capita over sixty five. It never used to

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Speaker 4: be that way and you know, we were known as

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Speaker 4: the young capital within Australia. We're now actually people I

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Speaker 4: think it's becoming more expensive for people to go down

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Speaker 4: south to retire, so they're staying in the territory or

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Speaker 4: they're moving to the territory. That's really something I've noticed.

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Speaker 4: But that was a commitment that was made, and I

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Speaker 4: really fought very hard with the Coalition to ensure that

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Speaker 4: we could secure sixty million dollars in funding. You know,

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Speaker 4: we not only want to match it. It's something that

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Speaker 4: we have a little bit of variety about where it's

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Speaker 4: going to be built. We're not saying any one place,

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Speaker 4: but however we could put that sixty million dollars to

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Speaker 4: ensure that those we've got agecare people in hospitals. Sixty

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Speaker 4: bears are currently taken up with age care patients and

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Speaker 4: they're it's not an appropriate place.

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Speaker 6: From the they should be somewhere else. Exactly.

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Speaker 1: A tough one for you, I guess as an independent,

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Speaker 1: because you can't come out and make these big announcements

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Speaker 1: like the two major parties can.

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Speaker 3: I mean, what do you think needs to be happening?

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Speaker 8: Well, I mean imagine if we actually had an independent

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Speaker 8: in Parliament at any stage in the last four decades

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Speaker 8: to actually advocate on behalf of territorians rather than have

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Speaker 8: to endure major party powerbrokers in Canberra, Melbourne and Sydney

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Speaker 8: calling the shots and pulling the strings, and all the

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Speaker 8: while neglecting them Northern Territory whose citizens have chronic levels

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Speaker 8: of health disease, who are impoverished to degrees in a

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Speaker 8: developed country that should not be the case, where we

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Speaker 8: have substandard education. Because of this level of neglect, these

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Speaker 8: guys don't give U stuff about the territory. What we

662
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Speaker 8: need is an advocate in camera who actually comes from

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Speaker 8: the community, but not only that, is actually engaging.

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Speaker 4: Someone who was born in the territory. Whole life here

665
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Speaker 4: had the community for the non LOCALI continue to find

666
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Speaker 4: parents retired to retire all a part of you want someone.

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Speaker 8: Who's making sure that the community's community.

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Speaker 4: Because I'm who's going.

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Speaker 1: To be I'm losing control. I left my microphone to

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Speaker 1: mad he didn't step in. Hang, I'm going to talk

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Speaker 1: for a moment.

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Speaker 3: Phil.

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Speaker 1: The difficulty is, I suppose and some out there listening

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Speaker 1: will go, you know that all sounds good in theory,

675
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Speaker 1: but it's really hard when you're an independent because unless

676
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Speaker 1: you hold the balance of power in some way like

677
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Speaker 1: we've seen here in the Northern Territory with the likes

678
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Speaker 1: of Jerry Water unless you're an incredibly effective independent and

679
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Speaker 1: we have had some incredible ones here in the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory Parliament.

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Speaker 3: But how do you get whoever.

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Speaker 1: Becomes our next Prime Minister to focus on the Northern

683
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Speaker 1: Territory if you're not even at the table with them

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Speaker 1: for that discussion.

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Speaker 8: Well, we are actually so we're anticipating a minority government

686
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Speaker 8: at this upcoming election. With that comes leverage and the

687
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 8: Poles have been saying into sixty chance of a minority

688
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 8: government this election, that's what they've been saying. So we

689
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Speaker 8: have enormous opportunity for leverage and negotiating power at a

690
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Speaker 8: national level, to have a community representative from the territory

691
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Speaker 8: advocating four things such as GST revenue, which once upon

692
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Speaker 8: a time was in our interest but now it's per

693
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Speaker 8: capita based. We need needs based funding. Here in the territory.

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Speaker 2: We get five to one.

695
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 7: We get five dollars for every dollar we put in

696
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 7: when it comes to GST. We get the best GST

697
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Speaker 7: deal by far any state or territory.

