WEBVTT - Closure. If you know the what, the why doesn't matter. Or does it?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey guys, and welcome back to another episode of Life

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<v Speaker 1>One Cut. I'm Brittany and I'm not Laura, Like, hello, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>This is our Tuesday episode, our big media episode, but

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<v Speaker 1>we have something a little bit different today. We have

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<v Speaker 1>produced a Keisha on board, and I shouldn't say we

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<v Speaker 1>produce a Keisha has replaced co host Laura, not for long,

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<v Speaker 1>just for one very short moment in timeout for the

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<v Speaker 1>intro today because very unfortunately, Laura had a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a family emergency and little Lola Derby took a turn

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<v Speaker 1>over night and got quite sick. She's doing fine, she's okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but they did have to be admitted into the hospital,

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<v Speaker 1>so they had been in there today and tomorrow, so

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<v Speaker 1>she couldn't record even if she wanted to. But we're like,

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<v Speaker 1>you just go focus on that and we will sort

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<v Speaker 1>something out. And the result is produce a Kisha. Produce

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<v Speaker 1>a Kisha. Welcome to Life on Cut. I will thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Very nice to be here, very nice to be on

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<v Speaker 1>the microphone here, I should say, But usually on the

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<v Speaker 1>other side, I'm usually just sitting over there in the corner,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're more dressed than what you usually are when

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<v Speaker 1>you record. Just with Laura. So so, guys, usually we're

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<v Speaker 1>in our undies and we have no makeup on, but

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<v Speaker 1>I have a face of makeup. I've even got fake eyelashes.

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<v Speaker 1>I did have to go in and do a presentation today.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not for me.

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<v Speaker 2>She hasn't put all this on for me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not for you. It's also not for a boy.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's literally I had a job today. Keisha came

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<v Speaker 1>in with me. Laura was also supposed to come. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean talk about us thriving in chaos. Laura and I

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<v Speaker 1>always say we thriving chaos. We were supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>on this panel, a big international podcast panel, really big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>It was being streamed to Europe, the UK, in America

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<v Speaker 1>and obviously there were people there as well, and we

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<v Speaker 1>were supposed to be yes speaking about podcasting and the

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<v Speaker 1>success and giving our tips, and then especially about the

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<v Speaker 1>discussion group that was kind of this special thing that

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<v Speaker 1>they wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>To hear about.

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<v Speaker 1>They wanted to hear about you everybody is in the

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<v Speaker 1>discussion group and how kind of it's created a community

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<v Speaker 1>of its own. Yeah, they were more frothing on you guys,

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<v Speaker 1>the community than they were ourselves. So we were like

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to know anything about our lot as

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<v Speaker 1>a community. So last minute, Laura had to pull out

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<v Speaker 1>of that, so I had to go and fly solo

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<v Speaker 1>with no prep. So fine, but thank god Keisha came

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<v Speaker 1>to cheer from me out the back. She was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing great, sweetie, like keep it up.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually was Chris Jenna, like you're doing great, sweetie, going.

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<v Speaker 1>Doing the thumbs up. You really didn't you really wear

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Janna. So anyway, everyone that put Laura and little

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<v Speaker 1>Lolla Derby in your thoughts today, Now this is just

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<v Speaker 1>the intro because luckily the day before Lola took a turn,

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<v Speaker 1>we did record the bulk of the episode. And just

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, actually, Keisha, this episode slightly because of you.

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<v Speaker 1>So why don't you introduce the episode? Well, I think

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<v Speaker 1>I'll start by saying that when I f I started

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<v Speaker 1>working with you guys, it was around the time that

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<v Speaker 1>you told everyone you were dating Jordan, and you got

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<v Speaker 1>so many messages and they were pretty funny.

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<v Speaker 2>They all said, I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Really happy for you, I'm so glad that you finally

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<v Speaker 1>found love, but I'm actually slightly upset because it means

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<v Speaker 1>that you're not going to be sharing the shit show

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<v Speaker 1>of a.

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<v Speaker 2>Time that you have in the dating world anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>The support was very questionable from you guys at the start.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt the loved but I also felt they well

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<v Speaker 1>fear no more. You brought on a producer that is

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<v Speaker 1>in the trenches with you guys in the dating world,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is kind of the slight inspiration for today's episode.

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<v Speaker 1>It is all about closure, and a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>messages that we get to Instagram and to the Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>are all about you know, I feel like I just

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<v Speaker 1>want closure from this situation, and I have had a

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<v Speaker 1>very interesting couple of weeks. Kisha has definitely taken over

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<v Speaker 1>the reins for the shit show of dating that I

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<v Speaker 1>used to hold, and I'm very happy to have hit

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<v Speaker 1>those over to you. You literally came into life on

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<v Speaker 1>Cutt's life at the exact time, right when we needed

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<v Speaker 1>those shitty dating stories. So thank you. But yeah, this

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<v Speaker 1>episode is all about closure, and I've kind of had

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of an experience in the last couple of

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<v Speaker 1>weeks where basically I went through a pretty tumultuous relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a quite toxic.

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<v Speaker 1>Relationship and over the course of time, you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>broke up multiple times.

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<v Speaker 2>It was one of those ones and be.

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<v Speaker 1>On again, off again. Well, I noticed that the first.

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<v Speaker 2>Time that we broke up.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, for me, it was only three weeks after

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<v Speaker 1>this guy had told me that he loved me for

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<v Speaker 1>the first time. Red flag, Yeah, a whole bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>red flags that I was disguising as pink hues shades

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<v Speaker 1>of red at the time. I remember thinking, like, how

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<v Speaker 1>the fuck am I gonna get over this? I don't

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<v Speaker 1>understand how things have changed so quickly, and I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I need the answers. I need to fit these

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<v Speaker 1>pieces of the puzzle together so that I actually know.

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<v Speaker 2>What has happened here, so that I can get over it.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, A couple of broke ups later, I saw him

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time since we've broken up last week.

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<v Speaker 1>Not by your sort of stalker ish, wasn't it. It

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<v Speaker 1>was like, and I don't know if we encourage this

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<v Speaker 1>or we discourage this day. It definitely wasn't romantic, but

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<v Speaker 1>I saw him for the first time, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>one of those moments that you know when you're in

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<v Speaker 1>the midst of a breakup and you kind of think, gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really looking forward to the day that the thought

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<v Speaker 1>of this person doesn't upset me, or seeing them doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>upset me, or I just want closure from this situation.

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<v Speaker 1>I realized when I saw him that I didn't actually

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<v Speaker 1>need closure. I didn't need the conversation, I didn't need

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<v Speaker 1>any of that. And it was one of those really

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<v Speaker 1>nice moments for me where I looked back and I went, Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>this same person, you know, because I've been through multiple

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<v Speaker 1>breakups with them. The first time I really felt like

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<v Speaker 1>I needed closure, and this time I didn't. And it

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<v Speaker 1>was really actually quite nice to look at the personal

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<v Speaker 1>growth that I've experienced from that situation. So, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of thought maybe we should do an episode on closure.

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<v Speaker 1>We seem to get a whole bunch of messages about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe we can kind of unpack that a little bit. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're gonna talk about closure. Do we really need it?

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<v Speaker 1>And if so, why, and what are the personality types

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<v Speaker 1>that feel like they need it more than others? But

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think? I mean? To me, I feel like,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know, hindsight it's a beautiful thing, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think when you're in a relationship and it's early days

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<v Speaker 1>and you're going through multiple breakups straight away, to me,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a red flag. Like if Jordan nine the last

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<v Speaker 1>six months had broken up and gone back together three times.

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<v Speaker 1>To me, that's like, this is supposed to be the

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<v Speaker 1>best time of a relationship, the beginning. I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 1>this to you. I'm just like, you know, having a discussion.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's like the honeymoon phase. If you are having

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<v Speaker 1>that many problems and that much of a tumultuous relationship

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<v Speaker 1>in the first like two, three, four, six months, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you should never have that many problems. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>of it as that's supposed to be the most like

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<v Speaker 1>all consuming, loving, smitten, sickeningly, disgustingly loved up time of

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<v Speaker 1>your life. And if you're like breaking up constantly, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like you're never going to get to the finish line.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny going through that experience. That was the first

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<v Speaker 1>time I've kind of had one of those stars of relationships.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think it's kind of the boiling pot analogy.

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<v Speaker 1>You know how they say that you can have a

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<v Speaker 1>frog in a pot and if you just gradually heat

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<v Speaker 1>it up, it doesn't realize that the water's getting hot

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<v Speaker 1>around it. It was that I didn't realize there were

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<v Speaker 1>these little things that happened at the start that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of started getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger,

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<v Speaker 1>and by the time I kind of realized what was

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<v Speaker 1>going on. And I mean, I'm to blame for it

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<v Speaker 1>as well, and I'm not saying that this other person

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<v Speaker 1>is completely at fault. It was one of those situations

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<v Speaker 1>that I think I just gradually became desensitized to, and

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of misinterpreted the toxic nature of it for

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<v Speaker 1>passion common misconception. It happens. It happens to the best

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<v Speaker 1>of us. It really does. And we've spoken about it before,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think that that is something that happens a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>And we get to this point where we're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a boring relationship. He doesn't love me as

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<v Speaker 1>much as my last relationship because my last relationship he

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<v Speaker 1>was so jealous and he was so needy, and that's love,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'm telling you now, it's not love. Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>started to think that that was quite thrilling, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think I became desensitized to just how fucked up it was.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, probably vice versa, he would probably be

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<v Speaker 1>saying the same thing about me. I have a friend

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<v Speaker 1>his name is Brad and he used to say this

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<v Speaker 1>thing to me back years ago. So it's a bit

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<v Speaker 1>sad that I haven't learned this until now. But here

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<v Speaker 1>we are. He used to say, if you know the what,

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<v Speaker 1>the why doesn't matter love that. Yeah. So he was like, Caish,

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<v Speaker 1>if you know that someone doesn't want to be with you,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter why.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that they don't want to be with you,

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<v Speaker 2>So that's it, move on.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what I mean. I'm lucky that I'm in

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<v Speaker 1>a really beautiful place in my life, only because I've

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<v Speaker 1>gone through so much shit to get here. And I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't always like this, but I'm in a place where

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<v Speaker 1>I honestly am like that. And I was talking to

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan about this last night because I wanted his opinion

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<v Speaker 1>on it. I'm like, if I broke up with you tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, out of nowhere because we're so great, would

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<v Speaker 1>you be all right to move on? Or would you

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<v Speaker 1>want to come and meet me and have a sit

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<v Speaker 1>down talk because you need answers and you need to

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<v Speaker 1>know why. And he's like, god no, And then I

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<v Speaker 1>was a bit like, what, You're not going to fight

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<v Speaker 1>for me? And it like started our own fight. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, what do you mean, You're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>fight for me? He's like, if you told me you

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to be with me, because I don't really care,

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<v Speaker 1>He's like why, He's like, I want to be with

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<v Speaker 1>someone that wants to be with me and if for

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<v Speaker 1>whatever reason, and then I was a bit like five

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<v Speaker 1>for me, God damn it. But I'm the same if

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<v Speaker 1>someone said to me, now, I don't want to be

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<v Speaker 1>with you, of course I would ask why, and I

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<v Speaker 1>would prefer to know. But it's not the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the world. If they wanted to ghost me, I know

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<v Speaker 1>that I could still move on just fine, because I

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<v Speaker 1>did it when I ended my two year relationship with

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<v Speaker 1>the sociopath. Trust me, I did not get answers for

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<v Speaker 1>a long time. For over a year, that guy, that

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<v Speaker 1>man was not going to speak to me, and in

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<v Speaker 1>all honesty, I was a bit scared to speak to him,

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<v Speaker 1>but I didn't get any closure. But I was like, cool,

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<v Speaker 1>that was not meant for me, and that was pretty

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<v Speaker 1>fucked up. So I'm just going to get on with it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that the one thing that I will add

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<v Speaker 1>is that I do like a lot of the people who.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen to this podcast have anxiety.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that when you have had an anxious brain,

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<v Speaker 1>if you go through a situation like I did initially

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<v Speaker 1>with this same person, for me, it had just gone

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<v Speaker 1>from so good to so bad so quickly that I

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of left with so many questions. And when

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<v Speaker 1>you have an anxious brain, you tend to catastrophize things

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<v Speaker 1>and tend to kind of just go over it over

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<v Speaker 1>and over and over, and you will come to the

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<v Speaker 1>worst case answer unless you're given something else. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think that that was something that I've kind of had

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<v Speaker 1>to try and train out of myself, because I will

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<v Speaker 1>naturally jump to, well, this must be what happened, and

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<v Speaker 1>that must be what occurred, and that's why they've broken

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<v Speaker 1>up with me, and it is not good for your

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<v Speaker 1>confidence or your ego. And I think that's the other

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<v Speaker 1>thing as well, is when you kind of have to

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<v Speaker 1>distinguish the difference between is this your ego that's hurting

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<v Speaker 1>or is it your heart that's hurting. Is this actually

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<v Speaker 1>really upsetting me because I thought that I would have

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<v Speaker 1>this life with this person and now all of a

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<v Speaker 1>sudden that's been taken away. Or is this just a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a blow to my ego because this person

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't want to be with me, and I'm upset that

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<v Speaker 1>they don't see that I'm amazing. Yeah, like why like

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<v Speaker 1>come to the party, don't you know what? How lucky

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<v Speaker 1>you are? We've all been there. But before we get

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<v Speaker 1>into that, I guess what. Okay, I have another question

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<v Speaker 1>for you. How would you feel if you saw your

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<v Speaker 1>ex or if he saw you online dating? Would that

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<v Speaker 1>be cool? Are you at a place that that would

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<v Speaker 1>shock and hurt you? Or would you just wish there

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<v Speaker 1>was a possibility that you never had to see him

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<v Speaker 1>on there.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, I wish that there was.

