Speaker 1: Kiday, Peter, Hell, are you here? Welcome to you Ain't
Speaker 1: Seen Nothing Yet? The movie podcast where our chat to
Speaker 1: a movie lover about a classic or beloved movie they
Speaker 1: haven't quite got around to watching until now. And today's
Speaker 1: guest it's actor mate funny bloke Dave Lawson. All below,
Speaker 1: I want to stay here with you. That's the jobble.
Speaker 1: Why hat snake shucked? Why hail couldn't happening right now?
Speaker 1: You ain't seen nothing here? First of all, let me
Speaker 1: just say if you're listening to this thinking, hey, the
Speaker 1: quality is not like it usually is because I'm recording
Speaker 1: this with my head under a blanket in my home
Speaker 1: office on my iPhone. Just this intro. The rest of
Speaker 1: the episode is in the Pristine studios in our iHeartRadio
Speaker 1: headquarters in our Ain't Nothing Yet studio. So bear with me,
Speaker 1: but I want to give our guest today a big
Speaker 1: pump up. He's one of my favorite people to watch
Speaker 1: on the big and small screens. He makes it look
Speaker 1: so effortless. I kind of forget exactly the moment Dave
Speaker 1: Lawson came into my life, but I'm really glad he did.
Speaker 1: We have had now a working relationship which goes back
Speaker 1: many years. He was on my feature film which I
Speaker 1: wrote and starting them and produced, I Love You Too,
Speaker 1: a small role. Lucky to get him. He was a
Speaker 1: waiter in the scene with Brendan cow and even Strahowsky
Speaker 1: and I Love You Too. He also and I'll be
Speaker 1: forever grateful for him, and he debted. He was in
Speaker 1: a short film that I made called Christmas Clay. I
Speaker 1: did this film to see if I could direct and
Speaker 1: if I enjoyed directing. It was Dave Lawson, Sidney Waddingham,
Speaker 1: Dennis cord, Ash Williams, Mark Downey, and Steve Curry. We
Speaker 1: had to get a really great cast and every other
Speaker 1: member of the cast is family, and I'm so glad
Speaker 1: that Dave did it. He played a writer of bombond
Speaker 1: jokes that we deride during Christmas lunches, so he was
Speaker 1: hilarious in that and I forever be appreciative of him
Speaker 1: doing that. He was also in an episode of It's
Speaker 1: a Date with recent Yasney guests Poe and they were
Speaker 1: dynamite together. It was a great episode. Also started myself
Speaker 1: and and Lisa Mchown as well as Deb Lawrence. Funny
Speaker 1: how life Happens, My fellow jungle mate, and Dennis called again.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Dave was great and all those three things.
Speaker 1: He started his screen like Nickelodeon, did a lot of
Speaker 1: kids TV, but is now you know, entrenched in our
Speaker 1: screens on shows like the Utopia, on the big screen,
Speaker 1: in Odd Ball, Peter Rabbit, he was in The Mule,
Speaker 1: great movie The Mule. You haven't seen it, And like
Speaker 1: I said, he's one of my favorite people to watch.
Speaker 1: He also is in the Toyota Rads with his great
Speaker 1: mate Steve Curry, and there's a little bit of history
Speaker 1: about the Toiler Ads that we do get to in
Speaker 1: this episode. Dave also has great news recently. In fact,
Speaker 1: one of the weirdest moments in Lockdown was me turning
Speaker 1: on the Emmys and seeing one of the Jimmy's hosting
Speaker 1: and seeing Dave over his left shoulder because everyone was
Speaker 1: on zoom, and it was a very weird moment for me.
Speaker 1: I later found out that he was. He just was
Speaker 1: in the kind of you know, the stages of dating
Speaker 1: the amazing Sarah Snook who we all know and love.
Speaker 1: In succession, they are now firmly entrenched to have a
Speaker 1: beautiful bub and yeah, we do touch on that Dave's
Speaker 1: you know, being around at the Juggernaut that was succession
Speaker 1: and seeing Sarah go through that. So Davies, like I said,
Speaker 1: he's a complete natural on screen in person, he's a
Speaker 1: such good company, really fun, kind, interested, and I'm bloody
Speaker 1: stoked to be hanging with him today.
Speaker 2: My name is Dave Lawson. My three favorite films are Goonies.
Speaker 1: How Join a Friend you will at the Holiday? You're
Speaker 1: so right, You're supposed to be the leading lady of
Speaker 1: your own life for God's sake? And Super Troopers? Do
Speaker 1: you look like a cat to you? Boy?
Speaker 3: Am I jumping around all boomlea from tree to tree? No?
Speaker 1: No, am I drinking milk from a saucer?
Speaker 2: And up until this week, I'd never the scene Kevin
Speaker 2: Costner in Field of Dreams.
Speaker 1: If you build it, he will come. Hey, Eddie, Eddie,
Speaker 1: what was that?
Speaker 3: What was that?
Speaker 1: That voice? Just now? What was it? You didn't need anything?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: If you builded, he will come. Okay you must have
Speaker 1: heard that.
Speaker 3: Sorry, take money to dinner.
Speaker 1: M Tom Hanks may have screamed their reason not crying
Speaker 1: in Baseball in one of those other Baseball movies, but
Speaker 1: he's obviously never I've seen nineteen eighty nine s Field
Speaker 1: of Dreams, about a post ball Durham pre Dans with wolves,
Speaker 1: Kevin Costner playing Ray Kinsella who hears a voice in
Speaker 1: the corn fields instructing him to build a baseball field
Speaker 1: where ghosts of dead baseball players will soon gather. M
Speaker 1: Ray's under the impression that he's building the baseball field
Speaker 1: for band baseballer shoeless Joe Jackson Raleiota, but he discovers
Speaker 1: he's making it for someone much closer to him. Nominated
Speaker 1: for three Oscars Best Film, Best Adapted Screenplay, Phil Elden Robinson,
Speaker 1: who also directed the film, best scored by James Horner,
Speaker 1: Field of Dreams has been called the Notebook for guys
Speaker 1: source Raleiota, a movie not only about America's favorite pastime,
Speaker 1: but also about father and sons and making amends for
Speaker 1: the past. Dave Lawson have you ever choked on a
Speaker 1: hot dog?
Speaker 4: I haven't, but I do have a dream to enter
Speaker 4: the hot dog eating competition that Cony Island.
Speaker 1: Oh you go up again?
Speaker 2: Joey's Jewls Chestnut take on Joe Chestnut.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love to. He is the gift that
Speaker 1: keeps on giving Joe chestnut each year, Like you think,
Speaker 1: surely he's finished, and he keeps on going.
Speaker 4: No, there's no stopping him competitive eating, because as I
Speaker 4: looked into competitive eating, I thought.
Speaker 2: I said to Sarah, I said, I'd like to go
Speaker 2: into competitive eating. What do you think?
Speaker 4: And she went she sort of took a breath and said,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm not sure if that's what you.
Speaker 1: Really want to do.
Speaker 4: I said, well, maybe I can enter one competition and
Speaker 4: then just to scratch that itch to be a competitive eater,
Speaker 4: because there's a lot around. But I think I do
Speaker 4: party pis. There's not a this is not a what
Speaker 4: would you eat? A podcast? But I reckon I could
Speaker 4: do party pies. Do you think when Sarah said to you,
Speaker 4: is that what you want to do? Do you think
Speaker 4: the subtext was do you think that's what I want
Speaker 4: you to do?
Speaker 1: She's very supportive and there's a line, isn't there? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean speaking of lines, and we'll get to the
Speaker 1: line of like building a baseball pitched into your farm soon.
Speaker 1: But surely there's a line of support, isn't there.
Speaker 4: I think that's right, and I think, you know, look,
Speaker 4: you do it, But I don't know if this is
Speaker 4: the direction I want my I'm not sure I want
Speaker 4: my husband to go into the world of competitive eating
Speaker 4: for health reasons. I think she wants me to be
Speaker 4: round for a little while. But I've never choked on
Speaker 4: a hot dog. But it is a dream of mine.
Speaker 1: It is a dream and to be saved by a
Speaker 1: ghostock that we'll get to that very soon. You chose
Speaker 1: this film's you know? I gave you the list like
Speaker 1: I do most people. Full disclosure, I had never seen
Speaker 1: this film and this has been very high on my
Speaker 1: list to see over the years. I have like pushed this,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe put it in bold on the list,
Speaker 1: and they said, you know, if you haven't seen Field
Speaker 1: of Dreams, I'd love to do that. Few people got
Speaker 1: close to doing it. I was almost going to watch
Speaker 1: it on Father's Day with my kids, but you're run
Speaker 1: out of time. Why did you choose this and what
Speaker 1: did you know about it? Can I be honest?
Speaker 4: I thought I was watching the one with Rosie O'Donnell
Speaker 4: with Madonna song as she used to be my playground.
Speaker 1: A league of their own, which is no crying in baseball.
Speaker 1: That's where that one comes from, right that's where that
Speaker 1: comes from. No crying in baseball.
Speaker 4: I thought I was watching a league of their own,
Speaker 4: but when I looked it up, it's like, damn it,
Speaker 4: I've chosen to Kevin Costner.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad we got that straight before you came in.
Speaker 1: We had one incident with comedian Daniel Connell, who I
Speaker 1: had watched and prepared as agreed to do Lost in Translation.
Speaker 1: He came in after watching Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.
Speaker 1: Couldn't be better, couldn't be better. So I'm glad you
Speaker 1: sent me the photo of you with the bubble on
Speaker 1: the chest. She looked like she was very keen to
Speaker 1: watch Phila Dreams.
Speaker 4: You know, she saw it and it's got a big
Speaker 4: Kevin Costner sort of thumbnail.
Speaker 1: We watched it.
Speaker 4: I think it was on Binge, was one of the
Speaker 4: streaming services you get it on, and she couldn't.
Speaker 1: Take her eyes off him. Well, he's a heart throb.
Speaker 1: He's a heart throb.
Speaker 4: And I've not seen a whole lot of Kevin Costner,
Speaker 4: because I think when Fielder Dreams came out, I would
Speaker 4: have been like eleven.
Speaker 1: So nineteen ninety that comes out, This comes out in
Speaker 1: eighty nine, so how old are you in it? Around
Speaker 1: the eight nine?
Speaker 4: Well year eleven eleven eleven, So I think my first
Speaker 4: first time I came across Kevin Costner was Bodyguard, and
Speaker 4: I saw it at the cinema the morning to Peninsular Cinema
Speaker 4: and loved it. Yeah, yeah, you know, so I'm not
Speaker 4: but a huge Kevin Costner fan, but I was really
Speaker 4: glad I got that I ended up watching this because
Speaker 4: I did have some sense of that I knew it
Speaker 4: was about. I didn't know what it was about actually
Speaker 4: there until Baseball, and I love baseball movies. Major League
Speaker 4: I used to love, which I reckon as a kid,
Speaker 4: would almost be one of my top movies that I
Speaker 4: love to fun film Fun with Charlie Sheen, you know
Speaker 4: really when you.
Speaker 1: Corbyn Burns and Wesley Snipes' right, Tom Beringer, Tom Bringer.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it as the Catcher, Yeah, the old,
Speaker 1: the crusty, leathery catcher, and I love it when he
Speaker 1: takes Wesley Snipes takes to catch like really nonsienantly, and
Speaker 1: he comes back to the dug and the coach says,
Speaker 1: to nice catch me, He's don't ever fucking do it again.
Speaker 1: I said, it was that a grab? How did you
Speaker 1: see that grab up so quickly? The impression was very good.
Speaker 4: So I love baseball films. I think probably when I
Speaker 4: saw Major League would have been in about grade six
Speaker 4: in primary school. So you know, when Charlie Sheen does
Speaker 4: their hairstyle, you put Snart on the ball?
Speaker 1: Is that right to do a curveball? And there's something
Speaker 1: about American sports that seemed to be made for movies,
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm not sure what came first. If American
Speaker 1: sports were designed to fit around the American cinematic esthetic
Speaker 1: or it was a coincidence, probably the latter, but in
Speaker 1: a way that soccer or AFL, even hockey, even though
Speaker 1: they do play a bit of hockey over there. But
Speaker 1: you know the Holy Trinity, baseball, basketball and American football
Speaker 1: all very translatable to the screen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean, especially with basketball, to have that
Speaker 4: last shot where the ball bounces off the ring a
Speaker 4: couple of times and then goes in with attension in that.
Speaker 4: I actually I've got George who loves loves basketball, my sons.
Speaker 2: He's twelve and Celtic ex fand chance no, he goes
Speaker 2: for the Brooklyn.
Speaker 4: The Brooklyn I'm just getting into it myself and really
Speaker 4: enjoying basketball. But I thought, you know, I said, you
Speaker 4: know what, we should watch White men can't jump. And
Speaker 4: it's yeah, there's a little bit going on in that
Speaker 4: that I realized it's not basketball. You know, there's a
Speaker 4: bit just some some sort of bedroom scenes and stuff,
Speaker 4: and you got to explain a little bit that he's
Speaker 4: he's just he's just training there.
Speaker 1: Mate. You can go back to Thay's eighties films as well,
Speaker 1: like Wildcats is one. But you know, I think I'm remembering.
Speaker 1: I think there's a full frontal nude shot of Goldie Horn.
Speaker 4: To watch this film, but but it wasn't bad. It
Speaker 4: was a great movie to and he really enjoyed it.
Speaker 4: And then we watched the new one with Who's there's
Speaker 4: a new young I'm going to sound like I'm a
Speaker 4: forty year old man now that rap the rapper boy,
Speaker 4: the boy he does the rapping, that rapping boy he
Speaker 4: does mc hammer.
Speaker 1: He's a new young rapper his first four into acting.
Speaker 1: It's good. It's good as well. It's so yeah, sports.
Speaker 2: Films they are there are a lot of fun.
Speaker 4: But and also when you get that night time shop
Speaker 4: with the lights on and the blimp of the aerial
Speaker 4: shot of a field. But these are field of dreams
Speaker 4: gone by surprise, because I thought he just built a
Speaker 4: sort of pretty, sort of makeshift baseball field in his
Speaker 4: corn field.
Speaker 1: But it's not. It's it's not it's not like mowing
Speaker 1: that the pitch the cricket pitch in the back.
Speaker 4: It's not as easy as that, like built a baseball field.
Speaker 4: I thought, sure, what, you just mole a little bit
Speaker 4: of the crop out and you know you can have
Speaker 4: a hit. But this is a what would look like
Speaker 4: I suppose professional.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so not big enough to be an actual baseball field.
Speaker 1: Because what they did only a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: they paid an actual MLB, which is the I think
Speaker 1: that's the name of the league. The same two teams
Speaker 1: of White Sox versus the Yankees played an actual game
Speaker 1: on the fields, but they built it still exists. They
Speaker 1: had to build another field next to it, so amongst
Speaker 1: the corn and they built stands and Kevin Costa walks
Speaker 1: out and it's all televised and the drone shots and
Speaker 1: the music's playing, and Kevin Costa is like, you know,
Speaker 1: one of the most impressive things that happened in Australian
Speaker 1: pop culture recently was the finale of Neighbors and Guy
Speaker 1: Peers going back and given everything he had to that
Speaker 1: role as Mike Young, and I've told him that publicly, privately,
Speaker 1: pubably on the project. And like Kevin Costter does a
Speaker 1: very similar thing here. He kind of like he he
Speaker 1: is walking out and he is in the mooment. He
Speaker 1: takes his time, he stops, he looks around, and he
Speaker 1: kind of goes out and gives a bit of a speech.
