1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: On today's show, Sophie Cacia's ex Alana Kennedy forced it 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: and I reconciliation rumors, Abby Chatfield Sparks debate about weight loss, 3 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: and the cast of The Crown labeled Too Hot. Hello, 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the hottest 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I Aye Torbert, 6 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,319 Speaker 1: and I'm feeling particularly Christmasy today because we have done 7 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 1: a huge Christmas shop today. I had so much fun. 8 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: We checked out the Reject Shop and Kmart. They've got 9 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: so many cool little Christmas things. Because we're going to 10 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: be doing some Christmas recipes and some Christmas related reels, 11 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,279 Speaker 1: I'm very excited. I know it's kind of just an 12 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: excuse to make all these Christmas recipes and be like, oh, 13 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: it's just for the podcast TikTok exactly. Well, I'm Kate 14 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: Torbert and I had to stop Sophie from eating the 15 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: spearmint leaves. Well, I was completely left out of this 16 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: shopping expedition. I called you guys up, Oh when are 17 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: we going? Oh we're already there. Look, we didn't want 18 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: to left out because it was getting to five o'clock 19 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: and we're like, look, we better do the dash before 20 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: the shops closed, because in Adelaide everything closes at five o'clock. 21 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: To be fair, sometimes those things they're more hellish to be, Like, 22 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: I prefer just to have all the stuff brought. We 23 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: were in do it. Yeah, when we were at the 24 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: self service checkout in Woolworst and we were doing like 25 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: three different transactions, I was kind of wishing I was 26 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: at home. 27 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 2: And this is not you know, this is not at 28 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 2: all an opportunity to point fingers or to you know, 29 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 2: throw someone under a bus. But I think it's an 30 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 2: important story to tell because I feel like so many 31 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 2: people have been there and I had never been there, 32 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 2: in a relationship where you completely lose sight of who 33 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 2: you are. 34 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: A reunion between Sophie Keisha and her soccer player ex 35 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: Alana Kennedy appears to be off. A rep for The 36 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: Matilda's player has denied they are back on just weeks 37 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: after Sophie split from fiance Maddie Garrick. Firstly, soph can 38 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: you give us a little refresher on Sophie's relationship timeline. Yeah, So, 39 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: Sophie and Lana began dating back in twenty twenty and 40 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: the relationship was very turbulent, and she did document a 41 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: lot about the relationship in her book that she put 42 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: out this year called Then There Was Her. So, in 43 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: an interview about the book on No Filter, Sophie labeled 44 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: their relationship as toxic due to the power dynamic that 45 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: she said was there. So Sophie said that she would 46 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: cower under Alana's strength like a puppy dog and do 47 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: whatever she wanted. Well, so she was with Alana in 48 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: twenty twenty. That doesn't seem that long ago. To then 49 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: meet Maddie, get into a relationship, and then get gay. Well, 50 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: you've got to remember that that relationship was very on 51 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: and off. So Sophie was with Maddie in between when 52 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: like Alana would drop her, she would go running to Maddie. 53 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 1: And if you do cast your mind back to Sophie's book, 54 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: there is a chapter detailing how Sophie had just had 55 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: sex with Maddie and she got a text message from 56 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: Alana saying, oh, I want you back or basically come here, 57 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: and she literally dumped Maddie on the spot and ran 58 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: out of bed. I can kind of see why this 59 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: relationship ended. It doesn't seem like such a shock now, sokay, 60 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: can you tell us about these alleged reports about a 61 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: meet up between Sophie and Alana? Yes, so it's all 62 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: very juicy. So Dramatic Podcast reported that a source had 63 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: spotted Sophie in the family section of a Matilda's soccer 64 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: game at Amy Park on Sunday, and the source claims 65 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: that Alana then went up to speak to Sophie and 66 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: the pair apparently looked like they were making plans to 67 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 1: catch up. Is Sophie the biggest jersey chaser or what? 68 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: Because literally, we've got a soccer player, a basketballer, her 69 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: ex husband played footy as well. Look, she's got a type. Yeah. 70 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: So the funny thing is that Alana's PR agency has 71 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: had to come out and deny these rumors. But funnily enough, 72 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: Sophie is represented by the same PR agency. So do 73 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: you guys think that someone actually spotted Sophie Keisher at 74 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: the game or do you think maybe this is something 75 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: that Sophie is trying to get the rumor mill and 76 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: overdrive about. Well, the confusing thing is that this PR 77 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: agency represents both of them, so the agency has both 78 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: of their reputations in mind when they're squashing stories like this, 79 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: So it would be an awkward thing if Sophie, say, 80 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: had leaked this story because the PR agency is obviously 81 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: having to go against her wishes to protect their client. 