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<v Speaker 1>A possibility I never had to see him in general. Again, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I wish there was a possibility to get rid of that. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well I can't do that, but I read something really

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<v Speaker 1>interesting today. Tinder have just brought in a new feature

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<v Speaker 1>and you can now block certain people in your life

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<v Speaker 1>from seeing your profile. So you can put in your

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<v Speaker 1>I think you just put in their phone number, so

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<v Speaker 1>you have to have the contact If you put in

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<v Speaker 1>the phone number into Tinder, and it will block that

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<v Speaker 1>person from being able to see I think that's bloody brilliant.

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<v Speaker 1>There were so many people I was trying to avoid

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<v Speaker 1>when when I was on the dating circuit, especially like

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like this makes me sound really sad, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, single six years in BONDI that's not that

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<v Speaker 1>many people in bond eye Like I turned through some days,

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<v Speaker 1>there were definitely some people and whether they were like flatmates, friends, ex's,

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<v Speaker 1>work colleagues, there were people that, like you just didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to see on there, and I wish at the

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<v Speaker 1>time I could have blocked them, But you can do

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<v Speaker 1>that now. I thought that this feature would have already

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<v Speaker 1>been a thing, like surely I thought that there would

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<v Speaker 1>be a button where it's like hide by a profile

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<v Speaker 1>from that person. See. I think that's really good actually,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that that should be something they bring

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<v Speaker 1>in so you can do it as you go, because

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<v Speaker 1>you might not have a contacts number. But it does

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<v Speaker 1>present another problem. Some people have come out on Reddit

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<v Speaker 1>and all these conversation chains and they're like, this is

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<v Speaker 1>all well and good. You can block your ex, but

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<v Speaker 1>what about the fact that you could block your current

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<v Speaker 1>partner or your partner's friends and just have a field

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<v Speaker 1>day cheating. Well, how many times we've had a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people writing actually we had one only on an

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<v Speaker 1>ask gun. I think two weeks ago where a work

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<v Speaker 1>colleague went to Queensland on a trip and saw her

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<v Speaker 1>colleague's husband on Tinder. He's obviously gone away, and thought that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he's far enough away he's not gonna know anyone.

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<v Speaker 1>What are the odds she's seen it? And then she's like,

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<v Speaker 1>Holy Molly, do I tell my colleague that I saw

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<v Speaker 1>her husband on Tinder? So it gets to a point

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<v Speaker 1>where you could go through your phone. I mean, hypothetically,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope no one does this, but you could go

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<v Speaker 1>through and block your partner and all your partner's friends

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<v Speaker 1>or your family or their family, and then go to town. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>for starters, I think you'd hope that if you were

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<v Speaker 1>going to cheat on your partner, your partner wasn't also

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<v Speaker 1>on Tinder, right imagine if you both like that would

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<v Speaker 1>kind of be like, ah, well you were doing it

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<v Speaker 1>to me too.

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<v Speaker 2>But also I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Think you'd have all the phone numbers of your partner's friends,

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<v Speaker 1>would you. I mean, if this is clutching at straws,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that if someone's going to go to that

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<v Speaker 1>much effort to get away with cheating, they've probably got

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<v Speaker 1>like a whole bag of tricks up their sleep, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they're gonna get caught anyway, if anyone's listening.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not encouraged this and don't do it if you

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<v Speaker 1>always get caught, like always, all right, producer Keisha. Before

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<v Speaker 1>we get into the episode, we have our favorite segment

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<v Speaker 1>accidentally unfiltered. This is not your first radio Do you

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<v Speaker 1>want to kick start? Yes? I do.

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<v Speaker 2>And firstly, thanks to everyone who sends these through.

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<v Speaker 1>It's often like the three of us kind of scrolling

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<v Speaker 1>through and having a good old giggle. Sometimes they think

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<v Speaker 1>that they will come in at such funny times of

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<v Speaker 1>the night and my housemates will just hear me, like

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<v Speaker 1>start cracking up laughing, and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Wonder whether they know what I'm laughing at. Okay, here's

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<v Speaker 2>one for you.

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<v Speaker 1>So a few years back, my boyfriend at the time

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<v Speaker 1>and I were out for lunch and he had invited

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<v Speaker 1>along one of his work colleagues. And I'd never met

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<v Speaker 1>this work colleague before. So we're sitting there, we're having

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<v Speaker 1>lunch when we're chatting about everything, and the conversation went

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<v Speaker 1>to tattoos and I started telling him about this guy

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<v Speaker 1>that my girlfriend had previously hooked up with. She told

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<v Speaker 1>me that he had a suck Me Off Beautiful tattoo

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<v Speaker 1>across his underline. So he's a cat. Is something you

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<v Speaker 1>want to take home to your mama, darling? I proceeded

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<v Speaker 1>to say, I mean, how gross is that? Why the

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<v Speaker 1>hell would you get anything like that tattooed on your body?

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<v Speaker 1>Every girl is gonna think that You're absolutely disgusting. You

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<v Speaker 1>can only imagine my face when this guy looks at

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<v Speaker 1>me straight in the eyes, stands up, the top of

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<v Speaker 1>his trousers down and starts bursting out. Last, did he

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<v Speaker 1>have sight suck me off Beautiful and tattooed on the

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<v Speaker 1>top of his undeline? RIPENI fuck my life? How small

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<v Speaker 1>can this world get? I'm still embarrassed to this day.

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<v Speaker 1>What firstly, bro go and get a laser removal. No

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<v Speaker 1>one's the time, but I don't care what bet you lost. Secondly,

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<v Speaker 1>what are the odds that you're telling a story this

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<v Speaker 1>happened to your friend? Your friends slept with someone, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's the person sitting across from here. It's probably in

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<v Speaker 1>probably want to has anyone else slept with this person?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you ride in? Yes? Send a message if you've

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<v Speaker 1>slept with the guy that specifically has a tattoo that

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<v Speaker 1>reads suck me off beautiful tattooed on his undeyline. Have

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<v Speaker 1>you gone for me? Yeah? I do. My one is

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<v Speaker 1>like proper cooked. I feel a bit gross reading it,

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<v Speaker 1>but whatever. So the other day I came home from

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<v Speaker 1>work and I was putting my stuff down on the

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<v Speaker 1>kitchen bench when my three month old kitten jumped up

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<v Speaker 1>to say. As I was patting him, I noticed something

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<v Speaker 1>on his fur. It was as though he had gotten

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<v Speaker 1>into something and it spilled in him, sort of like milk.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it had me rattled. Everything I could think of

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<v Speaker 1>was nowhere in sight. Then I remembered something. I remembered

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<v Speaker 1>how only a few weeks prior, my partner was telling

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<v Speaker 1>me that he was trying to have a little sexy

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<v Speaker 1>alone time, but the kitten kept trying to swipe his

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<v Speaker 1>balls while he was doing it. Had suddenly clicked in

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<v Speaker 1>this moment. I turned to him as he finished descending

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<v Speaker 1>the stairs, and I said, Babe, did you come on

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<v Speaker 1>the cat? His face went from laughing to shocked, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's when I knew. I burst into laughed at he

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<v Speaker 1>dropped to the ground. Turns out he was doing his

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<v Speaker 1>thing and had mistaken the cat for an item of clothing.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait wait, wait, wait wait wait, mistaken the cat for

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<v Speaker 1>an iseam of clothing for it? How do you do that?

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<v Speaker 1>How do you either you have like shot it out

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<v Speaker 1>and it has intercepted it as it's like a running

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<v Speaker 1>or you're a sicko or you're blind and whatever out.

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<v Speaker 1>Surely they surely they shoot it out, don't they don't

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<v Speaker 1>men just try and see how far it can go?

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<v Speaker 2>Surely not?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think so. I reckon it keeps people out

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<v Speaker 1>there being like one hundred percent they have at least

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<v Speaker 1>once in their life they want to know like what

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<v Speaker 1>power and distance they have because they think it's like

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<v Speaker 1>they think it means their swimmers are stronger and things,

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<v Speaker 1>so like I can guarantee you velocity to them. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you know what's actually really interesting? Can you all ask

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<v Speaker 1>your partners in your life if they have ever done this,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's a thing that men do where they want

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<v Speaker 1>to test the power of their sperm. We're gonna put

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<v Speaker 1>a pole up and I'm gonna ask you. I want

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<v Speaker 1>you to vote on behalf of the men. You're like

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<v Speaker 1>super curious. I'm gonna say yes, I'm gonna I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>say more people have done that once in their life.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you gonna do? That's pretty cooked and a

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<v Speaker 1>bit fucked us. I'm not saying it's not cooked. Well anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>it was lovely to join you for the intro. But

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<v Speaker 1>don't worry, guys, I'm not on the rest of the episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Your gal Laura is about to join you right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for coming on, Keisha. We are in my

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<v Speaker 1>lounge room. We are clothes though, so it's so different.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really know what to do with it looking

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<v Speaker 1>at someone's but we've loved having you and I'm so

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<v Speaker 1>glad you guys all got to meet producer Keisha because

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<v Speaker 1>she is very big behind the scenes these days and

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<v Speaker 1>she helps Laura and I out incredibly, So thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for coming, and guys, let's get into the episode, all right.

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<v Speaker 3>So on today's episode, we are talking about closure and now.

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<v Speaker 3>The reason why we decided.

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<v Speaker 1>To do a whole media episode on the topic is

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<v Speaker 1>because you'll asked about it all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Honestly, it's one of the things where and we get

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<v Speaker 3>it in so many different variations, but one of the

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<v Speaker 3>most common ask gun cut questions that we receive is

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<v Speaker 3>the constant question of my boyfriend or my girlfriend has

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<v Speaker 3>just broken up with me and I didn't see it

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<v Speaker 3>coming and I don't know how to move on, And

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<v Speaker 3>I guess like the bigger picture of this is unpacking closure.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you receive closure? How important is receiving closure to

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<v Speaker 3>be able to move on from a relationship? And what

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<v Speaker 3>are all the different aspects of gaining closure if you

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<v Speaker 3>feel like you've been ghosted or you haven't been left

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<v Speaker 3>with all the information and the tool that you need

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<v Speaker 3>to put a relationship to bed. And at the start,

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<v Speaker 3>when Laura and I were like, cool, let's unpack closure

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<v Speaker 3>straight away, I was like, when we say to each other,

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<v Speaker 3>because we always do this before we go into our research,

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<v Speaker 3>we ask each other's opinion straight off the bat, what

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<v Speaker 3>do you think about this?

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<v Speaker 1>How do you feel about it? And straight away I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I have never really felt like I'm needed closure.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like I'm someone gives me bad news and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, cool, I'm just gonna move on, but like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a.

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<v Speaker 3>Fly risk, I also go to an other country and

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<v Speaker 3>like deal with my heartbreak by being in Barcelona.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I used to just bury it and well,

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, I was like, I didn't think I

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<v Speaker 1>needed it, But I also had other coping mechanisms where

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<v Speaker 1>I was dealing with it, where in my head I'm like, cool,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't need to deal with it, but I was.

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<v Speaker 1>But when I started to really have a deep dive

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<v Speaker 1>and think about my past, I wasn't always like that.