Speaker 1: But the players following him out from the corn. I'm
Speaker 1: going to watch that happened a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: You set it on YouTube. It is totally there. But
Speaker 1: there is something about American sports, I think, more so
Speaker 1: than most other sports that seem to I think because
Speaker 1: eventually they also get designed around TV as well. Yep,
Speaker 1: so they already they do have that. And I'm not
Speaker 1: sure I don't know those sports well enough to know
Speaker 1: what changes have taken place over the years to kind
Speaker 1: of like what has been to cater for TV and
Speaker 1: what hasn't been. But did you know about the line
Speaker 1: build it and they will come again?
Speaker 4: I was when I heard that, I wondered if that's
Speaker 4: where that line originated from, because it's.
Speaker 2: Quite a famous line, certainly from that if you build it,
Speaker 2: they will come.
Speaker 4: It might have been in Wayne's world at one point,
Speaker 4: if you build it, they will come. From memory, there
Speaker 4: was a you know, a desert, so that's where it
Speaker 4: maybe originated that that if you if.
Speaker 1: You build it, he will come. Yeah, it's fun. We
Speaker 1: all say build it and they will come. But it's
Speaker 1: actually he will come. He will come. Get your pronouns right, everybody.
Speaker 4: So when you hear that and and it gets right
Speaker 4: into it, it doesn't work around this movie.
Speaker 1: It's sort of That's one of the big points I
Speaker 1: want to I want to make about this movie because
Speaker 1: it's an unconventional movie in many ways, like it has
Speaker 1: to be said, a movie that has touched a lot
Speaker 1: of people, Like it's a much loved movie, but there's
Speaker 1: a lot to talk about it. Let's talk about your
Speaker 1: three favorite films before we get into it. The classic
Speaker 1: The Goonies.
Speaker 4: Just Joy loved it, the first movie I saw in
Speaker 4: the cinema, and I saw it in New Orleans when
Speaker 4: I must have been like six, I think, because we'll
Speaker 4: my Mum's Colombian and we're on our way to Colombia,
Speaker 4: and her brother lived in New Orleans, so I remember
Speaker 4: I did not know that.
Speaker 1: No, keep it quiet, Keep it quiet, because I mean
Speaker 1: explains the cocaine addiction.
Speaker 4: It doesn't, but it does surprise people, I think when
Speaker 4: they find that out.
Speaker 1: But we stopped there. We are so sorry. We are
Speaker 1: so used to people having like, you know, like if
Speaker 1: they look a bit like it. Yeah, we look, we
Speaker 1: look similar. Issue were Caucasian that you have an assis
Speaker 1: dadd and you have an azzy mumy inverted commas. You know.
Speaker 1: So as soon as we hear that somebody like Kate
Speaker 1: Lambrook as mother is Jamaican, right, and that kind of
Speaker 1: like blows my mind every time. Yeah, it certainly makes
Speaker 1: you more interesting in my eyes. Right now, Look there
Speaker 1: you go.
Speaker 4: I think as the surname Lawson is well, yeah, it's
Speaker 4: not sort of associated with South America or I think
Speaker 4: also as a kid, I used to probably say instead
Speaker 4: of no, I would go no, because I learned from mum.
Speaker 4: So I think got teased a little bit for people
Speaker 4: go no and I go no no. So I might
Speaker 4: have gone the other way, gone more sort of all right,
Speaker 4: lean into it.
Speaker 1: What was your mother's name, made name, or Madame Neche,
Speaker 1: so you're if you know, she can't even pronounce my name, David,
Speaker 1: she can't say, she can't even say it.
Speaker 4: And my other brother's Matthew. She can't say Matthew. She
Speaker 4: can't say. She can't pronounce her names. So I could
Speaker 4: have been like Alexandro or something else, but I'm not.
Speaker 4: I'm Dave Lawson. So we were stopping on the way
Speaker 4: through to visit, but and we went to the cinema,
Speaker 4: so it would have been one of my first cinema experiences.
Speaker 4: And my cousin, who was older, said, look, there's going
Speaker 4: to be a scary guy on the screen because he'd
Speaker 4: already seen it, so I'll cover your eyes if you
Speaker 4: want to when we see it, but he didn't, So
Speaker 4: for me that was just a formative experience in going
Speaker 4: to a cinema, sort of being overseas for the first time,
Speaker 4: and what a great movie seeing kids on the screen
Speaker 4: as well, because I would I was still quite young,
Speaker 4: so that's why Goony is. But that I would put
Speaker 4: number one interchangeable with time bandits as well, in that
Speaker 4: those two I couldn't move time banders down to two
Speaker 4: or Goonies down to two.
Speaker 1: That's so Time bandits.
Speaker 4: I watched over and over again as a kid, and
Speaker 4: then I've never seen Time band Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1: I do that one again, isn't it. Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great, just great. And you love Time Trouble.
Speaker 1: I mean, Frankie Fish that this wasn't set up either,
Speaker 1: your Trouble author. Yeah, I did love Time Trouble and
Speaker 1: that was inspired by Back to the Future. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what I was in Time Bad.
Speaker 4: I mean a group of thieves going through time to
Speaker 4: steal treasures of through time.
Speaker 1: It's it's yeah, I'm embarrassed and apologize. George Harrison produced
Speaker 1: by him. He might have even written some of them,
Speaker 1: Miss Harrison. George Harrison basically save Life of Brian, didn't
Speaker 1: he like the last minute? He basically invested in that.
Speaker 1: Or there's a story about the way he say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he did have something to do that,
Speaker 2: But that's a Life of Brian's.
Speaker 4: Another one I showed George who was twelve, and then
Speaker 4: there's a full frontal bit of full frontal.
Speaker 1: I mean there's a big gun on in that movie
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 4: You know, I thought he was just because he's you know,
Speaker 4: he's showing an interest in that.
Speaker 1: You know, he likes the comedy and stuff. So I thought,
Speaker 1: let's I watched Rushmore, so I thought, I'm going to
Speaker 1: get Oscar this during lockdown. My youngest is fifteen now
Speaker 1: just turn fifteen, so maybe thirteen. During early lockdown, I thought, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm going to do like Raging Ball and Good Fellows
Speaker 1: with the older boys, and I'm going to give Oscar,
Speaker 1: Wesy Andason experience and starting with Rushmore, which you just
Speaker 1: kind of think of, you know, Jason Schwartzman, the kid
Speaker 1: got a crush on the teacher and all that. A
Speaker 1: lot of references to hand jobs are completely forgotten about.
Speaker 1: You have to explain what that is.
Speaker 4: I remember the first time I have to. My dad
Speaker 4: had to explain maybe what a hand job was. We
Speaker 4: were at the cricket and the crowd started chanting, had
Speaker 4: Lee's a wanker. We're watching New Zealand New Zealand Australia
Speaker 4: and the crowd started had Lee, He's a wanker. And
Speaker 4: I remember guys like, I said, Dad, what's a wanker?
Speaker 4: And everyone sort of turned around, See what how this
Speaker 4: Dad was going to explain to his son what a
Speaker 4: anker was, and I remember I think he said it
Speaker 4: was just someone who plays with the doodle a little
Speaker 4: bit too much.
Speaker 1: She's a great you know, well done it, which is
Speaker 1: a good explanation, well well handled a little. I remember
Speaker 1: once my brother caught me a wanker and I got
Speaker 1: really upset in front of my mom, and my mom
Speaker 1: laughed and I was like, Mom, you don't know what
Speaker 1: a wanker is. It means that I made the hand
Speaker 1: and she goes, I know what is going on?
Speaker 4: Wayne, care because there is a good word. Why are
Speaker 4: we talking about? How's this gone from movies to wanking?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yes, references watching with your kids, explaining but trying to,
Speaker 4: you know, curate a film sort of experience for your
Speaker 4: children when you sort of and and sometimes you go
Speaker 4: it's different to what you remember, or they don't hold up,
Speaker 4: or you've got to pause and go just so you know,
Speaker 4: probably shouldn't be saying that anymore.
Speaker 1: And that's you know, yeah, I completely forgot how much
Speaker 1: Cheri or Morrow swears that photocopia in the castle like
Speaker 1: he really the amount of f bombs he drops? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you think the castles are nice? Easy one to watch
Speaker 1: and then ye know, not Martin the Stasia anyway, the
Speaker 1: lawyer Martin Stadia is his frontline journalist character. But yeah,
Speaker 1: he really goes to town on that Dennis.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's such a great film, and I'll watch
Speaker 4: it again. And there's one I watched with George early
Speaker 4: on and he loves the Goonies two.
Speaker 1: It's just such a great movie. It's a really good one.
Speaker 1: We've got to cover for this. I wasn't directed by
Speaker 1: Stellphn Steven Spielberger, No, it was. Was it Christopher Columbus
Speaker 1: might have been. Yeah, it was one of those guys
Speaker 1: as I think.
Speaker 2: I always thought it was a Spielberg movie.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he was involved in it, no doubt about that.
Speaker 1: But it was. In fact, it was Richard Donner. Actually,
Speaker 1: when I make the leath Weapon films so well played everybody.
Speaker 1: The Holiday is a romantic comedy with Cameron Diaz and
Speaker 1: Jack Black and Kate Winslet and who's the other jud
Speaker 1: Law and Jude Law? Is it a Nancy Efron story?
Speaker 4: I don't know, Actually I don't look. I don't know
Speaker 4: where it came from. I just know every time it's
Speaker 4: on TV watching it, Yeah, it's on if it's on TV.
Speaker 1: I've tried to watch it a couple of times and
Speaker 1: I haven't been a breakthrough. I can't break through. I
Speaker 1: don't know what. Look, I love rom coms, and so
Speaker 1: do I.
Speaker 2: I love Oh, you've written a rom com.
Speaker 1: You were in that wrong com? That's right? You know
Speaker 1: I was a pivotal I think I was described as
Speaker 1: the pivotal moment in that movie. I was the waiter.
Speaker 1: You're the waiter, and that's what it was. It was
Speaker 1: a turning point, that was, you know, that's when ever
Speaker 1: turned south, and that was I was offered that role.
Speaker 1: I did an audition for that are the other waiters?
Speaker 1: Waiter number one?
Speaker 4: And I think I said something like, how's everything? Can
Speaker 4: I get you anything? Or something like that. Acting alongside
Speaker 4: Brendan cow and Yvonne Strowsky and Peter English.
Speaker 1: And Petered English work for some big names, haven't I.
Speaker 1: Rose Byrne was in that movie. Not in your scenes,
Speaker 1: that's right. You know what.
Speaker 2: The second time we work with rose Byrn Peter.
Speaker 1: Rabbit, You're on Peter Rabbit as well.
Speaker 2: I'm the hardware guy.
Speaker 1: I must say I couldn't be a bigger fan of
Speaker 1: rose Bene fact, I'm watching Physical at the moment. If
Speaker 1: you haven't wached Physical on Apple class bloody extraordinary film
Speaker 1: and one of the great extraordinary performances I've seen.
Speaker 4: For me, Tea what she's on some TV commercials at
Speaker 4: the moment. They were on last night with her husband.
Speaker 4: Is it Roby kind of Valley?
Speaker 1: That both in them?
Speaker 4: It's for like Domain Holmes or something like that, and
Speaker 4: she's really good in them. It's like, wow, and that
Speaker 4: is a challenge to be good in the domain Homer
Speaker 4: American and you go, actually almost you wanted When one came,
Speaker 4: I went, I've not seen those ads for the first
Speaker 4: time last night, I was like, how was that last?
Speaker 4: Rose Burn selling an app for selling homes? But very good,
Speaker 4: but she's she's great, So yeah, look, I worked with Rose.
Speaker 1: A lot of I call it have no idea who
Speaker 1: I am. I work with Rose quite a bit. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's as hardware or wait a guy and a lot
Speaker 1: of the characters don't have an actual name in my movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was just wow. I just got to the point
Speaker 1: where it's like, doesn't matter, it doesn't ib for people,
Speaker 1: like do you know when you look at it? If
Speaker 1: I hadn't that your Colombian I would have actually given
Speaker 1: you your Colombian surname as you know, respect to your mother. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the Holidays are kind of house swapping kind of arrangement,
Speaker 1: isn't it. And it's Nancy Meyers not not No Efron.
Speaker 4: Right, Okay, they're both going through, you know, times in
Speaker 4: their life. They decided to swap.
Speaker 1: Kate Winslet and I can't remember what she does, but
Speaker 1: she's from English actress. She's an ackloss.
Speaker 4: But in the movie, and they's top Howerses and they
Speaker 4: fall in love and it's great. It's got England in
Speaker 4: the snow during Christmas and Los Angeles and Jack Black's
Speaker 4: playing a bit of a straighter role. But it's one
Speaker 4: of those movies. If it comes on TV, I go, oh,
Speaker 4: great the Holidays on?
Speaker 1: Is there a part of it? Like? And I love
Speaker 1: Jack Blake. I remember seeing the first time I saw
Speaker 1: Jack Blake was in Bob roberts and or maybe even
Speaker 1: a Cable Guy. Know it's Bob robertson and then he's
Speaker 1: in the Cable Guy. I really love him. And I'm
Speaker 1: not sure if it was my feeling or if I've
Speaker 1: kind of got this from my vibe and what people
Speaker 1: have said about the holiday. Does he fit into that movie?
Speaker 1: He does? But do you have to buy that? Is
Speaker 1: it Cameron Diaz? Who he is? The interest Kate.
Speaker 4: Wins Kate Winsley, So she moves into Cameron Diaz's house
Speaker 4: in Los Angeles. She's a big time movie trailer editor
Speaker 4: and she's got a huge house with the pool, the
Speaker 4: blackout blinds that come down automatically, and Jack Black lives
Speaker 4: next door and he might be a composer.
Speaker 2: So when Kate Winsley comes there, you know, she falls for.
Speaker 1: The sort of he's a bit of a sort of quirky,
Speaker 1: quirky and for the quirky doofus in all of us,
Speaker 1: it's you go, well, you know, good on him, good
Speaker 1: on him. Then they will fall in love and sort
Speaker 1: of it's happily ever after. It's is it Christmas movie?
Speaker 1: It's Christmas movie? I'd say, yeah, yeah, yeah, so that's that. Look.
Speaker 4: The reason I put that there is because I do
Speaker 4: know that every time it's on to you because I
Speaker 4: love a rom comment.
Speaker 1: I needed a rom com in my top three. Is
Speaker 1: it your comfort movie? It's my comfort movie? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 2: If I was sick on the couch and the holiday
Speaker 2: came on.
Speaker 1: That would be my heaven. Yeah, Okay, I'm going to
Speaker 1: force my way through it. Yeah, try it.
Speaker 2: It's got to you gotta be in the right mood.
Speaker 2: It's got to be you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's almost lying in bed movie. It's lying
Speaker 1: in bed. Even watch it on the laptop. Do you
Speaker 1: watch movies on your laptop? Not a lot. And if
Speaker 1: I have to, if I'm in a hotel and I
Speaker 1: can't work out habit, cromcast works. Yeah, right, gotcha.