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Speaker 2: In the country.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and the outcome and the outcomes aren't shown aren't

700
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Speaker 8: showing us the results we need to be having. So

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Speaker 8: we need needs based funding for education for health that

702
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 8: we're not getting at the moment. We also need to

703
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 8: be investing more. Our country spends two hundred and fifty

704
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 8: billion dollars on healthcare every year. Three percent of that

705
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 8: goes into prevention prevention measures. We need to spend more

706
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Speaker 8: on prevention and actually stopping people from ending up in

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Speaker 8: hospital in the first place. That's what the medical community

708
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 8: is saying, and we just need somebody to actually listen

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Speaker 8: with them, but not only that, work with them to

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Speaker 8: be able to get better outcomes for us.

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Speaker 1: Look, we're actually going to have to head to a

712
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Speaker 1: break because I want to come back and talk about

713
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Speaker 1: the Darwin Port and Middle arm and I want to

714
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Speaker 1: give each of you a minute to describe or tell

715
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Speaker 1: people why they should vote for you. So let's take

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Speaker 1: a really quick break. You are, of course listening to

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Speaker 1: Mix one oh four point nine. It is the week

718
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Speaker 1: that was a special edition with some of the candidates

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Speaker 1: for Solomon and of course Matt Cunningham stealing my microphone. Well,

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Speaker 1: if you have just joined us, you've missed out. It's

721
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: been plenty of fun in here. It is indeed the

722
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Speaker 1: week that was, but with some of the Solomon candidates,

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Speaker 1: we've got Phil Scott, Luke Gosling and Lisa Bayless in

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Speaker 1: the studio with us this morning. Now, I do want

725
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Speaker 1: to talk about the Darwin Port. We know the Federal

726
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: Coalition and indeed Labor have both now said that the

727
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Speaker 1: port will return to Australian hands. The way in which

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Speaker 1: it all happen, I guess remains to be seen, and

729
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Speaker 1: both parties sort of going down a bit of a

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Speaker 1: different path when it comes to returning the port to

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Speaker 1: two Australian hands. I mean, I think it's safe to

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Speaker 1: say when this port was leased, it's one of those

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Speaker 1: topics you know that got our phone lines absolutely screaming

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Speaker 1: off the hook. You know, people didn't want it to

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Speaker 1: be leased, but we were in a situation where there

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Speaker 1: really was not an investment into the port. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Luke keen to find out from you, how exactly will

738
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Speaker 1: it come back into Australian hands if Labor is re

739
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Speaker 1: elected and if it's such an important issue, why hasn't.

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Speaker 3: It happened sooner?

741
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Speaker 1: Is something that I know listeners will be asking this morning.

742
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Speaker 5: Obviously your listeners understand that we've been in government for

743
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 5: three years as the Federal government and ten years ago

744
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 5: when the COLP flogged the portal for ninety nine years,

745
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Speaker 5: we were against it and critical of it, and I've

746
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Speaker 5: been consistently critical of it. But what we have seen

747
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Speaker 5: as a lack of investment out there and a worsening

748
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Speaker 5: of or the situation as it is strategically in the

749
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Speaker 5: Indo Pacific. And we've seen a bigger focus from the

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Speaker 5: federal government on defense in Northern Australia. So fourteen to

751
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 5: eighteen billion dollars coming out of the Defense Strategic Review

752
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Speaker 5: is going to be spent on infrastructure in Northern Australia.

753
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Speaker 5: That's important for our future defense, but so is industrial

754
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Speaker 5: development as well. So out at Eastaham we've got land

755
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 5: and we've got the ability we need to become more efficient.

756
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Speaker 5: There's some mining companies that can't get their critical minerals

757
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Speaker 5: to port because of the inefficiencies at the port, so

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Speaker 5: we need investment in the port. I've been working for

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Speaker 5: many months now with Australian companies super funds that are

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Speaker 5: interested in taking over the lease. I've been connecting them

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Speaker 5: with the Lanbridge Board because they've got an Australia.

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Speaker 1: It's more of a diplomatic way to go. Well, get

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Speaker 1: the port back, is what you're looking at.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, they're commercial negotiations that are occurring, so you're.