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<v Speaker 1>There were times in the early days in my early

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<v Speaker 1>relationships were all I wanted, and I remember turning up

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<v Speaker 1>to my ex's house on the doorstep in tears, inconsolable,

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<v Speaker 1>saying why tell me, like, just tell me, why give

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<v Speaker 1>me a reason? I needed the closure, and I honestly

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<v Speaker 1>believed that I could never ever move on until I

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<v Speaker 1>got that closure. And then I've realized as the years

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<v Speaker 1>went by, as I got a little bit older, a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit wiser, and a little bit more shut on,

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<v Speaker 1>I realized I didn't really need what I thought I needed.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we started to get into this, Okay, is

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<v Speaker 1>closure for everyone? What does closure mean to everybody? Because

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<v Speaker 1>the closure is subjective, it is the meaning is different

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<v Speaker 1>for every single person, and.

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<v Speaker 3>It's also different case by case relationship as well. Like

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<v Speaker 3>we do have a tendency as humans to want to

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<v Speaker 3>package something up and to make sense of something in

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<v Speaker 3>our minds and go, okay, this is the reason. Let's

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<v Speaker 3>put a nice bow around everything and pop it to

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<v Speaker 3>the side, which means I can now progress onto the

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<v Speaker 3>next thing. Everybody approaches the need for closure differently, and like,

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<v Speaker 3>for example, if you've been in a long term relationship,

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<v Speaker 3>your need for closure, if your partner was just to

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<v Speaker 3>be like, hey, cool, I'm leaving, it's probably a lot

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<v Speaker 3>greater then somebody who gets ghosted after one date. Like

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we're all on this spectrum of like needing

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<v Speaker 3>some sort of validation as to why a relationship has

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<v Speaker 3>come to an end. But this doesn't just have to

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<v Speaker 3>apply for relationships. And I think that's really important because

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<v Speaker 3>you might be listening to this being like, hey, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>in a really happy relationship and I don't really need

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<v Speaker 3>to listen to an episode on closure. But this could

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<v Speaker 3>be in regards to work, Like, for example, in this

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<v Speaker 3>past year, a lot of people have been made redundant

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<v Speaker 3>because of COVID, And maybe you were doing a great job.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe you worked for a great company that you had

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<v Speaker 3>put a lot of time and energy into, and you

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<v Speaker 3>were made redundant, and somebody else wasn't and you weren't

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<v Speaker 3>given the answer why, And you can use this episode

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<v Speaker 3>for a tool to be able to help to get

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<v Speaker 3>over that and the trauma of how you feel the

0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:43.679
<v Speaker 3>fact that you've been made redundant or being fired. You

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<v Speaker 3>can also use this conversation in regards to like a

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<v Speaker 3>friendship breakup.

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<v Speaker 1>If you've got a friend.

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<v Speaker 3>Who you know you've lost touch with, you don't really

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<v Speaker 3>know why or what happened, and trying to kind of

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<v Speaker 3>reconcile why that person just remove themselves from your life

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<v Speaker 3>can be really, really, really hard unless you understand and

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<v Speaker 3>the why. But the thing that we're going to kind

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<v Speaker 3>of get to the bottom of is that the why

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<v Speaker 3>is kind of irrelevant. And that's where I think, once

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<v Speaker 3>we've unpacked this whole conversation, where we're going to get

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<v Speaker 3>to in the end.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And like Laura said, it's not just relationships. It

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<v Speaker 1>definitely is your work. It is a status or a

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<v Speaker 1>way of life. It's also a death or a loss

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<v Speaker 1>of someone that's really important. It comes in so many

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<v Speaker 1>avenues and it's important to ask yourself, can we really

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<v Speaker 1>expect and rely on somebody else to bring us that closure?

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<v Speaker 1>And what we need but to start off with or

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<v Speaker 1>what is closure? The social psychologist Ari, and I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to get this wrong, Ari Kraglanski, Did you guys? I

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<v Speaker 1>just don't know how to protest the last okay. Ari

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<v Speaker 1>Kaglansky coined the phrase.

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<v Speaker 3>I also think if you say anything with like a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of conviction, everybody listening to this is gonna be like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>Koglansky guy, he knows his shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, no one's going to write to inmbay. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's Klogonski. If you do. Don't slide into my DMS

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<v Speaker 1>with the correction, except.

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<v Speaker 3>For like the one or two people who are actually

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<v Speaker 3>a psychologists that listen every sort and when we say

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<v Speaker 3>something wrong, we'll have a psycho just write to us

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<v Speaker 3>and be like, hey, girls, I love your podcasting.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't nail that part. But the phrase that you

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<v Speaker 1>we've all heard of the need for closure, finding the

0:23:09.920 --> 0:23:12.080
<v Speaker 1>need for closure, I have the need for closure. It

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<v Speaker 1>was coined in the nineteen nineties, and it's referring to

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<v Speaker 1>a framework for decision making that aims to find an

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<v Speaker 1>answer on a given topic that will alleviate confusion and ambiguity. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I find this interesting that as humans, we feel like

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<v Speaker 1>we can't get there on our own. We feel like

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<v Speaker 1>every single thing has to have an answer. And what

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<v Speaker 1>I find interesting is often it's not an answer that

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<v Speaker 1>we're searching for, but it's an answer that we want.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think the interesting thing with that is, as humans,

0:23:43.520 --> 0:23:45.880
<v Speaker 3>if we're missing a link, So for example, if someone

0:23:45.920 --> 0:23:47.520
<v Speaker 3>breaks up with you, or if you lose your job,

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<v Speaker 3>whatever the thing is, if you don't have all the reasons,

0:23:51.800 --> 0:23:54.080
<v Speaker 3>we like to make up reasons. We like to try

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<v Speaker 3>and fill in the blank. And then by filling in

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<v Speaker 3>the blanks, all the things that we have created as

0:23:59.240 --> 0:24:02.919
<v Speaker 3>assumptions come truth and like, sometimes that's helpful for healing,

0:24:02.960 --> 0:24:04.960
<v Speaker 3>but other times that can be really detrimental.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're looking for answers to try and close or

0:24:07.800 --> 0:24:11.000
<v Speaker 1>resolve these painful feelings. Essentially, that's what we're doing. But

0:24:11.840 --> 0:24:15.520
<v Speaker 1>while we're doing that, we overanalyze what's happened. We examine

0:24:15.520 --> 0:24:18.080
<v Speaker 1>every single piece of the puzzle, and then closure is

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<v Speaker 1>achieved when we are satisfied that all the puzzle pieces meet.

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<v Speaker 1>But the problem is, and I think this is something

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<v Speaker 1>that I used to do as well, and Laura and

0:24:28.040 --> 0:24:30.320
<v Speaker 1>I were talking about this. Sometimes you like I need closure,

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<v Speaker 1>you go to get your answer, but it's not the

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<v Speaker 1>answer you want. I remember, like a past relationship, them

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<v Speaker 1>saying I don't want to be with you anymore, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, okay, I'm coming over. I went over

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, okay, tell me why. Why don't

0:24:42.760 --> 0:24:44.439
<v Speaker 1>you want to be with you anymore? Because in my

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<v Speaker 1>mind and in my life and in the perfect future

0:24:47.840 --> 0:24:50.280
<v Speaker 1>that I had created, I was obsessed. I was so

0:24:50.440 --> 0:24:53.280
<v Speaker 1>in love. It was everything. And they were like, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think I need to tell you that, and I'm like,

0:24:55.240 --> 0:24:57.199
<v Speaker 1>you do need to tell me that, and he's like, fine,

0:24:57.280 --> 0:25:00.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't love you anymore and I was like, excuse me.

0:25:01.240 --> 0:25:04.159
<v Speaker 1>I was like, yes, you do. I was. I was like,

0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:05.840
<v Speaker 1>you do love me? And he like I don't. And

0:25:05.880 --> 0:25:10.359
<v Speaker 1>I was like, but you do. Because couldn't comprehend how

0:25:10.840 --> 0:25:12.800
<v Speaker 1>not how you couldn't love me. But I couldn't comprehend

0:25:12.840 --> 0:25:15.800
<v Speaker 1>how I could have the feelings at the level that

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<v Speaker 1>I did, this all consuming love and how I thought

0:25:18.920 --> 0:25:20.760
<v Speaker 1>we were together forever and I thought it was perfect

0:25:20.800 --> 0:25:23.639
<v Speaker 1>and that someone couldn't be meeting me at that level.

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<v Speaker 1>So for me, that didn't do anything except make it worse.

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<v Speaker 1>Fast forward to now and a lot of shit that

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<v Speaker 1>I've been through. If someone said to me, like if

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan came and said to me, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>be with you anymore, if it was like a grown

0:25:36.760 --> 0:25:39.600
<v Speaker 1>up conversation, I'm not gonna walk out the door. Of course,

0:25:39.600 --> 0:25:41.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna ask why. I'm gonna be like, hey, like

0:25:41.480 --> 0:25:43.679
<v Speaker 1>what's happening, Like where did that come from? What's going on?

0:25:44.440 --> 0:25:46.359
<v Speaker 1>But if he was like I just don't I can't

0:25:46.400 --> 0:25:48.000
<v Speaker 1>explain it. If he just said I just don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to be with you, I'm at such a different place

0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:53.160
<v Speaker 1>now that that in itself is enough for me. If

0:25:53.160 --> 0:25:57.080
<v Speaker 1>someone can say to me, I don't want you for me,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, it doesn't really matter why then, because the

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<v Speaker 1>why to me is relevant. If someone's just like, you're

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<v Speaker 1>not my person, you're not all right for me, and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want you in my life. I've been through

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<v Speaker 1>so much now that I'm like, cool, that's all I need,

0:26:08.600 --> 0:26:10.080
<v Speaker 1>because I just want to be with someone that wants me.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you don't, I'm fine, and I genuinely like

0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:15.320
<v Speaker 1>i'd be very upset, of course, but I'm at a

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<v Speaker 1>place now where I'm like, there's nothing to do holding

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<v Speaker 1>onto that and sitting on that and dwelling on that

0:26:20.880 --> 0:26:24.200
<v Speaker 1>doesn't bring anything positive to my life. All it does

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<v Speaker 1>is keep you like in quicksand stuck in quicksand.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so the reason why I laughed is not like, hey, guys,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm pouring my heart here and Laura. I'm looking at

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<v Speaker 3>Laura laughing, and I was like, I've either got something

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<v Speaker 3>away face, or do you know.

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<v Speaker 1>If that John's about to break up with me, buck

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<v Speaker 1>and I would not be laughing at that.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I'm laughing because you like accosted an ex boyfriend

0:26:43.240 --> 0:26:45.360
<v Speaker 3>as to why he didn't love you anymore. And I'm

0:26:45.400 --> 0:26:47.600
<v Speaker 3>just thinking about the time that I told an ex

0:26:47.640 --> 0:26:50.040
<v Speaker 3>boyfriend he wasn't breaking up with me. He was like,

0:26:50.080 --> 0:26:52.800
<v Speaker 3>we're breaking up and I was like, we're not. And

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<v Speaker 3>then we stayed together for six more years. And I'm

0:26:54.720 --> 0:26:57.879
<v Speaker 3>pretty sure. I'm pretty sure for the entire time he

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<v Speaker 3>kept trying to break up. I'm just very stubborn. We

0:27:00.400 --> 0:27:02.520
<v Speaker 3>live when we learn people No. But I think one

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<v Speaker 3>of the things you've just said that and maybe this

0:27:04.480 --> 0:27:07.679
<v Speaker 3>is like the most important part of this, but this

0:27:07.920 --> 0:27:11.960
<v Speaker 3>idea that obviously in your romantic relationships, you're going to

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<v Speaker 3>be invested. They become part of your identity. They become

0:27:15.200 --> 0:27:17.879
<v Speaker 3>part of who you are and what is important to you.

0:27:17.960 --> 0:27:20.760
<v Speaker 3>That's just what happens. We intertwine our sense of self

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<v Speaker 3>worth with the person that we are having a life

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<v Speaker 3>with or creating a life with.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, the issue is if you are getting your full.

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<v Speaker 3>Source of love or admiration or self value or whatever

0:27:30.359 --> 0:27:33.720
<v Speaker 3>it is, if you are getting all of that from

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<v Speaker 3>somebody else. When that person leaves, a huge part of

0:27:37.560 --> 0:27:40.119
<v Speaker 3>your identity walks out the door with them. And I

0:27:40.160 --> 0:27:42.800
<v Speaker 3>think for some people, and I know this for myself.

