1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily os. Oh, 2 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 1: now it makes sense. Good morning and welcome to the 3 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: Daily Oz. It's Friday, the twenty eighth of February. I'm Atroll, 4 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,639 Speaker 1: I'm Zara. In recent months, we've seen headlines about a 5 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: story that takes place in regional Queensland and centers around 6 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two death of an eight year old 7 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: girl who died at the hands of a fringe religious group. 8 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: On Wednesday this week, fourteen members of a church were 9 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 1: sentenced to up to fifteen years for the manslaughter. 10 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 2: Of Elizabeth Struss. 11 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: Her death was the result of consistently being denied insolin 12 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: and medical care for her type one diabetes. Now it 13 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: was all under the belief that she would be eventually 14 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: healed by God. On today's podcast, we're going to take 15 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: you through the events that led up to what a 16 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: presiding judge described as a slow and painful death. 17 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 3: Now at told, this story has been dominating headlines and 18 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 3: it's admittedly quite a complex story. It involves a whole 19 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 3: web of characters and it is also really quite distressing. 20 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 3: So I do want to just say that at the outset, 21 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 3: for those unfamiliar with the case of Elizabeth Strus. Where 22 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 3: does this story begin. 23 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, so the roots of this story go all the 24 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: way back to a religious sect founded in the early 25 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: two thousands. Now they call themselves the Saints, and according 26 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 1: to court documents, the members of the church do not 27 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 1: ascribe to any religious denomination and simply consider themselves Christians 28 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: who follow God's words. 29 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 3: So they're not a specific denomination, They're not Protestant. It's 30 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 3: about it's actually this quite separate sect, is that right exactly? 31 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: And the church revolves around three main families, including the Stress. 32 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: Now they'd meet regularly about three times a week, and 33 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: court documents detailed just how close the fact families really were. 34 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: At the top of this network was a man named 35 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: Brendan Stevens, who will play a bigger part in this 36 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: story later down the track. Now, the families met almost 37 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: twenty years ago through their children who went to the 38 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: same school. Later, in a police interview, this is how 39 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: Elizabeth's mother describes her introduction to the church. 40 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 4: I have personally always believed that there was a God, yep. 41 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 4: But it wasn't until about seventeen years ago that I 42 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 4: spoke to a woman that told me about the things 43 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 4: that were in the Bible, and it was to be 44 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 4: right with God, we need to repent, be baptized by 45 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 4: for the motion and receives the Holy Spirit with the 46 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 4: evidence of speaking in tongues. And immediately I knew, if 47 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 4: it's in the Bible, then certainly I've got to do that. 48 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: So Zarah, at this point of the story, they're becoming 49 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 1: really good friends. Carrie, Elizabeth's mother, was baptized at the 50 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: church within the first year of becoming involved with the 51 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: Stephens family, which eventually her entire family followed suit. 52 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 3: Okay, so there are these two families that have become 53 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 3: incredibly close. You just said, Carrie, the mother of Elizabeth, 54 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 3: who is at the center of this story, was baptized. 55 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 3: Then other members of the family were baptized, and they 56 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 3: were all ascribing to this very specific belief system. Exactly 57 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 3: when was it, though, that this relationship took a turn? 58 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 3: Why has become a news story? 59 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: So this really developed over a couple of years. Now 60 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: the church's influence on the Struss family really becomes clear 61 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: when Elizabeth first started experiencing health issues. So when Elizabeth 62 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: was six years old, she became extremely unwell. Now she 63 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: was vomiting she wasn't eating, and she struggled to control 64 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: her own bladder. At one point, she was even too 65 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: sick to go. 66 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 2: Back to school. 67 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: And it wasn't really understood that diabetes was what was 68 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: causing all these health complications. 69 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 2: Okay. 70 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: In later police interviews, Jason told police that while he 71 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: knew he should take his daughter to the hospital, it 72 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: would go against what Carrie wanted for her daughter. 73 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 3: I'm just going to stop you there. So Jason is 74 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 3: the father of Elizabeth. Carey is the mother of Elizabeth. Elizabeth, 75 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 3: at the age of six, becomes sick. They don't know 76 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 3: what it is. We later understand that it's diabetes. Jason 77 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 3: believes that his daughter needs to go to the hospital, 78 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 3: but doesn't do so because it's against Kerrie's wishes. 