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Speaker 1: and Road Safety Road Safety Support Hagar Burns. Good morning

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Speaker 1: to you, Hagar, Good morning, Katie, thanks so much for

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Speaker 1: your time this morning. Now, these police assaults seem to

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Speaker 2: Like this, Yes, Katie, assaulting anyone is unacceptable. Police officers

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Speaker 2: And this type of offending is just absolutely deplorable. You know,

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Speaker 2: And it does take a toll, you know, it affects

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Speaker 1: Look are we seeing an escalation in some of these

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Speaker 2: Well, there has obviously recently just been a spike and

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Speaker 2: Commissioner Martin Dole and Alice Springs said earlier on, we're

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Speaker 3: No, you're certainly not.

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Speaker 1: And you're out there going to, you know, to different

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Speaker 3: Sometimes to go out there and do your jobs.

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Speaker 2: Look, policing is dangerous at times. We go to critical

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and like you said as well, it's not just

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Speaker 1: And we know that it is really like a whole

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Speaker 2: So children made the group of children who did majority

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Speaker 1: Goodness me that I don't even know what the police

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Speaker 1: Decisions, I mean, that must be incredibly frustrating for everybody involved,

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Speaker 3: It's unbelievable that they're out on the streets doing that.

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Speaker 2: So I'm sure there was the younger following the older

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Speaker 2: No, no, it would be, and it would be so

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Speaker 1: then to keep an eye on things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I believe the CCTV that was reviewed would

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Speaker 2: most likely be in and around the area of private residence.

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Speaker 2: And so now we're going to be looking at where

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Speaker 2: can we put our mobile CCTV unit, remembering that it

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Speaker 2: needs to be in an area that's well lit, but

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Speaker 2: also in a public area.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, hager Burns, we really appreciate your time this morning,

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Speaker 1: and I know that it is a busy time for

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Speaker 1: the Territory Police. I think it's it is important that

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Speaker 1: we get to hear from you regularly, from the police

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Speaker 1: regularly as that work is underway. So we really appreciate

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Speaker 1: you coming into the studio on having a chat with

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Speaker 1: us this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 3: That is the acting.

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Speaker 1: Assistant Commissioner there for the greater Darwin and Road Safety

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Speaker 1: and support.

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Speaker 3: Hagar birrd