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<v Speaker 3>In the relationships that I have struggled the hardest to

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<v Speaker 3>get over, the relationships that ended that cause me the

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<v Speaker 3>most hurt and trauma. They are the relationships where I

0:27:51.280 --> 0:27:54.040
<v Speaker 3>completely lost my sense of self. So once they had gone,

0:27:54.240 --> 0:27:56.680
<v Speaker 3>I was like, well, who am I now that they're

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<v Speaker 3>not here? And so it wasn't so much around needing closure,

0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:03.119
<v Speaker 3>but it was around I can't do this because I

0:28:03.119 --> 0:28:05.920
<v Speaker 3>don't even know who I am anymore. And I think

0:28:05.960 --> 0:28:08.520
<v Speaker 3>that a lot of people who when they get their

0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:10.800
<v Speaker 3>sense of self or they get their love or whatever

0:28:10.880 --> 0:28:13.359
<v Speaker 3>it is, that thing and I think that it's really

0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:15.200
<v Speaker 3>important to kind of unpack what is it that you're

0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:17.960
<v Speaker 3>getting from that relationship that you are not able to

0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:20.520
<v Speaker 3>get from other areas of your life. So that why

0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:22.879
<v Speaker 3>can't you move on? Why are you stuck? Why do

0:28:22.920 --> 0:28:24.840
<v Speaker 3>you keep looking in the revision mirror and looking in

0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:27.119
<v Speaker 3>the past, Because until you're able to kind of be

0:28:27.240 --> 0:28:30.440
<v Speaker 3>in the present and start to mend those things, that's

0:28:30.480 --> 0:28:31.760
<v Speaker 3>where the closure comes from.

0:28:31.800 --> 0:28:34.080
<v Speaker 1>So I do think that people mainly think of closure

0:28:34.080 --> 0:28:36.720
<v Speaker 1>and they jump straight to a relationship ending, and that's

0:28:36.760 --> 0:28:39.120
<v Speaker 1>what they want, the closure from a divorce or a breakdown,

0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:42.120
<v Speaker 1>or I guess sometimes friendships as well. But there is

0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:45.040
<v Speaker 1>this tendency to near closure faults. I don't want to

0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:48.160
<v Speaker 1>say more insignificant things, but more insignificant things like when

0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:50.960
<v Speaker 1>you're maybe you're online dating somebody, or it's very new,

0:28:51.000 --> 0:28:53.760
<v Speaker 1>it's a few weeks, maybe haven't even met them yet,

0:28:53.960 --> 0:28:57.680
<v Speaker 1>and then they ghost you, they just disappear. This can

0:28:57.800 --> 0:28:59.560
<v Speaker 1>leave you and I've been in this position too. This

0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:04.600
<v Speaker 1>can you sometimes more beside yourself than when a long

0:29:04.680 --> 0:29:08.320
<v Speaker 1>term relationship breaks down, because you don't have any answer.

0:29:08.360 --> 0:29:10.800
<v Speaker 1>Everything's going fine, everything's making sense, and all of a

0:29:10.840 --> 0:29:13.840
<v Speaker 1>sudden they disappear. Then you start to reflect on yourself.

0:29:13.960 --> 0:29:16.400
<v Speaker 1>You start to get these really toxic thoughts because you're like,

0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:19.080
<v Speaker 1>what did I do? What did I say? And I

0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:22.120
<v Speaker 1>think the immediate thought process is reflecting on yourself as

0:29:22.160 --> 0:29:24.320
<v Speaker 1>opposed to it's wrong and it's rude. But maybe that

0:29:24.360 --> 0:29:27.680
<v Speaker 1>person lost interest, Maybe that person dropped his phone in

0:29:27.680 --> 0:29:31.120
<v Speaker 1>the gutter, maybe somebody died in that person's life. But

0:29:31.440 --> 0:29:35.960
<v Speaker 1>I think it's sometimes more consuming these more insignificant moments

0:29:35.960 --> 0:29:39.160
<v Speaker 1>like online dating for me personally, because you're like, what

0:29:39.240 --> 0:29:40.960
<v Speaker 1>the fuck, Like you didn't even get a chance to

0:29:41.000 --> 0:29:43.600
<v Speaker 1>know me, and it drives this level of anxiety as

0:29:43.600 --> 0:29:45.360
<v Speaker 1>opposed to when you're in a long term relationship and

0:29:45.360 --> 0:29:47.760
<v Speaker 1>it has a breakdown. This is when, and this is

0:29:47.760 --> 0:29:49.600
<v Speaker 1>what I've read, this is when most people start to

0:29:49.640 --> 0:29:51.920
<v Speaker 1>drive themselves insane and get really down on themselves. This

0:29:51.960 --> 0:29:54.000
<v Speaker 1>is when they delete their online dating profiles. This is

0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:56.080
<v Speaker 1>when they're like, I fucking give up. Everyone's a twat.

0:29:56.280 --> 0:29:58.560
<v Speaker 1>There's this really interesting story that I read. I think

0:29:58.600 --> 0:30:01.520
<v Speaker 1>his name was the Angry so like the anger Psychologist,

0:30:01.560 --> 0:30:04.600
<v Speaker 1>and he was reciting his own story and it was

0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:07.600
<v Speaker 1>from years and years before he was in a really

0:30:07.960 --> 0:30:11.720
<v Speaker 1>long term relationship, like eight years and they were spending

0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:14.120
<v Speaker 1>their life together. She left him one day. She just

0:30:14.200 --> 0:30:17.080
<v Speaker 1>said I'm done and he was like, whoa what, Like,

0:30:17.200 --> 0:30:19.800
<v Speaker 1>let's talk about this, and she was like, I'm not, like,

0:30:19.880 --> 0:30:23.720
<v Speaker 1>I just as done, and she left. He messaged her

0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:27.200
<v Speaker 1>and called her obviously NonStop because he's like, you can't

0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:29.080
<v Speaker 1>just do that. I need answers. When she's like, well

0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:30.840
<v Speaker 1>I have done that, you know, like this is done.

0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:34.960
<v Speaker 1>He messaged her every week for months and he never

0:30:35.000 --> 0:30:39.360
<v Speaker 1>got a response. She just ghosted him. He for years

0:30:39.920 --> 0:30:42.720
<v Speaker 1>convinced himself, I can't move on until I get the

0:30:42.760 --> 0:30:44.920
<v Speaker 1>closure that I need from her, which she never gave me,

0:30:45.080 --> 0:30:47.720
<v Speaker 1>and he convinced himself of it. So years went by.

0:30:48.160 --> 0:30:50.960
<v Speaker 1>He ended up having contact with her and he said,

0:30:50.960 --> 0:30:53.000
<v Speaker 1>can you meet me? So she met him. They met

0:30:53.080 --> 0:30:55.040
<v Speaker 1>up after all this time, and he was like, finally

0:30:55.240 --> 0:30:58.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to get my closure that I need. They met,

0:30:59.080 --> 0:31:02.600
<v Speaker 1>he didn't get any answer, she left, and this is

0:31:02.600 --> 0:31:07.160
<v Speaker 1>when he realized, fuck all this time, I have put

0:31:07.160 --> 0:31:09.520
<v Speaker 1>my life on hold because I told myself I needed

0:31:09.520 --> 0:31:12.000
<v Speaker 1>to have this meeting to have closure, and I didn't

0:31:12.040 --> 0:31:15.840
<v Speaker 1>get closure. And the realization of him not getting or

0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:17.840
<v Speaker 1>needing the closure was what gave him closure. Now I

0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:20.480
<v Speaker 1>know that's like a closure inception, but he's like, I

0:31:20.520 --> 0:31:22.760
<v Speaker 1>walked away. I didn't get the closure from her, but

0:31:22.760 --> 0:31:24.680
<v Speaker 1>I got closure because I was like, I fucking didn't

0:31:24.720 --> 0:31:27.239
<v Speaker 1>need it all this time. It's me who was in

0:31:27.280 --> 0:31:30.240
<v Speaker 1>control of how I feel, and it's me in control

0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:31.760
<v Speaker 1>of if I can move on with my life and

0:31:31.800 --> 0:31:32.719
<v Speaker 1>accept what's happened.

0:31:32.800 --> 0:31:35.160
<v Speaker 3>But that's the reality, right, Like I think the problem

0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:37.560
<v Speaker 3>is and when we focus too much on like having

0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:40.080
<v Speaker 3>a nice, neat little bow to package up a relationship

0:31:40.120 --> 0:31:42.400
<v Speaker 3>and put it in the cupboard, it's the fact is

0:31:42.440 --> 0:31:45.680
<v Speaker 3>that sometimes there isn't a why. Sometimes you can't explain

0:31:45.720 --> 0:31:48.240
<v Speaker 3>the way that you feel, you know, and sometimes relationships

0:31:48.240 --> 0:31:51.200
<v Speaker 3>break down for lots of different small reasons and you

0:31:51.280 --> 0:31:54.120
<v Speaker 3>drift apart, and there isn't this one big thing that's

0:31:54.160 --> 0:31:56.040
<v Speaker 3>like I cheated or I fell in love with someone

0:31:56.040 --> 0:31:58.600
<v Speaker 3>else or whatever you sucked at your job, like whatever

0:31:58.640 --> 0:32:02.719
<v Speaker 3>it is, sometimes they isn't an actual tangible why. And

0:32:02.760 --> 0:32:05.440
<v Speaker 3>that's because you know, we are very complex humans. We

0:32:05.520 --> 0:32:08.200
<v Speaker 3>all have the right to leave relationships and change our mind.

0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:12.120
<v Speaker 3>And I actually genuinely think and some people might disagree

0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:14.640
<v Speaker 3>with this, but I don't actually think that we deserve

0:32:14.960 --> 0:32:18.560
<v Speaker 3>a huge explanation, you know we I think maybe if

0:32:18.600 --> 0:32:20.640
<v Speaker 3>you're in a relationship where you have children and your

0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:23.160
<v Speaker 3>lives are entwined in that way, yeah, sure, there's a

0:32:23.280 --> 0:32:26.040
<v Speaker 3>level of care and a level of compassion and empathy

0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:28.520
<v Speaker 3>that you should have for your partner. But for example,

0:32:29.080 --> 0:32:31.840
<v Speaker 3>if you have matched someone on Tinder, you've been chatting

0:32:31.880 --> 0:32:34.720
<v Speaker 3>a little while and they ghost you, no, you know what,

0:32:35.320 --> 0:32:37.640
<v Speaker 3>that's a bit of shitty behavior, But you're not entitled

0:32:37.680 --> 0:32:38.200
<v Speaker 3>to a why.

0:32:38.320 --> 0:32:40.280
<v Speaker 1>You know, you can't really get that angry.

0:32:39.920 --> 0:32:42.040
<v Speaker 3>And be like, well, you know, I thought that we

0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:44.080
<v Speaker 3>were going to catch up and then he never wrote back,

0:32:44.120 --> 0:32:46.560
<v Speaker 3>Like there is a level of why do you feel

0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:49.280
<v Speaker 3>it's so entitled to having all of the answers given

0:32:49.360 --> 0:32:51.640
<v Speaker 3>to you. And the other side of that is we

0:32:51.720 --> 0:32:53.960
<v Speaker 3>never know what's going on in somebody else's life, and

0:32:54.000 --> 0:32:57.239
<v Speaker 3>we don't ever understand fully what they have happening. And

0:32:57.520 --> 0:32:59.720
<v Speaker 3>just because someone does something doesn't mean that they're actually

0:32:59.720 --> 0:33:02.200
<v Speaker 3>into mentionally doing it to hurt you. That doesn't necessarily

0:33:02.240 --> 0:33:05.040
<v Speaker 3>mean there's malice in it. It's just that one person's

0:33:05.040 --> 0:33:07.000
<v Speaker 3>out there living their life and the things that they

0:33:07.040 --> 0:33:09.720
<v Speaker 3>do even though it affects you, it's not done to you,

0:33:10.040 --> 0:33:12.240
<v Speaker 3>And I think that's a really important thing to remember. Yeah,

0:33:12.240 --> 0:33:15.080
<v Speaker 3>I think sometimes we get it mixed up with curiosity,

0:33:15.400 --> 0:33:17.480
<v Speaker 3>Like sometimes people have done stuff to me online dating

0:33:17.480 --> 0:33:21.280
<v Speaker 3>and been such twats. I don't want to know why

0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:23.720
<v Speaker 3>because I need the closure to make myself feel better.