82 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of done its job anyway in 83 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: terms of potentially making that jealous even because it is 84 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: a rumor. Still people don't know because yeah, lots a 85 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: bit of a fuck you, isn't it, because it seems 86 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: like Alana was a huge issue in their relationship. And 87 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: also PR firms deny stuff all the time. It doesn't 88 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: necessarily but even them, but even them commenting on it 89 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: makes it even a bigger thing because they could have 90 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: just let it die and not said anything about it. 91 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 1: But it almost gives it more validity that they commented on. Yeah, now, 92 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: what's all a little bit suss is. The original source 93 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 1: claimed that Alana came up to Sophie and they were 94 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: trying to make plans. However, the PR rep has come 95 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: out and said, oh no, no, Alana walked up to 96 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: us and was trying to make plans with us, which 97 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: almost makes me think, well, was Sophie with the PR 98 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: people and they're just claiming, oh no, no, they're not 99 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: back on together. They were spotted, Like, it's not like 100 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 1: they've denied that she was at the game. So what 101 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 1: we're thinking here is that Sophie has been invited along 102 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: to the game through the PR company. They're probably trying 103 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 1: to play matchmaker, trying to spin because it puts so 104 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: opicacious name out there. As far as Kennedy, our agency 105 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: would want them back together because her book would have 106 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: created a lot of negative pr for Alana Kennedy also 107 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: so dramatic, is pretty accurate with its tip offs. I 108 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: feel like a lot of people would have seen the 109 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: pair of them together well in the family section as well. 110 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, love her commines, love everything of our and her 111 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 3: stories are so funny because they're her stories. If they 112 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 3: were your stories, it wouldn't be funny at all. 113 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: Saffron Barker's mum has shared what it's really like having 114 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: to listen to her YouTube famous daughter talk about sex 115 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: on her new podcast Amy Can You tell Us More? Yeah, So, 116 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: her mum, Wendy, joined Saffron in her latest YouTube video 117 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: and they were actually testing out Starbucks Christmas menu, which 118 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: was actually a banger of a YouTube video. We want 119 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: to go test out the Gloria jeans Christmas. Yes, I 120 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: think we need to do that because we don't have 121 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: Starbucks in Adelaide, and Gloria Jean's is top notch. So well, 122 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: Wendy and Saffron didn't have that nicer things to say 123 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: about the Starbucks man. I mean, I haven't been hearing 124 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: some positive stuff because I feel like every YouTuber is 125 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: doing a review of the same couple of items. I 126 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: love it. I love it. So in this video, they 127 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: spoke about Saffron's new podcast, which is called Sex Lies 128 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: and DM Slides, and she does this podcast alongside Anastasia 129 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: King's North. We've of course spoken about the podcast because 130 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: it is touted as a Spotify original except two girls 131 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 1: actually allegedly came up with the idea and they've been 132 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: given the boot from the show. And the podcast title 133 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: does give away what the show is about. It's about 134 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: reading their dms. They talk about sex stories and basically 135 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: this was a bit of a surprise to Wendy when 136 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: she tuned into Saffron's podcast. She said she wasn't expecting 137 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: them to talk that much about sex. Well, she was 138 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: in the title. Yeah, Well, she used to do a 139 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: quite innocent podcast with her daughter she might be pissed 140 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: off that she got the boot as well. I actually 141 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: loved Wendy in that podcast. I rate her. I would 142 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: actually watch her YouTube channel if she made her own, 143 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 1: a bit like how Anastasia King's north'smum has made her 144 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 1: own YouTube channel, Wendy needs to get on it. Well, 145 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: maybe Wendy and Julie should come out and do their 146 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 1: own podcast. That would be pretty I feel like I 147 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: have quite good advice because Wendy was trying to tell 148 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: Saffron that she's got to stop going for like super 149 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: attractive guys and actually think about their personality, which I 150 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: found quite hilarious. But I don't know if that's super 151 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: good advice, that's general advice, but it was because I 152 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: feel like Saffron, the guy that she's rumored to have 153 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: dated most recently, he's like this American guy who's totally ripped. 