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Speaker 7: Connecting them with the Lanbridge board. Every public utterance I've

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Speaker 7: heard from Lambridge has been unequivocal that the port is

767
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Speaker 7: not for sale.

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Speaker 5: Well, obviously, as far as we know, there are really

769
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Speaker 5: positive discussions towards that end.

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Speaker 7: That's what your discussions with Lanbridge would contradict. What they

771
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Speaker 7: are saying publicly is that.

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Speaker 5: What Look, I've had discussions with people that suggest that,

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Speaker 5: you know what happens in a commercial deal. In a

774
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Speaker 5: commercial deal, you get to a price point where they go, geez,

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Speaker 5: that's a good deal.

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Speaker 2: That's a really good for taxpayers. If you have to

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Speaker 2: do that is.

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Speaker 5: Well, that's where we differ from Peter Dutton. What Peter

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Speaker 5: Dutt's saying, if a commercial deal can't be reached in

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Speaker 5: six months, then the taxpayer is going to fork out.

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Speaker 6: We've got more respect for a taxpayer.

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Speaker 7: Well no, he's saying it will be compulsorily acquired and

783
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Speaker 7: presumably if it went to court, that'd be done on

784
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Speaker 7: just terms which is what happens in these.

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Speaker 6: You don't reckon. The taxpayers are going to be on

786
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Speaker 6: the hook for that.

787
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Speaker 7: Absolutely, they'll be on the hook for that, but they'll

788
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Speaker 7: be on the hook on just terms as opposed to

789
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Speaker 7: what you're talking about, which is a a commercial A

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Speaker 7: commercial deal which could be anything where Lambridge holds all

791
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Speaker 7: the cards.

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Speaker 5: Well, a commercial deal obviously means that the current holders

793
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Speaker 5: of the lease Lambridge will consider offers that are put

794
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Speaker 5: to them. But I think what we need and I

795
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Speaker 5: think you understand this Matt's investment at the port and

796
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Speaker 5: the neist Arms generally that is not happening that will

797
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Speaker 5: happen under an albin Esi Gun.

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Speaker 7: I agree with that. I agree that that investment is needed.

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Speaker 7: But I guess the question is what if that commercial

800
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Speaker 7: deal can't be reached.

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Speaker 5: Obviously, that's when we have to assist we're not going

802
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Speaker 5: to put a time limit on it, because that's idiotic.

803
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Speaker 5: When you're in a negotiation, you don't put a time

804
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Speaker 5: limit on it because all that says is to the

805
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Speaker 5: proponent will hold out and you'll get more money. We

806
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Speaker 5: are going to land at a place where there is

807
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Speaker 5: a good return on investment for Landbridge, but the port

808
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Speaker 5: will come back into Australian hands, so Elbow and I

809
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Speaker 5: will do that. Have been working towards it for some time.

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Speaker 4: Well, look, the Coalition have committed and saying our national

811
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Speaker 4: security is that important that we are going to do

812
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Speaker 4: a six month limit on that. So if we don't

813
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Speaker 4: able to get a successful commercial interest that's prepared to

814
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Speaker 4: spend the money, then will we will acquire it? And

815
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Speaker 4: I think that's probably the difference between us and Labor.

816
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Speaker 4: We make it a commitment to ensure that that comes

817
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Speaker 4: back to Australian hands for a national security do you.

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Speaker 7: I mean Peter Dutton came here and made that announcement,

819
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Speaker 7: but do you understand the people's I'm not sure what

820
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Speaker 7: the right word is, but the fact that they were

821
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Speaker 7: a little bit bemused by that fact given the port

822
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Speaker 7: lease was done by a CLP government while a coalition

823
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Speaker 7: government was empowerful.

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Speaker 6: Well Peter Dunton was in the cabin Yeah.

825
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Speaker 4: Look, and I think that's one of those things we

826
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Speaker 4: can't look back, we can only look forward, and that's

827
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Speaker 4: ten years. It was a very different CLP government to

828
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Speaker 4: what we have now in power and we all want

829
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Speaker 4: to see the port come back to Australia.

830
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Speaker 7: The Chief Minister, the current Chief Minister was part of

831
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Speaker 7: that government.