79 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: Exactly. Okay, So these are kind of the big players 80 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: in this story. And this is where Brendan Stevens, the 81 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: church's leader, comes into play. 82 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 2: Yep, so he was the head of the other family exactly. 83 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: So when Carrie would share her concerns about Elizabeth's declining 84 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: health with Brendan, he would say things like God will 85 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 1: show them great victory and God can't fail. In one exchange, 86 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: he goes as far to tell the parents that he 87 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: sees visions of God healing Elizabeth. Now, eventually Jason, who 88 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: wasn't a part of the church at drew the line 89 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: and took Elizabeth to hospital after she fell unconscious at 90 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: home one day. This is where Elizabeth's parents really find 91 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: out what's wrong with her, and she was diagnosed with 92 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: type one diabetes. 93 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 3: It is really interesting that at the point you're talking about, 94 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 3: Jason isn't part of the church yet. It's fascinating that 95 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 3: you know he is married to Carrie, but yet they 96 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 3: have very different interactions with the church. So you said 97 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 3: that Elizabeth there is diagnosed with type one diabetes. 98 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 2: What happens after that diagnosis? 99 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, So, after Elizabeth was in hospital for about a month, 100 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: doctors put her under strict instructions and told her she 101 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: would need several insolent injections a day, which is the 102 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: standard diabetes treatment for millions of people. Doctors told the 103 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: court that she was malnourished and severely dehydrated, and they 104 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: really attempted to explain the severity of her diagnosis to 105 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: her parents. Now, despite how much doctors would stress the 106 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: importance of daily insolent injections. There was a lot of resistance, 107 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: specifically from Carrie, Elizabeth's mother. Now, in a police interview 108 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: after elizabe That's death, her mother said she truly believed 109 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: that the hospital was not the cure for her disease. 110 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 4: I don't believe the hospital was her health. I believe 111 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 4: miraculously she was held by God. 112 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,799 Speaker 1: A year after Elizabeth was diagnosed, her parents, Jason and Carry, 113 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: were both charged with failing to provide the necessaries of life. 114 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 3: So you're saying she was diagnosed with diabetes, and a 115 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 3: year later her parents were charged with failing to provide 116 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,799 Speaker 3: her basically failing to keep her alive. She is still 117 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 3: alive at this point though at the time where her 118 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 3: parents are charged. 119 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 1: Yes, this is in twenty nineteen, and she dies in 120 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. 121 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 2: Okay, So what happens after they charged? 122 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:47,559 Speaker 1: So Jason actually pleaded guilty and he testified against Carrie, 123 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 1: Elizabeth's wife, yes, his own wife, Elizabeth's mother, and received 124 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: a six month suspended sentence. Now Carrie was sentenced to 125 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 1: eighteen months in prison. 126 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 3: So they were convicted there of not providing the necessaries 127 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 3: of life to their very young daughter. And yet seemingly 128 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 3: nothing changed exactly. 129 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: So while Carrie was in prison for those eighteen months, 130 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: that's when Jason joined the church, and this was after 131 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: the encouragement of their second oldest child. So in December 132 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, the family was then reunited after Carey 133 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: was released from prison on parole. The following month, Jason 134 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: began reducing Elizabeth's insulin and this is really where things 135 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: started going downhill, and I mean over a week. He 136 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: also started falsely telling the church that her diabetes had 137 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: been cured, but in reality that was really far from 138 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: the truth. On the night of January two, twenty twenty two, 139 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: Elizabeth was given her very last insolent injection. Now, the 140 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: consequences of that decision came almost into effect immediately. One 141 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: of Elizabeth's siblings, who was thirteen at the time and 142 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: actually shared a room with her, later told police that 143 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: Elizabeth was sick, not keeping much down, and constantly in 144 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: and out of consciousness. 145 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 3: So you're describing there what a siblings saw, which is 146 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 3: essentially her body is failing her, this child, and that 147 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 3: she's not receiving the medicine she needs to live, and 148 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 3: that her parents have decided or her father at least 149 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 3: has decided to not provide this insulin. 