154 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: He's a complete he's a boy. Yeah, he's he looks 155 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: too good to be real. And she went out with 156 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: Luca bish before, who seems like he's got a really 157 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: good personality. But Wendy's saying, she's like, I didn't even 158 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: fancy your father before I started dating. She's like a 159 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: just personality and then he became more attractive. But I 160 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: think that is actually good advice, though, to actually think 161 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: about people's personalities, because I think when you're at twenty one, 162 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,679 Speaker 1: all you do is think about looks, yeah and page. 163 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: You know. Well, back on to the awkwardness around this podcast. 164 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: It gets worse because it's not only Wendy the mother 165 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: that listens, but Saffron's grandmother also listens to the podcast. However, 166 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: she is enjoying it a little bit more than when 167 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: I think. I think we's your throat to what was 168 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: said if. 169 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 4: You got to tell everyone about nanny though, no, no, no, seriously, 170 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 4: like you're actually not going to leave this and shout 171 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 4: to my so freaking. 172 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 3: Eighty like I don't swear in front of my mum 173 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 3: and I never have, like I just wouldn't, Like it's 174 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 3: just how we were brought. 175 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 4: She's so innocent, by the way. I mean, you've all 176 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 4: met her. She's literally like, well I met her like 177 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 4: three video. 178 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: She's the sweetest human being, isn't she anyway? 179 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 3: And I just thought she's probably more naies than she 180 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 3: is because she isn't because she said to at all. Oh, 181 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 3: I've listened to sage. I've watched it about five times. 182 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 3: I didn't even know you could watch it. She told 183 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 3: me this and I was like. 184 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: Oh, what did you watch? 185 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 3: It went on Spotify you can watch it. I was like, okay, 186 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 3: and then she went, oh, it's Wendy. 187 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 1: That's what she went. 188 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 3: What about that girl that wrote in and she got 189 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:45,839 Speaker 3: her braces stuck. 190 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: On his you know, when she was giving him a 191 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: flow job, And I literally went, what. 192 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 3: Sorry, And it's the fact that she what's his name? 193 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,599 Speaker 3: And then went up after. 194 00:08:58,640 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 2: Ma'am. 195 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 4: When my mom first told me this, I was cracking 196 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 4: up because my Nan messaged me on Instagram and was like, 197 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 4: oh my god, stuff, it's hilarious a boys shit four 198 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 4: times and I thought to myself, I think she's thinking 199 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 4: about a YouTube video, like she's got something called Holy. 200 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 3: I thought she's going to say I listened Steph's podcast 201 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 3: and I'm not being funny back. 202 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: But she finds it hilarious. 203 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 4: But do you know what, though, The thing is you 204 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,719 Speaker 4: do forget Like Nan was our age one, so I. 205 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 3: Was also your age ones, but I wouldn't. 206 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: I don't know, but when you're eighty, you're still going 207 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: to find the same things. Funny. That funny. I've always 208 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: been interested to hear what it's like for the parents 209 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: and grandparents to listen to their kids sex podcast, and 210 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,199 Speaker 1: I was not expecting this response from her grandma. See, 211 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: I get embarrassed enough anyone just listening to ours, but 212 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: we're not sharing intimate details about our sex lives on there. 213 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: It would be actually really bizarre for the grandma though, 214 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: because she's probably hearing nothing about what's actually going on 215 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: behind these scenes. You know, the grandparents are usually just 216 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: meet the guy at a nice dinner, but she's hearing 217 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 1: all the ins and out of these dirty asa is 218 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: going back and forth. The message they were talking about 219 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: was a listener that wrote in and said that they 220 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: got their braces stuck or so they cut someone's penis 221 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: and braces. However, Saffron within that episode was reading out 222 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: these sext messages that she had received from followers, from 223 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 1: people dming her, So that would have been pretty full. 224 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: I mean I felt full on listen to it, and 225 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: I only watched her on YouTube. I loved how they 226 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 1: had a guest recently and she was talking about all 227 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: these funny sex stories, and Saffron's mom was like, I 228 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:31,719 Speaker 1: found it funny, But if they were