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Speaker 1: It is time for the week that was in a

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Speaker 1: packed studio this morning. We've got the oppositions Marray, Claire

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Speaker 1: booth be good morning.

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Speaker 2: To you, Good morning Katie, and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: We've got Sky News correspondent. What do we call you,

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Speaker 1: Matt Cunningham, anything you. We've got Kesier Puric, she's back

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Speaker 1: the Well the Independent member for going at.

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Speaker 3: Good morning to you, Keysy, morning Katie, Morning bush people.

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Speaker 1: And we've got Brent Potter back for the Labor Party.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to your Brench. It is certainly going to

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Speaker 1: be a busy one. There's been no shortage of topics

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Speaker 1: up for discussion throughout this week and I do want

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Speaker 1: to just go firstly to the situation that unfolded in

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Speaker 1: Katherine on Wednesday night. Police say that it was lucky

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Speaker 1: that no one was hurt or killed when a group

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Speaker 1: of teenagers in allegedly stolen vehicles well rammed a pair

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Speaker 1: of police cars in Catherine. On Wednesday at about eleven pm,

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Speaker 1: police received reports that two cars had been stolen from

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Speaker 1: the Northern Land Council compound in Catherine. It's about two

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Speaker 1: hundred and seventy kilometers as we know away from Darwin

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Speaker 1: now they were being driven erratically around the town. We

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Speaker 1: spoke to the Deputy Commissioner, Michael Murphy on the show

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Speaker 1: yesterday and yeah, he had said that obviously they'd put

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Speaker 1: the lives of those police officers in danger, the lives

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Speaker 1: of bystanders in danger, their own lives in danger. Now,

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Speaker 1: my understanding is that three teenagers age between fourteen and

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Speaker 1: sixteen have been taken into custody. One was already an

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Speaker 1: arrest target from what Michael Murphy.

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Speaker 4: Had told us.

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Speaker 1: Two others are on bail conditions already for property offenses.

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Speaker 1: And this is just, I guess, a week and a

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Speaker 1: half after we'd seen other terrible vision out of Alice

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Speaker 5: The terrible thing too.

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Speaker 6: Wilfie I wasn't at Michael Murphy' press conference, but I

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Speaker 6: already his comments subsequently where he was saying, this is

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Speaker 6: a social media trend that's happening across Northern Australia. They're

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Speaker 6: how they're seeing it in Catherine and Alice Springs where

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Speaker 6: the kids are basically doing this for kicks. So that

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Speaker 6: they can film it and put it on social media.

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Speaker 6: I think that's really concerning. I mean, if people are

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Speaker 6: going out and committing a crime that's serious to steal

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Speaker 5: Cars, putting people's lives at risk in.

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Speaker 6: The process, and they're doing this to get a kick

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Speaker 6: from their mates on social media, it's a real worry.

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Speaker 3: But Matt, I don't think that they consciously think of

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Speaker 3: the fact that they're putting lives at risk, even their own.

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Speaker 3: I think they're just so dopey and so dumb and

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Speaker 3: devoid of any intellect or intelligence that they just steal

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Speaker 3: and it's just goodturdorous violence. Yet again, but it seems

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Speaker 3: to be becoming a more commonplace, like the Alice Springs situation,

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Speaker 3: as you said, and even I think early this morning

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Speaker 3: because I saw something early on Facebook another car was rammed,

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Speaker 3: and if it is a trend, then God help us,

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Speaker 3: help all of us, you know, because we don't want cars.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's a car is a way.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, used that's going to happen in dar One, but

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Speaker 7: on businesses quite often. And you know what I want

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Speaker 7: to know is like, what is the tipping point? When

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Speaker 7: is the government going to actually do something different. We've

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Speaker 7: had We've now had six years of labor. We have

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Speaker 7: seen things got worse, not better. And all we hear

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Speaker 7: to know that something is going to change, is going

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Speaker 7: to be light at the end of the tunnel.

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Speaker 8: It's disgusting behavior. Put it simply, what are you going

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Speaker 8: to do about us that? Well, hold on, I'll let

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Speaker 8: you talk. I let everyone talk. I get the chance

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Speaker 8: now to do It's what the radio station's about. So

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Speaker 8: disgusting behavior. I'm glad that they got three of them.

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Speaker 8: No police officers should have ever been put in that position.

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Speaker 8: a separation betawse. It's beween the courts and they do

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Speaker 8: all the judiciary and the government. And there's enough legislation

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Speaker 8: in place. We brought in the youth reforms last year.

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Speaker 8: The kids are on bail, so I would hope that

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Speaker 7: But you remove the breach of bail as a condition,

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Speaker 7: and I mean, this is squarely the fault of the government.

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Speaker 7: Those kids should never have been out there in the

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Speaker 7: first place. You've had six years to do something. You

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Speaker 7: system is going to do its job and that everyone's

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Speaker 2: Territories are not fine.

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Speaker 7: Things out there are not okay, And every single day

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Speaker 7: and night we see these awful incidences and we just

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Speaker 8: So let's let's clarify something quickly if I can, Katie,

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Speaker 8: we remove breach of bail as an offense of itself.

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Speaker 8: You still breach a bail condition. You are still going

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Speaker 8: before the court. You are having your bail revoked, and

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Speaker 8: you are going before the court. The difference was breach

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Speaker 8: individual offense. They're still being held accountable, they're still going

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Speaker 8: to court, they're still getting em D, they're still going

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Speaker 8: to sult Bush. It's still there, just not a criminal

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Speaker 8: offense as you would like it to be.

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Speaker 1: Well, I do reckon, then we are seeing a situation

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Speaker 1: committing an offense like what we saw in Catherine.

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Speaker 8: I just don't think they comprehend their actions. I actually

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Speaker 8: genuine don't believe they care that then how do.