Speaker 4: So that that's there as my rom com because I
Speaker 4: needed a rom comm in my top three because I
Speaker 4: love rom coms and Superstribe is not a rom com.
Speaker 4: Super Trope is not a rom com. That was the movie.
Speaker 4: I think I've watched another one of those that it
Speaker 4: was in, just it's more for where I was in
Speaker 4: the experience of watching it. Moved into my really my
Speaker 4: first share house, and it was one of those movies
Speaker 4: we just loved watching. After a few beers or whatever
Speaker 4: you have when you're a teenager, when you're in your
Speaker 4: early twenties, to put on super Troopers, it's kind of
Speaker 4: a sort of I suppose it's a bit of a
Speaker 4: Stoner movie with Brian Cox who.
Speaker 1: Plays the chief.
Speaker 4: He plays the chief of police in that, and it's
Speaker 4: kind of the guys from maybe those Kids in the Hall.
Speaker 4: It's Canadian. I think it's maybe the Canadian. Yeah, were
Speaker 4: people involved in that that were.
Speaker 1: Is it? David? It's those strange not strange with candy comedians. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the whole Canadian. Canadian cooks, Canadian cooks, Canadian cooks.
Speaker 1: Did you mention, because you've spent time around the Succession production,
Speaker 1: did you mention the Brian Cox that you you were
Speaker 1: a super Tripers fan.
Speaker 4: It took me a while because he is a because
Speaker 4: he's such a he's a Shakespearean actor and he's very
Speaker 4: serious and.
Speaker 1: Actation when he plays like McKee where he plays like
Speaker 1: Robert McKee like that, you know, they and he's doing
Speaker 1: the lectures, right, Charlie Chaffman goes to the lectures and
Speaker 1: he's just like an angry kind of like, you know,
Speaker 1: Brian Cox, that's that really well obviously, but he's intimidating. Well,
Speaker 1: it's one of those.
Speaker 4: Because it took me a little, It wasn't the first
Speaker 4: thing I wanted to say to him, like lovely to
Speaker 4: meet you, by the way.
Speaker 1: Super Troopers such a good movie.
Speaker 4: I did eventually say, look, be mean to say for
Speaker 4: a while that I Supertrooper is one of my favorite movies,
Speaker 4: and he said it's one of his too. He loved
Speaker 4: it because just really had a good time making it,
Speaker 4: because it's so so stupid.
Speaker 1: Well it must be, you know, And this will probably
Speaker 1: bring us to the film we're going to talk about
Speaker 1: in a second. But it must be satisfying when you
Speaker 1: on set making a film where you're thinking this is
Speaker 1: a bit bonkers, and then it finds an audience that
Speaker 1: must come with a certain kind of adrenaline rush, or
Speaker 1: at least, if not adrenaline rush, long standing feeling of
Speaker 1: fondness for that movie because you know, you either whether
Speaker 1: you're jobbing acting you're just taking a role because that's
Speaker 1: the job you can get, or if you are like
Speaker 1: one of the leads and you have decided to back
Speaker 1: this film in because you think it actually could be something.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I can I can see them that it
Speaker 1: might be. It's like me with I Love You Too,
Speaker 1: the movie I Love You Too. I read the script
Speaker 1: and I went, I don't know, girl, but the waight up?
Speaker 1: But can I do anything with this rock and I did.
Speaker 1: I think I did, But yeah, I think it's it was.
Speaker 1: It was a nervous moment to sort of mean Gales
Speaker 1: in that movie as well, Gale off the list Traffic Man.
Speaker 4: When you realize when I go through my resume and
Speaker 4: work with some of the names of Hamish Blake, jeez me,
Speaker 4: you were in it, best mates.
Speaker 1: It was. It was let's move on because there's more
Speaker 1: names to discuss. But I love you too, very soon.
Speaker 1: But let's talk about the movie. We are here to
Speaker 1: talk about. It's a nine and eighty nine. It is
Speaker 1: a much loved film, like American Man and also Australian Man.
Speaker 1: It was a hit out here. It was hit in
Speaker 1: the UK, despite baseball films sometimes struggling the final audience internationally.
Speaker 1: Field of Dreams, Kevin Costner, James L. Jones, Darth Vader himself.
Speaker 1: Who else is in there? We've got Ray Liotta, of course,
Speaker 1: the great late Ray Liotta. We also have Amy Madigan
Speaker 1: is in the Timothy Bustfield later scene in the West Wing,
Speaker 1: Gabby Hoffman lady sitting in the series Girls and it
Speaker 1: was fantastic in the Jaquin Phoenix film, Come On come on,
Speaker 1: who's Gabby Hoffman gz little Girl? Oh yeah, right, Haley
Speaker 1: dies on the hot dog Frank Waley, Bert Lancaster of course,
Speaker 1: a great cast. Dave Lawson, did you enjoy nine and
Speaker 1: eighty nine's Field of Dreams?
Speaker 2: You know, I loved it. I really did enjoy it,
Speaker 2: and I was in the right space to watch it.
Speaker 4: The baby had gone to sleep, so sitting there watching
Speaker 4: the Telly with us all and we all sat down
Speaker 4: and watched it and got to watch it without any
Speaker 4: interruptions as well.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I had no idea what it was about,
Speaker 2: but I did.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's one of those throughout this movie we
Speaker 4: were saying, could you get this movie made today? If
Speaker 4: you went and said, here's the pitch, guy gets spoken
Speaker 4: to out of the corn says if you build it,
Speaker 4: he will come. And then he builds a baseball field
Speaker 4: for ghosts.
Speaker 2: You know players past. Do you think they would have gone?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yes, like I again, So first time I've seen it,
Speaker 1: and I've always wanted to see it, had a Vitalugan
Speaker 1: reaction to it. Right, there are things I like about
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to dismiss how people because people,
Speaker 1: you know, watch this I think if you've got like
Speaker 1: if you lost your father, you know, at a young
Speaker 1: age or something, or even if he's no wrong with
Speaker 1: us anymore, I can imagine this movie like the moment
Speaker 1: at the end, which you'll get to later, like does
Speaker 1: so much of the work, I think. But you mentioned
Speaker 1: earlier about how quickly they get into it, and it
Speaker 1: is astonishing so that you start off with this kind
Speaker 1: of catch up voice over which we learned about the
Speaker 1: dad and he went to war and he came and
Speaker 1: came back and baseball and you know, and that was
Speaker 1: a connection between the father and the son, and the
Speaker 1: mother had died so shoeless Joe Raleot and then they
Speaker 1: had a falling out. We kind of learned about that
Speaker 1: later on. We kind of had the during this setup,
Speaker 1: we kind of he went off the university. He basically
Speaker 1: he springsteening his way out of it. He wanted to
Speaker 1: get us far away from his dad because he's young
Speaker 1: and the sixties, yes, the sixties, And he went in
Speaker 1: March and he smoked we and then he meets his
Speaker 1: his wife, she never meets his father. They have the baby,
Speaker 1: which becomes younger Karen Gabbie Hoffman Dog Girl near tragedy.
Speaker 1: We'll get to that soon. And then, because Alice is
Speaker 1: from Iowa, she convinces Kevin Costner Ray to become a farmer.
Speaker 1: So he has this line saying, you know, I'm thirty eight,
Speaker 1: i love my family, i love baseball, I've never done
Speaker 1: anything crazy in my life, and I've become a farmer
Speaker 1: for the first time something like that. So for me,
Speaker 1: that's just all catch up stuff. That's just like history,
Speaker 1: and that should bring us to page one really like.
Speaker 1: And then we go into the scene we heard before
Speaker 1: about building and there he shocked it. That happened so quickly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was because I mean, you've got this idyllic
Speaker 4: sort of farmhouse and it looks beautiful. You know, the
Speaker 4: crop is green. You go, this might actually work out
Speaker 4: for him. He did not a farmer, but I reckon,
Speaker 4: and he looks like he might be a bit of
Speaker 4: a farmer. You know, he suits the farmer wardrobe. Kevin
Speaker 4: Costla looks good in a sort of you know, in
Speaker 4: a Levi five oh one and a loose shirt.
Speaker 2: But then yeah, he's out there in the field looking
Speaker 2: out and you go, the crops are going well.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, you hear. If you
Speaker 1: build it, he will come.
Speaker 4: And so he thinks, am I hearing things? Is the
Speaker 4: highway playing tricks on me on what's going on, and
Speaker 4: yells out to his wife and.
Speaker 1: Says, did you hear that? And we hear that?
Speaker 4: And they clip there no one can hear anything. But
Speaker 4: what also surprised me is that we're in it really quickly.
Speaker 4: But he doesn't sort of go I might be going
Speaker 4: crazy o and mentions his wife. He goes to her
Speaker 4: and says, I think I'm hearing things.
Speaker 1: You know, I sincerely wrote down Why does he tell
Speaker 1: his wife? Now? I can imagine in real life if
Speaker 1: that was happening, you might say, listen, I heard these things.
Speaker 1: But from a movie point of view, I would have
Speaker 1: liked to seen him struggle with that a bit more.
Speaker 1: I also would have liked there's a you know expression,
Speaker 1: show don't tell so you know? So we want to
Speaker 1: see things as opposed to being told them, and they
Speaker 1: tell us. They don't really show us in that opening package,
Speaker 1: they tell us everything. I would like to have seen
Speaker 1: him a bit before, and I'd love to know if
Speaker 1: there were some scenes that were cut. I think this
Speaker 1: is a film. We talked about film's been too long
Speaker 1: in these days. I think this is a film that
Speaker 1: needs another twenty minutes. It's too short. It's too short.
Speaker 1: It does run I think one hundred and forty, so
Speaker 1: like or maybe just needs maybe lose that meeting, that
Speaker 1: town meeting scenes that the Simpsons. I just feel like
Speaker 1: I wanted to kind of see his relationship because he says,
Speaker 1: I've never taken a risk in my life, but the
Speaker 1: idea is risk adverse. But in that opening package, it's
Speaker 1: nothing that suggests that he's risk averse. In that package,
Speaker 1: he smokes weed, he goes to the marches, you know,
Speaker 1: which some people would see, is you kind of you know,
Speaker 1: potentially a risky thing to do, like paint the picture
Speaker 1: of him being risk averse, so the stakes are higher
Speaker 1: when he actually does build this. And also later on
Speaker 1: we find out why he was I know they do
Speaker 1: saying in the opening package that he moved as far
Speaker 1: as his father as he can. But that's just one line,
Speaker 1: Like I would have liked to have seen, you know,
Speaker 1: put some flashbacks, maybe that moment of him saying what
Speaker 1: he said to his dad, which was I could never
Speaker 1: respect anybody whose hero was a criminal, which in regards
Speaker 1: as shoeless shoe Joe Jackson. Yeah, was fixing games, fixing
Speaker 1: games and true story. There's some nice touches in it
Speaker 1: when they talk about the lights and that the owners
Speaker 1: worked out they could get more people in, and he says,
Speaker 1: damn owners, or the equivalent now of having falling out
Speaker 1: with your dad because someone was fixing like because David
Speaker 1: Warner was a bit of a Johnny Best defending Johnny
Speaker 1: Bearst or he was defending Johnny Bears. I won't talk
Speaker 1: to you again. You've done it seems to be. And
Speaker 1: I think what they're trying to say is he was young.
Speaker 1: I think he's you know, I was seventeen or however
Speaker 1: he was so a lot of it was just that
Speaker 1: kind of inbuilt father son. You know, the mother had
Speaker 1: died early, so he would have had the father in
Speaker 1: his life, maybe been overprotective or working so hard that
Speaker 1: he didn't see much. Whatever it was. So in small town.
Speaker 1: I can kind of understand that he wanted the bust
Speaker 1: out and then maybe kind of realized he was not
Speaker 1: gonna have as much time as he is from World
Speaker 1: War Two. Yeah, I think there's a lot of interesting
Speaker 1: stuff you could have actually shown us, and I thought
Speaker 1: they kind of flipped over, and you know, even I mean,
Speaker 1: this is maybe a hacky way of doing it, But
Speaker 1: having a scene where it's the anniversary of his father's
Speaker 1: death and at the gravestone or something like that's a
Speaker 1: hackey version of it. That's the ship version out loud.
Speaker 1: But I just think I would have I wanted to
Speaker 1: see him struggle a bit more. And then when he
Speaker 1: has these voices, it's like it's the most normal thing
Speaker 1: that could pass happened. It's true, like it really is,
Speaker 1: Like he questions it was there a radio one with
Speaker 1: the kids, there's a hill way and then no, and
Speaker 1: it's just like okay, And then now I think I
Speaker 1: need to build a baseball And she's so supportive, like
Speaker 1: she's a wise cracking kind of and I like the
Speaker 1: fact that she's not necessarily playing a nagging wife. I
Speaker 1: think that's very good. But I think it's the movie
Speaker 1: suffers as a result a little bit. You could have
Speaker 1: maybe had it both ways. Like she comes from out
Speaker 1: to the idea really quickly, like she's the one who
Speaker 1: obviously knows about the farming. She's from Iowa. It was
Speaker 1: her idea to go into it, she brings it up
Speaker 1: eventually that they're running out of money. She must have
Speaker 1: foreseen this, she must have known this is going to
Speaker 1: cost money.
Speaker 4: Maybe it was just like scratch of rich. Maybe it's
Speaker 4: like enter that eating competition. In the moment, just look
Speaker 4: taking Joey chestnut. Taking joe look, mow the field, you know,
Speaker 4: and we'll see if it works, then may we'll get
Speaker 4: over it and put crops back on it. Because it's
Speaker 4: a lot you know that she takes a lot of
Speaker 4: valuable crop land.
Speaker 1: She thought he wasn't going to do that good of job,
Speaker 1: Like it was just going to be like like we
Speaker 1: said before, lace and pillows down as basis, put a
Speaker 1: bit of dirt as a mound, and then you rig
Speaker 1: up the full light system. It's you know, the full
Speaker 1: lights was overkill. There's a lot of lives there too.
Speaker 4: And I was thinking that's a lot of electricity like
Speaker 4: the but obviously the rates per killer what wouldn't have
Speaker 4: been as expensive as are these days.
Speaker 1: But every returned those lights and I was going to
Speaker 1: get that, and he's destroyed half his crops, Like I'm
Speaker 1: not sure how corn works that gets sold or I
Speaker 1: don't think it didn't look like I had any head
Speaker 1: of corn on it. Yeah it is now didn't have
Speaker 1: any cops and the cops. There's no Cobs. I don't
Speaker 1: think the cops. I couldn't see cops, No ty Cobs.
Speaker 1: And that's where type COB's name comes from. No ty
Speaker 1: Cobb famously.
Speaker 2: So I think it was ready to go, but he
Speaker 2: had to build this field.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 4: I think that was like he had to answer these
Speaker 4: voices in his head.
Speaker 1: So I just like this character just doesn't go on
Speaker 1: the much of a June for me. He doesn't start it.