0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:25.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm just genuinely curious. I'm like, what the fuck went

0:33:25.760 --> 0:33:27.800
<v Speaker 1>on in their life? I'm like, it's like I like

0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:30.240
<v Speaker 1>kept by a bus, Like where what happened to it? Yeah,

0:33:30.320 --> 0:33:32.880
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm actually curious, So I'm like, what happened to you?

0:33:33.160 --> 0:33:34.760
<v Speaker 1>But I guess the next part I want to talk

0:33:34.800 --> 0:33:38.600
<v Speaker 1>about is who needs closure and the personality types. And

0:33:38.600 --> 0:33:40.960
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of research that indicates there are certain

0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:44.000
<v Speaker 1>personality types that need it and certain personality types that don't.

0:33:44.320 --> 0:33:47.320
<v Speaker 1>And one study found that people who prefer order and

0:33:47.400 --> 0:33:52.200
<v Speaker 1>structure and predictability and really knowing their day's plan, they

0:33:52.240 --> 0:33:54.720
<v Speaker 1>have a more rigid way of thinking and a low

0:33:55.000 --> 0:33:58.000
<v Speaker 1>tolerance for ambiguity. And these are the people that really

0:33:58.080 --> 0:34:01.600
<v Speaker 1>struggle with not having I mean, we say closure a lot,

0:34:01.640 --> 0:34:05.720
<v Speaker 1>but not having the answers to something or something perpetually

0:34:05.760 --> 0:34:08.359
<v Speaker 1>being the unknown that sort of scares them, and they're

0:34:08.400 --> 0:34:10.840
<v Speaker 1>the people that really need the structure or they genuinely

0:34:10.880 --> 0:34:13.680
<v Speaker 1>feel like they're stuck in their tracks. And in contrast,

0:34:14.080 --> 0:34:17.120
<v Speaker 1>more creative people, more artistic people, more people that are

0:34:17.120 --> 0:34:20.239
<v Speaker 1>open minded, and they're more people that are comfortable with ambiguity.

0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:22.400
<v Speaker 1>They're the people that are better able to cope with

0:34:22.400 --> 0:34:24.080
<v Speaker 1>people that are like, cool, I don't have an answer,

0:34:24.120 --> 0:34:26.520
<v Speaker 1>but that's cool, Like the universe. I'm on my path.

0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:29.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna achieve whatever I want. They're not gonna stop

0:34:29.440 --> 0:34:31.759
<v Speaker 1>me from achieving my dream. So it's these more open

0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:34.600
<v Speaker 1>minded people that don't really feel like they need an

0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:37.160
<v Speaker 1>answer to a relationship or to a job loss, or

0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:38.360
<v Speaker 1>to anything in life to move on.

0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:40.279
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's interesting, isn't it, Because I think that,

0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:42.200
<v Speaker 3>I mean, maybe you are that person. Maybe you are

0:34:42.239 --> 0:34:44.120
<v Speaker 3>the person who is a bit of an a personality

0:34:44.160 --> 0:34:47.080
<v Speaker 3>type of needs structure order And you're listening to this

0:34:47.160 --> 0:34:49.200
<v Speaker 3>going like, yeah, actually, there's been plenty of times in

0:34:49.200 --> 0:34:51.040
<v Speaker 3>my life where I felt like I needed more closure.

0:34:51.440 --> 0:34:53.360
<v Speaker 3>But when you said that, Britt, like, I can think

0:34:53.400 --> 0:34:57.160
<v Speaker 3>of friends who have struggled with relationships ending. When I

0:34:57.200 --> 0:35:00.600
<v Speaker 3>say struggle with relationships ending, we all struggle with relationship ending,

0:35:00.920 --> 0:35:03.120
<v Speaker 3>but they have struggled to a point where they really

0:35:03.160 --> 0:35:06.359
<v Speaker 3>fixated on the need for closure. And now that you've

0:35:06.360 --> 0:35:08.400
<v Speaker 3>said that, I'm like, oh my god. They are absolutely

0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:10.920
<v Speaker 3>somebody who needs more structure and order in their lives,

0:35:10.960 --> 0:35:13.839
<v Speaker 3>and so maybe in that sense they needed to make

0:35:13.920 --> 0:35:16.080
<v Speaker 3>sense of it in the way that everything else in

0:35:16.120 --> 0:35:19.080
<v Speaker 3>life makes sense. But the reality is relationships are messy,

0:35:19.120 --> 0:35:21.399
<v Speaker 3>they don't always make sense, and we don't always have

0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:22.480
<v Speaker 3>answers for it.

0:35:23.040 --> 0:35:25.600
<v Speaker 1>Something else I found really interesting is that people that

0:35:25.640 --> 0:35:28.520
<v Speaker 1>are more religious or have a belief system that maybe

0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:32.680
<v Speaker 1>is more spiritual, they don't need as much closure as

0:35:32.719 --> 0:35:36.000
<v Speaker 1>people that don't. And this is all research backed because

0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:40.000
<v Speaker 1>they have this ideology of this is God's will, so

0:35:40.040 --> 0:35:42.400
<v Speaker 1>they don't need the answers because they can rely on

0:35:42.560 --> 0:35:44.160
<v Speaker 1>being like, oh, this is what God wanted for me,

0:35:44.200 --> 0:35:45.840
<v Speaker 1>this is what the universe has done for me. I

0:35:45.920 --> 0:35:48.480
<v Speaker 1>just fund that really interesting because they're just far more

0:35:48.520 --> 0:35:51.479
<v Speaker 1>accepting knowing that whatever has happened to them has happened

0:35:51.520 --> 0:35:52.759
<v Speaker 1>for a reason, so they don't need to go and

0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:55.080
<v Speaker 1>find their asses. I just found that really interesting.

0:35:55.360 --> 0:35:57.040
<v Speaker 3>One of the things that always comes up when you

0:35:57.080 --> 0:36:00.879
<v Speaker 3>have this conversation around closure is the idea of ghost right,

0:36:01.000 --> 0:36:02.799
<v Speaker 3>Like I think that if we were gonna think of

0:36:02.840 --> 0:36:06.320
<v Speaker 3>the most stereotypical example of someone needing closure, it's the

0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:08.720
<v Speaker 3>person who's been ghosted. When I was having this conversation

0:36:08.760 --> 0:36:10.399
<v Speaker 3>with Matt, because I was like, ghosting, you know, it's

0:36:10.400 --> 0:36:13.360
<v Speaker 3>such a modern phenomena, and Matt was like, what's really

0:36:13.400 --> 0:36:16.000
<v Speaker 3>not It's just modern in the way it's done these days,

0:36:16.040 --> 0:36:18.880
<v Speaker 3>Like so we ghost people now, by I mean, I

0:36:18.880 --> 0:36:21.560
<v Speaker 3>would hope that nobody's ever experienced this, But like, imagine

0:36:21.560 --> 0:36:23.759
<v Speaker 3>if your boyfriend didn't break up with you, he just

0:36:23.800 --> 0:36:26.320
<v Speaker 3>went on to Facebook and changed his profile to single,

0:36:26.640 --> 0:36:28.799
<v Speaker 3>like not in a relationship anymore, I'm single now, and

0:36:28.840 --> 0:36:29.879
<v Speaker 3>then never text you back.

0:36:30.480 --> 0:36:33.200
<v Speaker 1>Pretty extreme form of ghosting. But I'm sure it has happened.

0:36:33.239 --> 0:36:35.000
<v Speaker 1>That happens all the time. And I actually read something,

0:36:35.040 --> 0:36:37.120
<v Speaker 1>and I actually read something today that's so interesting and

0:36:37.160 --> 0:36:39.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go and have a deep dive. But Facebook

0:36:39.760 --> 0:36:43.920
<v Speaker 1>are actually changing the way now that you change your

0:36:43.920 --> 0:36:45.960
<v Speaker 1>statuses and stuff like that, because too many people just

0:36:46.040 --> 0:36:49.000
<v Speaker 1>changing their status to like broken up without instead of

0:36:49.000 --> 0:36:49.840
<v Speaker 1>having a conversation.

0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:53.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I know, there's gonna be someone listening to this

0:36:53.480 --> 0:36:55.239
<v Speaker 3>podcast now, Who's like, yeah, I got broken up with

0:36:55.280 --> 0:36:57.840
<v Speaker 3>over Facebook didn't even know about it. But this is

0:36:57.880 --> 0:36:59.759
<v Speaker 3>not new. This is not a new phenomena. Like we've

0:36:59.800 --> 0:37:02.640
<v Speaker 3>all heard of the wife who had three kids at

0:37:02.680 --> 0:37:04.719
<v Speaker 3>home whose husband went out to go get milk and

0:37:04.760 --> 0:37:08.200
<v Speaker 3>he never fucking came home. Like, and the crazy thing is,

0:37:08.200 --> 0:37:10.400
<v Speaker 3>so I was having this conversation with Matt. Matt was like, yeah,

0:37:10.680 --> 0:37:13.719
<v Speaker 3>my mom's best friend growing up that was her dad.

0:37:13.960 --> 0:37:16.560
<v Speaker 3>Her dad literally went to work one day and never

0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:19.040
<v Speaker 3>came home and that was it. He moved to Perth,

0:37:19.120 --> 0:37:22.160
<v Speaker 3>had a whole other family. Like, ghosting is not something

0:37:22.200 --> 0:37:24.319
<v Speaker 3>that's new. It just used to happen in a very

0:37:24.320 --> 0:37:27.560
<v Speaker 3>spectacular fashion back in the day. But I think sometimes

0:37:27.560 --> 0:37:31.399
<v Speaker 3>with ghosting, that's like the stereotypical scenario where we want

0:37:31.400 --> 0:37:33.680
<v Speaker 3>to have closure, we want to be able to understand, well,

0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:35.520
<v Speaker 3>why did they do that? But I think it all

0:37:35.560 --> 0:37:37.920
<v Speaker 3>comes back to this idea of like, just because someone

0:37:38.000 --> 0:37:40.960
<v Speaker 3>does something and it affects you doesn't necessarily mean that

0:37:40.960 --> 0:37:43.640
<v Speaker 3>they're doing it to you. And even if that person,

0:37:43.719 --> 0:37:45.920
<v Speaker 3>like Britz said, did give you some closure in that,

0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:49.160
<v Speaker 3>they said, well, I don't like the way that you

0:37:49.239 --> 0:37:51.840
<v Speaker 3>are so extroverted, or I think you're too loud, or

0:37:51.840 --> 0:37:54.000
<v Speaker 3>I think you're too this. Even if you had all

0:37:54.040 --> 0:37:56.399
<v Speaker 3>that information, are you going to change who you are

0:37:56.440 --> 0:37:58.200
<v Speaker 3>at the core? Like, what are you going to do

0:37:58.239 --> 0:38:00.440
<v Speaker 3>with that information? Are you going to dull your flame?

0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:02.360
<v Speaker 3>You know, are you going to be a different person

0:38:02.440 --> 0:38:05.000
<v Speaker 3>to try and appease that person who's got the issued? No,

0:38:05.360 --> 0:38:07.640
<v Speaker 3>the reality is is that they're the one that has

0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:09.920
<v Speaker 3>the issue. They're the one that wants out of the relationship,

0:38:10.040 --> 0:38:13.600
<v Speaker 3>and it almost always entirely lies with that person. It's

0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:15.600
<v Speaker 3>not necessarily about you at all.

0:38:16.000 --> 0:38:18.040
<v Speaker 1>So you don't have closure, you don't have the answers.

0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:21.880
<v Speaker 1>You've been ghosted. What do you do? First and foremost,

0:38:22.000 --> 0:38:25.400
<v Speaker 1>it's super important to know that you are the one

0:38:25.440 --> 0:38:27.919
<v Speaker 1>that is in charge of obtaining closure. And I think

0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:31.239
<v Speaker 1>ultimately we can talk about this until the cows come home,

0:38:31.280 --> 0:38:33.600
<v Speaker 1>but it's always going to come back to you. You

0:38:33.640 --> 0:38:35.279
<v Speaker 1>are the one that is in charge, you of your

0:38:35.320 --> 0:38:38.560
<v Speaker 1>thoughts and your feelings and what you tell yourself you need.