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Speaker 1: We as a community, you know, if that is the case,

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Speaker 1: how do we then as a community continue to sort

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Speaker 1: of function in the way that we currently are. If

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Speaker 1: we've got kids that are trying to outdo each other

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Speaker 1: on TikTok or on social media, that don't genuinely understand

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Speaker 1: most extreme level like we saw on Wednesday night. But

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Speaker 1: we've still got other things happening, you know, almost daily,

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Speaker 1: and it is breaking the community.

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Speaker 3: Because I've been away, but just before I went away,

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Speaker 3: they there was people who broke into or young people

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Speaker 3: who broke into the Hoardsprings tavern and the Hume to

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Speaker 3: do golf, GPS yep and somehow installing cars presumably. But

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Speaker 3: of police chase them through the bush, but they'd gone

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Speaker 3: in the this was in the morning, and these youth

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Speaker 3: they didn't catch them, which you know, of course they're

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Speaker 3: going to catch them because they're pretty dumb, these criminals.

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Speaker 3: But that was just one isolated incident that you know,

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Speaker 3: has touched our road people. And we've got a few

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Speaker 3: after them. But I know in Palmerston's it's almost like

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Speaker 3: daily currents things that go wrong Inston. But you know,

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Speaker 3: even in these criminals, and you know, even.

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Speaker 1: In the situation in Alice Springs, and please correct me

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Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, but the situation that unfolded in Alice

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Speaker 1: Springs about a week and a half ago, I'm pretty

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Speaker 1: sure and I know that these kids were young, but

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that a couple of them got just

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Speaker 1: taken home, Like, how is that actually a consequence to

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Speaker 1: a very very dangerous action. And that's the questions that

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Speaker 1: not seeing a change to the behavior. And I certainly

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Speaker 1: take on board what you're saying that you know, with

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Speaker 1: some of these kids, they may not see what they're

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Speaker 1: doing is as being wrong, but it is and it's

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Speaker 9: So I think there's where you spoke about last week.

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Speaker 8: I speak about it now and I don't know the

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Speaker 8: have happened. But I think there's three things here. The

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Speaker 8: Abriiginal Justice Agreement, family responsibility agreements. At the end of

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Speaker 8: the day, families and communities need to come together and

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Speaker 8: take a lot of responsibility for this rhythm.

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Speaker 9: Now we're working.

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Speaker 8: You know, the Territory Families Minister came out and said

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Speaker 8: we need a circuit breakout to take them away from that.

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Speaker 8: But the next day, like I said last when it

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Speaker 8: the right track, then we'll do that. But to say,

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Speaker 8: put the Marie Claire would put them straight back into

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Speaker 8: don Dale. You know, they should have had their breach

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Speaker 8: are paying for it. So we know that programs work,

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Speaker 9: They are kids. At the end of the day, they're

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Speaker 8: You need to keep working at it, and I think

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Speaker 8: the family Responsibility Agreements the one way.

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Speaker 9: Of doing that.

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Speaker 7: Brand You say a lot of words, and so do

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Speaker 7: your labor colleagues, but at the end of the day,

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Speaker 7: things are worse now under your than they have ever been,

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Speaker 7: especially in the last six years. I mean, we have

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Speaker 7: for such a long time. Who are packing up and leaving?

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Speaker 7: And if we can't keep those people who to stay here,

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Speaker 7: then what hope have we got to keep those well,

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Speaker 7: not only to attract people, but the people who have

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Speaker 7: only been here, living here for a couple of years.

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Speaker 7: I mean, those people are not going to put up

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Speaker 7: with that. They are going to leave and we're going

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Speaker 7: to be in a word situation. What I'm hearing is

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Speaker 7: the only things that are working under these all these

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Speaker 7: words that you use is that labour think they're doing

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Speaker 7: a good job. The criminals must think you're doing a

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Speaker 7: good job. But I can tell you now Territorians believe

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Speaker 7: that this is woeful. We are at Price's point. People

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Speaker 7: are leaving and they've had enough.

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Speaker 3: I think it's gone marriage. I think it's gone past

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Speaker 3: Christ's point. We've talked about this lots of times. The

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Speaker 3: next word that we can use, I can't think what

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Speaker 3: goes beyond crisis. I don't know chos crisis whatever, or

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Speaker 3: just structurally things are failing within certain towns in the

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Speaker 3: Northern Territory and government does have a very major and

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Speaker 3: important role to try and address the problems. Now, I

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Speaker 3: hear what government says, and I hear what Brent's saying,

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Speaker 3: all that sort of stuff, but no one sees like

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Speaker 3: we keep hearing it. And I've mentioned this before. We

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Speaker 3: keep hearing about diversion. I go on a diversion, but

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Speaker 3: we never see any data as to whether there's success

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Speaker 1: I'll put that very question to Kate Warden earlier in

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Speaker 9: Obviously you don't want to see youth.

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Speaker 1: One of the programs that has been spoken about as

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Speaker 8: what I can tell you is last year we reintroduced

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Speaker 9: They must complete the program.

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Speaker 7: You see how there's so many gaps in this system,

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Speaker 8: So you're not going to put the victim in front

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Speaker 9: I said, victim blame. How do you draw that conclusion?

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Speaker 9: We just made a reduction.

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Speaker 8: Obviously, if they don't want to do that conference, the

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Speaker 6: Reasonably likely to offend or insult. What on earth does

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Speaker 1: that has got people very worried. The provision prohibits a

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Speaker 1: public act that is reasonably likely in all the circumstances

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Speaker 1: to offend, insult, humiliate, or intimidate another personal group, and

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Speaker 1: is done because of a protected attribute of the person

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Speaker 1: or group. A public act may be applied to the

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Speaker 1: publication of online content that offends, insults, humiliates, or intimidates

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Speaker 1: because of a protected attribute.