832
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Speaker 4: Though, yes, yes she was, but not part of the

833
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Speaker 4: decision making around that obviously.

834
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Speaker 1: I mean, Phil, what do you think does the port

835
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Speaker 1: need to come back into Australian hands? And what do

836
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Speaker 1: you think do you think that we need to do

837
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Speaker 1: whatever is required to get it back?

838
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Speaker 8: Well, I haven't heard any compelling argument for how this

839
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 8: is going to benefit tax payers yet, I'm really interested

840
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 8: to know what that benefit is. Because we sold it

841
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 8: for five hundred and six million bucks, we're now going

842
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 8: to have to endure the sold at least sold the

843
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 8: lease for five hundred and six million bucks. We now

844
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 8: have to go going to have to endure a legal

845
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 8: process to extricate ourselves from a ninety nine year lease agreement.

846
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Speaker 8: Estimates are that that's one point three billion dollars. I'm curious,

847
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 8: what is the benefit to the taxpayer?

848
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 7: Well, I guess, I guess the question is who is

849
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 7: going to pay that figure, whether it's one point three

850
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 7: billion dollars or hopefully that's an ambid claim, but the

851
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 7: federal is the proposal that the federal government stumps up

852
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 7: that money or does the Northern Territory government have to

853
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 7: stump up that money.

854
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Speaker 5: As a Prime minister has been clear, we're are looking

855
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 5: for a commercial deal. See Lambridge and the COLP people

856
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 5: who made this deal and then went off. I'm talking

857
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 5: about you know Coalition people, Peter Dutton's mates in the

858
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 5: Federal cabinet. They went on and worked for Lambridge afterwards

859
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 5: on about eight hundred and fifty grand a year. There's

860
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 5: still people that are benefiting financially from the deal and

861
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 5: don't want to see it change's.

862
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 6: That's their parole.

863
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Speaker 1: I will say that I think both sides of politics,

864
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Speaker 1: not necessarily not on the port, but I mean when

865
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Speaker 1: you look at jobs that people go into after they

866
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: leave politics, I know that there's certainly there could be

867
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: samples on either side of the fence with major parties

868
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: where people have gone into jobs after being ministers. I

869
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: want to well, look, yeah, it may well be, but

870
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: we're fast running out of time and I want to

871
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: talk about Middle Arm now. At a candidate's forum in

872
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 1: Alice Springs last month, we know the lingi Amp Marion

873
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: Scrimdaw spoke about the planned Middle Arm industrial hubs, saying

874
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: the federal government's one point five billion dollar equity share

875
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: loan to the project was presenting a hurdle. One of

876
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: the biggest turtles in Middle Arms, she said, is the

877
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: whole project is equity based. The Northern Territory government is

878
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: signaling to the federal government that they don't want to

879
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: put their equity to it. They just want the federal

880
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Speaker 1: government to continue to fund this on their own. The

881
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: federal government has said no, if you want this to happen,

882
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Speaker 1: it has to be with the agreements that were signed

883
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: with the former government. Now, she said that the Northern

884
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 1: Territory was not anywhere near getting the sign off on

885
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Speaker 1: the project.

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Speaker 6: That's just Katie just quickly.

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00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 5: That is because it is not stacking up commercially and

888
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 5: it is not stacking up environmentally because it just doesn't

889
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 5: stack up currently. They've got a lot more work to do.

890
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 2: But so you're not committed to Middle Arm anymore.

891
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 5: Well, no, Middle Arm is important. I'll tell you why

892
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 5: it's important. If we're going to reach net zero, and

893
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 5: that's where we want to move to, we need renewable

894
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 5: energy from territory sunshine going into that precinct and critical minerals,

895
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 5: which we know there's a many proponents that are looking

896
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Speaker 5: at it to process their critical minerals, but also making batteries.

897
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Speaker 5: If we're going to have a renewable energy future, we

898
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Speaker 5: need the batteries. We need to produce batteries. Green hydrogen

899
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Speaker 5: is another one.

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00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 7: Green hydrogen has not been successful anywhere it's been tried

901
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 7: in this country at this point. In fact, we've seen

902
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Speaker 7: many of the major players pull out of it.