your stories, I 229 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: would not have found them funny. Oh no, you don't 230 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: want to hear about anyone's sex life that you actually know. 231 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: I often think what Alex Cooper's parents must think about 232 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: her podcast, but it seems like they're very supportive. I mean, 233 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: perhaps if you'd signed a thirty million dollar deal with Spotify, 234 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: they might get around it. The thing is, at the 235 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: end of the day, I actually think the parents should 236 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: not listen because the child's out. They're trying to create content, 237 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 1: trying to do something, trying to you know, be a 238 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 1: bit out there. Don't fucking listen. The podcast is their 239 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: very niche like, you know, Alex Cooper's getting thirty million dollars, 240 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: but I don't think the average Joe on the street 241 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: would know who she is. So I think that you 242 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:08,959 Speaker 1: can just turn off and you don't have to listen 243 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: to it. If my child was doing I would just 244 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: prefer not to listen. And I think that's how they 245 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: would like it as well. 246 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 2: How like fat phobic and weird to be like you 247 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 2: look great, but like are you mentally okay? 248 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: Now, before we get into this segment, we want to 249 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:26,439 Speaker 1: issue a trigger warning as it discusses eating disorders. Influencer 250 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 1: Abbi Chatfield and Olivia Rodgers have opened up about how 251 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: persistent comments about their recent weight loss are affecting them. 252 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 1: So if Abby first brought up the comments on her 253 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: podcast Yeah So. On her podcast It's a Lot, Abby 254 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,559 Speaker 1: revealed that she's been receiving an influx of comments about 255 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: her recent weight loss. And Abby has been touring with 256 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: Friday Live around the country where she's been hosting and 257 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: dancing on stage, and there's been so many photos and 258 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: a lot of Instagram stories where she's looking very fit, 259 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: and this has led to a lot of comments from 260 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: people saying what is your secret? What do you doing? 261 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: And saying basically, oh, you look incredible. And while Abby 262 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: said that the majority of comments about her appearance have 263 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: been well intentioned, she wants to remind people how damaging 264 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: those comments can still be. So Abby said, I'm not 265 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: quote unquote doing a Kardashian and intentionally losing weight because 266 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 1: of a trend. And this is of course in reference 267 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: to the fact that Kim and Chloe Kardashian have been 268 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: receiving a lot of publicity around their shrinking frames at 269 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 1: the moment. Yeah, because Abby was getting an influx of 270 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: people saying, oh, please, don't do a Kardashian, don't get 271 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: any skin skinnier than you are already. The thing is, 272 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: I can kind of understand where all this concern is 273 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: coming from because recently the media has gone into a 274 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,319 Speaker 1: bit of a frenzy, particularly around the Kardashian's bodies, and 275 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 1: there's a lot of talk about size zero coming back 276 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: due to the Y two K fashion and everyone's losing weight. 277 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 1: And I can see when you see people like Abby 278 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: and Olivia who are very influential online, that people are like, 279 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: oh shit, are they frame shrinking because of this trend 280 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: or is it something else? And I think that's why 281 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: it was really important for Abby to talk about these 282 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: persistent comments she's receiving on Instagram. And she went on 283 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: to explain that over the past five years, she has 284 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: never intentionally gained or lost weight, and she also called 285 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: some of her followers fat phobic for saying that she 286 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: looks better because she's lost weight. The difficult thing is that, 287 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I've noticed that she has lost weight, but 288 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: I would never go on her page and say something. 289 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: And I think that's really what Olivia has been talking 290 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: about it's like you don't need to mention it, particularly 291 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: mentioning it with I mean, some people would think, oh, 292 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: but I'm being nice by saying that she looks really good, 293 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: and it's like, well, what Abby's come out and said 294 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: is actually, when I'm this skinny, I'm not. 295 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 4: Well. 296 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: There's an ideology that if you look skinny and toned, 297 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: you'll fit, but sometimes that actually isn't the case. And 298 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: when people are at their most happy, it's it's usually 299 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: when they're not thinking about their weight and they're just 300 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: eating whatever they want. It's so true. Think about when 301 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: you've been broken up with and you're not eating because 302 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: you just couldn't stomach anything. I lost so much weight 303 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: when I went through a breakup, like it just was instant, 304 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: Like it just was crazy how much it just falls 305 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: off you. And I bet people were like, oh my god, 306 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: you look so good and you're actually just so upset. Aside, well, 307 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: Abby did open up and say that she's been having 308 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 1: a really tough time eating. So she said that she 309 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: has such a hectic schedule at the moment that she 310 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: is fighting it hard to actually fit in time to eat, 311 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: and then when she does have time to eat, she's 312 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: finding it really hard to chew food and also swallow, 313 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: and she did attribute the weight loss also to stress. 