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Speaker 4: Now can I So.

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Speaker 3: It's the commission, any discrimination commission going to troll through

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Speaker 3: everyone's bloody face.

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Speaker 1: This is the other part of it is that you

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Speaker 1: don't have to be the person that's been offended or insulted.

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Speaker 4: Somebody can actually make that complaint.

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Speaker 6: On complain on your behalf. See straight away how this

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Speaker 6: is going to be weaponized.

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Speaker 3: By groups or individuals in.

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Speaker 6: Stated to shut down people or opinions that they don't like.

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Speaker 3: So when I'm at the football and you're standing up,

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Speaker 3: I sit down, your bloody goose.

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Speaker 2: You're going to take effe.

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Speaker 6: You'd have to say your bloody goose with one leg

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Speaker 6: shorter than the other.

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Speaker 7: Oh, yeah, you'd have to. But it's an outright attack

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Speaker 7: on freedom of speech. I mean, that's what it is.

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Speaker 7: And to be honest, Labor like it that way because

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Speaker 7: if we don't, people don't.

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Speaker 2: Agree with what Labour say, it's like the highway.

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Speaker 7: So this is a really nice way of them wrapping

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Speaker 7: up this bad legislation which is going to have an

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Speaker 7: impact to everyday territory and it's going to cost people

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Speaker 7: a lot of money if they end up before a judge,

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Speaker 7: wrapping it up with good policy and good legislation which

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Speaker 7: will actually help protect people and do the right things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think that's a really important point to make.

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Speaker 1: You know, ninety five percent of this is actually really important,

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Speaker 1: that it is really good. Nobody thinks that there should

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Speaker 1: be racism within the community, nobody thinks there should be sexism.

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Speaker 7: That's right, and they should have just gone with that

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Speaker 7: because that's okay. As soon as they wrap up this

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Speaker 7: freedom of speech erosion, and as soon as they wrap

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Speaker 7: up you know, forcing faith out of f based schools

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Speaker 7: like that includes Catholic, Christians, Jewish, Muslim everyone. Then all

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Speaker 7: that does is means that people are not going to

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Speaker 7: stand for this piece of legislation.

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Speaker 2: They're going to be up in arms about it.

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Speaker 8: So we're not removing faith from schools. There are already

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Speaker 8: schools and out altogether which protects. Let you just talk,

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Speaker 8: I'm going to have like at least thirty seconds to

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Speaker 8: get a welcome to Islamic schools currently have non Islamic

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Speaker 8: preaching teachers.

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Speaker 10: We have in other schools, the Catholic schools that are

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Speaker 10: already doing this with teachers because they take the best

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Speaker 10: teacher for the job. And that's incision on This isn't

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Speaker 10: removing their ability to have a principle, for example, that

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Speaker 10: is a religious faith that they can put inside their

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Speaker 10: job description that that chances come out and said that

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Speaker 10: they can still do it.

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Speaker 4: That is the of what Charls Gouchy had said, right Well, that.

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Speaker 8: Maybe what Charles Gouty said, but you know, the minister

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Speaker 8: the ag is introducing is his legislations, he understands Attorney General.

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Speaker 9: And then we're not that all going for a long time.

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Speaker 8: But what I would say is that no one should

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Speaker 8: be discriminating a sexual you for a job. Now, going

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Speaker 8: to the other bit around the public act the cause effects.

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Speaker 8: I think the key that everyone's missing him is a

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Speaker 8: public act talking about you know, let's.

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Speaker 5: Be public act every Saturday.

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Speaker 9: What are you doing? Onday?

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Speaker 5: Column? And the NT Now, what's to say someone is

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Speaker 5: not going to be offended?

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Speaker 11: But then it's up to they discrimination commissioner to decide

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Speaker 11: what is reasonable. It's one person decide what is reasonable,

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Speaker 11: right and then and if that person says it's not reasonable,

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Speaker 11: then it goes through this legal process.

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Speaker 2: Defending yourself.

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Speaker 1: You and I have both been in a situation at

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Speaker 1: different times.

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Speaker 5: Darlin's Donald Trump, That's exactly.

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Speaker 2: That's not a different.

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Speaker 10: You're still liable defamation like this legislation you've already got defamation.

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Speaker 9: Are very are all these other processes in place?

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Speaker 8: And I think that we're focused on one part that

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Speaker 8: a public act that is going to cause offense would

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Speaker 8: be pretty bad for.

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Speaker 4: That again, it would give us an example.

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Speaker 6: Can you give us an example of a public act

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Speaker 6: that has occurred that was so insulting or offensive that

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Speaker 6: you needed to introduce legislation to stop that from occurring.

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Speaker 9: A good think of one right now.

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Speaker 3: I thought, just the other thing, Katie is I had

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Speaker 3: briefing from the Commission about this the first time this

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Speaker 3: this came out three or four years ago, and it

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Speaker 3: was a hopeless piece of document, then hopelessly five years ago,

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Speaker 3: five years ago, and it was like.

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Speaker 5: There's been an outrage about it ever since.

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Speaker 3: Ashi and I wrote against it at that's time. It

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Speaker 3: spoke against it because they had stupid, unending subjective statements

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Speaker 3: like oh, some people are offended by the use of

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Speaker 3: the words he and she.

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Speaker 4: What a load of bullshit.

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Speaker 3: It was lacking, lacked evidence, It lacked facts, and that's

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Speaker 3: why the government pulled it for nearly five years and.

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Speaker 5: Now they're rushing it through.

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Speaker 2: Blossy brochure.