Speaker 1: Everybody gets the rock bottom. It kind of floats through it,
Speaker 1: and he's allowed to float through it. The only person
Speaker 1: offering any resistance or raising the stakes is that he's
Speaker 1: a brother in law who's kind of putting pressure about
Speaker 1: the farm. And I just think, with a bit more
Speaker 1: and it's not a sound there's things I really like
Speaker 1: about the film, and I can understand why people connected
Speaker 1: with it, and then we'll get to the stuff that
Speaker 1: I like soon. But I just kind of think with
Speaker 1: some more investment at the start into us understanding and
Speaker 1: maybe seeing maybe young Ray with his father when that
Speaker 1: moment came later and obviously I'm probably wrong because it
Speaker 1: hits home for a lot of people. But for me,
Speaker 1: I wanted that moment to hit me in the guts
Speaker 1: a little bit, and I just it didn't really. I
Speaker 1: liked it. I admired it.
Speaker 4: I think if you watch it on Father's Day, maybe
Speaker 4: it had a little bit more. It's a real Father's
Speaker 4: Day movie, it really is. And I was going to
Speaker 4: watch it on Father's Day and we ran out of time.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I would love Annie to kind of question
Speaker 4: a bit more like Karen. The young girl is the
Speaker 4: only one who really she says, are you a ghost?
Speaker 4: She just comes out with it. You can't say that
Speaker 4: to a ghost. It's just kind of well that's their
Speaker 4: response is like, hey, well it's okay. But the other
Speaker 4: people who do question is the townsfolk going yeah, well yeah,
Speaker 4: the littlepool, little build a baseball field and he's you
Speaker 4: know the town you know, he's nuts. Yeah, this in
Speaker 4: the town meeting. You're talking about Sims the town meeting.
Speaker 2: Well, your husband's a nut.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and let's talk about the town meeting. Because I mean, like,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if that was time well spent, to
Speaker 1: be honest, because you have to introduce you got to
Speaker 1: induce the idea of Terrence Man, who is the author,
Speaker 1: who was a celebrated author, fictitious but celebrated during the
Speaker 1: sixties amongst the camic culture crew, and then basically has
Speaker 1: gotten sick of people hanging off his every word and
Speaker 1: looking for him to be the leader. He wants them
Speaker 1: to go and start thinking for themselves. Sick of conspiracy theorists,
Speaker 1: they stept away. Apparently based on J. D. Salinger. He's
Speaker 1: become a recluse, so you do need to introduce him
Speaker 1: just like It's just it's almost too comical. Like sometimes
Speaker 1: I think this movie is caught between being a comedy
Speaker 1: and the drama is not and you can easily put
Speaker 1: a foot in both camps. But I'm not sure sometimes
Speaker 1: if they look like this felt too silly for me.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the ghost baseball is You've got to
Speaker 1: just let yourself go along with it, go along for
Speaker 1: the ride, and so okay. The other thing that bothers
Speaker 1: me a little bit about this film is I don't
Speaker 1: think the rules of their world are set up particularly well.
Speaker 1: Why why do some see the ghosts and why can't others?
Speaker 1: Is it because they simply they believe in it.
Speaker 4: They don't explain it. That's why I'm not sure if
Speaker 4: the ghosts are there. And then you know, well, if
Speaker 4: you jump, jump around, jump, if you jump to the end,
Speaker 4: this is the sort of you build it, they will come.
Speaker 4: And then eventually you go, well, there's lines of cars
Speaker 4: wanting to you know, this is is that line of cars.
Speaker 4: The shot pulls out, and you know it looks like
Speaker 4: he might save the field, after all, keep his baseball
Speaker 4: field by selling tickets. When they get there, are these
Speaker 4: people going to go, hang on, I'm not seeing the
Speaker 4: ghost baseball.
Speaker 1: This is a baseball field.
Speaker 4: But there's also they might just want to sit there
Speaker 4: and enjoy the serenity of the of the baseball field
Speaker 4: amongst the.
Speaker 1: Corn and it is a beautiful like it is beautiful
Speaker 1: to look at, like to the point where the last
Speaker 1: scene of the movie. I think it obviously works. And
Speaker 1: for me, it didn't hit me in the guts as
Speaker 1: much as I would like it too, But it works,
Speaker 1: and I think all the elements of production have come
Speaker 1: together to make this moment work. I think the lighting
Speaker 1: is beautiful. I think if you put that scene with
Speaker 1: the father and son and let's let's have a listen,
Speaker 1: polities are jumping around as much as we usually do
Speaker 1: to the end, but I think that's my fault. No, no, no.
Speaker 1: Sometimes people like to go to the end, but then
Speaker 1: I direct them back. But I'm happy to do it
Speaker 1: because I think I think once you discuss the end,
Speaker 1: we can kind of open up and talk about other
Speaker 1: moments of the movie. But let's have a listen very big.
Speaker 1: I guess the equivalent in Australia would be playing, you know,
Speaker 1: having hit a cricket with him that in the driveway,
Speaker 1: or playing kick the kick in AUSI rules the idea
Speaker 1: of playing catch with your dad's a very kind of
Speaker 1: father and son bonding thing to do. So this is
Speaker 1: Ray and his dad, ghost Dad at the end of
Speaker 1: the Field of Dreams. Can I ask you something? M
Speaker 1: is is this heaven? Mm hmm it's Iowa, Iowa, Yeah,
Speaker 1: m hm, whe it was her? M hm.
Speaker 6: Is is there a heaven?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's the place dreams come true?
Speaker 5: M h.
Speaker 6: Maybe this is Heppen?
Speaker 1: Can I lack.
Speaker 3: A night? John?
Speaker 1: Hey, Dad, are you gonna have a catch? I'd like that.
Speaker 1: So the music is extraordinary. It's James Horner. It's just amazing.
Speaker 1: The aesthetic of which we've spoken about the corn fields.
Speaker 1: It just looks. It is stuff of dreams. It's the light.
Speaker 1: There's a reason they shot it, shot it what they
Speaker 1: call it the gold Golden Hour. The performances are obviously amazing,
Speaker 1: and the actor who played Dwy Brown played John Kinsella.
Speaker 1: His father had just passed away and he like, literally,
Speaker 1: I think, flew in from the funeral to shoot this scene.
Speaker 1: So that added you know, you never know what things
Speaker 1: go into making a scene and what gives it, you know,
Speaker 1: the extra thing. There's also a weird thing where not
Speaker 1: weird that he calls him dad and ghost that doesn't react.
Speaker 4: Because he goes to introduce him to his family and
Speaker 4: he goes, this is my this is John. Doesn't he
Speaker 4: pulls himself back. I'm saying, there's my dad.
Speaker 1: I think what I thought about this is because they're
Speaker 1: the same age. Him and his dad are the same age.
Speaker 4: He's playing catch with each other, and that's what made
Speaker 4: me think is like, I would love to join up
Speaker 4: with my dad at the same age one day, just
Speaker 4: to go what are you like? Because you know your
Speaker 4: dad is always sort of yeah, an older figure and
Speaker 4: sort of you know, you look up to them or
Speaker 4: or whatever I mean, I do, But I did think, oh,
Speaker 4: what would it be like to go if me and
Speaker 4: dad could meet in our sort of twenties, And you
Speaker 4: know see what That's what sort of got me sort
Speaker 4: of a bit choked up to go, oh, never will
Speaker 4: never be the same age as you know, I'll although
Speaker 4: you sort of were close, you both become sort of
Speaker 4: when you start to have a family. That's where you've
Speaker 4: got some other things in common. But that's what got
Speaker 4: me about that moment, is like, oh, he got to
Speaker 4: make amends with his dad, Yeah, but also sort of
Speaker 4: see each other for who they kind of are.
Speaker 1: And I love the idea that they did have that
Speaker 1: moment of being able to make amends. And I guess
Speaker 1: why my rants earlier are really about beefing that story
Speaker 1: up earlier, really planning it with more emotion from the start.
Speaker 1: So we kind of see that weight on him when
Speaker 1: he says all that stuff about you know, I'm getting yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to do something, you know, I want to
Speaker 1: take a risk. My dad never took a risk. I
Speaker 1: just don't think any of that stuff is earned. You're
Speaker 1: writing a screen, but you talk about earning moments and
Speaker 1: I think there's too many shortcuts in this movie. And
Speaker 1: that's why I say I think the end works because
Speaker 1: of the amazing production. It's, you know, everything, all the
Speaker 1: elements of what goes into good movie making are their
Speaker 1: and my restruction design is great, isn't it. It's brilliant. Yeah.
Speaker 1: In the movie for the field, that the house, the Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what we see a lot of it is set
Speaker 1: in that field with that house there too. But then
Speaker 1: the ghosts don't come straight away to his field. There's
Speaker 1: a winter passes and a Christmas. They have a montage
Speaker 1: of the field under snow. See I think I ever
Speaker 1: missed that, like because they have a montage. He's sort
Speaker 1: of the snow. There's snow on the field. No one's coming,
Speaker 1: No one's coming, right, No one's coming. And then I
Speaker 1: think there's a look, what are we doing with this field?
Speaker 1: Because and then that's when the daughter goes, hey, Dad,
Speaker 1: there's a man in which is a great movie trope,
Speaker 1: isn't it. If a kid interrupts an important mom and
Speaker 1: dad discussion three times? She's got something important that we've
Speaker 1: got to talk about.
Speaker 4: We've got to talk about this corn field, Yeah, Dad, Dad,
Speaker 4: Hang on hang on, baby, Dad, but we're talking about
Speaker 4: losing the fields.
Speaker 1: And then please, okay, shut the fuck up. But there
Speaker 1: was a man in the field, in the field, that's
Speaker 1: when he goes. And then you know, he looks out
Speaker 1: the window.
Speaker 4: He goes, Okay, there's a man wearing a baseball outfit,
Speaker 4: obviously a vintage baseball outfit.
Speaker 1: And even then, even then, the reaction of Annie is
Speaker 1: to say, I'll go put on a cup of coffee.
Speaker 1: Why don't you go out? There's got to be a
Speaker 1: better line, I think, to kind of convey the majesty
Speaker 1: of that moment, even as simple as something I was
Speaker 1: just trying to think, like it could be something like
Speaker 1: you go, he's waiting for you. That's a much better
Speaker 1: line than put a cup of coffee on? Won't you
Speaker 1: go out?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very casual. It's like, I mean, he goes
Speaker 4: out and walks and chats to rate this and I
Speaker 4: love the dialogue between shoeless Joe and Ray. I think
Speaker 4: I think it's shoeless Joe. He's a bit of a
Speaker 4: dick to start with, Like as far he's building this
Speaker 4: field and he's like, yeah, he just does knocking balls
Speaker 4: into the corner it's like, you're.
Speaker 1: Not going to get it, mate. I do like, I
Speaker 1: do like the changing customers performance when he comes a
Speaker 1: bit giddy, like is a bit awe struck. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that's love pitching. I love the fact that he
Speaker 1: sucks up his first hit. Well that's why I thought,
Speaker 1: I thought, oh god, he can't even play baseball. But
Speaker 1: when he when he connects with one, Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: wonder if that was you know, he just fuck it
Speaker 1: one up and they use that one. I think it's
Speaker 1: nice when shoutless Joe starts hitting and he hits one
Speaker 1: towards almost straight straight back.
Speaker 2: He says, he says, let's see if you can hit
Speaker 2: my curveball.
Speaker 1: Not a good thing to say to shoeless Joe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that was that was a happy accident happened on set.
Speaker 1: So that was yeah. Yeah, So I I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying at all that last thcene doesn't work. In fact,
Speaker 1: I'm saying it works despite I think some of the flaws.
Speaker 1: So I felt a little bit I didn't get I
Speaker 1: didn't get miss the yard or anything, which I was
Speaker 1: expecting to because I also have a very like this.
Speaker 1: The themes of this movie really speak to me as
Speaker 1: far as my dad and I had the pleasure of
Speaker 1: doing in the honor of doing an episode of who
Speaker 1: Do You Think You Are? On SBS where they trace
Speaker 1: your family tree, and a lot of it came the
Speaker 1: connection through football if a Football was a big part
Speaker 1: of it. And I go to the football every week
Speaker 1: with my dad and my brother and my kids and
Speaker 1: my nephew and my sister, and it's really built into
Speaker 1: the fabric of our relationship, always has been. It's been
Speaker 1: the easiest thing for us to talk about over the
Speaker 1: years as football, particularly Collingwood. So this movie should be
Speaker 1: riding my hitting zone. And I wish there was a
Speaker 1: slightly better version of it than I could actually really love.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I liked it and I actually watched
Speaker 1: it a couple of times and yeah, I just I.
Speaker 2: Just does it have remake written all over it?
Speaker 1: Well? I think it could be remade. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: love Aaron Sorkan or somebody to have a crack at it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I just want to. I mean, the trouble is,
Speaker 1: it is all about the end, and we know it's coming.
Speaker 1: You can't change the ending, so that's the issue. You
Speaker 1: might have to wait maybe another twenty years, thirty years
Speaker 1: and then remake it. Who knows what com movies they'll
Speaker 1: be making they'll be making then. But yeah, let's talk
Speaker 1: about Terrence Terrence Man James l Giants James, who apparently
Speaker 1: hates baseball, gives one of the great baseball speeches which
Speaker 1: we'll listen to in a sect but apparently in real
Speaker 1: life hates baseball. So yeah, he's introduced through this meeting,
Speaker 1: this town meeting, which yeah, there's it becomes this nazi
Speaker 1: Eva Braun kind of earned the books. You burn the books,
Speaker 1: you know, into America. How great America. It's a bit
Speaker 1: uncomfortable to watch, I felt. And he's having a win
Speaker 1: whether you you know, like the American flag waving and
Speaker 1: the Bill of Riots and Constitution. Yeah, we're American. And
Speaker 1: she's having a win, and she's won over a tough crowd.
Speaker 1: You'd have to say they were a tough crowd. They
Speaker 1: went on her side, and she's did you see me
Speaker 1: in there? Yeah, she's signed. But before you even get
Speaker 1: to that bit, he's saying we need to go, we
Speaker 1: need to go. And he's saying we need to go.
Speaker 1: He's shitting on her moment because He's somehow worked out
Speaker 1: this second signal, which is like ease his pain. Pain,
Speaker 1: And again there's no reason why. How have you worked
Speaker 1: that out? I've worked it out? How have you? Was?
Speaker 1: He written it on a piece of paper, And now
Speaker 1: you happen to be at this meeting talking about talking
Speaker 1: about like that is. I would say that's a cheat,
Speaker 1: you think, yeah. I just I feel like they haven't
Speaker 1: worked hard enough to join the dots on how this
Speaker 1: is all happening. I like a bit of mystique, and
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of other movies like It's a
Speaker 1: Wonderful Life and Midnight in Paris, which I really like.
Speaker 1: And that's got Owen Wilson. Nothing much happens outside. He
Speaker 1: goes to a walk in Paris and there's this car
Speaker 1: comes and picks him up, and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: he's hanging out with these socialites from the nineteen twenties,
Speaker 1: you know, up in the end the Ballopoc area, you know.
Speaker 1: And then he's hanging out with Hemingway and and that's
Speaker 1: really all that happens, is happens to jump in this
Speaker 1: cart this particular time of the night. Back to the futures,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously another one where it's I think with
Speaker 1: time travel and fantasy movies, you have to kind of
Speaker 1: get that balance right of when do you stop panicking?