903
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 5: Well, Twiggy Forrest was talking about doing it here out

904
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 5: at Middle Arm and then he pulled out.

905
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Speaker 6: But he pulled out of a lot of places.

906
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 5: Right, Green hydrogen is going to have a role, but

907
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 5: it's the critical mineral stuff that's so important. But powered

908
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 5: by sun cable, two thirds of sun Cable's power that's

909
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 5: the world's biggest precinct of solar is going to go

910
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 5: into that precinct of fire green industry. The other one

911
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 5: third will go to buy undersea cable to Singapore, which

912
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 5: helps them, but.

913
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Speaker 7: Again another technology that's never worked at that scale before.

914
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 2: I mean, that's my question.

915
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 7: It's a big cause, all just pie in the sky

916
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 7: stuff that's never going to happen because it certainly and

917
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 7: Marian Scrimmages casts a lot of doubt over Middle Arm.

918
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 7: And we have these big arguments about middle Arm about

919
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 7: whether it's going to pollute us to death or whether

920
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 7: it's going to be a great renewable savior. But my

921
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 7: biggest question about middle Arm is whether it's actually feasibly

922
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 7: ever going to happen at all.

923
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 5: Well, yes it will, Yes it will. And before Phil

924
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Speaker 5: starts protesting, and because let's face it, people who have

925
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 5: been here for a while understand, Look, I think it's

926
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 5: great that people like Phil can come here and protest

927
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 5: about Lee point and protest about middle Arm after a

928
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 5: very short period, and then talk over Lisa, who's born

929
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Speaker 5: and bred. Let's spend her whole life here. What we

930
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 5: need here is industrial development, but we need industrial development

931
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Speaker 5: that is powered by solar because we've got heaps of land.

932
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Speaker 1: We're fast running out of time, so I'm going to

933
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Speaker 1: just get the get fills.

934
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Speaker 3: Take.

935
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Speaker 1: I mean, Phil Luke kicking the boot in a little

936
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Speaker 1: bit there about your former protesting, I mean, obviously you

937
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Speaker 1: are opposed to the Middle Arm development.

938
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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, absolutely, let's go for starters on economic grounds.

939
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Speaker 8: Institute for Energy Economics and Financial Analysis point out that

940
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Speaker 8: the plan is fundamentally flawed and the business model is

941
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Speaker 8: not viable. These aren't greenies, these are hawks. In oil

942
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Speaker 8: and petrochemical industry analysis, the robust market for al G

943
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 8: exports is anticipate. Anticipating the plan is unlikely to materialize.

944
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Speaker 8: The off taker industries anticipated to become partners are unlikely

945
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Speaker 8: to locate in the Northern Territory, relying on a sea. Yes,

946
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 8: as you pointed out, Matt, is unrealistic. I mean point

947
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 8: twelve key risks, any of which on their own make

948
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Speaker 8: make the proposal outrageously unbeeneficial for taxpayers. We're not going

949
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Speaker 8: to get anything out of this. And our community remembers

950
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Speaker 8: the prosperity that was promised from the last big gas

951
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Speaker 8: plant across the harbor. We were told that that was

952
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Speaker 8: going to kickstart the Northern Territory economy. X impacts.

953
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, you feel as though impacts should never have happened.

954
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Speaker 8: Well, I mean, look at the outcome. We were promised prosperity.

955
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 8: That thing was supposed to be a boon ten years on.

956
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Speaker 6: Their house.

957
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Speaker 3: I mean, I will just.

958
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Speaker 1: Ask because I know a lot of people listening, Yeah,

959
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 1: good point. A lot of people listening will be keen

960
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Speaker 1: to know, Phil, I mean, are you are you totally

961
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Speaker 1: against the development of gas.

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Speaker 8: We need to transition away from gas. It's expensive anyway,

963
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Speaker 8: so why would we why? I mean, if this is

964
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Speaker 8: one we talk about cost of living, we have amongst.

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Speaker 3: Them to should it go ahead?

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00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 8: No? Not in not in a million years. That thing,

967
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 8: That thing is so unbeneficial to the taxpayer that it's outrageous.