314 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: So there's obviously a lot going on and it's a 315 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: very sensitive topic for Abby. I think what makes this 316 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: conversation even tougher is the fact that Abbi Chatfield revealed 317 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: that she did suffer with disordered eating as a teenager, 318 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: so I can see how these comments would be pretty 319 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: triggering for her, and the same for Olivia Rodgers, who's 320 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: come out and echoed Abby's words. She is a mental 321 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: health advocate. She has detailed in her book about how 322 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: she suffered from eating disorders, and she has come out 323 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: and said, I've had a lot of comments about my 324 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: weight recently while I have been through two of the 325 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: most stressful months of my life. People say, but at 326 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: least you look good, like that's the most important thing. 327 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: This is such a sensitive topic and not one I 328 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: feel like I'm completely ready to have an open discussion 329 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: about just yet. I just want to say, please be 330 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: careful with your comments on people's bodies, as you never 331 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: know the impact your words can have. Even if your 332 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: intention is to be kind. The best way to comment 333 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: on someone's weight is not to comment at all. And 334 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: I think she makes a very important point because, as 335 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: you said, Amy, I think we have ingrained in us. 336 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: I mean, particularly at being thirty three, I remember that 337 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: the greatest compliment you could get is that you've lost 338 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: weight or you look skinny. And we've all come to 339 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: realize that that's just not good rhetoric for anyone, and 340 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: it's not about the way you look, and looking skinny 341 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: doesn't equate that you're healthy, and being big doesn't equate unhealthy. 342 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: I think it's really good that they're educating their followers 343 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: about it, and it's a discussion because and it makes 344 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: you think, because sometimes you will be like I mean, 345 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: I've said before to friends, oh my god, you look 346 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: so good. Have you lost weight? And it's like you 347 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: don't even realize how damaging that could be, even though 348 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: you had good intentions to say. Is that inherent fat phobia, 349 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: isn't it? Sometimes you have to pull yourself up. And 350 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: that's what is so scary about all these new nineties 351 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: and naughty's trends coming back. And I think that's why 352 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: people are so mindful that we don't want to be 353 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: celebrating these heroin chic bodies that were very in fashion 354 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: at the time. He said, heroin cheeks literally celebrating the 355 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: body of somebody who was so unwell addicted to heroin. 356 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: And back to the Kardashians. I mean, anyone who's watching 357 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: the recent series can see the absolute emotional term or 358 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: that Chloe Kardashian is going through. Now. On the topic 359 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: of Abby, her ex partner Conrad b and Stevens has 360 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: finally broken his silence about their split, so he set 361 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: the record straight and said that their breakup happened a 362 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: month before he entered reality show The Challenge, and he 363 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: said that he didn't go in there looking for love 364 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: or of relationship. He also confirmed that at the moment, 365 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: he's very much single, despite the fact that there was 366 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: that leaked footage of him hooking up with Megan Marks 367 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: on the show, and he said that they are not dating. 