150 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 2: What happens next. 151 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: Elizabeth's parents actually immediately turned back to the church, just 152 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: like the first time she got sick. Text messages between 153 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: the church members revealed how the sect believe Elizabeth would 154 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: become better and quote the flesh would not take hold. 155 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: But obviously, as we know now, that was not the case, 156 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: because three days later, Elizabeth died in the early hours 157 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: of January seventh, twenty twenty two, on a mattress on 158 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: the floor in her to Womber home. Her body laid 159 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 1: there for thirty six hours before police or emergency services 160 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: were even notified. The entire time, her family and other 161 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 1: church members prayed and say religious choruses. Kerry told police 162 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: that they genuinely believed she would rise from the dead. 163 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 4: It could have been that she just started getting better slowly. 164 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 4: It could have been that she jumped up and said, 165 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 4: what are you all doing? God has his own time frame. 166 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 4: We can't tell him how it should go. I didn't 167 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 4: think of how it was going to happen. I just 168 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 4: trusted God. 169 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: To this day, they continue to believe that Elizabeth will 170 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: be raised from the dead. In their lifetime. However, after 171 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: the discovery of the eight year old's death, police were 172 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: quick to question most of the congregation. 173 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's what's also an interesting part of 174 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 3: this story is that on the one hand we have 175 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 3: the role of the parents, but on the other hand 176 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 3: it's the other people in the church, because this is 177 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 3: a case where not just the parents have been charged, 178 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 3: but others have. 179 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: Right exactly that, all fourteen members of the Saints were 180 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: charged with manslaughter. The group went through the year's long 181 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: trial in Queensland's Supreme Court. Court documents show that the 182 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: family were quite resistant to cooperating with the league system. 183 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:05,559 Speaker 1: They all refused legal representation, it's interesting, despite being repeatedly 184 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: told to do so, and they also all refused to 185 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: enter plea deals. It was quite an unconventional trial. I mean, 186 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: nobody gave evidence nor took the stand to testify. The 187 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: group's leader, Brandon Stevens, was the only person who spoke 188 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: on behalf of the group. In doing so, it was 189 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: to accuse the court of religious persecution. 190 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 2: So fascinating, I know. 191 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: So all fourteen members of the congregation were charged with manslaughter, 192 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: but Jason, Elizabeth's father and Brendan the church's leader, were 193 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: originally also charged with murder, but during the trial, they 194 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: were later downgraded after Judge Burns concluded that they knew 195 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: of the probability, but he didn't believe that they completely 196 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: understood the possibility of death, and that was due to 197 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: their strong religious beliefs. 198 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 3: Okay, So we've got fourteen members here of a single 199 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 3: congregation who have all been charged over the death. 200 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 2: Of this eight year old girl. 201 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 3: Then this week the sentence was handed down for all 202 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 3: of these people. 203 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 2: What was the outcome? 204 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: So they were all found guilty. Elizabeth's mother and father 205 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: received fifteen and thirteen years in prison, respectively, for the 206 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: same charge of manslaughter. 207 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 3: And that difference is interesting, the fifteen versus the thirteen years. 208 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,199 Speaker 3: And I understand that the fifteen years is because she 209 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 3: had already another conviction exactly and she had served time 210 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 3: in jail before exactly that. 211 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: Brendan Stevens was handed a fourteen year prison sentence after 212 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: the judge called him a highly dangerous individual. Now the 213 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: court said that all three must serve at least eighty 214 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: percent of their sentences before they can even apply for parole. Now, 215 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: the remaining twelve defendants will all serve jail time. Following 216 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: the sentencing hearing on Wednesday, Elizabeth's oldest sister, who has 217 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: now become one of the only people to really speak 218 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: out about the case, welcomed the sentence. She said that 219 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: it finally brings justice to a young, bright girl with 220 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: big dreams. 221 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. 222 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it's an astonishing case and a 223 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 3: really fascinating one to look into. So thank you for 224 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 3: explaining that, a Choll, and thank you for joining us 225 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,199 Speaker 3: for another episode of The Daily os. Feel free to 226 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 3: subscribe and you'll have a different deep dive waiting for 227 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 3: you every weekday morning. 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