Speaker 1: And I think Kevin Cousin never panicked, never kind of
Speaker 1: got started, like Michael J. Fox, nailed it as far
Speaker 1: as the level of light, and there was always there's
Speaker 1: a lot more things happening in Back to the Future
Speaker 1: because that's the stakes were so much higher, you know,
Speaker 1: so he had things that react to. I must say
Speaker 1: they've given Kevin Costler much to react to, to be honest. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think Back to the Future and it's a
Speaker 1: wonderful life and Midnight in Paris and even ghosts. They
Speaker 1: know their rules of their universe really well. I just
Speaker 1: don't think Fielder James has a good enough handle on
Speaker 1: their rules. What was the peace you reckon? Was it
Speaker 1: just a guy? And then we have a flesh This on
Speaker 1: a movie, so based on a book. I know how
Speaker 1: successful the book was, So there's a source material, which
Speaker 1: I guess helps. I've got to keep repeating this is
Speaker 1: an extraordinarily successful movie. Premiere did say it was in
Speaker 1: the top twenty most overrated films of all times. So
Speaker 1: there are I'm not alone in kind of going hang
Speaker 1: on what And like I said, it's amazing that it
Speaker 1: works at the end and people have this emotional reaction
Speaker 1: considering some things, I don't think a set up. There's
Speaker 1: also the other thing that happens, you know, for more
Speaker 1: American audiences, but baseball is entrenched in their lives, like
Speaker 1: they love baseball, and like I said, that throwing that
Speaker 1: catch to catch is a generational thing that all American
Speaker 1: kids seem to do with their dads. So they've got
Speaker 1: some really clever things built into which are like emotional
Speaker 1: you know, straight lines into into open, open wounds and
Speaker 1: open we're tapped the Yeah, I think so. So he
Speaker 1: goes to see Terrence Man. What did you think when
Speaker 1: he when he found Terence and he's obviously reclusive, and
Speaker 1: you know, it's played for a little bit of comedy,
Speaker 1: a little bit of you know, yeah, James L. Jones
Speaker 1: obviously Darth Vader voice, great thespian.
Speaker 4: He's not he's not in the phone book. You can't
Speaker 4: just look him up. He can't just look up Terence
Speaker 4: Man and go So you've got to ask around.
Speaker 1: And yeah, there's a little montagery masking guy yeah.
Speaker 2: And then he knocks on this big the big steel door.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He pays a kid wearing a Boston Celtics had
Speaker 1: twenty marks or something, and he tells him where he
Speaker 1: is and it's I don't want to know. I don't
Speaker 1: want to.
Speaker 4: I'm not interested in what you're selling. I'm not selling anything. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't want to He thinks he wants something.
Speaker 1: This guy wants something, and then it's kind of jammed
Speaker 1: the arm in the door and look, get him there
Speaker 1: and explains to him.
Speaker 2: What is he what does he actually what does he
Speaker 2: say to him?
Speaker 4: Because I realize it's yeah, he tells him to he
Speaker 4: is pretty much fuck off.
Speaker 1: Yes, don't yes, because because he's nar a recluse, he's
Speaker 1: sick of he's been basically hiding away. He's sick of
Speaker 1: people wanting him to lead and asking him for quotes
Speaker 1: and to maybe write another book. He's not his passion
Speaker 1: for writing. He's now writing software for children's video games.
Speaker 1: Doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who'll be
Speaker 1: doing that. But you know, Ray does go with his
Speaker 1: hat in his hand and say this sounds crazy, but
Speaker 1: you know, this is what I need to do. And
Speaker 1: he does sound crazy, and he gets escorted out of
Speaker 1: the building and then he he has that thought where
Speaker 1: you think, okay, it hasn't worked, and he goes back
Speaker 1: with his the door has been open, the doors a jar,
Speaker 1: a jar, slam it. He slammed too hard, and it's
Speaker 1: obviously because he did actually slam it. So he comes
Speaker 1: back in with his gun, not a gun, his fingers
Speaker 1: in his pocket. Yeah, you know, he coming with me, yeah,
Speaker 1: which he joked about earlier when he's when he's kind
Speaker 1: of pumping himself up in his comby, you know, like
Speaker 1: coming with me so and he's brushed off as a
Speaker 1: ridiculous idea. So when he does it, you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's comedic, and he sees it straight away threatens me
Speaker 1: with the crowbar. But then eventually he's he's you know,
Speaker 1: he's genuine. He seems like a nice enough guy, and
Speaker 1: Kevin cost is very good at playing a very likable guy.
Speaker 1: I'm a big Kevin Costner fan, massive fan of the Untouchables.
Speaker 1: Love Dance with DK just rocked me as a fifteen
Speaker 1: year sixteen year old, and I'm not sure if there's
Speaker 1: an actor who does who makes it look more effortless
Speaker 1: than Kevin Costner. Oh, he's a movie star. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: really is. He's a movie star. Yeah, But I did
Speaker 1: think I think James L. Jones I had a bit
Speaker 1: of an issue connecting with him, maybe because it's the
Speaker 1: dart Vader, I don't know, but he's such, he's such,
Speaker 1: he's got his brilliant voice, and he's such like a statesman.
Speaker 1: And in my head I can't quite reconcile because I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the character was a bit of a statesman. But I
Speaker 1: just I just wondered the second time I watched it,
Speaker 1: I wondered if like it was a Morgan Freeman around,
Speaker 1: like a Shawshank kind of aunt a few years before,
Speaker 1: you know, probably five six, seven years before Shawshank, that
Speaker 1: kind of era of Morgan Freeman. You think it might
Speaker 1: have been a miscast. Yeah, I'm not. I just didn't
Speaker 1: when he orders the beer in a hot dog at
Speaker 1: the at the baseball which is you know, I thought
Speaker 1: it was a cheesy joke. What do you want? I
Speaker 1: want people to stop bothering me. I want people to
Speaker 1: give that big speech, what do you want a beer
Speaker 1: or a hot dogger? And I just wonder if he
Speaker 1: was I wouldn't have mind that character being, you know,
Speaker 1: because he's leaving in this kind of like reasonably kind
Speaker 1: of crappy apartment, you know, doing kind of computer week,
Speaker 1: which not like would have been paying. I don't think
Speaker 1: back in that time in Boston, in Boston a bit more.
Speaker 1: I just didn't believe him playing a little bit down
Speaker 1: and that, you know, he's so statesmanlike. So yeah, it
Speaker 1: was not a massive one. It's not like he was
Speaker 1: completely inappropriate at all. Like I just kind of wondered.
Speaker 1: I was trying to think who else they could have been,
Speaker 1: and I thought he was a big star then James Well,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean he wasn't coming to America.
Speaker 1: I know that, which would have been a couple of
Speaker 1: years earlier than that.
Speaker 2: I hadn't done, he hadn't done more faster yet I
Speaker 2: don't think he might have been fas.
Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, yeah, And certainly his voice was known, and
Speaker 1: I must say they had times where I do hear
Speaker 1: Darth Vader in his voice. Understandably, the more you sort
Speaker 1: of talk about this movie and I pick it, you go, wow,
Speaker 1: how do they they did get from there to there?
Speaker 4: When they went, all right, how do we get from
Speaker 4: here to James L. Jones, We'll just have a town
Speaker 4: hall meeting. And he comes up with it's.
Speaker 1: Like short done the shortcuts into treating in this movie.
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever seen it in a movie
Speaker 1: as highly regarded as this. They've just gone, fine, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Sure, can you see the ghost? I don't know? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Maybe yeah. And this gravel path around with the kind
Speaker 1: of the stones, you know, they can't go past it.
Speaker 1: We don't know what stopping him from Yeah.
Speaker 4: So someone says, all right, what's in a writer's room,
Speaker 4: what's stopping him from leaving the field.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some gravel on the edge. I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, when you when you write, you know this,
Speaker 1: like producers will have notes and you like and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: bloody hell, you know, But I'm like, but didn't ask
Speaker 1: enough questions. They didn't have enough notes on this. Also,
Speaker 1: when you go to a white shot or a drone
Speaker 1: shot from above, which I can take it a few
Speaker 1: there's no I think it might be a drainage thing.
Speaker 4: That's why I thought, just assumed they can't cross the drainage.
Speaker 1: Otherwise of those ghosts can't across the draining, the.
Speaker 4: Aggy the Aggie Pipe, the Aggie drain. They can't cross that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't accept that the ghosts are confined
Speaker 1: to the baseball dive. Spend a lot of disbelief. Absolutely, absolutely,
Speaker 1: But and and the thing is, I do I've done
Speaker 1: it in Midnight in Paris. I've done it. And it's
Speaker 1: a wonderful life. I've done it. I just kind of
Speaker 1: questions just kept on taking me out of this movie
Speaker 1: to the point where when it got to its you know,
Speaker 1: emotional climax, I was just having a little bit of trouble.
Speaker 1: But one of the things I did love, and I
Speaker 1: think it has been widely regarded, is the speech that
Speaker 1: James L. Jones does give about his love of baseball
Speaker 1: and America's love of baseball.
Speaker 5: The one constant through all the years, Ray, it's been
Speaker 5: baseball America has ruled by like an army of steam rulers.
Speaker 5: It's been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again.
Speaker 5: But baseball doesn't marked the time, this field, this game,
Speaker 5: it's a part of our past.
Speaker 1: Ray.
Speaker 5: It reminds us all that once was good a cook
Speaker 5: a game. Oh, people will come, Ray, people will most
Speaker 5: definitely come.
Speaker 1: It's funny to think back, especially James L. Jones giving
Speaker 1: him make America Great against bitch like. And I'm not
Speaker 1: saying he's saying it is from a Republican or a
Speaker 1: democratic point of view, but it reminds you that each generation, like,
Speaker 1: we always long for the better times. Now you can
Speaker 1: argue the world does seem completely fucking loopy now and
Speaker 1: maybe even maybe even more so a couple of years
Speaker 1: ago when Trump was in power. But it does this
Speaker 1: remind you that each generation thinks, you know, they long
Speaker 1: for the good old days they were they good, I mean.
Speaker 4: And this is again when when the daughter this is
Speaker 4: selling this dream that people will come here and maybe
Speaker 4: be able to reflect and dream about what America can
Speaker 4: be or what America was. They'll pay to sit on
Speaker 4: the sidelines and just sit in this cornfield and sort
Speaker 4: of and this is where again the brother in law's going, you.
Speaker 1: Gotta sell the farm. Ray, You're not gonna you know,
Speaker 1: I'm offering you one out here, Ray, And then the
Speaker 1: daughter goes hang on. He's like, hey, it tells the
Speaker 1: you know, the daughter to shut up. They're all telling
Speaker 1: her to shut up when she's got this idea. And
Speaker 1: I think she suggests maybe we could sell tickets to
Speaker 1: the Who's God? I come on? You know. And then
Speaker 1: this is obviously when he picks up you're turning your
Speaker 1: daughter mad ray and this picture up like a raggle
Speaker 1: and shakes her around. And this is when the hot
Speaker 1: dog happens. Yeah, that's a hot dog saying, So she
Speaker 1: falls off. She's we got to have noted that she's
Speaker 1: got a hot dog in her hand. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: we see her eating, but she's got a hot dog
Speaker 1: in her hand and she falls off. Yeah, there's obviously
Speaker 1: a bit of panic. Annie runs off the you know,
Speaker 1: I guess call a doctor. But then but then one
Speaker 1: of the ghost baseballers one a moonlight we'll get to
Speaker 1: talk about in the second. He is a doctor, and
Speaker 1: he starts walking over and raised like Annie stop and
Speaker 1: waits for the ghost doctor to basically smack her. He
Speaker 1: goes past the stone, so he turns human back to
Speaker 1: his human form into Burt Lancaster, and then he basically
Speaker 1: she's choking on a hot dog. She's no signs of choking.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can choke without actually kind
Speaker 1: of like convulsing, or she's fallen off the bleachers as well,
Speaker 1: so she could and choking. Oh my god, I mean
Speaker 1: it's quite a predicament. Yeah. And then he whacks her
Speaker 1: on the back.
Speaker 2: We looks and goes, this child is choking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then and then, So what I would have
Speaker 1: done in that situation if I knew there's a ghost
Speaker 1: doctor coming up and my wife was running to call
Speaker 1: the ambulance, I would say, yeah, you keep going. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to put all my cards on the ghost
Speaker 1: doctor's pocket. I'm not betting all the chips on the ghost.
Speaker 4: Do There's no mobile phones, has to run to the house,
Speaker 4: so there's not the sort of like they're.
Speaker 1: Going to take a while, but every second count, so
Speaker 1: you go call it. You know whoa we're here, ghost dog,
Speaker 1: they have a crack. Yeah, see what you can find?
Speaker 1: You can find as it happens, Yeah, hot dog, and
Speaker 1: he can dislodges. Yeah, dislodges the hot dog.
Speaker 4: And and so and then the brother in law who
Speaker 4: wants to sell the field has now gone suddenly seen
Speaker 4: a doctor appear out of thin air, yes, and has gone.
Speaker 2: What he's like, ree, you cannot sell the fium.
Speaker 4: So it's now suddenly like you know, the brother who's
Speaker 4: has the bank lined up, everyone ready to foreclose on
Speaker 4: the tomorrow morning when the bank opens, You're losing this farm.
Speaker 4: He's all in now and then he's like, hang on.
Speaker 4: A ghost doctor appeared out of nowhere, and apparently you
Speaker 4: guys have been watching a baseball game.
Speaker 1: It goes they like, I need to lie down as
Speaker 1: a way of this getting rid of him, because he's no,
Speaker 1: you're gonna lie down. Yeah, we don't need him anymore.
Speaker 1: Go lie down? They go lie down. Yeah. Do you
Speaker 1: think the hot dogs? Hot dogs are synonymously with baseball? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So I was trying to think, Okay, he's at a
Speaker 1: metaphor that's just choking on a hot dog. But what's
Speaker 1: that saying if it was or is it a kind
Speaker 1: of a bit of.
Speaker 2: A game easy lodge? I think it's a lodge in
Speaker 2: your throat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, so again though, I think it's it's
Speaker 1: it's it's a missed opportunity for something, unless maybe it's
Speaker 1: saying something that I'm not aware of. But why, you know,
Speaker 1: in good films there are no accidents, you know, So
Speaker 1: why why was it a hot dog? Yeah? I just
Speaker 1: kind of think knowing that hot dogs in America, they
Speaker 1: ordered hot dogs at the baseball. Was it this irony
Speaker 1: they're going for me?
Speaker 4: It seems like it might be another cheap just to
Speaker 4: we need to We needed to recover very quickly, and
Speaker 4: an easy way for someone to recover in a movie
Speaker 4: is sort of dislodge the choking hazard, which is a
Speaker 4: small piece of hot dog.
Speaker 1: And then they didn't do the whole harmonic, the slow
Speaker 1: motion of the coming out of the mouth through the sky,
Speaker 1: so I would a lot to see that. And then
Speaker 1: one of the one of the shoeless Joe actually hit
Speaker 1: it into the cornfield.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, that's right. I mean they could have done that.
Speaker 4: This is maybe in the remake where the hot dog
Speaker 4: comes out. They not send me to the cornfield and
Speaker 4: says something, says something like, you know.
Speaker 1: All of our ideas are available for the remake, please
Speaker 1: take them. Is Terence Is he dead at the end?
Speaker 4: Do you think, well, this is the writer who he's
Speaker 4: gone to Boston to collect to bring back to the cornfield.