368 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: I heard the show absolutely bombed this week. I forgot 369 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: that it was either oh see, I've been hanging to 370 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: watch it and then I'm not like we joke that 371 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: rhese watch is free to ed, but I just completely 372 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: forgot it was on because I kept seeing the ads, 373 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: but I never saw the release day. I'm just not 374 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: interested in all that sort of challenge. Shit. I'm all 375 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 1: for the show, but I'm all for watching them interact 376 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: with each other in the house. But I hate all 377 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: of the games. I don't want to watch people play games, 378 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 1: and also a wee bit over some of the reality 379 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: styles that they drag out again and again, Like I 380 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 1: couldn't give a shit about people that were on The Bachelor. No. Well, 381 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: Conrad is doing the publicity rounds obviously to pump up 382 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 1: some interest in this show that is clearly failing in 383 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: the ratings at the moment, and he has spoken about 384 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: his sexuality for the first time so in a recent 385 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: interview with The Daily Telegraph, he said that despite the 386 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: fact that he's only been with women, he wants to 387 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: be really honest about how he's feeling, so he has 388 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: come out and said that he's realized he's pan sexual. 389 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: He said, I've been thinking about it a lot lately, 390 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 1: and I would probably say I was pan sexual if 391 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: I was going to be anything for me, all of 392 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: my relationships have been with females. It's hard for me 393 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,040 Speaker 1: today because I want to be respectful in saying it, 394 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: but I guess I haven't met a guy yet that 395 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: I've wanted to date or sleep with. In a sense, 396 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: it's only a new thing for me to think about 397 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: and navigate. Well, you say he hasn't opened up about 398 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 1: his sexuality in the past, but he was very open 399 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 1: about his thoughts about sex. He was in an open 400 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 1: relationship with Abby Chatfield and did a very detailed interview 401 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: about how that relationship works. So I do hope when 402 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 1: he's come more to terms of being pan sexual that 403 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: he does go out on podcasts and speak about it more, 404 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 1: because it's really interesting to hear about. Now. For those 405 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 1: who don't know, pant sexual is when someone is attracted 406 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: to both genders, so they fall in love with the 407 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: person no matter their gender identity. People might be aware 408 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,239 Speaker 1: that brook Burton on The Bachelor was pan sexual, so 409 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 1: she of course did the series where she was picking 410 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: between men and females and talking about that series obviously, 411 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: that's a series Conrad was on. But before he was 412 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 1: on The Bachelorette, he was working as a tradee and 413 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: that's why he felt restricted about opening up Gwen's standing 414 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: like that. 415 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 3: You think we couldn't do that to theatrically hug the 416 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 3: rich in disposition and cover ourselves in glory all over 417 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:00,120 Speaker 3: the front pages. 418 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: I doubt it. You barely find it in yourselves to 419 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 1: hug your own. I hug who I want to. 420 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 4: I hug who I love, particularly when they are affected 421 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 4: by the selfishness of other's any tearing up? 422 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: Who are you referring to? 423 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 3: Camilla? 424 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: Last week, the much anticipated new series of The Crown 425 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: dropped on Netflix, and all anyone could talk about is 426 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: the casting. Amy. There is one name that keeps popping 427 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: up that people are torn about. Yeah, so that name 428 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: is Dominic West. So he plays the role of Prince Charles, 429 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: and everyone's saying he is too attractive to be Prince Charles. 430 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 1: I completely agree this guy, Dominic he is way too 431 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: hot to be Prince Charles or King Charles, whatever we 432 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 1: want to call him. Now. I kept forgetting during the series, 433 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, who is that guy? I again, Oh, it's 434 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: Prince Charles. Particularly when they got the casting of Princess Diana, 435 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: so spot on like she dead set looks like Princess Diana. 436 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: It's crazy. There's a lot of rumors going around that 437 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: maybe King Charles had something to do with the making 438 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: of the Crown, and maybe he had a say in 439 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,880 Speaker 1: casting himself as someone who was quite attractive, because, as 440 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: you do, as it's human nature, when there is a 441 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: character that's quite attractive, you're like, oh, you feel a 442 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: bit sorry for him. Is Oh, he's quite innovative with 443 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 1: his modern takes on the royal family. But it is 444 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: a total glow up, isn't it for Prince Charles. I 445 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: actually thought the actor who previously played Prince Charles was 446 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: perfect because he had that sort of goofy appearance. But 447 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: he's also quite likely. I actually found him quite hot too. Yeah, 448 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: but he was goofier than this. Yeah, but he had 449 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: something about him. Well. The funny thing is I was 450 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 1: listening to Mama mea out loud and they were chatting 451 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: about the Crown and Holly Wainwright said that Dominic West 452 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 1: is actually connected to the royal family. So his wife 453 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: is friends with Prince Charles and he is friends wow 454 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 1: Prince Harry. So to me, that makes me think that 455 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: Charles would be having some sway in it or otherwise 456 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: this guy is a bit of a dick, because apparently 457 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 1: behind the scenes he's not a very nice guys. Yeah, 458 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: he's a bit of a dick. Yeah, I was really 459 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: surprised when I was watching The Crown, because I thought 460 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 1: that the spotlight would be firmly on Princess Diana. I 461 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 1: thought it was her story to be told this series. 