0:38:39.440 --> 0:38:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Even if you do get an answer from somebody, like

0:38:42.040 --> 0:38:44.400
<v Speaker 1>Laura said, you don't know a that they're telling you

0:38:44.440 --> 0:38:46.520
<v Speaker 1>the truth. You just don't know they could be scooting

0:38:46.560 --> 0:38:48.600
<v Speaker 1>around the truth so they don't hurt your feelings. You

0:38:48.640 --> 0:38:50.359
<v Speaker 1>also have to be aware that it very well could

0:38:50.440 --> 0:38:51.800
<v Speaker 1>hurt your feelings. Then what are you going to do

0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:54.520
<v Speaker 1>with that? But also on top of that, it also

0:38:54.560 --> 0:38:57.040
<v Speaker 1>still might not be enough. That might give you exactly

0:38:57.120 --> 0:38:59.920
<v Speaker 1>the reasons as to why it's happened, and that why

0:39:00.160 --> 0:39:03.160
<v Speaker 1>may still not be good enough. And if someone doesn't

0:39:03.239 --> 0:39:05.879
<v Speaker 1>want to communicate with you, which we hear all the time,

0:39:06.000 --> 0:39:08.080
<v Speaker 1>especially from you guys writing in and saying he won't

0:39:08.080 --> 0:39:09.759
<v Speaker 1>answer me, he won't give me my answer. If they

0:39:09.800 --> 0:39:13.360
<v Speaker 1>don't want to communicate with you, that's saying more about

0:39:13.400 --> 0:39:16.799
<v Speaker 1>them than it is about you. They're not affording you

0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:20.160
<v Speaker 1>the respect that you deserve in this situation. And I

0:39:20.160 --> 0:39:22.160
<v Speaker 1>think you need to look at that as in, he's

0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:25.000
<v Speaker 1>not speaking to me because I've done something wrong. You're saying,

0:39:25.160 --> 0:39:27.320
<v Speaker 1>I can't change the fact that he doesn't want to

0:39:27.320 --> 0:39:28.799
<v Speaker 1>talk to me. I can't change the fact that he's

0:39:28.840 --> 0:39:30.400
<v Speaker 1>not going to give me the answers that I need.

0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:33.600
<v Speaker 1>I can't change the fact that they just don't want

0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:34.239
<v Speaker 1>to be with me.

0:39:34.440 --> 0:39:36.239
<v Speaker 3>Well, don't you think it's that old adage of like

0:39:36.880 --> 0:39:39.640
<v Speaker 3>no answer is an answer, No reply is a reply.

0:39:39.840 --> 0:39:42.600
<v Speaker 3>Like at some times, silence speaks louder than any of

0:39:42.640 --> 0:39:44.840
<v Speaker 3>the other things that could or should be said. And

0:39:44.880 --> 0:39:46.719
<v Speaker 3>now I'm not saying that that's the right way, Like,

0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:50.320
<v Speaker 3>I definitely don't think that being ghosted or being given

0:39:50.480 --> 0:39:53.200
<v Speaker 3>zero explanation as to why a relationship has broken down

0:39:53.360 --> 0:39:55.680
<v Speaker 3>is fair. I think that, you know, we all should

0:39:55.719 --> 0:39:59.000
<v Speaker 3>be treating people with empathy and care and compassion, but

0:39:59.480 --> 0:40:01.640
<v Speaker 3>you can't excit expect that from everybody, And so if

0:40:01.640 --> 0:40:03.520
<v Speaker 3>you're not getting it from the source, then you have

0:40:03.560 --> 0:40:04.840
<v Speaker 3>to be able to give it to yourself.

0:40:05.040 --> 0:40:07.279
<v Speaker 1>And the key is learning to live with ambiguity. The

0:40:07.320 --> 0:40:09.560
<v Speaker 1>fact of the matter is, at some stage of your life,

0:40:09.680 --> 0:40:12.520
<v Speaker 1>whether it is work or love, or friendships or family,

0:40:13.680 --> 0:40:15.000
<v Speaker 1>there's going to be a situation where you're not going

0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:17.719
<v Speaker 1>to get answer. You're not going to know why, and

0:40:17.760 --> 0:40:19.440
<v Speaker 1>you're not going to know how, you're not going to

0:40:19.480 --> 0:40:20.680
<v Speaker 1>know when, and you're not going to know where, and

0:40:20.680 --> 0:40:22.120
<v Speaker 1>you're not going to know what to do with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Life goes on. And this sounds really really blunt, and

0:40:27.800 --> 0:40:30.399
<v Speaker 1>I don't mean it to be, but whether you sit

0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:31.839
<v Speaker 1>in your room and dwell on that for a year,

0:40:31.880 --> 0:40:34.279
<v Speaker 1>and cry, or you go out and make the most

0:40:34.280 --> 0:40:35.520
<v Speaker 1>of it and go and get a new job, or

0:40:35.560 --> 0:40:37.520
<v Speaker 1>go and date. Life is going to go on regardless.

0:40:37.520 --> 0:40:39.719
<v Speaker 1>So it's really really important. And I can't drive this

0:40:39.760 --> 0:40:42.880
<v Speaker 1>home enough. It's important to know that the quality of

0:40:42.920 --> 0:40:46.680
<v Speaker 1>your life is dependent on your reaction to any given situation.

0:40:46.840 --> 0:40:49.960
<v Speaker 1>You can't change the fact that the situation has happened.

0:40:50.000 --> 0:40:52.640
<v Speaker 1>All you can do is control what you do with that,

0:40:52.840 --> 0:40:55.080
<v Speaker 1>what energy you put into it, and how you move forward.

0:40:55.400 --> 0:40:57.600
<v Speaker 1>I did ask Matt how does he go about it, enclosure,

0:40:57.600 --> 0:40:59.839
<v Speaker 1>and he was like, the best way to get over

0:40:59.880 --> 0:41:02.200
<v Speaker 1>it is to get on top of it or under

0:41:02.239 --> 0:41:06.279
<v Speaker 1>it whatever. It is not necessarily the best way, guys.

0:41:06.320 --> 0:41:07.759
<v Speaker 3>We're not saying go out there and fuck your way

0:41:07.800 --> 0:41:10.200
<v Speaker 3>of feeling better. But I'm sure it works for some people.

0:41:10.440 --> 0:41:12.920
<v Speaker 3>But one of the things I did read, and I

0:41:12.960 --> 0:41:13.719
<v Speaker 3>actually it's a lie.

0:41:13.719 --> 0:41:14.319
<v Speaker 1>I listened to it.

0:41:14.239 --> 0:41:16.600
<v Speaker 3>It was a podcast, and the podcast I listened to

0:41:16.760 --> 0:41:19.880
<v Speaker 3>was called The Overwhelmed Brain, and it talks all about

0:41:19.920 --> 0:41:23.480
<v Speaker 3>like obsessive thinking and how sometimes this idea of closure

0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:26.560
<v Speaker 3>is actually more closely linked to like obsessive thought patterns

0:41:26.760 --> 0:41:29.279
<v Speaker 3>than what it actually is related to that person or

0:41:29.320 --> 0:41:32.879
<v Speaker 3>that like breakdown of the relationship. But I really liked

0:41:32.880 --> 0:41:34.759
<v Speaker 3>the way this podcast episode, and I can put the

0:41:34.760 --> 0:41:36.719
<v Speaker 3>links in show notes. I really liked the way that

0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:40.239
<v Speaker 3>it kind of summarized how you can get closure if

0:41:40.320 --> 0:41:42.480
<v Speaker 3>you don't feel like you've received it from the person.

0:41:42.920 --> 0:41:46.160
<v Speaker 3>And instead of looking at the thing that happened, so

0:41:46.160 --> 0:41:48.480
<v Speaker 3>instead of looking at the job loss, or instead of

0:41:48.480 --> 0:41:51.080
<v Speaker 3>looking at the relationship as in like you've been broken

0:41:51.120 --> 0:41:53.759
<v Speaker 3>up with instead of looking at the final nail in

0:41:53.800 --> 0:41:56.959
<v Speaker 3>the coffin, that's not your closure, that's the full stop

0:41:57.000 --> 0:41:57.200
<v Speaker 3>at the.

0:41:57.200 --> 0:42:00.000
<v Speaker 1>End of the sentence. The closure comes from the signs.

0:42:00.480 --> 0:42:03.319
<v Speaker 3>And one of the big things which I always find

0:42:03.320 --> 0:42:05.879
<v Speaker 3>really interesting is that we have received so many ask

0:42:05.920 --> 0:42:09.160
<v Speaker 3>guncut questions which were, like, my boyfriend broke up with me.

0:42:09.600 --> 0:42:11.319
<v Speaker 1>I didn't see it coming. I don't know how to

0:42:11.320 --> 0:42:11.880
<v Speaker 1>get over it.

0:42:12.040 --> 0:42:14.520
<v Speaker 3>Yes, we weren't having as much sex anymore, or yes

0:42:14.560 --> 0:42:16.960
<v Speaker 3>we hadn't been spending as much time together, but I

0:42:17.000 --> 0:42:20.400
<v Speaker 3>thought we were good. But now the relationship's over. And

0:42:20.480 --> 0:42:23.120
<v Speaker 3>so this podcast episode I listened to, it was like,

0:42:23.440 --> 0:42:26.040
<v Speaker 3>instead of focusing on the full stop, instead of focusing

0:42:26.040 --> 0:42:28.719
<v Speaker 3>on the fact that that person has broken up with you,

0:42:28.719 --> 0:42:30.840
<v Speaker 3>you have to focus on the signs, the fact that

0:42:30.880 --> 0:42:33.200
<v Speaker 3>you weren't having as much sex anymore, the fact that

0:42:33.239 --> 0:42:36.160
<v Speaker 3>maybe your communication had been breaking down, the fact that

0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:39.040
<v Speaker 3>like whatever they had been gas ladding you and you'd

0:42:39.080 --> 0:42:42.080
<v Speaker 3>been finding all of the little things that were actually

0:42:42.080 --> 0:42:45.080
<v Speaker 3>telltale signs that were showing you that actually your relationship

0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:47.960
<v Speaker 3>was disintegrating. That is your closureP They're the things that

0:42:47.960 --> 0:42:49.759
<v Speaker 3>you need to focus on. And instead of trying to

0:42:49.840 --> 0:42:51.960
<v Speaker 3>like bundle it up and put a nice bow on it,

0:42:52.360 --> 0:42:55.040
<v Speaker 3>pick up all those signs. Write them down if you

0:42:55.080 --> 0:42:57.040
<v Speaker 3>need to. That might be helpful. Write down all the

0:42:57.080 --> 0:42:59.279
<v Speaker 3>things that were happening that like maybe at the time

0:42:59.320 --> 0:43:01.799
<v Speaker 3>you didn't acknowl maybe you didn't bring it up because

0:43:01.800 --> 0:43:03.719
<v Speaker 3>you didn't want to have a fight. You didn't want

0:43:03.719 --> 0:43:05.960
<v Speaker 3>to have any confrontation. You didn't want to have to

0:43:05.960 --> 0:43:08.440
<v Speaker 3>deal with like it seems like too big a issue

0:43:08.440 --> 0:43:11.439
<v Speaker 3>to deal with. Now, think about what those things were,

0:43:11.840 --> 0:43:15.240
<v Speaker 3>write them down, and that becomes your closure. That becomes

0:43:15.239 --> 0:43:17.960
<v Speaker 3>the reason why that scenario is the way it is.

0:43:18.560 --> 0:43:20.439
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So how do you deal and how do you heal?

0:43:21.120 --> 0:43:23.680
<v Speaker 1>I love that I made that up. That was pretty good.

0:43:24.080 --> 0:43:25.839
<v Speaker 1>Number one, And we talk about this in a lot

0:43:25.840 --> 0:43:29.480
<v Speaker 1>of situations. But number one is healthy boundaries. And I

0:43:29.520 --> 0:43:32.879
<v Speaker 1>really love this analogy. If you keep on picking a scab,

0:43:33.080 --> 0:43:36.120
<v Speaker 1>it's not going to heal. But don't pick the scab. Also,

0:43:36.160 --> 0:43:38.359
<v Speaker 1>don't text them back. So essentially that's what I mean.