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Speaker 3: It looked quite okay and read reasonably, but then when

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Speaker 3: that for consultation, and then they changed it and didn't

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Speaker 3: go back out for consultation all together. Now, hang on,

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Speaker 3: when I had my briefing, and this is where I

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Speaker 3: think where they've pulled out this section in regards to

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Speaker 3: the Christian and Catholic schools, et cetera. They told me

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Speaker 3: there's a Catholic school in one Aboriginal remote community, and

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Speaker 3: because if you want to, if you wanted to be

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Speaker 3: a teacher, and you know you want to, they say, well,

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Speaker 3: you know, you don't have to be a Catholic to

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Speaker 3: work at a Catholic school. You just have to support

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Speaker 3: and encourage their values. You have to be able to

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Speaker 3: speak of the faith to the students, because that's.

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Speaker 4: What that school is going to go to, a Catholic school.

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Speaker 3: I mean, why a person would want to go and

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Speaker 3: teach in a Catholic school if they didn't want to

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Speaker 3: do that beats me. But because of that school in

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Speaker 3: that community, they've taken the whole section out and impacted

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Speaker 3: right across the board. And the Anti Discrimination Commission has

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Speaker 3: done this before. I mean that first discussion paper was

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Speaker 3: just a joke.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think the Bishop has not ruled out if

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Speaker 1: these changes go forward, being in a situation where those

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Speaker 1: schools are going.

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Speaker 4: To have to close or taking legal action.

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Speaker 1: From what he'd said on the show, he said that

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Speaker 1: he felt it was the you know, like discrimination against.

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Speaker 3: Ways in reverse.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 9: But they've absolutely got that right.

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Speaker 8: If they want to take legal action or if they

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Speaker 8: want to close, that's a decision for them.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 8: But what I would say, absolutely could have done better

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Speaker 8: on the consultation, There is no doubt about that.

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Speaker 5: Why is it being rushed through next year? The year after?

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Speaker 6: There was a quote on the front page of the

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Speaker 6: paper on Monday from an unnamed government spokesperson that said

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Speaker 6: that they've gone further with this because they've done because

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Speaker 6: of the consultations, the submissions. When they first put it

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Speaker 6: put this out there, there were more than a hundred

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Speaker 6: of them, and most of them were from faith based groups,

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Speaker 6: and most of them were saying, don't do this.

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Speaker 3: Also, there was a whole state of legalten to the

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Speaker 3: I'm sure Mary Clare you and I don't know, and

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Speaker 3: you too, I've been in and undated. I've got two

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Speaker 3: faith schools. I've got some Francis in my area. I've

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Speaker 3: got Settler. They both have serious concerns and I'm with them.

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Speaker 3: But I've had probably I don't know, doesen plus individual

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Speaker 3: people some I know, some I don't from other areas,

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Speaker 3: And I'm sure you've had the same, absolutely, and they're

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Speaker 3: concerned about how it's been done.

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Speaker 2: Now And it's not just the teachers or the principles

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Speaker 2: of the schools. All the religious groups.

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Speaker 7: I talk to parents, parents of who have kids that

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Speaker 7: have chosen and spent the money on these private schools

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Speaker 7: to send their kids there based on the US and

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Speaker 7: these people may not be religious, but they still choose

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Speaker 7: to send their child to a school of faith because

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Speaker 7: of that reason, because I don't want to send them

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Speaker 7: to a public school.

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Speaker 2: Imagine all of those proad schools, and it's a choice.

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Speaker 2: It's a choice. It's all about choice. Imagine those public schools.

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Speaker 7: Having to take on all of the kids from the

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Speaker 7: private schools as they start to close because they can't

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Speaker 7: have all their values being taught.

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Speaker 2: That is going to create another whole problem.

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Speaker 1: I do also want to point out that I'd read

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Speaker 1: earlier in the week as well nationally that on the

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Speaker 1: national scale with the Antidiscrimination Act that when it comes

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Speaker 1: to the religious schools and that exemption, my understanding is

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Speaker 1: I'll have to go back and double check. But my

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Speaker 1: understanding is that the Federal Attorney General has sought for

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Speaker 1: there to be a review by the Law Society of Australia,

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Speaker 1: as I understand it, to make sure that they do

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Speaker 1: get it right.

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Speaker 4: So I just wonder with this aspect of.

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Speaker 1: It, if it is a matter of just going all right,

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Speaker 1: do you know what, maybe we need to see what

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Speaker 1: happens nationally with the way in which the federal government

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Speaker 1: is handling this, not rush it through because we are

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Speaker 1: you know, we have got all of these faith based

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Speaker 1: groups who are very concerned about this aspect that's been

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Speaker 1: removed after the consultation had taken place with them. So

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Speaker 1: does it just need to be put What is.

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Speaker 2: So urgent about this? I mean, we have got so

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Speaker 2: much more urgent, urgent things we need to be doing.

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Speaker 3: But Katie the other aspect, and it comes back to

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Speaker 3: the likely to offend. There's been no thought as to

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Speaker 3: the implications the impact of this piece of legislation on business.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the other thing.

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Speaker 2: How people.

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Speaker 3: I'm not talking about employing people things of that nature.

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about what goes on in workplaces sometimes and

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Speaker 3: what what doesn't go on. You know, lots of joking,

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Speaker 3: lots of nice calendars with naked girls and all that

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Speaker 3: sort of stuff. So if someone walks, I think.

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Speaker 9: It's pretty evan. They're not appropriate anymore in the common.

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Speaker 3: Tell me the day we heard Christian.

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Speaker 1: We heard from Christian out at at Litchfield, one of

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Speaker 1: the pubs out there where he got in trouble for

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Speaker 1: and saying how do you like your your breasts?

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Speaker 4: For the chickens? Some winged someone winged.

