1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: And Amanda jam Nation. 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 2: She's the woman who's been with us through so many 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 2: stages of our lives, from the awkwardness of puberty to 4 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,239 Speaker 2: the joys and challenges of pregnancy. Her book Up the 5 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 2: Duff was the main book I relied on through my pregnancies. Well, 6 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 2: now Kaz Cook is here to help us cope with 7 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 2: a much misunderstood period excuse the pun of our lives 8 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 2: in her new book called It's the Menopause. So grab 9 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 2: a fan for those hot flushes, ladies, and let's get 10 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: all the tips from the delightful Caz Cook. 11 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 3: Hollo kaz Oh, Good morning, Jonesy and Amanda all, particularly Amanda, 12 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 3: because I feel like you may be more of a 13 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 3: sort of target audience for this kind of book about 14 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 3: the fealthy menopause. 15 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 2: You know, it's funny. We've been doing a few interviews 16 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: lately about our eighteen years together on the radio, and 17 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 2: Jonesy and I used to joke when we first started 18 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 2: about how hilarious it would be if we're still doing 19 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:52,599 Speaker 2: the show when I went through menopause, and we joke 20 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 2: about me coming to work in a brunch coat with 21 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 2: egg down my front. We've gone through it we've come 22 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 2: out the other side. 23 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,959 Speaker 4: We have we have we. The thing is case, I've 24 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 4: got two women in my life. I've got Amanda here 25 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 4: at work. I've got Hell and my wife at home, 26 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 4: both going through menopause at different stages. Because the man 27 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 4: who went through it before Helen and Helen's going through it. 28 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 4: So I feel like I've been going through this menopausal 29 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 4: life for the last. 30 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 2: But we've never talked about before. And isn't it And sorry, 31 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 2: Caz over to you. Do you feel that finally we're 32 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: owning it? 33 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: Oh my god, there's been such a stigma and a 34 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: taboo and don't talk about it. And I mean hundreds 35 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 1: of years ago, they used to say, if the woman 36 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: has a period and she walked past the fruit tree, 37 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: all the fruit would fall off and die because we're poisonous, 38 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 1: you know. Unfortunately, some people haven't come very far, and 39 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: it's still like if it's about periods or it's about 40 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: women's health, you know, people are ashamed to talk about it. 41 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: And there's like hot people talking about hot flushes, and 42 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: they might talk about, you know, not wanting to have 43 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: sex anymore, but there's always other stuff that can happen 44 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: to you There's what I say about the list of 45 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: possible symptoms, you know, more than thirty of them in 46 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: the book, is to show your partner, show the kids 47 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: that you're living with in the house, and talk about it, 48 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: because otherwise nobody knows why mum is furious, you know, 49 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:21,959 Speaker 1: or crying or seeming not to cope and has brain fog. 50 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: And this doesn't happen to everyone. And you won't get 51 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: all the thirty five symptoms, but you might get some 52 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,119 Speaker 1: of them, and you might not even know they're part 53 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: of the menopause. When I first started getting symptoms, I 54 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: just didn't connect it with hormones because I was only 55 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: in my mid forties when I first started, and that 56 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: was years before I got my first hot flush. 57 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 2: So yeah, I just the irrational anger suddenly just have 58 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 2: this anger in your stath. 59 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think. I do think that estrogen might 60 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: stop people from killing their husbands. Yeah, I think it's 61 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: you know, it's but you know, there's all this other 62 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: stuff that I thought you would just periods would just 63 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: stop one day and that would be it. But people 64 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: are getting really heavy, weird periods that last for weeks. 65 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: People are having this crash of confidence that they've got 66 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: dry skin, they've got itchy skin. You know, people just 67 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: aren't putting it all together. And even doctors, you need 68 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 1: a good GP to be able to help you. So 69 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: there's also a list in the book about what to 70 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: ask your doctor because a lot of women are being 71 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: dismissed and told, oh, it's too early, it can't be that, 72 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: or you just have to put up with it. And 73 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,119 Speaker 1: so when they find a good GP who can help 74 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: them decide whether they need medication and what kind and 75 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: what's safe for them, it's like they would have clutched 76 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: onto them like you know, remember that scene in Titanic 77 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: at the end, you know, Yeah, So it can be scary, 78 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: it can go on for years, it can go on. 79 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 2: And also I find that, you know, I'm on hormone 80 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 2: replacement therapy. I'm sixty one, and even some gps say 81 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 2: you shouldn't be on it this long. But then you know, 82 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 2: I've been seeing this amazing gynecologist who said, well, let's 83 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 2: look at your other factors. And you're having mammograms all 84 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 2: the time, and you check this, and you check that 85 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 2: these are your risk factors versus the benefits you'll get 86 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 2: from it. So we've been made to be fearful of 87 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 2: some of the medications as well. 88 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, and some of those old studies about and they're 89 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: calling it now MHT menopause hormone therapy, so it can 90 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: be so confusing. But also that's old information. You know, 91 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: this hormonal medication, it doesn't cause cancer, and you can 92 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 1: stay on it for longer than five years, So a 93 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: lot of the information is twenty years old. That's the 94 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: scary stuff. So that's why you need someone who's up 95 00:04:56,040 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: with the latest information. And that's why I've got both 96 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: lists in the book of what to ask and what 97 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: to check because not everyone can take medications, but there's 98 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: always something that you can try for different things like 99 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,799 Speaker 1: shouting at people that can help. 100 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 4: Okay, and so all getting yourself an amazing gynecologist. Is 101 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 4: that is that a thing? 102 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,679 Speaker 2: Well, that's all saying we don't want to do you don't. 103 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 4: Want to dug guynecologists, do you? 104 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 2: No, we don't make jokes about going to colleges, Brendan. 105 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 2: They're very important part important parts for women's health. Oh Okay, it's. 106 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: True, even a good gp like I'm not saying you 107 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: have to go to a specialist, but you've got to 108 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: be so wary of all this wellness stuff of you know, 109 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: and all these celebrities going, I've got this magnificent menopause, 110 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 1: moisturize it. Well, no you haven't. It's it's got a 111 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: lovely job that costs seventy five dollars. It's ridiculous. 112 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 4: Go to price I can get some Sorberlin cream and 113 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 4: you pay misinformation. Wellcas, it's great. It's your new book. 114 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 4: I like how bookends you got up the duff what 115 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 4: was in the middle teens crazy teens and how much 116 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 4: you hate them and something, and then now it's it's 117 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 4: the men. 118 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, we don't hate the scenes. We 119 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: love them. So the books were called girls, girls stuff, 120 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 1: and they were for the girls themselves. 121 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 3: Yeah. 122 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 1: Yes, life stages and it is this baby never them 123 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: were out. 124 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 2: Well you never know. Kaz will be holding hands for 125 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 2: whatever the next stage is, that's for sure. 126 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, we will. 127 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 4: Thank you for joining us. Check it out.