0:43:38.719 --> 0:43:40.920
<v Speaker 1>Don't go for coffee DAIDs, don't do drive bys, don't

0:43:40.960 --> 0:43:43.160
<v Speaker 1>try and run into them, don't stalk their social media,

0:43:43.320 --> 0:43:46.120
<v Speaker 1>don't clean their phone number, don't text them at least

0:43:46.200 --> 0:43:47.759
<v Speaker 1>for a while. We're not saying you have to cut

0:43:47.760 --> 0:43:49.560
<v Speaker 1>these people out of your life forever. Don't watching their

0:43:49.560 --> 0:43:53.080
<v Speaker 1>stories on Instagram, stop making fake Instagram accounts so you

0:43:53.120 --> 0:43:56.800
<v Speaker 1>can go follow them. But it's really important. And obviously

0:43:56.840 --> 0:43:58.800
<v Speaker 1>this is not going to be for everyone. Some people

0:43:59.200 --> 0:44:01.840
<v Speaker 1>are going to have relationships where they're children involved, and

0:44:01.880 --> 0:44:04.760
<v Speaker 1>they absolutely have to have that communication. That's so fine.

0:44:04.840 --> 0:44:07.680
<v Speaker 1>But the most important thing here is to set boundaries.

0:44:07.719 --> 0:44:11.919
<v Speaker 1>Regardless of your situation, have boundaries. If you don't have

0:44:12.160 --> 0:44:14.520
<v Speaker 1>to see them for a period of time, like you

0:44:14.520 --> 0:44:17.120
<v Speaker 1>don't have children, then yeah, you need to cut them off.

0:44:17.160 --> 0:44:19.440
<v Speaker 1>Otherwise you're just gonna keep picking up that scab.

0:44:19.920 --> 0:44:21.680
<v Speaker 3>Okay, the second one that BRIT's put on this list,

0:44:21.719 --> 0:44:23.680
<v Speaker 3>which I really fucking like how she's titled this. She's

0:44:23.719 --> 0:44:27.200
<v Speaker 3>just written get a life, which I'm gonna say this

0:44:27.280 --> 0:44:29.920
<v Speaker 3>is my favorite point of the entire episode so far

0:44:29.960 --> 0:44:30.600
<v Speaker 3>in a nice.

0:44:30.480 --> 0:44:32.719
<v Speaker 1>Cute way there, but like, get alive, but get alife,

0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:34.520
<v Speaker 1>get alive, and I know that that is going to

0:44:34.640 --> 0:44:37.080
<v Speaker 1>hit so hard for someone who is in the absolute

0:44:37.400 --> 0:44:40.680
<v Speaker 1>trenches of feeling this. But get a different life, get.

0:44:40.480 --> 0:44:43.320
<v Speaker 3>A different life, get a new identity, find new things

0:44:43.320 --> 0:44:46.080
<v Speaker 3>that give you purpose. So I think, like, not only

0:44:46.120 --> 0:44:48.880
<v Speaker 3>just get a life, but work on the things and

0:44:49.000 --> 0:44:53.480
<v Speaker 3>figure out the reasons why that relationship was so important. Like,

0:44:53.760 --> 0:44:55.759
<v Speaker 3>of course relationships are important, and of course you're gonna

0:44:55.800 --> 0:44:58.200
<v Speaker 3>love someone for who they are, but if that person

0:44:58.360 --> 0:45:00.719
<v Speaker 3>was the sole source of why you loved, if they

0:45:00.719 --> 0:45:02.960
<v Speaker 3>were your sole source of why you felt happy, And

0:45:03.000 --> 0:45:04.759
<v Speaker 3>this is the really dangerous thing that we can do

0:45:04.800 --> 0:45:08.640
<v Speaker 3>in relationships, is we can put our entire happiness in

0:45:08.719 --> 0:45:11.520
<v Speaker 3>somebody else, and so when they leave, we're like, well,

0:45:11.520 --> 0:45:13.359
<v Speaker 3>how am I ever going to be happy again? Because

0:45:13.400 --> 0:45:16.160
<v Speaker 3>I don't have that person in my life. It's really

0:45:16.200 --> 0:45:18.960
<v Speaker 3>important that, regardless of how strong and how healthy and

0:45:18.960 --> 0:45:21.839
<v Speaker 3>how wonderful your relationship is, that you still have other

0:45:21.880 --> 0:45:24.239
<v Speaker 3>things in your life that give you purpose and that

0:45:24.280 --> 0:45:25.960
<v Speaker 3>you still have other things in your life that give

0:45:26.000 --> 0:45:26.520
<v Speaker 3>you value.

0:45:26.719 --> 0:45:28.560
<v Speaker 1>And maybe that's just starting to go to a new

0:45:28.600 --> 0:45:30.840
<v Speaker 1>local cafe instead of going to the same place that

0:45:30.880 --> 0:45:32.720
<v Speaker 1>makes you think of them. Maybe it's a new hobby

0:45:32.800 --> 0:45:34.680
<v Speaker 1>or a new sport. Maybe it's like Laura where she

0:45:34.719 --> 0:45:37.640
<v Speaker 1>took up solcial lessons. I took up Italian classes at

0:45:37.680 --> 0:45:40.920
<v Speaker 1>a local tape. And it's like having great friendships. It's

0:45:40.960 --> 0:45:42.480
<v Speaker 1>not just like as soon as you get in a

0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:45.600
<v Speaker 1>relationship allowing everything else to go by the wayside, because

0:45:45.640 --> 0:45:48.640
<v Speaker 1>you invest one hundred percent in that person, Like that's

0:45:48.840 --> 0:45:51.640
<v Speaker 1>so important. And I think that when breakups are so

0:45:51.760 --> 0:45:55.520
<v Speaker 1>difficult and you require so much closure, it may be

0:45:55.520 --> 0:45:58.480
<v Speaker 1>because there's other things in your life that are lacking. Thirdly,

0:45:58.920 --> 0:46:02.560
<v Speaker 1>be patient. Time really does heal all wounds. Be kind,

0:46:02.640 --> 0:46:04.520
<v Speaker 1>You're allowed to be sad, You're allowed to sit in

0:46:04.520 --> 0:46:08.680
<v Speaker 1>those feelings. When I say time heals all wounds, time

0:46:08.719 --> 0:46:12.719
<v Speaker 1>also needs a helping hand. So ultimately, what we want

0:46:12.719 --> 0:46:16.399
<v Speaker 1>to end on is know that you as an individual

0:46:17.000 --> 0:46:20.279
<v Speaker 1>are very capable and are complete control of what you

0:46:20.360 --> 0:46:22.160
<v Speaker 1>do with your thoughts and feelings. And I think that

0:46:22.280 --> 0:46:25.560
<v Speaker 1>is really really important whether you really want to go

0:46:25.600 --> 0:46:27.960
<v Speaker 1>and you're like dying to text them, you're dying to

0:46:28.000 --> 0:46:30.800
<v Speaker 1>be angry at them. You din't ask them questions, write

0:46:30.840 --> 0:46:33.600
<v Speaker 1>them down, Just write things down. You'll feel so much better.

0:46:33.760 --> 0:46:35.680
<v Speaker 1>Call a friend and say what you want to say

0:46:35.680 --> 0:46:37.960
<v Speaker 1>to the friend because quite often you just want to

0:46:38.040 --> 0:46:40.080
<v Speaker 1>vent and you don't really care who you vent to.

0:46:40.520 --> 0:46:42.279
<v Speaker 1>Laura and I do that all the time. We used

0:46:42.280 --> 0:46:44.600
<v Speaker 1>to go like, we all call each other all the

0:46:44.640 --> 0:46:46.799
<v Speaker 1>time and just vent whatever we want to say. I've

0:46:46.800 --> 0:46:49.279
<v Speaker 1>saved myself so many arguments by just texting them to

0:46:49.280 --> 0:46:51.000
<v Speaker 1>the bridge, you know, we just talk her off a cliff.

0:46:52.080 --> 0:46:53.680
<v Speaker 3>But I think like at the end of the day,

0:46:53.800 --> 0:46:55.319
<v Speaker 3>and maybe I don't know if you agree with me

0:46:55.360 --> 0:46:58.160
<v Speaker 3>on this, brit but like genuine closure for me anyway,

0:46:58.400 --> 0:47:00.680
<v Speaker 3>is when I can look back on a relationship or

0:47:00.680 --> 0:47:03.320
<v Speaker 3>look at a person who I've had a big fooling

0:47:03.320 --> 0:47:06.319
<v Speaker 3>at with and think to myself, I wish them well,

0:47:06.719 --> 0:47:09.640
<v Speaker 3>Like I don't hold any resentment, I don't hold any anger.

0:47:10.040 --> 0:47:12.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't feel sad or jealous or anything.

0:47:12.520 --> 0:47:14.440
<v Speaker 3>When they're moving on with their life or they have

0:47:14.520 --> 0:47:17.239
<v Speaker 3>found a new partner or whatever it is for me,

0:47:17.520 --> 0:47:20.240
<v Speaker 3>genuine closure. And I mean, obviously I have genuine closure

0:47:20.280 --> 0:47:23.239
<v Speaker 3>with all my relationships ex relationships now, but pre Matt,

0:47:23.440 --> 0:47:25.319
<v Speaker 3>it was when I could look at that person and go,

0:47:26.160 --> 0:47:28.120
<v Speaker 3>I don't wish ill of you. I want you to

0:47:28.120 --> 0:47:30.120
<v Speaker 3>be happy. I want you to move on with your life,

0:47:30.120 --> 0:47:32.319
<v Speaker 3>and it doesn't hurt me that you're moving on with

0:47:32.360 --> 0:47:32.759
<v Speaker 3>your life.

0:47:32.800 --> 0:47:35.759
<v Speaker 1>That's what I think genuine closure is. Amen. It's a

0:47:35.840 --> 0:47:38.960
<v Speaker 1>really really beautiful thing when you get to a point

0:47:39.560 --> 0:47:42.440
<v Speaker 1>where life can throw something at you and you know

0:47:42.520 --> 0:47:44.640
<v Speaker 1>you're equipped to deal with it. It is a really

0:47:44.680 --> 0:47:47.040
<v Speaker 1>really nice thing. And I do feel like I'm lucky enough.

0:47:47.120 --> 0:47:49.440
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't always, but I'm lucky enough to be in

0:47:49.440 --> 0:47:51.239
<v Speaker 1>a place now where I do feel like I can

0:47:51.280 --> 0:47:53.080
<v Speaker 1>deal with a lot. And that's not to say I

0:47:53.080 --> 0:47:56.040
<v Speaker 1>don't get sad and depressed and angry and mad, but

0:47:56.120 --> 0:47:57.400
<v Speaker 1>I know what to do with it now, and I

0:47:57.480 --> 0:47:59.440
<v Speaker 1>know where to channel my feelings and my anger and

0:47:59.480 --> 0:48:02.440
<v Speaker 1>my thoughts. And honestly, when I learned that skill, it

0:48:02.520 --> 0:48:06.200
<v Speaker 1>changed my whole life because there's a level of acceptance.

0:48:06.239 --> 0:48:08.920
<v Speaker 1>And again I'm talking about guys. This is just in

0:48:09.320 --> 0:48:12.680
<v Speaker 1>relationships and jobs. I do not want to put the

0:48:12.719 --> 0:48:14.839
<v Speaker 1>death or the loss of someone in your life into

0:48:14.840 --> 0:48:17.200
<v Speaker 1>this category, because that is a whole nother ballpark, and

0:48:17.239 --> 0:48:18.839
<v Speaker 1>of course you're going to need a whole lot of

0:48:18.880 --> 0:48:20.759
<v Speaker 1>time to heal with that and a whole lot of

0:48:20.840 --> 0:48:22.600
<v Speaker 1>help from a lot of people. So we're not talking

0:48:22.600 --> 0:48:26.000
<v Speaker 1>about that. But I'm one hundred percent and I've put

0:48:26.000 --> 0:48:27.920
<v Speaker 1>a lot of work into it to get to this place.

0:48:28.280 --> 0:48:31.680
<v Speaker 1>You could throw anything at me now and I'll feel

0:48:31.680 --> 0:48:35.000
<v Speaker 1>the feelings and it will still hurt, but I don't

0:48:35.080 --> 0:48:37.680
<v Speaker 1>let it stop me from living my best life in

0:48:37.719 --> 0:48:39.680
<v Speaker 1>the future. I just know how to handle it and

0:48:39.719 --> 0:48:42.600
<v Speaker 1>move forward. And I really hope that everyone can get

0:48:42.640 --> 0:48:46.760
<v Speaker 1>to that point, because one hundred percent changes your whole life.