Speaker 4: And then the ghosts of room say would you like
Speaker 4: to come see what's in the cornfield?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And Kevin Coston goes, hang on, I built.
Speaker 2: This, not didn't ask for anything, And yeah, I want.
Speaker 1: To go and see what's in the corn found. They're like,
Speaker 1: you know, you're not invited. You're not invited, and they
Speaker 1: invite the writer.
Speaker 2: Does that mean does he die then or is he
Speaker 2: always a ghost?
Speaker 1: Or well, there's a theory that it's a fan theory
Speaker 1: that he could be dead because he gets that phone
Speaker 1: call from his dad in the hotel room where there
Speaker 1: was concerns it was written in the paper that he
Speaker 1: had an answer his phone for a few days. But
Speaker 1: the fact is he is with Kevin Costner, so maybe
Speaker 1: he hadn't he maybe died from that moment onwards. But
Speaker 1: I don't think it stacks up. I don't think it
Speaker 1: stacks up because I think there are times when he
Speaker 1: is seen by other characters. He's certainly seen by the
Speaker 1: brother in law. I think they shake hands. You can't see,
Speaker 1: so I think he's alive. But then does he he
Speaker 1: does his turn into a ghost. So maybe they should
Speaker 1: earn his body, maybe should have a heart attack. I
Speaker 1: don't know, But again I feel like it's not knowing
Speaker 1: and not at least the writer might know and the
Speaker 1: director might know. But as an audience member, I'm unclear.
Speaker 1: What's what the rules of the game are here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are no rules.
Speaker 4: Is very Yeah, it doesn't seem We've got a baseball
Speaker 4: field where ghost Baseball has come to play each other
Speaker 4: and there are fun bunch of guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not sort of creepy to have what the
Speaker 1: men playing baseball your daughter six year old Daughtereah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I've got they're working with children's check and
Speaker 1: they're all having fun, you know, and there's a couple
Speaker 1: of wise crackers, like real we got sick of practicing,
Speaker 1: so I invited a few more friends alone. And he's
Speaker 1: been invited the whole of the New York Dead New
Speaker 1: York Yankees, the Ghost Yankees, to play the You know,
Speaker 1: this is like, wow, this is this is fun because
Speaker 1: the weird idea about Terrence kind of becoming seemingly becoming
Speaker 1: a ghost and heading off into the cornfield, and I
Speaker 1: assume that's what's happened. How they then explained itself in
Speaker 1: the real word about how he dies, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not sure if they know. But
Speaker 1: I thought his journey was really about him rediscovering his
Speaker 1: passion for writing, not that he was had had a
Speaker 1: longing for the afterworld or the afterlife. Maybe his inspiration
Speaker 1: would come from the afterlife. But then how does he
Speaker 1: write again, I'm just a bit fused.
Speaker 4: Maybe what they can take a mortal into the corn
Speaker 4: to show on what's there.
Speaker 1: Maybe he just needed it. I don't know. Maybe he
Speaker 1: comes back.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of unanswered things in this movie.
Speaker 1: Again, I think they just wanted to get rid of
Speaker 1: him because they want this moment of father and son.
Speaker 1: That's so they're trying to get rid of all the characters.
Speaker 1: You got to lie down, you go in the corn
Speaker 1: and he takes Karen back in I think to the
Speaker 1: House for Memory. I think to get rid of her
Speaker 1: then too. So they've pretty much had gotten rid of everyone.
Speaker 1: Let's let's talk about Moonlight played by Burt Lancaster. So
Speaker 1: they go to the Fenway Park and I forget why
Speaker 1: they thought something was having a Fenway pack. I'm sure
Speaker 1: it's there. I'm not saying it's not OUs forgotten.
Speaker 4: He just has a feeling that he's got to take
Speaker 4: James L. Jones to the Fenway Park, sit in these
Speaker 4: particular seats and watch a game, and then something will
Speaker 4: be answered.
Speaker 1: Famous Maybe that's to ease his pain. Yea famous Boston Stadium.
Speaker 1: Fun facts in the crowd that night. We're young Matt
Speaker 1: Daane and young Ben Affleck. Yeah, and when Ben Affleck
Speaker 1: worked with the director on Some of All Fears, he
Speaker 1: said to him, nice to work with you again. So
Speaker 1: they go there and there's on the scoreboard finally is
Speaker 1: Moonlight carricter name. We like Graham And in fact they
Speaker 1: only played one game and never batted. And you got
Speaker 1: to look like you've got to know baseball a little
Speaker 1: bit to pick those things. That's true, true story, This
Speaker 1: is a true character. Yeah. So he they leave the stadium.
Speaker 1: James L. Jones Terrence Man says that he can't he
Speaker 1: didn't hear the voice which was saying, now go to
Speaker 1: the distance another clue, and then he says he can't
Speaker 1: hear it. He didn't see the schoolboard. He said, well,
Speaker 1: there's not what you're being here.
Speaker 2: Because Kevin Coss has been given these two new sort
Speaker 2: of code.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's the only one who heard it, apparently.
Speaker 1: So they leave. I did like the way it was
Speaker 1: kind of played out a little bit where he jumped
Speaker 1: in the car, left him alone, did a bit of
Speaker 1: a U turn and he's just in the middle of
Speaker 1: the road and he says, like Graham, he says, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you heard that, yeah, yeah, And then he
Speaker 1: gets out of the car. But I'm still a bit
Speaker 1: confused whether he was lying about Oh, he's just putting
Speaker 1: it together almost as an afterthought, you know, almost like
Speaker 1: it's just coming back to him that he saw it.
Speaker 1: Because when Costner season on the scoreboard and Ray sees it.
Speaker 1: The second time I watched it, I kept an eye
Speaker 1: on James L. Jones and he doesn't move, he doesn't
Speaker 1: like there's no sense that he's playing the moment even
Speaker 1: away from from Kevin Costner. And then so and then
Speaker 1: the way he plays it out in the street, it's
Speaker 1: like it's coming to him in that moment that he
Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily lying, but now it's coming to him.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean this is sort of now becoming
Speaker 4: at the moment where Kevin Costner's assembling a misfit group
Speaker 4: of sort of he's going to go around the country
Speaker 4: now collecting people because he's been given these clues. So
Speaker 4: now he's got James Old Jones says I've heard MOONLIGHTO yeah,
Speaker 4: and then so he's going, I'm coming with you. Now
Speaker 4: we've got to go and collect Moonlight. Yes, it's like
Speaker 4: assembling Ocean's eleven. So we've got to go, We've got
Speaker 4: to go. We've got to go and get Moonlight now
Speaker 4: to come. So we got that, and they go to
Speaker 4: another town to find Moonlight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, who's still alive, Still alive and played by Burt
Speaker 1: Lancaster in his last film role. Apparently apparently what like
Speaker 1: was kept on asking Timothy Busfield, who plays the brother
Speaker 1: in law, really very good actor, was great in West Wing,
Speaker 1: played Danny in The West Wing. Like they kept getting
Speaker 1: asking to get Hi coffees and move chairs, not realizing
Speaker 1: that he was actually in the movie. And yeah, and
Speaker 1: he's very good. But there's a weird thing where Ray
Speaker 1: now is transported back to like nineteen seventy two because
Speaker 1: he sees The Godfather playing, which is released in nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy two, and it says one of this year's again
Speaker 1: his division is that and that's very that's as close
Speaker 1: to mid night in Paris as this movie kind of comes.
Speaker 1: Where he is just like transported and he's walking the
Speaker 1: streets of nineteen seventy two Minnesota and he sees Moonlight,
Speaker 1: who's quite a gentleman. Open for a chat, happy to
Speaker 1: kind of come by. Meanwhile, I think Terrence is chatting
Speaker 1: to people in this bar. Now apparently all those people
Speaker 1: he's chatting to people who knew the real Moonlight Graham. Oh,
Speaker 1: and they're like and they're all real stories about the
Speaker 1: blue hats and all these little details. So I already
Speaker 1: like that as an idea. So Moonlight Graham is a
Speaker 1: true character. He existed, and he did and he played
Speaker 1: the one game, and he did go back to his
Speaker 1: hometown and supported kids with eyewear or orthopedic.
Speaker 2: The American Fred Hollows, Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the Moonlight Hopefully there's a Moonlight Graham Foundation.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you want American the I'm not
Speaker 1: sure they do that. Surprisingly, yeah, and they he goes
Speaker 1: back to their house and he learns a little bit
Speaker 1: about Moonlight. Let's have it listen, Burt Lancaster, Kevin Costner.
Speaker 3: It was like having this close to you and then
Speaker 3: watched them brush past you like a stranger in the ground.
Speaker 3: At the time, you don't think much of it, you know,
Speaker 3: we just don't recognize the most significant moments of our
Speaker 3: lives were happening back then. I thought, well, there'll be
Speaker 3: other days. I didn't realize that that was the only day.
Speaker 3: And now, recon Seller, I want to ask you a question.
Speaker 3: What's so interesting about a happenn inning that would make
Speaker 3: you come all the way from Iowa to talk to
Speaker 3: me about it fifty years after it happened.
Speaker 6: I didn't really know till just now. But I think
Speaker 6: it's to ask you if you could do anything you wanted,
Speaker 6: if you could have a wish, and the other kind
Speaker 6: of a man who could grant me that wish? I
Speaker 6: don't know, I'm I'm just asking.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I I never got to bat in
Speaker 3: the major least. I don't like to hit that chance
Speaker 3: just once to stare down a big lead picture, to
Speaker 3: stare him down him and just as he goes into
Speaker 3: its wind up quick they can think you know something
Speaker 3: he doesn't. That's what I wish for chance to squid
Speaker 3: that the sky is so blue that it hushed your
Speaker 3: eyes just to look at it, To feel the tingle
Speaker 3: in your arm as you connect with the ball. There
Speaker 3: on the basis, stretch a double into a trimmal and
Speaker 3: flap face first into third, wrap your arms around the back.
Speaker 1: That's my wish. We can sell them.
Speaker 3: That's my wish. And is there enough magic out there
Speaker 3: in the moonlight to make this read come true? What
Speaker 3: would you say if I said yes, I think I'd
Speaker 3: actually believe you.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's some great speeches and moments. I mean
Speaker 1: that is that's fantastic, that's great.
Speaker 4: I loved them, and as a moment to sort of
Speaker 4: something to live by that you don't know when these
Speaker 4: moments have come and gone, and you do have to
Speaker 4: live in the moment, and it is important to live
Speaker 4: in the moment.
Speaker 2: And that's what I took out of that speech.
Speaker 4: He's like, oh, yeah, you don't know where if this
Speaker 4: is one of those points in your life where it's
Speaker 4: the sliding door that he goes this way or go
Speaker 4: that way, and that Yeah, that is a great speech,
Speaker 4: along along with James L.
Speaker 1: Jones's speeches, and you know in the moment at the end.
Speaker 4: But then see, I'm confused because on the way he
Speaker 4: decides it's not worth coming back to this baseball field.
Speaker 4: I won't go with you, Rayken Siller, but I believe
Speaker 4: you could. But I can't leave my wife and I've
Speaker 4: got work here, and sorry, I'm not going to come
Speaker 4: and play baseball with you.
Speaker 1: So James L.
Speaker 4: Jones Kevin Costner decided to go back to the field,
Speaker 4: and in the meantime, the wife's dealing with the bank
Speaker 4: but not wanting to get while he's on his mission,
Speaker 4: but they're about to fore close on the bank, so
Speaker 4: she gets on to him.
Speaker 2: He says, look, I'm coming home. She says, well, you've
Speaker 2: got to come home.
Speaker 4: The bank's about to four close, and he goes, I'll
Speaker 4: come home, but I just got to drop James L.
Speaker 1: Jones back in Boston, and James Jones says, oh, no,
Speaker 1: I'm coming with you. I am your father.
Speaker 4: I've got to see this field, and he goes, we're
Speaker 4: coming home. So they decide to go home to the
Speaker 4: baseball field, leaving the good doctor who's only played one
Speaker 4: game ye in his life there, But they pick up
Speaker 4: a hitchhiker on the way home, a young.
Speaker 1: Who sees to me from another generation almost immediately, but
Speaker 1: which way you go on? We're going? We're going to know,
Speaker 1: I suppose just take me his lest time. I'm a beast.
Speaker 1: I'm just a guy. And they're like, what are you
Speaker 1: traveling for? A kid? I just heard you can you
Speaker 1: can pick up games a baseball in anytime your golf too.
Speaker 2: And they go, yeah, we might know a place where
Speaker 2: we can do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I felt that was again there. It was just
Speaker 1: moments where they're a little bit too on the nose
Speaker 1: for mine, and that was one of them. I did, wonder,
Speaker 1: you do want that moment I've been like coming out
Speaker 1: and playing. Otherwise there's no point of having him in
Speaker 1: the movie, but I did wonder. Doesn't work if they
Speaker 1: don't pick him up. But he emerges from the cornfield.
Speaker 1: This kid, this kid again is this kid? This kid's
Speaker 1: a ghost, this kid's are now. Yeah, he's a rookie,
Speaker 1: the one like the rookie. And this is where they've
Speaker 1: had to tie themselves in knots to make this work
Speaker 1: because there's no other point where Kevin Costs the time
Speaker 1: travels to another time period and we don't know why
Speaker 1: he has but he's also he's in nineteen seventy two
Speaker 1: having a conversation with Moonlight Graham, who's who's in nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy two. So in the eighty ninety is dead, yeah,
Speaker 1: but in seventy two is in life. So that's what
Speaker 1: they had to have Kevin cost to go into nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy two, despite not explaining how I to talk to
Speaker 1: Moonlight to have that speech. We just heard that, yes,
Speaker 1: to have that speech.
Speaker 2: And then they pick up this hitchhiker who's a kid,
Speaker 2: which we don't know.
Speaker 1: They give him. He's got some other name there, yeah, Archie.
Speaker 1: And then and we kind of we feel there might
Speaker 1: be a connection. And then I kind of, yeah, I
Speaker 1: kind of figured that once they got there. So that's Moonlight.
Speaker 2: So Archie arrives at the field and sees all these
Speaker 2: he goes.
Speaker 1: On that that's a shoeless Joe and that's also and
Speaker 1: that's oh my god.
Speaker 2: And they go get your kid on, kid, you want to?
Speaker 4: You want to and he's like oh, So he goes
Speaker 4: to bat and then this kid, Hey, Rookie, can you.
Speaker 1: You always one of the the way you described that,
Speaker 1: you know, I was like, it's one of the ones.
Speaker 1: Just just you know, line up and give him a
Speaker 1: wink to know that I'm you know, I'm in the game.
Speaker 4: And then sort of this kid's lined up and then
Speaker 4: sort of up against one of a major league picture, Yeah, give.
Speaker 1: Against knuckles and knuckles fire at his noggin. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I kind of think that moment didn't play like again,
Speaker 1: I think if if Moonlight as a kid comes to
Speaker 1: the into the game, imagine if he comes to the game,
Speaker 1: goes to the mound, you want to you want to
Speaker 1: have hit. Sure, and we don't know who he is yet,
Speaker 1: you know, just a rookie kid, just a rookie. And
Speaker 1: then we're there and we've seen wink and the picture
Speaker 1: back to Costner, it's my Graham. That's a moment. That's
Speaker 1: the moment. You missed that moment. They kind of bundled
Speaker 1: a bit by that because they make it that comedy.