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Speaker 3: Obviously it was a woman from down south who came up.

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Speaker 4: It's like.

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Speaker 5: There are things that offend, insult.

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Speaker 2: The judgment.

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Speaker 3: There are workplaces out there that do still have calendars

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Speaker 3: with semi clad women or semi clad men, and that's.

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Speaker 2: The way it is that the Fireman calendars, there's.

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Speaker 3: Wimon calendar, the c w A calendar.

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Speaker 7: I don't know, believe it's all to judge McCollum, how

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Speaker 7: you feel and what your beliefs are.

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Speaker 1: What names is Ian Sloane going to come up with

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Speaker 1: for the crocodiles at the Berry Spring Crocodile Races next year?

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Speaker 4: Well, soft kroc? Is somebody going to find that offensive?

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Speaker 2: On the weekend everyone us. Just a couple of very quick.

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Speaker 1: Questions on this one, Just a couple of very quick ones, Matt.

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Speaker 1: Do you reckon that somebody like Colin Wicking would be

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Speaker 1: able to continue a cartoon like that under this legislation?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know he's not no longer being published

663
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: in the NT News, but do you think that there

664
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Speaker 1: is then going to be serious concerns for somebody like

665
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: him who we all love, you know.

666
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 6: Well, he certainly had concerns when this legislation was first

667
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 6: brought out, and I asked the former Chief Minister, Michael Gunner,

668
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 6: and then Attorney General and our Chief Minister and Attashment

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00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 6: Files on several occasions whether they could guarantee that Colin

670
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Speaker 6: Wicking would not be hauled before some kind of star

671
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 6: chamber to be to explain, you know, why he'd drawn

672
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 6: a funny cartoon that mocked people of faith or whatever

673
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 6: the case might be.

674
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Speaker 5: And they couldn't give that guarantee.

675
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 6: And if you look, if you want to look at

676
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 6: a real example, it says in the Need Act, whatever

677
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 6: you sent me this morning, it says that it's being

678
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 6: based on Section eighteen c of the Racial Discrimination Act,

679
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 6: the Federal Act.

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00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 5: Now.

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00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 6: Bill Leak, the cartoonist from The Australian, after the four

682
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 6: Corners don Dale scandal in twenty sixteen, drew a cartoon

683
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Speaker 6: that basically insinuated that some Aboriginal men don't take good

684
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 6: care of their children.

685
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 5: Right.

686
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 6: I remember that, And it's hard to sort of explain

687
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 6: it in words, but anyone who's seen the cartoon will

688
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 6: know what I'm talking about and a complaint was made

689
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 6: to the Human Rights Commission, which deals with these things right,

690
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 6: which allowed that complaint to proceed, and then he went

691
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Speaker 6: through a lengthy legal process and as a consequence of that,

692
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 6: his family say the effects on his health going through

693
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 6: that process were so severe that it contributed to the

694
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 6: heart attack he had that end of his life. Now,

695
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 6: whether you agree or disagree with the view that he's

696
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 6: putting forward in that cartoon, surely he has the right to.

697
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 5: Put forward that view.

698
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 6: I would have thought on a really important issue. And

699
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 6: yet this, this sort of legislation means that you know,

700
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 6: what's going to be the consequence, people are going to

701
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 6: shy away from having those seen of difficult conversations.

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00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 4: Well, I think that's the whole pot we'd had.

703
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: Jerry would call through earlier in the week as well,

704
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: and he said that was his big concern. And you know,

705
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: Jerry and I don't agree on, you know, some of

706
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: the different things that he's very passionate about, I don't

707
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: agree with, and we always have incredibly respectful discussions about that.

708
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: And I think it's really important to have those discussions

709
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: with people, even if you don't agree with their points

710
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: of view and their perspective. But I do have serious

711
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: concerns about this legislation and what it is going to

712
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: mean for freedom of speech, but also what it is

713
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: going to mean.

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00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 4: I guess after hearing.

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Speaker 1: From you know, those different schools and from the Bishop

716
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: as well. Again, you may not you know, you may

717
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: not agree, you may not want to send your kids

718
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: to a Catholic school. But the fact here also that

719
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: you know that the Bishop had said on the show

720
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Speaker 1: earlier in the week Katie, he wanted to meet with

721
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Speaker 1: the Attorney General again, and the Attorney General said no,

722
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: he'd already met with him. Like, I find that really

723
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: difficult because I think, well, if you've got the you know,

724
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: the head of the Catholic diocese.

725
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 4: Of the leader saying that he does want to again

726
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 4: to speak about.

727
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Speaker 6: Dictly to the bishop yesterday, and my understanding is that

728
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 6: he has subsequently met with the Attorney General excellent.

729
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 5: So obviously that had some wrong.

730
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 4: And look, you know, I think I do think that

731
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:46,959
Speaker 4: he met with him.

732
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 9: The point was he asked the meetings, had.

733
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Speaker 4: The meeting well good.

734
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Speaker 1: I'm glad that that was heard because, you know, because

735
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: earlier in the week, when we were talking to the

736
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: Attorney General. He had said that those that consultation had

737
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: already taken place. But I think consultation is very different

738
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: when it takes place then you release.

739
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Speaker 4: That's exactly right.

740
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Speaker 2: What is the rush like? Why can't it be delayed? Brent?

741
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 2: You know, why does it have to be this side

742
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 2: of Christmas? What's so urgent because.

743
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 3: The government hasn't got anything that can hang their hat on.

744
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 4: Well, there's a lot of versient stuff that Brent. Are

745
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 4: you going to support the legislation in its current form?

746
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 9: Yes?

747
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 4: Why listen?

748
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Speaker 8: I think no one should be discriminated based on their

749
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 8: sexuality for a job.

