1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: Already and this is the daily This is the Daily OS. Oh, 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: now it makes sense. Good morning and welcome to the 3 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: Daily OOS. It's Tuesday, the sixteenth of December. 4 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 2: I'm Emma Gillespie, I'm Sam Kelowski. 5 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: On Sunday evening, a terror attack unfolded on the shores 6 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: of Australia's most recognized beach. Two gunmen, a father and son, 7 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: fired dozens of bullets at a Jewish community event in Bondai, 8 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: targeting crowds attending celebrations to mark the beginning of Hunaka. 9 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 1: At the time of recording, at least sixteen people are dead, 10 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: including one of the gunmen, and forty are injured. Among 11 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: those killed is a ten year old child. 12 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 3: His cowardly act of terrifying violence is shocking and painful 13 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 3: to see and represents some of our worst fears about 14 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 3: terrorism in Sydney. 15 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 4: Flagged well lie at half masted across the country today, 16 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 4: as we pay our respects to all those lost and 17 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:08,639 Speaker 4: all those who have been. 18 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: Injured, it's hard to make sense of this unspeakable tragedy 19 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: as the nation mourns one of the worst mass shootings 20 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: in Australian history. But today we want to bring you 21 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: up to speed with everything we know about the Bondai 22 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: beach attack and how Australia and the world is responding. 23 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 2: And this is a story that hits very close to 24 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 2: home for us at TDA and for me personally as well. 25 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 2: I've lived in Bondai my whole life. I'm a member 26 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 2: of the Jewish community there. I was in lockdown in 27 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 2: a building across the road from the site of the 28 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: shooting for a couple of hours on Sunday evening. It's 29 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 2: been one of the most surreal twenty four to forty 30 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 2: eight hour periods I can remember. Yeah, but it's dominating 31 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 2: headlines all around the world. We've seen a lot of misinformation. 32 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 2: So I think it would be helpful if you can 33 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 2: take us back to the start and we spend a 34 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 2: bit of time laying out how everything unfolded on Sunday afternoon. Yeah. 35 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 1: So it was a perfect summer evening in Bondai, as 36 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: you would have known, Sam being there yourself. It was 37 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: about six forty pm on Sunday when a series of 38 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: gun shots rang out near a local Jewish community gathering 39 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: right by the beach. Emergency services were called to the 40 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: scene and arrived there promptly where police located two men 41 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 1: using rifles and shotguns to fire into crowds of people. 42 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: Multiple videos posted to social media show those two gunmen 43 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: standing on a footbridge connecting Campbell Parade to the Bondai Pavilion, 44 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: a massively popular thoroughfare at that iconic site, firing shots 45 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: into the crowd. 46 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 2: Now. 47 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: Speaking at a press conference on Sunday night, New South 48 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: Wales Premier Chris Mins said the attack was quote designed 49 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: to target Sydney's Jewish community. 50 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 2: And we know that because police are saying the shooters 51 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 2: were clearly targeting a religious celebration in Bondai. It only 52 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 2: took a couple of hours for officials to make that declaration. 53 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 2: Tell me how they made that connection. 54 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, hundreds of people had gathered to celebrate the 55 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: start of the Jewish festival of Hanakah. There was this event, 56 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: Haneker by the Sea, which started at five pm in 57 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:25,519 Speaker 1: Bondi Beach Park, right next to a children's playground. And 58 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: this really was a family celebration in every sense. We 59 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: had live entertainment, activities, music games. It was billed as 60 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: a fun for all ages event on the promotions, the posters. 61 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: So there was that going on in the middle of 62 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: you know what is already typically a really popular and 63 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: busy part of Bondai, especially at this time of year. 64 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: People swimming in the beach, having picnics nearby, attending the 65 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: many restaurants and bars and venues surrounding festive celebrations. There 66 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: would have been several thousands of people in the vicinity, 67 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: but the gunmen were clearly aiming towards that gathering of 68 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: a Jewish community celebration. 69 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 2: And things changed very quickly. Give me the latest on 70 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 2: the death toll and do we know how many people 71 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 2: are injured. 72 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 1: At the time of recording, sixteen people are dead, Fifteen 73 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 1: of those killed were victims, and one gunman is dead. 74 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: So we heard Premier Chris Mins confirming the victims' age 75 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: Rangers on Monday morning as from as young as ten 76 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: to as old as eighty seven. He called that a 77 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 1: devastating fact. Now, in terms of the wounded, we know 78 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,799 Speaker 1: dozens of people were treated for injuries at the scene, 79 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: many hospitalized, many remain in a critical condition. At the 80 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: time of recording, thirty eight people remain in hospital and 81 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: three are believed to be children. We also have heard 82 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 1: from New South Wales police that two of their officers 83 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 1: suffered gunshot wounds as they exchanged fire with the two 84 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: gunmen at the scene, and at the time of recording, 85 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: those officers are in a critical but stable condition. 