462 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: But it's been very much about King Charles, and I 463 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: think that they have been so quick to paint him 464 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 1: as being someone who has really radical modern ideas. He's 465 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: very clever, and also you kind of feel sorry for 466 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 1: him and Camilla. You sort of see their relationship and 467 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: how they really wanted to be together. Obviously that was 468 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: explored in the previous series, so they've received a much 469 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: more favorable editor in this series. Everyone's saying Camilla's too 470 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: hot as well, but I thought they got her spot 471 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: on well. There has been a lot of concern amongst 472 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: the Royal family about how Charles will be portrayed in 473 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: this series because the series does lead up to the 474 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: death of Princess Diana. So it's quite interesting that suddenly 475 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 1: we've got this hot actor playing Prince Charles. We've got 476 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: a very favorable edit for him and Camilla and they 477 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: are really gaining that sympathy. Well, it's pretty spot on 478 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: with the way they managed to turn their love story around, 479 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: because back when Princess Diana passed away. Camilla Parker Boles 480 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: literally had to go into hiding. She was the most 481 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 1: hated woman in the UK, and somehow, in a couple 482 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 1: of years on from that they managed to turn it around. 483 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: They got married. Everyone's accepted her. Now she's Queen consult 484 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 1: She's a Queen Consort, which apparently wasn't gonna happen. So 485 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 1: I can see why they're doing this, and I think 486 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: it is kind of reflective of their relationship. I think 487 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 1: a lot of people realized, well, Prince Charles was a 488 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: victim in this, as well as Princess Diana. I think 489 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: now that we've seen Harry and Meghan come out and 490 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: talk about the institution and how you're not allowed to 491 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 1: do anything, I think it has really humanized the other 492 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: people who've gone along the way. The Crown obviously showed 493 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 1: Princess Margaret and how she wasn't allowed to marry who 494 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: she wanted to marry as well, So I think that 495 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 1: we're realizing that these people are human at the end 496 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: of the day, and they've made a lot of sacrifices 497 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: for the Crown. The thing is, when I watched The 498 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: Crown the last series, I was yelling at my TV 499 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 1: screen because I was like, you fucking prick, how dare 500 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: you treat Princess Diana like that? But I'm not so 501 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: much doing it in this series. What's kind of funny though, 502 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 1: is Dominic West. He actually came out and said that 503 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: he almost turned down the role of Charles because he 504 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: thought he didn't look anything like him, and he told 505 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: the producers you have got the wrong guy. And Dominic 506 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 1: West and the actress who plays Camilla, they came out 507 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: and said they'll try and not be as hot anymore 508 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: for the series. Well, talking about the rest of the cast, 509 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 1: I'm not very keen on the New Queen, and I 510 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: think I'm biased because the actor that plays the Queen 511 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: is also the actor that played Professor Umbridge and Harry Potter, 512 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: and I have scars. Literally, she's kind I don't know 513 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: if it's just because of her role on Harry Potter, 514 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: but she seems a bit evil. 515 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. 516 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: I feel like when she was portrayed by Clairefoy and 517 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: Olivia Coleman, they was so good and they likable. Yeah, 518 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: they were really likable, and they nailed her accent. And 519 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: now I don't see her. I don't see this Professor 520 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: Umbridge as the Queen Serious Professor as well. He is 521 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: worse than Prince Charles. The guy that's playing Prince Philip, 522 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: it's Jonathan Pierre. He looks nothing like him. The previous 523 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: guy who played Prince Philip was to Bias Menzies and 524 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: he did an incredible job. His accent was spot on, 525 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: the way he held him. Oh, I think it's because 526 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 1: you have a bit of a soft spot though for 527 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: Prince Philip, because one of the few people because in 528 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: the earlier series he was quite hot and he was 529 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 1: portrayed as being quite charismatic. He is and he's not 530 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: this new guy. I don't get is we left off 531 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: with completely different actors from the other series. However, it 532 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 1: only seems to be about six or eight years of 533 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 1: past and why has everyone changed so much? Like who 534 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: they have got? Spot on though is Princess Diana. And 535 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: I can't believe the actor Elizabeth de Becky is Australian. 