750
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 9: I do here.

751
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 8: I hear the concerns that you raised, and obviously myself,

752
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 8: I don't want anyone half in the front the discrimination

753
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 8: commissioner for something they said that has caused defense is

754
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 8: someone they would not have thought hold on that would

755
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 8: have caused offense. And I think that the very first instance,

756
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 8: when you read it, how it plays out, is mediation

757
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 8: with the discrimination Commissioner. And I think in many instances,

758
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 8: in many instances of workplace, the first thing you do

759
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Speaker 8: when you've actually offended someone or you've caused an issue

760
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 8: in the workplace, defense okay, we'll call it, however, a

761
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 8: ledge of fence in a workplace normally, at least we're

762
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 8: not in every workplace. I've the first thing, does the

763
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 8: manager sits down with the individual that's said it and

764
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Speaker 8: if the victim would like to be there as well,

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Speaker 8: and they go through it.

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Speaker 1: So you don't reckon at this in time that it's

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Speaker 1: worth waiting to see what happens federally. If they've got

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Speaker 1: the Law Society looking at what goes on federally in

769
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: this space, do you think that we're more expert than

770
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 1: the federal government on this topic.

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00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 8: So obviously I came into government only three months ago

772
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Speaker 8: and a lot of this had happened prior to me

773
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Speaker 8: coming there. I wasn't aware of the Australian Law Society

774
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 8: review done by the FEDS, and I think, you know,

775
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,439
Speaker 8: that's a really good way of fining the middle ground.

776
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 8: And listen, you know, we'll obviously what happens from their

777
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 8: next Do you think is about male due when it

778
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 8: comes in?

779
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 9: So yeah, I listen.

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00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 8: I would have loved to have sent that downe earlier,

781
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 8: but the previous government wouldn't commit to doing that federally.

782
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 8: So you know, took the Labor government in a national level.

783
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 9: To do it.

784
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 6: Well.

785
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: Look, I think there's still a lot of concerns, you

786
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: know right now, and a lot of concerns that people

787
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: have got around the territory. We're being contacted about this

788
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,720
Speaker 1: daily and not just from individuals, from.

789
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 4: Groups contacting us daily.

790
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: One last one, are you prepared to pay Matt's legal

791
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 1: fees if you offends someone?

792
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 9: Do I get to pick your lawyer?

793
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 7: That?

794
00:34:59,360 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 2: All right?

795
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: We are going to take a very short break. You

796
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: are listening to mix one oh four nine's three sixty.

797
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: It is the week that was now. I do just

798
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: want to correct myself from before I said that the

799
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: Australian Law Society was looking into to these laws federally.

800
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 4: It's not so.

801
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: The Federal Attorney General Mark Dreyfus see Australian Law Reform

802
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: Commission to review the country's religious exemptions for schools in

803
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: the federal Anti Discrimination Law in the first formal step

804
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: towards the new religious discrimination law. So they say that

805
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 1: they're not going to be moving forward on any proposed

806
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: legislation until at least the middle of next year. With

807
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: the Australian Law Reform Commission not due to report back

808
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: until April.

809
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 4: So there goes.

810
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 2: So we have no reason to rush it through before.

811
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 4: Christmas, I wouldn't think, So we can wait until April. Yeah,

812
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 4: wells confrontation.

813
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 7: We can then have a look at all the really

814
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 7: good parts about this legislation and then we can work

815
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 7: on those things that are clearly going to really impact

816
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 7: every single territorium.

817
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 4: Well, look, let's move along.

818
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,959
Speaker 1: Because one of the other issues that got people pretty

819
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: concerned yesterday was the future of Shady Camp Boat Ramp

820
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: as a mecha for recreational fishos. Now we know that

821
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 1: the COLP, the Minister for Parks and Rangers, Bill Yan,

822
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 1: had come out and said that well, it was uncertain

823
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: after an Aboriginal Land Commissioner report recommended the area for

824
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: a land claim without proper regard to the extensive public

825
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: use of the area. So the Shadow Minister, Bill Yan

826
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: had said recent briefings as part of the updates to

827
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: the Fisheries Act had uncovered that both the NT and

828
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: the Federal Labor government were preparing.

829
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 4: To sign off on the deal.

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00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: Now where is this at exactly, Brent, because I know

831
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: it was quite concerning for fishos. David Cirrovolo from the

832
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: Amateur Fishermen's Association had come on and said that, you know,

833
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: they were concerned about this.

834
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, so you know the federal legislation Trump's anything to

835
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 8: the territory. You know that we have I think we

836
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 8: are getting to a point where a deal will be done.

837
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:51,919
Speaker 8: You know, I'm confident. I'm a fisho and I don't

838
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 8: think any fisho out there should not be able to

839
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 8: get into Shady Camp. I think at the end of

840
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 8: the day, you know, at it synonymous with catching the

841
00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 8: meat barons till you have to chase one.

842
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 9: But you know that needs to be open to fishows.

843
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 9: We need to get to a point of a deal

844
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 9: being done.

845
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 8: And it is evident that you know, they probably did

846
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 8: miss the point around how many recreational fishes use that site.

847
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 9: I think everyone can.

848
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,760
Speaker 8: Everyone, even if you don't fish, you know how important

849
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 8: Shady Camp is for tourism. So I think that was

850
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 8: missed and I think that you know, at the end

851
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,399
Speaker 8: of the day, the deal will be, the deal will

852
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 8: be done, and it will be an outcome for everyone

853
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:19,919
Speaker 8: in that where we can.

854
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 9: Continue to fish.

855
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 8: Now I understand hod On, I don't understand where that

856
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 8: deals at specifically because I haven't been involved in it,

857
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 8: but I do know that we'll get to a point

858
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 8: of a deal.