86 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,679 Speaker 2: We put up a post yesterday about the Jewish festival 87 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 2: of Hanuka, which was being celebrated there at the beach, 88 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 2: to give you a sense of the significance of the festival. 89 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 2: I heard somebody yesterday refer to the sort of celebration 90 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 2: that was taking place at bondais the Jewish equivalent to 91 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 2: carols by candlelight. It's kind of got that joyous mode 92 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 2: about it. There are quite a few Jewish festivals which 93 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 2: are somber and sad. This is not one of them. 94 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 2: This is about, as you said before, fun light, resilience, hope, 95 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 2: all of those kind of qualities, and Jewish communities all 96 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 2: around the world traditionally gather on that first night of 97 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 2: the eight night festival to celebrate together. That was where 98 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 2: the offenders were targeting, and that is why it's now 99 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 2: been declared by federal authorities as a terror attack. Give 100 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 2: me a sense of what it means when authorities say 101 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 2: that something is a terrorist incident, and what that changes yeah. 102 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: A terror attack essentially means that the motivations of the attackers, 103 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: the offenders are in some way politically motivated, religiously motivated. 104 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: It is a targeted attack. 105 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 2: That is designed to inflict terror as well and designed 106 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 2: to scare not just those at the beach, but all 107 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 2: of Australia exactly. 108 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: And also when we have an incident declared a terror incident, 109 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: it elevates the response from law enforcement authorities and that's 110 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: exactly what we have seen here in New South Wales. 111 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: So during a press conference late on Sunday night, the 112 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: New South Wales Police Commissioner mal Lanyon said that as 113 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 1: a result of the circumstances of the attack as we've 114 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: described Sam that he declared this to be a terrorist incident. However, 115 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 1: police are yet to speculate on motive or ideology. So 116 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 1: we know that it was a targeted anti Semitic attack, 117 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 1: but we don't yet have more detail on motive. Lanyon said, quote, 118 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: we will have a significant investstigation. No stone will be 119 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: left unturned. This type of disgraceful activity, this wanton use 120 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: of violence, the taking of innocent lives, is unacceptable. So 121 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: that terror declaration, as I mentioned, triggers a significant police response. 122 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: In this case, that's a joint counter terrorism operation between 123 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: the New South Wales Police Force, the Australian Federal Police, 124 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: the AFP and AZO, that is the National Security Agency. 125 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: It should also be noted and contributing to the nature 126 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: of this incident as a terror incident, two active improvised 127 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: explosive devices otherwise known as homemade bombs I suppose or 128 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: homemade explosives were found at the scene. They were removed 129 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: by New South Wales Police's Rescue and Bomb Disposal unit 130 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: and we're still waiting for more on the analysis of 131 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: those suspicious devices. 132 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 2: One of the key parts of the powers given to 133 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 2: police in a terrorism declaration is also the way that 134 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 2: they can search people and properties as well much faster. 135 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 2: They don't have to go through some of the regular 136 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 2: court systems, fee less of that red tape exactly. They 137 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 2: can move at speed, and they did that on Sunday night. 138 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 2: There was also this sense that there could have been 139 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 2: more threats to come on other religious institutions or events 140 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 2: around Sydney, but also the potential of a third perpetrator. 141 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 2: Do police believe still that there is an active threat 142 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 2: that remains and how much have they told us about 143 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 2: these perpetrators. 144 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, so authorities have said that the threat in Bondi 145 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: had been neutralized. That doesn't mean that investigators aren't on 146 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 1: alert for other potential threats or even retaliatory violence, but 147 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 1: it does mean that there's no evidence yet that we 148 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 1: have been made aware of to indicate that there is 149 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 1: that other threat. You're right, Sam, there was a bit 150 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: of confusion around how many perpetrators, how many gunmen talk 151 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: online of perhaps a third shooter, but in an update 152 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 1: on Monday, police confirmed they were satisfied that there were 153 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: two offenders involved in the shooting. One, a fifty year 154 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 1: old man, is deceased. The second is a twenty four 155 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,719 Speaker 1: year old man. Now he is in a critical but 156 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: stable condition in hospital under police guard. Police have also 157 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: confirmed that both gunmen were a father and son, so 158 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: we're talking about a father and son duo, and as 159 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: part of their investigations, counter Terror Police conducted two search 160 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: warrants on Sunday night. So the father and son were 161 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:33,239 Speaker 1: staying at a Campsy address. That's a suburb in Sydney's southwest, 162 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 1: but they lived in Bonnie Rig in the city's west, 163 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: so both properties were raided and. 164 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 2: So what did police find at those two properties. 