536 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 1: She has the voice so spot on. Even Princess Diana's 537 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: ex butler, Paul Burrell came out and said it's eerie 538 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 1: watching it because the voice is Spotts. She sounds so 539 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: similar to the actress who played her in the last series, 540 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 1: because I felt like she nailed the voice as well, 541 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: but she didn't look as much like Princess Diana, Like 542 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: there are angles of this actress that you're like, Wow, 543 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: what's taken me by surprise? Is the storyline involving Muhammad 544 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: and Dodi al Fayed and being an avid Royal watcher. 545 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: There was information that came out in the series of 546 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: The Crown that I never knew about. When I was 547 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: watching this episode you're speaking about. I was googling at 548 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: the same time, which is what all Crown viewers seemed 549 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: to do, because I was like, this is all wrapped 550 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: up a little too neatly for this to be true, 551 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: I know, for it to be real life. So just briefly, 552 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: Muhammad al Fayed. He is the father of Dodi al Fayed, 553 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 1: who dated Princess Diana, and Dodi was tragically killed in 554 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,199 Speaker 1: a car accident in Paris alongside the princess. So in 555 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 1: this new series, there's an episode which details the rise 556 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: of the al Fayed family and it highlights Muhammad's fascination 557 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 1: with the royal family. So he likened members of the 558 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: royal family to gods, and he deemed his own success 559 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 1: on how close he could get to the royal family, 560 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: and bizarrely, this desire to be close to the royal 561 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: family led him to hire Sidney Johnson, the former valet 562 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: of the Duke and Duchess of Windsor. So the Duke 563 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 1: of Windsor is the former King Edward who was exiled 564 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,120 Speaker 1: to Paris after he chose to marry divorcee Waller Simpson. 565 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:08,919 Speaker 1: This is a bit of a history lesson for you 566 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,719 Speaker 1: guys now, the valet Sydney he guided Muhammad on the 567 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: manners of the English upper class, from how to dress 568 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: and what to read. And Muhammad also ended up purchasing 569 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: the restored King David's former home, which he dubbed Villa Windsor. Yeah, 570 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 1: this was also bizarre. It's almost like a chess game 571 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 1: for Muhammed because he's trying so hard to get in 572 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: the good graces of the royal family and be very instrumental. 573 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 1: He ended up buying the Riots and also Harods, so 574 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 1: he really wanted to be part of the family. And 575 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: it's really sad watching it knowing what has happened, because 576 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,360 Speaker 1: now he blames the royal family completely for the death 577 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,120 Speaker 1: of his son, and also Princess Diana. Yeah, what a turnaround, 578 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: because he is the biggest one pushing the conspiracy theories 579 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: that the Firm and the royal family were behind the 580 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 1: death of Princess Tho. I can kind of see moren 581 00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: now knowing the connection between all of them a little bit. 582 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 1: To remember, though the Crown is fiction, they have now 583 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: had to state this is fiction, oh most of it. Well, 584 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: I had looked into it, and a lot of this 585 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 1: section of it is true. Yeah, it's I think it's 586 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: more so the rumored affairs that Prince Philip has apparently 587 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: had that is a bit iffy about whether that happened. 588 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: I actually turned it's iffy. I just think that when 589 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 1: they were going through that part of The Crown, it 590 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: would have been highly disrespectful to the Queen. I think 591 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: if those portions of the show were filmed now we 592 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: might be seeing something very different. I actually turned to 593 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: Dale when we were watching The Crown. I said, as if, like, 594 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 1: can't people work out that obviously the Firm had something 595 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 1: to do with Princess Diana's death. That Dale was like, 596 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: it's too late at night to start talking about this. Well, 597 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: I think we'll leave it there, because this podcast could 598 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: go on for a while if we were dissecting that 599 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: today's podcast was recorded on the traditional land of the 600 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 1: Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to 601 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: elders past and present. 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