859
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 9: So the if Tom I head, no, I do not.

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00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 7: So it expires in the thirtieth of December. And what

861
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 7: we have seen is that not only fish shows, but

862
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 7: of course tourism operators that operate out there. There's this

863
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 7: huge uncertainty around what's going to happen. This claim has

864
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 7: been there for twelve years and in the last eight

865
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 7: months has been very little talk about what's going to happen.

866
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 7: So they come out of the death I believe. There

867
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 7: was an AFAN meeting last night and some of those

868
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 7: ministers were there and they that crowd were pretty frustrated.

869
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 7: They felt like they weren't being heard, they weren't being

870
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 7: represented by the ministers in terms of this the Land

871
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 7: Commissioner report, and I mean, you know, with it just

872
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 7: a few more weeks to go, they still don't know

873
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 7: what's going to happen. Is Shady Camp going to be

874
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 7: able to be fished or not?

875
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 3: How are they ever going to stop them?

876
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 4: I don't well, I don't know.

877
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 8: I think the one thing we get well, everyone needs

878
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 8: to be able to go out and fish and that's

879
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 8: key to the territory. Agree with you absolutely that marklear

880
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 8: Booth you one hundred percent. And I know that both

881
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 8: parties want to come to a deal and government work

882
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 8: with him to come to that deal and we'll get

883
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 8: it done. Now do I Is it going to happen

884
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 8: before the end of December? I would like to think so,

885
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 8: and I would like to keep so. Then I would

886
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 8: like to hope the Department and everyone is working their

887
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 8: guts out to get it done and I can come

888
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 8: back to you with an update.

889
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 9: I don't know more than that.

890
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 3: The interesting thing, I don't know a lot about this

891
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 3: because I know about land claims, but this is under

892
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 3: the Averaginal Land Rights Sect, which is a common legislation. Now,

893
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 3: if the Kenby land claim took that long to get

894
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,240
Speaker 3: resolved for lots of different reasons, then it's.

895
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 5: Only thirty six years.

896
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 2: Could you imagine what the territory is going to be

897
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 2: like thirty six years time?

898
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 9: It's jobs.

899
00:38:58,719 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 2: So yes, it's.

900
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 3: Of the Commonwealth government, but the Anti government has a

901
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 3: very strong and serious role to play in negotiating with

902
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 3: and talking with the Commonwealth Government in regards to this

903
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 3: land claim and giving clarity, so both you know, we've

904
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 3: got a federal labor government, federal anti labor government. They

905
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 3: should be talking to each other and going out to

906
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 3: the relevant stakeholders. Would it be the amateur fishermen, the

907
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 3: commercial fishermen, the tourism people, and anyone else who's.

908
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 2: In that career. Everybody's in the dark, like even the

909
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 2: traditional owners don't know what's going on. So you know,

910
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 2: you're right.

911
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 7: They needs the anti government needs to be lobbying really

912
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 7: hard negotiating with the federal government about this. I mean,

913
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 7: they don't have to take the recommendations from the Land

914
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 7: Commissioner report, that's up to them. But we're hearing nothing

915
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 7: from the government about it. And as I said, only

916
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 7: a few weeks out, the uncertainty of Shady Camp not

917
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 7: just for our recreational fishows, but our tourism operators, and

918
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 7: of course we want the territory to be a tourism destination.

919
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 2: That's another problem for us.

920
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 8: I do believe the ministers attended the AGM last night.

921
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 8: I can't have any but there's a few ministers that attended,

922
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 8: and then they would have addly heard what the members

923
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 8: of the AFM were saying and you're asking what we're doing.

924
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 8: I've told you were negotiating to get it over the

925
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 8: line and get it done in good faith and hurry

926
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 8: it up so the fishows can have some certainty going

927
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 8: into the build up.

928
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 9: It's going to be also the wet season, the runoff,

929
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 9: it's going to be a good one this year.

930
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 4: We are going to take a really short break.

931
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three

932
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: sixty in the studio with me, of course for the

933
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 1: week that was Murray Claire Booth by Matt Cunningham, Keyesyer, Purican,

934
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: Brent Potter. Now, before we do wrap up this morning,

935
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: we know that another day of action held yesterday with

936
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: the public servants.

937
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 4: Matt, you've written a column about this last weekend. Would

938
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 4: that be allowed.

939
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 5: Under the discrimination Possibly not? I don't know.

940
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 4: It may have offended someone.

941
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 5: It's interesting though, isn't it.

942
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 6: I mean the point I was making last week it

943
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 6: was that, like, sure, frontline workers do deserve a pay

944
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,439
Speaker 6: rise inflations that you know, record highs. They've worked harder

945
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 6: than they've ever ever worked before. The problem is that

946
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 6: since the government announced to freeze on the number of

947
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 6: public servants three years ago, there's like another three thousand

948
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 6: of them, So that number just kept getting bigger and

949
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 6: bigger and bigger and bigger, and that means it's really

950
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 6: difficult to give the people who do work their pay

951
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 6: rise because there's three thousand more of them than they're were.

952
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 6: And when you give a pay rise, it doesn't just

953
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 6: affect next years a budget. It affects the one after

954
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 6: and the one after, the one after and the one after.

955
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 6: So I'm sure Treasury is just sitting there just having

956
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 6: a meltdown at the moment about what's potentially ahead of

957
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 6: us as these negotiations continue.

958
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 1: It is, it's really it is that it is a

959
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: tough position to be in right now, because that's the thing.

960
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 4: You know, the CPI, I think was at six point.

961
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,720
Speaker 1: Eight percent a little bit earlier or last month, towards

962
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: the end of last month, and so then you are

963
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: talking about a situation where the cost of living continues

964
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: to go up, but those wages aren't.