968
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 3: Right Lisa, In terms of middle ARM, do you support?

969
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely support Middle ARM, And I see it's an

970
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Speaker 4: opportunity for territory to ensure that that we can have

971
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 4: this development not only just for this generation, but for

972
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Speaker 4: generations to come. In relation to be tolou Basin, there's

973
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 4: more gas that's in Belu than there's oil and Dubai.

974
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,919
Speaker 4: So understanding what that means not just for the Northern

975
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 4: Territory but for all of Australia. That's natural gas we're

976
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 4: talking about. It's something that we've got a shortage. You know,

977
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 4: Australia that's abundant in their resources. We have a shortage

978
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Speaker 4: of gas in this country and the Northern Territory is

979
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Speaker 4: poised where we could actually deliver that gas, that much

980
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Speaker 4: needed natural gas safely and under regulation to not just

981
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 4: the Northern Territory but with all of Australia. We are

982
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Speaker 4: running out of that.

983
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 8: That is a that is as you take money, you're

984
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:02,760
Speaker 8: a mouthpiece that's reliable.

985
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,240
Speaker 1: But Peel, we can't find out exactly where you're getting

986
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: your funding from either those so you'll have an argument

987
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: actually but you.

988
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Speaker 4: And it's very hard to take what you're saying seriously

989
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 4: because anything to do with I will see natural guess.

990
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Speaker 8: I don't take money from corporate.

991
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Speaker 1: I know our.

992
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Speaker 3: Listeners will be interested in this.

993
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,439
Speaker 1: I did go online and I tried to find all

994
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Speaker 1: of the people that are donating and it is literally

995
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: just a page of names upon names, so it doesn't

996
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Speaker 1: actually give you you know, it doesn't actually tell you

997
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: whether they are part of any business or anything like that.

998
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: It's individual's names. It doesn't give you a breakdown of

999
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: who's donating to the Northern Territory, doesn't give you a

1000
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Speaker 1: breakdown of who's donating to your campaign. So I did

1001
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Speaker 1: try and go and have a look at that just

1002
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Speaker 1: for the sake of transparency from my side of things,

1003
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Speaker 1: and I wasn't able to get that level of detail

1004
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Speaker 1: that I was hoping for.

1005
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Speaker 3: But look, we are going.

1006
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Speaker 1: To have to take a quick break because it's already

1007
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Speaker 1: ten o'clock and I still need to give you all

1008
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: the opportunity to tell people why they should vote for you.

1009
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Speaker 3: So let's take a really quick break.

1010
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three

1011
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: sixty if you have just joined us, it's been an

1012
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 1: eventful hour, the text lines going berserk. I've got heaps

1013
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: of messages to get through. But look, we have indeed

1014
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: gotten the studio with us this morning. Three of the

1015
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: Solomon candidates, Phil Scott who's running as an independent, Lisa

1016
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Speaker 1: Bayless who's running for the COLP, and Luke Gosling, the

1017
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:24,720
Speaker 1: incumbent for the Labor Party.

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00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 3: Now you have each got a minute.

1019
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: This is the one part where you're not allowed to

1020
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: talk over the top of each other, but you've each

1021
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: got a minute to explain to our listeners why they

1022
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 1: should vote for you. Luke, I might let you go first.

1023
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: Are you ready?

1024
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Speaker 3: Let's hear it?

1025
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 6: Well, thanks Katie for the opportunity, and well done, Matte.

1026
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 5: Look, I've been really proud over the last three years

1027
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 5: of our first term of federal government to be working

1028
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 5: with the Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi. I'm really proud that

1029
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 5: he's been to the Territory more times than Abbot, Turnbull

1030
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 5: and Morrison combined, and that we're really seriously developing in

1031
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 5: the social and development of the Northern Territory. Now, up

1032
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 5: on my Facebook page, I'll have two maps, one of

1033
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 5: Solomon with all the things I've either delivered or that

1034
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,280
Speaker 5: we've committed to delivering and are on the way to delivering.