165 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: We know that the fifty year old gunman, so that 166 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 1: is the gunman who died at the scene. He was 167 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: a licensed gun owner of six firearms. Commissioner Olnyon said 168 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: that he was satisfied that those six firearms were recovered 169 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: from the scene in Bondai on Sunday night. Year old 170 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: owned six guns, had licenses for them and used those 171 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: weapons to carry out this terror attack. Here's a little 172 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 1: bit more from the Police Commissioner. 173 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 3: We will continue to investigate this matter thoroughly. It's important 174 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 3: for the community to have the reassurance that New South 175 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 3: Wales Police, working with our Commonwealth partners, will not stop 176 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 3: until we understand the reasons behind this senseless incident and 177 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 3: take any available action that we need to do. 178 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: Now sam As this is an active investigation. Law enforcement 179 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: have been understandably guarded about certain details, but it is 180 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: understood and a point that has been of great public 181 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: interest that one of the men was also known to 182 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: Asio and New South Wales Police. Azeo said that he 183 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: was quote not in an immediate threat perspective, but obviously 184 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: he said, we need to look into what happened here. 185 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: That was the ASIO boss, Mike Burgers. So the AFP, 186 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: ASIO and New South Wales Police have promised to put 187 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: all available resources and specialist powers towards ensuring a thorough investigation. 188 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: But you can imagine there are a lot of questions 189 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: left unanswered about what known to ASIO means in this context. 190 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 2: And a lot of that questioning and a lot of 191 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 2: that interrogation by media and by members of the public 192 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 2: was directed towards the federal government, who primarily have a 193 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 2: responsibility to protect all citizens of Australia. Talk me through 194 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 2: the federal government's response, both on the Sunday night but 195 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 2: also in the day that has followed. 196 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: Yes, so we heard from the Prime Minister Anthony Alberanzi 197 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: on Sunday night in the immediate aftermath of the shooting, 198 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: as the details were really still coming to light, and 199 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: he condemned the attack in Bondi as an anti Semitic 200 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: act of pure evil. Albanizi said, in this moment of darkness, 201 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: we must be each other's light, hold on to the 202 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: true character of the country that we love. Australia is 203 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: stronger than the cowards who attacked innocent people. Today, he 204 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 1: offered his condolences to the Jewish community of Bondai and 205 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 1: the Jewish community right across the country. Here's a bit 206 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: more of what he had to say at a press 207 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: conference on Monday. 208 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 4: This was an attack deliberately targeted at the Jewish community 209 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 4: on the first day of Harnekah, which of course should 210 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 4: be a joyoush celebration, and the Jewish community are hurting today. 211 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 4: Today all Australians wrap our arms around them and say 212 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 4: we stand with you. We will do whatever is necessary 213 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 4: to stamp out any Semitism. It is a scourge and 214 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 4: we will eradicate it together. 215 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: Now we've also heard from the Federal Opposition leader Susan Lee. 216 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: She said, quote this attack occurred as our Jewish community 217 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: came together at Hanneker by the Sea. This was a 218 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: celebration of peace and hope for the future severed by hate. 219 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 2: And I'd love to pivot to the response that we 220 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 2: saw on the ground in Bondai. I walked out onto 221 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 2: a balcony in this locked down building and I don't 222 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 2: think I've ever seen more emergency vehicles. It felt like 223 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 2: I was looking at a car park of emergency vehicles. 224 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 2: We saw this massive effort. It wasn't just emergency respondents, 225 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 2: it was also civilians. What can you tell us about 226 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 2: this on the ground response. 227 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I suppose whenever we have these horrific events unfolding, 228 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: we also have the silver lining in the form of 229 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: our first responders and we see their work in real 230 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: time unfolding and saving lives. Albanezi and the New South 231 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: Wales Premier Chris Mins have really been at pains to 232 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: acknowledge the bravery of emergency services as well as civilians 233 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: on the ground in Bondai. Dominic Morgan is the Ambulance 234 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: Commissioner for New South Wales and they confirmed that first 235 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: crews were on the scene within less than ten minutes 236 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: of the first reports of the shooting, and more than 237 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty three personnel from New South Wales 238 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: Ambulance were in Bondai on Sunday night helping and working 239 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: with police. Commissioner Morgan made the point that first responders 240 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: learned some really important lessons from the Bondai Westfield stabbing attack. 