Speaker 1: And then he kind of hits it, you know, and
Speaker 1: Leotto calls him over a supers joke him over and says, Okay,
Speaker 1: he's done this twice now, you know, but what's he
Speaker 1: going to do next. He's going to go left and
Speaker 1: lower whatever it is. And yeah, and it's all that,
Speaker 1: but it's like, yeah, that's all baseball jargon, but it's
Speaker 1: they missed the emotion.
Speaker 4: And then this is the kid which turns out to
Speaker 4: be the hot dog doctor dis Lodger.
Speaker 1: Yes, so that's when this.
Speaker 4: Kid rookie who he has this doctor knowledge in him
Speaker 4: already even though he's a rookie.
Speaker 1: So he hasn't he hasn't done any of the study.
Speaker 4: So when he steps over the pebbles into the world
Speaker 4: where he can't go back, he's got all this knowledge
Speaker 4: of the doctor who died in the.
Speaker 1: Yes, so I guess once he goes over the stones,
Speaker 1: he does become knowledgeable in order. And yeah, so he
Speaker 1: just now lives in eighty nine, probably homeless, because you
Speaker 1: know he lives. He's become he's come out of ghost
Speaker 1: world into I think I thought he came into ghost
Speaker 1: into human being.
Speaker 4: Yeah, as an old doctor with only a leather bag
Speaker 4: to his name.
Speaker 1: As an instrumented it's just just a leather bag.
Speaker 4: Can't fit a defibrillator a leather bag these days. So yeah,
Speaker 4: there's a few, there's a lot of there are a
Speaker 4: lot of This is where you do have to go.
Speaker 1: I'm just going to go along for this ride, and
Speaker 1: you you have to. And I really like obviously I've
Speaker 1: had some issues with it. I did not want anyone,
Speaker 1: including yourself, Dave, who had you know you had an
Speaker 1: emotional reaction to enjoy. I don't want anyone to. This
Speaker 1: is a discussion about a film that we're still processing
Speaker 1: and It's a very special film to many people, and
Speaker 1: I really, I really, sincerely wish I have not dented that,
Speaker 1: because if you enjoyed, don't stop enjoying it. No, because
Speaker 1: you know, and I think if I had if this
Speaker 1: comes out when I'm fourteen, if I'd have seen it
Speaker 1: when i was fourteen, this would have blown me away,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure it would be one of my favorite films.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have questioned all the things that I've watched
Speaker 1: that I've questioned today. Then this week it was a
Speaker 1: period of ghost movies. Really ghost was one of the
Speaker 1: one of the big ones.
Speaker 4: But there was a ghost and obviously Field Dreams, and
Speaker 4: then a little bit later I see Dead People.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sixth sense, sixth sense? Yeah, so you know me spoilers,
Speaker 1: Oh damn it. If you haven't seen podcast is a
Speaker 1: podcast of spoilers. Certainly the film that we're discussing. They
Speaker 1: all know you put a spoiler morning at the time
Speaker 1: that we don't. You don't know, we don't because everybody
Speaker 1: knows now if we they've read what the podcast is,
Speaker 1: they're listening to it. We did it early on in
Speaker 1: the show's life, but now I get people telling me
Speaker 1: they often listen to the podcast before they watched a movie,
Speaker 1: just to see that.
Speaker 4: They think, well, there's like one hundred and twenty episodes
Speaker 4: in of your podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so so sometimes I listen to it. If it
Speaker 1: sounds like, you know, a fun movie, they'll go watch it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: with all the spoilers. Is fun. It is a fun movie.
Speaker 1: It's it's worth watching. And you might not have any
Speaker 1: And please let me know. Get on to our speak
Speaker 1: part through the page and leave a message for us
Speaker 1: and let us know why am I wrong about Field Dreams?
Speaker 1: What did you love about Field of Dreams? When did
Speaker 1: you watch it? How did you watch it? And I
Speaker 1: would love to hear what Field Dreams means to you,
Speaker 1: because I want to be very clear that I do
Speaker 1: know it means a lot to a lot of people.
Speaker 1: It does.
Speaker 2: I mean live in the moment and live your dream.
Speaker 1: And it's I feel like it's one of those kind
Speaker 1: of emotional, kind of emotional comfort movies.
Speaker 2: And maybe heaven is right in front of you, like
Speaker 2: for me right now.
Speaker 1: Well, funnily enough, one of the questions I was going
Speaker 1: to ask you to start was, like you were in
Speaker 1: the studio looking across from it, is this heaven. This
Speaker 1: is so weird? Is this heaven? You know? I do
Speaker 1: so to go? Wow? This may bee? This is Evan.
Speaker 1: A few fun facts. Shoeless Joe was a left hander.
Speaker 1: Leotta plate it right hand. Was allowed to play it
Speaker 1: right handed because that was his natural swing, had some training,
Speaker 1: but yeah, Shutless Joe was. In fact, they could have
Speaker 1: flipped the footage right. We just flip it in after
Speaker 1: effects or something like that in Utopia. Flip it.
Speaker 4: They flip the whole of Utopia. I'm actually right, you'll
Speaker 4: see it, and I'm writing right handed. Yeah, it's all
Speaker 4: left handed.
Speaker 1: I knew there's a joke in there about that Sutless
Speaker 1: Joe makes about ty Cobb not being invited because you
Speaker 1: know they can stand him. Ty Cobb and Shutless Joe
Speaker 1: actually good friends in real life and later on in
Speaker 1: life after the White Sox scandal of nineteen nineteen. So
Speaker 1: basically they the owners weren't paying enough. So that reference
Speaker 1: earlier about the owners and the lights, and you know
Speaker 1: he has our bloody owners whatever he says. That makes
Speaker 1: more sense when you understand that the owners were underpaying
Speaker 1: them back in ninety nineteen. Obviously very tough times, so
Speaker 1: they end up taking bribes from you know, I assumed
Speaker 1: gangsters to throw a series, you know, and it's hard
Speaker 1: to when people are you know, based on the poverty line,
Speaker 1: not getting paid. You kind of go, well, you know,
Speaker 1: well this.
Speaker 4: Is that was an interesting fact too with the lights,
Speaker 4: because the ghost comes back and goes, why why are
Speaker 4: you turning on lights on a baseball field? And he says, well,
Speaker 4: because the owners decided you could get more people. Yeah,
Speaker 4: after work, come and see the game. So we've got
Speaker 4: under lights, which makes a lot of.
Speaker 1: Sense, makes a lot of sense. Yeah, right. And then
Speaker 1: Shoeless Joe was working in a liquor store years after
Speaker 1: the scandal and ty Cobb came in and Shoeless Joe
Speaker 1: did not kind of say anything, and Tykup eventually said,
Speaker 1: don't you recognize me? Shoeless Joe said, sure, I do, Tie,
Speaker 1: I just didn't think anyone wanted to remember me anymore. Also,
Speaker 1: I mentioned a bit earlier when Kevin Costna says to
Speaker 1: Ghost that that he calls him dad, and the ghost
Speaker 1: that doesn't freak out or anything. No, you know, he's
Speaker 1: just like texting his ghostly form. He's a bit chill,
Speaker 1: this ghost. But apparently what happened was the testing audiences
Speaker 1: didn't like that he didn't acknowledge him as his dad,
Speaker 1: and they even somewhere confused as to who that figure was.
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty bloody obvious it's his dad. If
Speaker 1: you've been paying attention the movies, we've actually seen images
Speaker 1: of him earlier, so they did put that reference in. Also,
Speaker 1: the audiences had the original title of the book, which
Speaker 1: is called Shoeless because it's more based on which I
Speaker 1: understand also because I feel like it is more raised
Speaker 1: story than yes. Yes, yeah. So the director a bit
Speaker 1: nervously rang the author of the book and saying the
Speaker 1: studio wanted to change it to a Field of Dreams,
Speaker 1: and the author said he didn't actually care. He's original title,
Speaker 1: in fact was dream Field Kid, and the publishing company
Speaker 1: made him change it the shoeless. Wow, So that's spooky.
Speaker 1: There's a little bit of spookiness. The director and writer
Speaker 1: of the movie regretted there being no black characters in
Speaker 1: the teams. It has been put to him that black
Speaker 1: palt layers that didn't play baseball back then, but he said, yes,
Speaker 1: but they should have been included in the people who
Speaker 1: were banned. So yeah, we know Shoeless Joe's band. We
Speaker 1: could have found out who were like the black players,
Speaker 1: or even if they were fictitious, have back as a
Speaker 1: representation that black come.
Speaker 2: Out of the cornfield and been people who this is.
Speaker 1: You know that, and they make the point of black players,
Speaker 1: black Americans, we're not allowed to play baseball from eighteen
Speaker 1: eighty four to nineteen forty seven.
Speaker 4: The test that they run through films, that's called these days,
Speaker 4: it's just set. There's enough sort of sort of roles
Speaker 4: for women.
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, there's a famous one with women
Speaker 1: about how about conversations that I had without but between
Speaker 1: two women without mentioning men. And there's a name for that.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it applies with I mean, this movie wouldn't
Speaker 1: pass a whole lot of tests if you ran it
Speaker 1: through the it is just white men?
Speaker 2: Yeah, how many? Just two baseballs?
Speaker 1: Is there a woman? Isn't it? Is she a nagging wife?
Speaker 1: She's not nagging. It's funny that character because I really
Speaker 1: love the fact that she's not nagging. But I feel
Speaker 1: like she needed the nag for the sake of the movie.
Speaker 1: The nagging he said a little bit or some concern
Speaker 1: or some you know, like yeah, also Tom Hanks is
Speaker 1: off at the roll Knock the Back Radiotta has never sadly,
Speaker 1: had never seen a movie a few years ago, so
Speaker 1: I don't know if he caught it. He never know
Speaker 1: because his mother, I think his father had passed away
Speaker 1: and he went to take his mother to the premiere
Speaker 1: and it was just too much at that stage, so
Speaker 1: they left and he's just never he had never seen it,
Speaker 1: So I'd like, I don't know if he saw it
Speaker 1: in the last couple of years of his life, and
Speaker 1: he passed away a couple of years ago. Maybe needs
Speaker 1: to be the sequel.
Speaker 4: Could be someone's got to make a cinema so dead
Speaker 4: actors can come and see the movies that they never
Speaker 4: saw while they were alive. You know, build it and
Speaker 4: they will come. This could be your next movie. That is,
Speaker 4: it's not the worst idea in the world. Similar this
Speaker 4: guy has a dream, builds a home cinema, like a
Speaker 4: proper full size cinema of dreams. Cinemas are dying around
Speaker 4: the world because the streaming came along. Cinemas all around
Speaker 4: the world are dying. So he builds a cinema and
Speaker 4: old school cinema so Humphrey Bogart comes and watch his movie.
Speaker 1: What's this CAUs a blanker?
Speaker 4: Yeah, suddenly the popcorn machine starts going on its own
Speaker 4: and hang on a second, that starts.
Speaker 1: The film starts wirrying. Paul Walker comes out, watches all
Speaker 1: the fast and furious films since they went to the Moon,
Speaker 1: what they went to space? I haven't seen that. I'm
Speaker 1: only about sorry, he gets he gets it gets weird.
Speaker 1: Don't look at that.
Speaker 4: Actually this is maybe cut this out of the podcast,
Speaker 4: because is actually a pretty good idea and maybe we
Speaker 4: should should write this. I don't know what to call it.
Speaker 1: Cinema of Dreams. I mean, you have great you know
Speaker 1: the cinema parody so which is a brilliant film. There's
Speaker 1: one actually, Emperor I Have Light, which is Sam Mender's
Speaker 1: more recently, which kind of went by nobody really spoke about.
Speaker 1: It had such a great cast and it was it
Speaker 1: was great. So chances the Empire, Emperor I Have Dreams.
Speaker 1: I think it's was the Empire Dreams something like that.
Speaker 1: Check that out, hey, mate, Before we we wrap up Utopia,
Speaker 1: congratulations smashed it again. It's great to have it back. Great,
Speaker 1: I love it. I love I love watching it and
Speaker 1: I love being in it.
Speaker 4: It's one of those great jobs because you get to
Speaker 4: see all everyone else's great acting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 4: And it's one of those things that people come up
Speaker 4: to me and go, Utopia, can't watch it.
Speaker 1: It's too frustrating. Yeah, it's It's one of those some
Speaker 1: people can't watch The Office because of similar read like
Speaker 1: the particularly the English version, because it's like it's I've
Speaker 1: had a boss like that. It's too kind of it's
Speaker 1: too much if you work in that world. I can imagine,
Speaker 1: and I don't, but I can imagine. It kind of
Speaker 1: is a bit too close to the bone, I think.
Speaker 4: So it's one of those jobs that in a you know,
Speaker 4: as a kid wanting to be an act to whatever,
Speaker 4: if someone, if a ghost came up to me and said,
Speaker 4: I'll give you one job. You can work with the
Speaker 4: team from Working Dog. You can be Rob Stitch's sort
Speaker 4: of right hand man in a series.
Speaker 1: But that's all you get to do. I'm going to
Speaker 1: play a waider.
Speaker 4: Can you throw in something else like a waiter? And
Speaker 4: I love you too. I would go done throwing the
Speaker 4: waiter and that will be I'm done. I don't need
Speaker 4: to do any more happy days. So I mean being
Speaker 4: very lucky again, like even with all the little bits
Speaker 4: and pieces, like even doing those Toyota ads that I
Speaker 4: did for is this true you.
Speaker 1: Were offer those Toyota aids. A Curry loves telling people
Speaker 1: about this.
Speaker 4: This is because I think I got got invited to
Speaker 4: audition for these ads down the track where they had Curry.
Speaker 4: They just needed someone else to go with Curry, so
Speaker 4: you and usual anyway, this is another no podcast.
Speaker 1: It meet me Hughsy and I said no, but you
Speaker 1: know what on paper they might have been. But I
Speaker 1: honestly believe it's like I've said, notice certain stuff and
Speaker 1: then looked at it and kind of gone, oh, should
Speaker 1: I have said? You know, but I reckon when I
Speaker 1: say notice something is for always for a reason, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And we just kind of thought
Speaker 1: at the time it just wasn't It wasn't quite for us.
Speaker 1: And I think usually you get the casts that you need,
Speaker 1: you know. And I think what you and Steve did
Speaker 1: with those ads I think are quite different to what
Speaker 1: me and Hughsy probably would have done. And I think
Speaker 1: they got the right people.
Speaker 4: I mean, again, I'm very grateful that you turn those down,
Speaker 4: because that's another one of those ads, just like.
Speaker 1: You, I don't like to think about it too much,
Speaker 1: one of.
Speaker 4: Those as one of those ads that you go, look here,
Speaker 4: here's you and your mate can go and kick to
Speaker 4: kick with the legend and we'll give your Grand Final
Speaker 4: tickets every year and a little bit of spending money
Speaker 4: as well. You go, all right, I'll do that. And
Speaker 4: as long as you're throwing that, I love you too. Waiter,
Speaker 4: I'm done. Then I'm done that Utopia then I'm all good.