1035
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 5: And a broader map of the Northern Territory with all

1036
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 5: the roads investments that we're making as well. Because we

1037
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 5: need the ability for industry to get their product to market,

1038
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 5: we need to build the Northern Territory's economy and I

1039
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 5: am one hundred percent the same with making our community

1040
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 5: safer committed to working with the NT government to achieve that.

1041
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 5: But let's just talk about the economy quickly. We've brought

1042
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 5: down two budget surpluses, We've brought down inflation and that

1043
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 5: means that people with a mortgage is soon going to

1044
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 5: get that relief and that's really important for Territorians.

1045
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: And that is the Minute's Luke Gosling, well done. Now

1046
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: let me just restart my stopwatch and go to Lisa

1047
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: Bayless from the COLP.

1048
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,280
Speaker 4: Sorry, it's going to put my stopwatch on too thank you, Katie.

1049
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 4: Look a little bit about me. Those that don't know.

1050
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 4: I'm born and bred here, live me here, my whole life.

1051
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 4: My mum and dad Daryl morey Man's retired here, have

1052
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 4: lived here their whole life, in the typical since the sixties,

1053
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 4: pretty much most of their working life in the territory.

1054
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,439
Speaker 4: I'm committed to the Northern Territory. I've done thirty years

1055
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,919
Speaker 4: as a Northern Territory Police officer. I've lived and work

1056
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 4: in many different areas. I have a very good understanding

1057
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 4: of the root causes of crime and the issues that

1058
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 4: the territory faces. I know that you need a strong

1059
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 4: voice in Canberra. We've had, you know, Gosling's been there

1060
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 4: for nine years. And I look around and look at

1061
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 4: the territory and think, you know, what's that what is

1062
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 4: actually achieved for us? Because it is not what it's

1063
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 4: not what it should be. And in order to be

1064
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 4: able to fight and have a strong voice, you need

1065
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 4: someone who's committed to the territory and is prepared to

1066
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,399
Speaker 4: fight tooth and now. And I'm going to work hand

1067
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 4: in hand with the Leafanochi anti government to ensure that

1068
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 4: we get not just our fair share that we should

1069
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 4: be around the country. We talked I think you know

1070
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,439
Speaker 4: earlier you spoke about per capita. This is something that

1071
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 4: the territory needs to have, you know, a greater a

1072
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 4: greater spotlight put on them. And I'm going to fight

1073
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 4: for that.

1074
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Speaker 1: All right, one minute is up, and our final candidate

1075
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,280
Speaker 1: for this this morning, Independent Phil Scott.

1076
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 8: So, when developing public policy, I actually have the courage

1077
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 8: and the willingness to actually consult with experts from our community,

1078
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,439
Speaker 8: and I don't have a bunch of party bosses three

1079
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 8: thousand kilometers away who have little to no interest in

1080
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 8: the territory pulling strings and calling the shots. That's why

1081
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 8: we're in the state of neglect in our healthcare system

1082
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 8: and education and social outcomes, and a stagnating economy that

1083
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 8: is decades in the making. And I can say that

1084
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 8: with a lot of confidence because look where we are today.

1085
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 8: All we're talking about is neglect. So I'm saying, plan, plan, plan,

1086
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 8: use data and implement what works, not what's suitable for

1087
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 8: a major party every three years in their political interest.

1088
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 8: Bring in the knowledge and expertise of community who not

1089
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 8: only understand our problems deeply, but also deeply understand what

1090
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 8: the solutions are.

1091
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: Well, Phil, thank you so much for your time this morning,

1092
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: and you came in about five under mate. Thank you

1093
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: Phil Scott, who is running as an independent, Thank you

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Speaker 1: for joining us this morning. Lisa Bayless for the COLP,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time this morning. And

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Speaker 1: Luke Gosling for the Labor Party. Thank you for your

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Speaker 1: time this morning. I couldn't let Matt go though without

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Speaker 1: saying thank you.

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Speaker 4: To Matt.

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Speaker 3: I didn't give you a minute mate to say, need.

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Speaker 2: More than a minute for that.

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Speaker 3: Thank you all so much for your time.

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Speaker 1: I know it's an interesting format for the week that was,

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Speaker 1: but it's been a lot of fun.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.