965
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 10: I know that.

966
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: You know, some of those that work in the private

967
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: sector that listen to the show have said, you know,

968
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: hang on a secive and how to pay increase And

969
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: I get that, I one hundred percent get that, But

970
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: right now.

971
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 4: It's going to be hard to retain.

972
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: Some of those public servants and to well hope that

973
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,280
Speaker 1: they don't move into Stato for the Christmas break, particularly

974
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: those in the teaching Katie.

975
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,879
Speaker 7: I was at the rally in Darwin yesterday and yeah,

976
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 7: there was hundreds of frontline workers. They're including teachers, as

977
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 7: you described, and I can tell you they were really angry,

978
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 7: really really angry.

979
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 2: With the labor government. What would this, what would we

980
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 2: were actually negotiating good faith?

981
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 5: Would give four?

982
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 7: Five?

983
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 6: Oh?

984
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 9: Here we go.

985
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 8: So long?

986
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 9: You've said to us, give them what they want?

987
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 2: What are you going to get? I never said give

988
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 2: them what they want?

989
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 9: What are you going to give them? What's the percentage

990
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 9: of you guys box?

991
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 4: Wouldn't you?

992
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 2: Absolutely and hopefully Treasury show us those because.

993
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 8: Tweet the numbers going to be one or two things

994
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 8: with you guys, it's going to be cut some teachers

995
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 8: to give them exactly what they want.

996
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 2: That is an absolutely you.

997
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 4: Did it before.

998
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 3: Let's cut. Let's cut another one of these art galleries

999
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 3: that they keep popping up like bloody daisies.

1000
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 7: So, Katie I was at that rally art galleries and

1001
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 7: Minister Kirby attended the rally and he addressed the crowd

1002
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 7: and that's good that he said, and it was really great.

1003
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 7: But what he did say though, was I'm sorry, it's

1004
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 7: not my fault. There is nothing I can do, which

1005
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 7: I just think was absolutely local. I mean, where was

1006
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 7: the Chief Minister. I mean she should have been the

1007
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 7: one fronting these frontline works and the teachers.

1008
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 3: Commissioner minister who's that?

1009
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 5: And so that's really really angry with.

1010
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: That.

1011
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 4: He was there, and like I think, good on him.

1012
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 7: There is a school just a second brand. There's a

1013
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 7: school in the Northern Territory which has fifteen vacancies for

1014
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 7: going into next year. They can't find the teachers to come.

1015
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 5: Here, so good all the teachers from the Catholic schools

1016
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 5: will be able to go and feel those.

1017
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, And like I just think, you know, they pretend

1018
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 7: negotiations going to keep going on until the classrooms are

1019
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 7: completely empty.

1020
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 8: So vouch for what Minister Kirby said or didn't say,

1021
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 8: because I wasn't there, but he was there.

1022
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 9: He did.

1023
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 8: You go and talk to him. He talks to the

1024
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 8: unions regularly. Labor is the party that has always looked

1025
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 8: after the worker and at the end of the day.

1026
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 8: We'll continue to negotiating good faith. You might say that

1027
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 8: we're not, but you guys don't actually understand what good

1028
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:03,760
Speaker 8: faith means. You cut teachers last.

1029
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 9: Time when you came in.

1030
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 11: You did.

1031
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 2: Did you know you did?

1032
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 9: And you have the budget. You can see where everything's at.

1033
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 8: You just need to come out and tell them what

1034
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 8: your position would be, because that's what the opposition the.

1035
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: Government radio you're the government.

1036
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 4: Listen anything.

1037
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 5: Which one?

1038
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: Which one?

1039
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 3: There was a few offensive comments been shown around.

1040
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 9: You just need to tell them what you That's the

1041
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 9: best way to have this.

1042
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 4: Dis faction, negotiations in good faith.

1043
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 3: The fact that it's a labor government, I'm offended at that.

1044
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,959
Speaker 1: We are going to we have run out of time.

1045
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: Marie Claire Boothy, thank you so much for being here

1046
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:46,959
Speaker 1: for the SEALP this morning.

1047
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 2: Thank you, Kadie.

1048
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 7: I do want to give a shout out to our

1049
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 7: farmers because today is National Agriculture Day, obviously National Farmers Federation,

1050
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 7: Anti Cattleman's, anti farmers, anti live exports, and thank you

1051
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 7: for all your hard work.

1052
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 3: In a farm boys and girls.

1053
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 4: I'm offended and usually the boys get eaten. We are

1054
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 4: going to speak to Paul.

1055
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,720
Speaker 1: Burke from in Tea Farmers. A bit later this morning,

1056
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 1: Matt Cunningham from Sky News, thank.

1057
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 6: You as always, big game of on tonight, Wolfe t

1058
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 6: i a Stadium, Gary Ablett Junior.

1059
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 5: That's going to be a good tikesy.

1060
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 3: Thank you. Shout out the Kalladian Festivals on tomorrow Fosky

1061
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 3: Pavilion at the Showgrounds ten o'clock to about four o'clock.

1062
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,760
Speaker 4: Good stuff, massive, wonderful. Those kind of plants be there, wonderful.

1063
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 9: I believe that it's Mahappy day tomorrow to get a

1064
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 9: big mac.

1065
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 4: I've got my French sox.

1066
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: They look fantastic. And it is also International Men's Day tomorrow,

1067
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: So a big thank you, thank you to all the

1068
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: wonderful blokes and and thank you do you blokes for

1069
00:45:59,200 --> 00:45:59,959
Speaker 1: being here this morning.

1070
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 4: Thank you everyone. Thank you to you women for being

1071
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 4: here this morning as well. We'll catch you again very soon.

1072
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: Stick around though, plenty more coming your way after ten

1073
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: o'clock