Speaker 1: And a short film with Peter, a short film and
Speaker 1: only short film as a director can direct me and
Speaker 1: something can I can? I please be? And just quickly
Speaker 1: you mentioned your your wonderful partner Sarah's and you were
Speaker 1: around the we may mention to it for in case
Speaker 1: people missed it. You were wondering what we were talking about.
Speaker 1: You were over there for part of the final season
Speaker 1: of Succession, and boy did they knock it out of
Speaker 1: the park. I mean, we know how hard it is,
Speaker 1: the land end of I mean that love show. That's
Speaker 1: a great show. We talk about you Topia, that's a
Speaker 1: great show. But and my other part of my life
Speaker 1: is I'm a trophy husband. Let's it's going to be
Speaker 1: the trophy husband. There's not enough of them. I want
Speaker 1: to make. I want to have more tropy husbands in
Speaker 1: my lifetime. I'm a trophy husband.
Speaker 4: So she's she's in the show Succession, which and plays
Speaker 4: the oldest daughter, and she's like incredible.
Speaker 1: Like, if you haven't seen Succession, you need to watch it.
Speaker 1: And if you're not aware of Sarah's work, you should be.
Speaker 1: She is like Cate Blanchett Merror good Like, she's like
Speaker 1: like just she could not do any better in scenes
Speaker 1: like you're going to go, she's just sucking the part
Speaker 1: that's it's ridiculous. Does that annoy you because you're not
Speaker 1: at that level? I'm not, never will, but I don't
Speaker 1: want to be. You. I get such a kick out
Speaker 1: of watching her do it.
Speaker 4: Yeah you may, and then you you know, because you
Speaker 4: will practice the lines and I get to put on
Speaker 4: all the voices which I'm not.
Speaker 1: She puts up with you know, well, you're one of half.
Speaker 1: You're not serious people. I could just not normally so
Speaker 1: I can learn it. But she will do it a
Speaker 1: couple of times.
Speaker 4: You go, great, done, and then when you see what
Speaker 4: she does, you go where did that even come from?
Speaker 1: And then can turn it off straight away. It's not
Speaker 1: like doesn't bring it home or yeah done. It's like
Speaker 1: that's a relief, isn't It.
Speaker 2: Goes back to playing ukulele and then goes on and does.
Speaker 1: But she's great. So that's you know, part of you know,
Speaker 1: I get to sort of watch that and I remember
Speaker 1: seeing her Predestination.
Speaker 2: That's an amazing film.
Speaker 1: First time I think that's seen her before, but it
Speaker 1: was the first time I've really seen her in something.
Speaker 1: It was like, that was fucking genuinely mind blowing. You
Speaker 1: haven't seen that Predestination fantastic kind of Ossie.
Speaker 4: Ethan Hawk that was her first, one of her first
Speaker 4: sort of films. I think Out of Night it was, yeah,
Speaker 4: movie with Ethan Hawk, and she's yeah.
Speaker 1: She plays a drill role, so she's playing maybly two
Speaker 1: people in it, and it is a phenomenal piece of acting.
Speaker 1: And you see that and everything else kind of makes sense.
Speaker 1: You kind of go, oh, that's why she's so good
Speaker 1: in succession if you yeah, So, what was it like
Speaker 1: this being around like that I saw on Instagram? You
Speaker 1: there's some dinners, you know that it seemed like a
Speaker 1: good tight crew really really nice and felt really nice
Speaker 1: to sort of be welcomed into it because they've been
Speaker 1: doing it for a couple of seasons. So then when
Speaker 1: I also did really want to navigate pandemics and yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's what the second third season. Yeah, they Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was during the when it was all sort of
Speaker 1: very tight lockdown and they were sort of had to
Speaker 1: go off to separate booths and but yeah, it was,
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 4: It was really great to watch and just to watch
Speaker 4: how they do it. I mean that's shot on film
Speaker 4: as well to that succession.
Speaker 1: They go to the locations like You've got the man
Speaker 1: the Lauri and who shoot in the studio and it's
Speaker 1: like fake, this is all. They go to Norway and
Speaker 1: they go to wherever they want to. I think, like
Speaker 1: the private jets.
Speaker 4: The interior of the private jets are in a studio
Speaker 4: at this point and is disappointing.
Speaker 2: And I don't think that helicopter ever takes off the ground.
Speaker 4: They're allowed to take off off the ground, so they're
Speaker 4: just sort of ducking.
Speaker 1: No, you don't duck.
Speaker 4: This is what billionaires don't duck when they exit a
Speaker 4: helicopter because they're so used to it. You know us
Speaker 4: people who've only gone helicopter once or twice when you
Speaker 4: get out will duck because the blades might take their
Speaker 4: heads off. But if you've traveled on helicopters, you And
Speaker 4: here's the other thing. Billionaires they don't really wear big
Speaker 4: overcoats because they don't they go from a car to
Speaker 4: a so quickly, so quickly.
Speaker 1: So these are billionaire secrets.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's really nice to sort of just
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 4: Able to sit there by because I love the process
Speaker 4: of making how watching people make TV or film.
Speaker 1: So to be able to sit at the split.
Speaker 4: And just watch them just do take up to take
Speaker 4: and all the ad libs and all all the bits
Speaker 4: and pieces of what changes from the script. It was
Speaker 4: just it was I really really enjoyed watching it. But
Speaker 4: you know, it's just it's an amazing show too. And
Speaker 4: I mentioned this on the way we drove in together.
Speaker 4: But this one of my great joys in lockdown was
Speaker 4: to see your your beaming, smiling face on the screen.
Speaker 4: Behind was a Jimmy Kimmel or Jimmy kim Kimmel who
Speaker 4: was hosting the Golden.
Speaker 1: Globes and you were there, and I was like, what
Speaker 1: the loss losses on the Gloves or the Emmys or
Speaker 1: whatever it was. It was how many text messages did
Speaker 1: you get by?
Speaker 4: There was a few, because it was this was it
Speaker 4: was described to us because it was a lockdown. So
Speaker 4: Sarah was living with me because she was lockdown here
Speaker 4: and I and she'd lived with me plenty of times before,
Speaker 4: so I just stayed my house, you know, and there
Speaker 4: was never anything sort of weird.
Speaker 1: It was never like we're falling in love.
Speaker 2: With each other. So for her, it was just like
Speaker 2: you stayed my house.
Speaker 4: And then the Emmy's came along, and it was a
Speaker 4: really exciting day because they've got the zoom and they said, look,
Speaker 4: there's going to be two hundred people on a thumbnail
Speaker 4: behind Jimmy Kimmel, and so, you know, she was on
Speaker 4: the screen and I didn't want to be on there
Speaker 4: because I thought, look at this is your moment. And
Speaker 4: then she said, just sit here and watch it so
Speaker 4: we can watch it together and it's not going to
Speaker 4: be big. And then when the broadcast came up, it
Speaker 4: was I think they must have assumed that she was
Speaker 4: going to be over his right shoulder, because she shuffled across.
Speaker 1: Like me, and the thumbnail of me was as big
Speaker 1: as Jimmy Kimmel.
Speaker 4: So I'm suddenly I've realized seeing that the feed, the
Speaker 4: live feed of the Emmys, that I'm over his shoulder
Speaker 4: as big as him.
Speaker 1: Seriously, like you were the one, not just because I
Speaker 1: know you, You're the first. My eye was drawn to
Speaker 1: you first, so I was there. It was not yet
Speaker 1: you were just there. It was there, and it.
Speaker 4: Couldn't you know, this is this big broadcast millions of
Speaker 4: people watching as sort of the Emmys. And then because
Speaker 4: it's I tried to sort of move behind him, but
Speaker 4: because things were reversed on the camera, you know, on
Speaker 4: the zoom camera, because I moved left, it was actually
Speaker 4: moving me more into frame.
Speaker 1: So it looked like this part of you played in
Speaker 1: your eddy.
Speaker 4: I wish i'd sort of slowly tried to just duck
Speaker 4: down and escape, but it wasn't just a quick shot.
Speaker 4: I was kind of sitting on his shoulder like Jiminy Cricket.
Speaker 4: For the opening monologue of the of the Emmys, which
Speaker 4: Sarah lost to Julia Garner. She's lost to Julia Gana twice,
Speaker 4: so not that I don't think she cares, but now
Speaker 4: I'll take that in episode.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm not having Garanner on the show. I
Speaker 1: don't not have Ghana apparently great in Ozak. I haven't
Speaker 1: seen it. She hasn't.
Speaker 4: She doesn't actually genuinely doesn't seem to care when it's like,
Speaker 4: well you didn't get the Emmy.
Speaker 1: It's it's an Emmy would But you know, I've only
Speaker 1: met Sarah once actually, and I was very thrilled to
Speaker 1: meet her at the at a Mardi Gras party, like
Speaker 1: just just pre pandemic. Actually yeah, right, I met both
Speaker 1: Sarah and Richard Roxborough, who I hadn't met either. It's
Speaker 1: kind of separately the same party become of you, and
Speaker 1: just like wow, that was like just thrilled to meet
Speaker 1: Sarah cause I had been a fan since Predestination and
Speaker 1: I said love Succession, and then Richard Roxburgh obviously we're
Speaker 1: all massive fans off so it was yeah, but she
Speaker 1: seems very chill about the whole, you know, like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so I think there was. I think
Speaker 4: because she's been nominated again for Lead Actress for Succession,
Speaker 4: but because of the strikes, was going to miss out ongoing.
Speaker 4: But for me, I would have been It's devastating because
Speaker 4: you don't get to go to the Emmy when you've
Speaker 4: been nominated.
Speaker 1: But Jesus, well, that's.
Speaker 4: You know, because she's doing a play next year in London.
Speaker 4: So and she's doing I just realized STC. She's doing
Speaker 4: Dory and Gray that is I'll tell you what. There's
Speaker 4: a few characters in that too to play.
Speaker 1: So I saw Laddy Melbourne the first kind of well
Speaker 1: still in the first time I played in Melbourne, and
Speaker 1: that is a tour de force of a role. And yeah,
Speaker 1: the performance I saw was amazing. I apologize. I'll try
Speaker 1: to get the name because I saw the understudy Nikky.
Speaker 1: I'm going to get it. I'm going to get it
Speaker 1: and I'll within the outro. It is amazing. And when
Speaker 1: then when I saw Sarah, I was doing it in
Speaker 1: Sydney and the STC I think she did in London.
Speaker 1: In London, I was doing in London like that is
Speaker 1: that will be where if you're in London with your
Speaker 1: tickets now, because I imagine she's not doing it for
Speaker 1: you know, three months, you know, it was about yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe three month, two months, three months. Yeah, grab tickets
Speaker 1: for that because it's one of the most amazing. It's
Speaker 1: as an amazing as Hamilton for me, like.
Speaker 4: People, we haven't seen it, but when you go, it's
Speaker 4: a one one person show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, playing twenty six characters. Twenty six characters, there's multi
Speaker 1: media stuff going on. It is. It is mind blowing,
Speaker 1: and I think for the when the opportunity came up,
Speaker 1: it was just this seems great. So that's me. I'm
Speaker 1: going to be.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm a I'm a plus one trophy husband and.
Speaker 1: Keep that going, keep that going. I do joke. You
Speaker 1: are one of my favorite performers. You are effortless, you
Speaker 1: Kevin cost in the kind of way you and I
Speaker 1: don't like using the term effortless because I must say
Speaker 1: someone's in reviews of my stand up gets thrown at me,
Speaker 1: which is obviously a compliment, but sometimes people don't realize
Speaker 1: the work that goes into making something look effortless, so
Speaker 1: I say it knowingly. But you do make it all
Speaker 1: lot very efflet You're very natural. Thank you. I appreciate.
Speaker 1: It's nice to hear. And now you finished at Toyota Race,
Speaker 1: because I might.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what though, if they called up, i'd
Speaker 4: The problem is we're older than the legends.
Speaker 1: Now we're not. That's why I don't work anymore.
Speaker 4: You can't have two old blokes kicking kick to kick
Speaker 4: with Dane Swan or something.
Speaker 1: Here we are. This comes with homework. I appreciate you
Speaker 1: doing it, and yeah, we'll see you again soon. Thanks Pete.
Speaker 1: If you build it, he will come. There you go.
Speaker 1: That was my great mate Dave Lawson, funny bloke. Love
Speaker 1: hanging out with him. Let me know what you thought
Speaker 1: of that episode. I mean, I hopefully you did. You
Speaker 1: enjoyed it. For a start, it was the first episode
Speaker 1: of You Ain't Seeing Nothing Yet where I had watched
Speaker 1: a movie, a classic movie that I hadn't seen before,
Speaker 1: and obviously neither of my guests has. But sometimes I've
Speaker 1: seen them and sometimes I haven't. I hadn't seen Feel
Speaker 1: the Dreams. It was highly anticipated for me, one of
Speaker 1: the films I've been embarrassed I hadn't seen. I think
Speaker 1: I was waiting for my kids to get to the
Speaker 1: age where I was going to watch it with them.
Speaker 1: I was gonna watch it on Father's Day, like I said,
Speaker 1: we never got it around to it, and then I
Speaker 1: was watching it for the podcast. I watched it by myself,
Speaker 1: and it was just a tiny bit underwhelmed, a tiny
Speaker 1: bit underwhelmed, and I felt when Dave said he loved it,
Speaker 1: I didn't want to talk him out of it. That's
Speaker 1: not the point of it, but I did need to
Speaker 1: discuss this is ingenuous for me to pretend to I
Speaker 1: love the film when I thought there were a lot
Speaker 1: of holes in the film, not to say it isn't
Speaker 1: a touching film. And if you have if your father's
Speaker 1: no longer with you, I can see how this would
Speaker 1: absolutely tear right through you. I really do. And despite
Speaker 1: it's failings, I think in a lot of the film,
Speaker 1: the end does hit even even you haven't gone along
Speaker 1: for the ride as much as they would want you to.
Speaker 1: Thank you to Dave, let me know what you think.
Speaker 1: Go to our speak pipe. I'd love to get your
Speaker 1: voices on the show and they out backing up a
Speaker 1: little bit. I will play some more next week, I promise,
Speaker 1: Or you can send me an outline at Yasney podcast
Speaker 1: dot com next week on the show. It's a big one.
Speaker 1: We going further back. We are going further back with
Speaker 1: a man who has done exceptional things both here and
Speaker 1: more so abroad. When I say a broad Broadway, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the creator and writer of Beetlejuice to Musical Ossie.
Speaker 1: Audiences know him from all of his stage appearances over
Speaker 1: the years. He was on Offspring and he's just one
Speaker 1: of our great talents. It is the great Eddie Perfect.
Speaker 1: We'll be joining me next week, and we're going further back.
Speaker 1: We are going further back. And American in Paris, that's right,
Speaker 1: And American in Paris predates Singing in the Rain. I
Speaker 1: think it was made the year or two before Singing
Speaker 1: in the Rain. And I cannot wait to watch it
Speaker 1: another one. I feel like we're really piling up this season.
Speaker 1: Another movie I have not seen that I'll be watching
Speaker 1: for the first time. Cannot wait. An American in Paris
Speaker 1: with an Aussie in Melbourne with any Perfect next week.
Speaker 1: And you won't say nothing yet until then. Take care.
Speaker 1: And so we leave old Pete save Van Salt, and
Speaker 1: to our friends of the radio audience, we've been a
Speaker 1: pleasant good night.