241 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: Of course, so much pain and trauma in this one 242 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: pocket of Sydney, so the Commissioner Morgan said that command 243 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 1: structures were seamless on Sunday night that the ability for 244 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,319 Speaker 1: paramedics with the support of police to work in these 245 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: hot zones, he is absolutely convinced contributed to the saving 246 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: of lives that otherwise would have been lost. The Commissioner 247 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: said first responders that these scenes are quote an inspiration 248 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: to us all the way they put themselves in harm's way, 249 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: their courage and resilience, We all thank you. 250 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 2: He said. 251 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: Also, of course, am you've mentioned ordinary civilians. We saw 252 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: this incredible community response with a record turnout for blood 253 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: donation this week. Lifeblood put out a call out across 254 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: Sydney on Monday morning. By mid afternoon there were lines 255 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: queued up outside donation centers, hundreds of people wanting to 256 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: roll up their sleeves and do their bit. 257 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 2: I also wanted to shout out the lifeguards and yes 258 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 2: voluntary self life savers at Bondai, who were on the 259 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 2: scene almost straight away. Remarkable vision of patients being carried 260 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 2: away on life saving boards which are being used as stretchers. 261 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 2: These are regular people volunteering for shifts or working at 262 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 2: the beach. And then in a whole other part of 263 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 2: the events that were unfolding, there's one civilian in particular 264 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 2: who's gone viral for their contribution, right exactly. 265 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: You probably by now have seen that viral footage of 266 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: a man believed to be Ahmed al Ahmed. He is 267 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: a fruit shop owner from Sutherland in Sydney's Shire who 268 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: confronted one of the gunmen, wrestled the firearm from him 269 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: and pointed it towards the gunman. He is rightly being 270 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: celebrated as a hero around the world. It's believed he 271 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: was shot in the arm at the scene, but is 272 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: recovering in hospital, not even sure if he realizes the 273 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: impact that he's had on his community and the world. 274 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: Even US President Donald Trump shouted him out, saying, quote, 275 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: there's a very very brave person who went and attacked 276 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: frontally one of the shows and saved a lot of lives. 277 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: Great respect to that man that did that. 278 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 2: Something tells me he's going to have a very good 279 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 2: week of sales the at his fruit shop, as he should, 280 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 2: and maybe many more weeks to come. But you mentioned 281 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 2: that we have heard from the US president. How have 282 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 2: other world leaders responded to this. It feels like Bondai 283 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 2: is the center of the world right now. 284 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it can be hard. I guess for us 285 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: in the thick of it to really zoom out and 286 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: realize how this has had an impact globally. But it 287 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: has reached every corner of the world and we've seen 288 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: an outpouring of condolences from international leaders. King Charles gave 289 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: his condolences and said, my wife, Queen Camilla, and I 290 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: are appalled and saddened by the most dreadful anti Semitic 291 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: terrorist attack. I know that the spirit of community and 292 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: love that shines so brightly in Australia and the light 293 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: at the heart of the Hunuker Festival, will always triumph 294 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: over the darkness of such evil. British PM Ki Starma 295 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: also said his thoughts and prayers are with those murdered 296 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: in the terrorist attack on Bondai Beach and their families. 297 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: French President Emmanuel Macron said France shares the pain of 298 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 1: the Australian people and will continue to fight relentlessly against 299 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: the anti Semitic hatred that wounds us all and New 300 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: Zealand Prime Minister Christopher Luxen said Australia and New Zealand 301 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: are closer than friends, we are family. I am shocked 302 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: by the distressing scenes at Bondai, and that is just 303 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: the tip of the iceberg. Sam every corner of the 304 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: globe there has been that sentiment coming out world leaders 305 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: in support of Australia and in support of the Jewish community. 306 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 2: It's impossible to separate the events in Bondai from the 307 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 2: war that's been happening in the Middle East that started 308 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 2: on October seven, twenty twenty three. It's led to commentary 309 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 2: from Israeli politicians as to the conditions in Australia. The 310 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 2: Australian government's response tell me about that reaction from Israel's 311 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 2: parliament well. 312 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 1: Prime Minister Benjamin Netanya, who has used very strong language 313 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: to condemn not only this attack, but to criticize the 314 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 1: federal government's decision to recognize Palestinian statehood. He's called Anthony 315 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: Albanese's leadership week and has been very very clear on 316 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: his condemnation of Albanese's leadership. Netnya, who said he had 317 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: warned the government a few months ago that it was 318 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: promoting and encouraging antisemitism in Australia by calling for a 319 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: Palestinian state. Those were Netanyahu's words earlier in the year. 320 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 1: He said he called upon the PM to quote, replace 321 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: weakness with action. He said that instead, Prime Minister, you 322 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: replaced weakness with weakness and appeasement with more appeasement. Your 323 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: government did nothing to stop the spread of antisemitism. You 324 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: let the disease spread and the result is the horrific 325 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: attacks on Jews. 326 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 2: We saw at Bondai, very strong words there from Nennahu 327 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 2: and there is clearly a lot of hurt and anger 328 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 2: in the community. In my view, it's turned political quite fast. 329 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 2: How has Albanzi responded to those comments from the Israeli 330 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 2: Prime Minister. 331 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 1: Well, at the time of recording, he hasn't directly responded 332 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: to those criticisms from the Israeli Prime Minister. We have heard, though, 333 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: in terms of an Australian perspective on this issue, we 334 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: have heard from the Special Envoy against Anti Semitism, Jillian Siegel, 335 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: who did say the messaging and education about how Jewish 336 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: hatred harmed the community had been inadequate. So Siegel told 337 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 1: ABC Radio quote, Unfortunately, I have to say that I've 338 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: been holding my breath fearing that something like this would happen, 339 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 1: because it hasn't come without warning. The PM, rather than 340 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: kind of directly addressing these criticisms. Has said though that 341 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: now is not the time to kind of go there. 342 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: He said, now is the time for national unity. He 343 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 1: has vowed to stamp out antisemitism and he has continued 344 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 1: to condemn these attacks as pure evil. 345 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 2: And the Prime Minister visited the site of the shooting 346 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 2: very early on Monday morning and was, I believe the 347 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 2: first two lay flowers at what is now a large 348 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 2: memorial there at the beach, give me a sense of 349 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 2: what happens from here. I mean, there's going to be 350 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 2: you would imagine months of inquiries and investigations into this, 351 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 2: but what can we kind of expect from the next 352 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 2: days and weeks. 353 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: Absolutely, you're right, there will no doubt be calls and 354 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 1: questions about these inquiries and next steps. Federal and state 355 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:19,360 Speaker 1: leaders are continuing to hold talks. So on Monday yesterday, 356 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 1: Anthony Albanezi held an emergency meeting with state and territory 357 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: leaders late in the afternoon that came amid calls for 358 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: a report on anti Semitism to be implemented. The National 359 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: Security Committee, that is a group made up of the 360 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: Prime Minister, senior ministers, federal police, and Azio also met 361 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: on Monday afternoon to discuss next steps their second meeting 362 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 1: in twenty four hours, which is quite unprecedented for that group. Now, 363 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: what we can expect is that this is not going away. 364 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: This is an incident that will be forever embedded into 365 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:00,160 Speaker 1: the pages of Australia's modern history for very sadly all 366 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: the wrong reasons. Sunday's attack is Australia's worst modern day 367 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: mass shooting since the Port Arthur massacre in nineteen ninety six, 368 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 1: a day that changed Australia and our gun laws forever. 369 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 1: Thirty five people were killed in that massacre by gunman 370 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: Martin Bryant. But this incident is the deadliest anti Semitic 371 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: act in the nation's history. This is a moment that 372 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 1: will change us forever. But there is so much that 373 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: we just don't know yet. We're learning more and more 374 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: by the hour, and as we continue to hear about 375 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: those developments, we will continue to share them with our 376 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: audience here on the podcast, on our Instagram feed across 377 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: all TDA channels. So I suppose you know watch this 378 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 1: space and plenty to come. 379 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 2: Thank you for taking us through that and a really 380 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 2: difficult topic. And I think that you've embodied the way 381 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 2: that we're trying to do things here at TDA, which 382 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 2: is get down to the facts, explain things for us 383 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 2: all and promote as much good information as we can find. 384 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 2: Thank you, Sam, and that's all we've got time for today. 385 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 2: For you as well, please look after yourself and each 386 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 2: other and remember that support is always available. New South 387 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 2: Wales Health has a dedicated mental health line available twenty 388 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 2: four to seven on one eight hundred zero one one 389 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 2: five one one. Lifeline is also available twenty four seven 390 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 2: on one three one one one four and our thoughts 391 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 2: are with everyone recovering in hospital at the moment. My 392 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 2: name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda Bunjelung 393 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 2: Kalkotin woman from Gadighl Country. The Daily oz acknowledges that 394 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 2: this podcast is recorded on the lands of the Gadighl 395 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 2: people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait 396 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 2: Island and nations. We pay our respects to the first 397 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,959 Speaker 2: peoples of these countries, both past and present.