0:48:46.680 --> 0:48:48.640
<v Speaker 3>And I hope like listening to this episode as well,

0:48:48.719 --> 0:48:51.000
<v Speaker 3>like you get something out of this conversation, and if

0:48:51.040 --> 0:48:53.440
<v Speaker 3>you ask somebody who has been holding onto something or

0:48:53.440 --> 0:48:56.400
<v Speaker 3>feeling like you aren't able to move on really thinking

0:48:56.440 --> 0:48:58.960
<v Speaker 3>about how you can better invest in yourself, or what

0:48:59.040 --> 0:49:01.279
<v Speaker 3>conversations you can have with your friends, or maybe go

0:49:01.320 --> 0:49:03.600
<v Speaker 3>and speak to a psychiatrist or speak to a counselor

0:49:03.960 --> 0:49:07.719
<v Speaker 3>in regards to like what can you do for yourself

0:49:08.000 --> 0:49:09.800
<v Speaker 3>that will better put you in a position in the

0:49:09.880 --> 0:49:12.359
<v Speaker 3>future to be able to go when somebody or if

0:49:12.400 --> 0:49:16.080
<v Speaker 3>somebody walks out of your life, go, Okay, that hurts

0:49:16.520 --> 0:49:18.319
<v Speaker 3>that they didn't take my whole sense of self with

0:49:18.360 --> 0:49:22.319
<v Speaker 3>them the end. All right, guys, you know that we

0:49:22.400 --> 0:49:25.120
<v Speaker 3>never finished an episode without our suck and our sweet

0:49:25.120 --> 0:49:28.560
<v Speaker 3>our highlight and our low light of each and every week.

0:49:28.880 --> 0:49:34.000
<v Speaker 1>And Brittany, you can go first, Okay, my suck was that.

0:49:34.160 --> 0:49:37.000
<v Speaker 1>What's not was it is is ongoing, is that I

0:49:37.040 --> 0:49:40.440
<v Speaker 1>froze my eggs last week. And what they don't tell you,

0:49:40.520 --> 0:49:42.680
<v Speaker 1>and what you don't know is that you think once

0:49:42.719 --> 0:49:45.319
<v Speaker 1>the freeze is over that it gets better because you're

0:49:45.360 --> 0:49:48.160
<v Speaker 1>on two weeks of hormone injections. I'm days after now

0:49:48.239 --> 0:49:51.520
<v Speaker 1>and I'm in so much pain still, so for like

0:49:51.560 --> 0:49:54.680
<v Speaker 1>another ten days or so or until your next period,

0:49:54.800 --> 0:49:56.520
<v Speaker 1>you are like, I look like I have a small

0:49:56.600 --> 0:49:59.400
<v Speaker 1>child in my belly. You're so bloated, it's rock solid.

0:49:59.480 --> 0:50:02.279
<v Speaker 1>It's very, very painful. I asked Laura to bring me

0:50:02.280 --> 0:50:04.080
<v Speaker 1>some tea overfish and I I didn't have any like

0:50:04.239 --> 0:50:05.200
<v Speaker 1>soothing belly tea.

0:50:05.360 --> 0:50:08.080
<v Speaker 3>Also, britt kept on sending us videos of her off

0:50:08.080 --> 0:50:09.520
<v Speaker 3>her face on Oh.

0:50:09.480 --> 0:50:12.400
<v Speaker 1>My God, I was if you guys haven't seen my

0:50:12.480 --> 0:50:15.120
<v Speaker 1>page yet. It was her face. I was off chops

0:50:15.160 --> 0:50:18.279
<v Speaker 1>on drugs after the anesthetic, and for some reason I

0:50:18.320 --> 0:50:19.400
<v Speaker 1>got my phone back.

0:50:19.640 --> 0:50:22.920
<v Speaker 3>Somebody needed to take the girl's phone away, and I

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<v Speaker 3>just started to message my group chat, my friends and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't remember doing it, and I'm just sending

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<v Speaker 1>them ridiculous videos.

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<v Speaker 4>So I've just come out of the anesthetic. That's so drowsy.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think I'm all the way back to normal yet.

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<v Speaker 4>I better go before I say something stupid. Probably be

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<v Speaker 4>good to red a podcast now, that'd be fun.

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<v Speaker 1>This is one video I'll show you, Laura. I'm like

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<v Speaker 1>seductively looking at the camera and I don't look away,

0:50:54.560 --> 0:50:57.680
<v Speaker 1>and I'm drinking my sprite and I'm just looking at it,

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<v Speaker 1>drinking it. And then at the end, I don't pray

0:51:00.320 --> 0:51:03.279
<v Speaker 1>guyeicondact and I'm like, it's delicious and that's all I say.

0:51:03.360 --> 0:51:04.759
<v Speaker 1>And that's the video. And I said that to my

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<v Speaker 1>friends and I'm not like what, But I'm just stealing

0:51:08.040 --> 0:51:10.560
<v Speaker 1>a lot of discomfort and pain. But it's so fine

0:51:10.600 --> 0:51:12.920
<v Speaker 1>and it's so manual. But that's for sure, my suck.

0:51:13.680 --> 0:51:16.960
<v Speaker 1>My sweet would have to be if you guys listened,

0:51:17.239 --> 0:51:19.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm taking a little bit of Laura's sweet today. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not the same sweet Laura, don't I literally just spoke

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<v Speaker 1>about She was like, what is your suck?

0:51:23.520 --> 0:51:24.880
<v Speaker 3>And you're sweet? And I told her my sweet and

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<v Speaker 3>now she's stealing my no I see it happening, glazing

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<v Speaker 3>over it.

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<v Speaker 1>She was like, fuck, I don't have one. My sweet

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<v Speaker 1>is a part of your sweets And I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>you actually need to go first. Okay, guys, my sweet

0:51:39.360 --> 0:51:41.480
<v Speaker 1>I'll jump here. You jump in. You know you say

0:51:41.880 --> 0:51:42.560
<v Speaker 1>you suck first.

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<v Speaker 3>We try and bring you these episodes with like high

0:51:45.719 --> 0:51:48.440
<v Speaker 3>energy and lots of positivity. But I actually rocked up

0:51:48.440 --> 0:51:51.200
<v Speaker 3>at BRIT's house in tears today because I just sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>have the parental guilts, which I've been having really bad

0:51:54.480 --> 0:51:58.280
<v Speaker 3>in the last little bit. Mollie has been sick this weekend,

0:51:58.640 --> 0:52:03.239
<v Speaker 3>Lola has conjunctive, and I've just been kicked sideways from

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<v Speaker 3>the whole parenting thing. And it's funny because I get

0:52:05.200 --> 0:52:06.680
<v Speaker 3>a lot of people who message me in They're like,

0:52:06.719 --> 0:52:08.600
<v Speaker 3>how do you manage to do it all? And the

0:52:08.680 --> 0:52:12.879
<v Speaker 3>truth is I don't. Some days has their breakdowns too. Yeah,

0:52:12.960 --> 0:52:15.600
<v Speaker 3>some days are great and some days, you know, I

0:52:15.640 --> 0:52:18.040
<v Speaker 3>feel like I'm kicking goals. And then I have weekends

0:52:18.040 --> 0:52:21.279
<v Speaker 3>like this weekend just passed, and I feel like a

0:52:21.320 --> 0:52:24.440
<v Speaker 3>really really shitty mum, and like, look, Mully's at home

0:52:24.520 --> 0:52:27.520
<v Speaker 3>and Laura's at home, they're both unwell, and Matt's with them.

0:52:27.960 --> 0:52:30.560
<v Speaker 3>And I just did six Days by myself while Matt

0:52:30.600 --> 0:52:32.600
<v Speaker 3>was in Hamilton Island, and like, I'm not a bad

0:52:32.680 --> 0:52:34.680
<v Speaker 3>mum by leaving at home for two hours to come

0:52:34.680 --> 0:52:37.279
<v Speaker 3>and do this record, but I feel like a bad mum,

0:52:37.360 --> 0:52:39.120
<v Speaker 3>Like I feel like I'm doing a shitty job and

0:52:39.160 --> 0:52:41.240
<v Speaker 3>I just want to be home with my girls, so which.

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<v Speaker 1>You're absolutely not, But I mean to try and make

0:52:43.200 --> 0:52:46.440
<v Speaker 1>light of a situation. My favorite part of that situation.

0:52:46.680 --> 0:52:48.600
<v Speaker 1>Obviously there's nothing good about it, but you and I

0:52:48.600 --> 0:52:50.360
<v Speaker 1>have cry in front of each other so many times.

0:52:50.440 --> 0:52:52.879
<v Speaker 1>And when Laura cries steal in front of me, she

0:52:53.000 --> 0:52:55.439
<v Speaker 1>does this really cute thing. Well, she curls something a ball,

0:52:55.480 --> 0:52:58.320
<v Speaker 1>and then she pulls her jump up like she's actually

0:52:58.320 --> 0:53:00.440
<v Speaker 1>a child. She pulls her jumper over her head so

0:53:00.480 --> 0:53:03.959
<v Speaker 1>her head is in like a turtle inside a Shellogy cries.

0:53:04.000 --> 0:53:05.320
<v Speaker 1>I still like she won't let me just see a

0:53:05.400 --> 0:53:08.080
<v Speaker 1>cry like a little scrotum that sucked back inside.

0:53:08.160 --> 0:53:11.040
<v Speaker 3>I struggle with vulnerability, guys, and don't really cry in

0:53:11.040 --> 0:53:12.799
<v Speaker 3>front of people, so I like to pull my shirt

0:53:12.840 --> 0:53:14.839
<v Speaker 3>over my head and crime and I'm a real ugly crier.

0:53:15.000 --> 0:53:17.840
<v Speaker 1>So yeah that's what I did. So yeah, look, I've been.

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<v Speaker 3>Having some pretty hectic mum guilts lately and that's my suck,

0:53:22.520 --> 0:53:23.680
<v Speaker 3>which I hope you can reason.

0:53:23.800 --> 0:53:25.640
<v Speaker 1>Like you just said, you just did the six days

0:53:25.880 --> 0:53:29.319
<v Speaker 1>on your own, and you're absolutely not being a terrible mother.

0:53:29.480 --> 0:53:31.520
<v Speaker 1>And obviously I can't understand their parent guilds because I

0:53:31.520 --> 0:53:34.279
<v Speaker 1>don't have children, but I can one hundred percent tell

0:53:34.280 --> 0:53:36.359
<v Speaker 1>you you are a bloody good mom and you're doing

0:53:36.360 --> 0:53:37.160
<v Speaker 1>a bloody good job.

0:53:37.239 --> 0:53:39.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but you're the stupid thing about this is and

0:53:39.440 --> 0:53:42.080
<v Speaker 3>like for me now, like I admit this now, because

0:53:42.120 --> 0:53:44.200
<v Speaker 3>you know, we're one big life on Cut Family, But

0:53:44.360 --> 0:53:48.000
<v Speaker 3>me saying on the podcast, like you know, obviously me

0:53:48.080 --> 0:53:50.239
<v Speaker 3>coming and doing the record for two hours and Matt

0:53:50.320 --> 0:53:53.080
<v Speaker 3>was away for six days, Like I'm not justifying that

0:53:53.120 --> 0:53:55.480
<v Speaker 3>to myself, like I realized, I'm actually justifying that to

0:53:55.520 --> 0:53:57.600
<v Speaker 3>people who are listening who might go, oh, well, you

0:53:57.640 --> 0:53:59.319
<v Speaker 3>are a bad mum. For leaving your kids at home

0:53:59.360 --> 0:54:01.520
<v Speaker 3>and they're not well crazy like that's what I think,

0:54:01.560 --> 0:54:04.040
<v Speaker 3>you know, and like it's conjunct dividus and they're still

0:54:04.080 --> 0:54:06.880
<v Speaker 3>a cult, like it's they're fine, But I don't know.

0:54:06.920 --> 0:54:10.520
<v Speaker 3>I think like anybody who has kids knows how you

0:54:10.520 --> 0:54:13.120
<v Speaker 3>go through these stories of like some days you do

0:54:13.239 --> 0:54:15.160
<v Speaker 3>really feel like you're nailing it. Another days you really

0:54:15.160 --> 0:54:18.480
<v Speaker 3>feel like, wow, maybe I'm not that good at this

0:54:18.520 --> 0:54:21.719
<v Speaker 3>whole parenting thing, and yeah, maybe it's important. Maybe like

0:54:21.800 --> 0:54:24.280
<v Speaker 3>having this doubt and having this sort of imposter syndrome

0:54:24.280 --> 0:54:26.320
<v Speaker 3>when it comes to being a mum makes us be.

0:54:26.160 --> 0:54:27.520
<v Speaker 1>Better mums in the long run.

0:54:27.560 --> 0:54:30.719
<v Speaker 3>But anyway, that's my as I suck my sweet is

0:54:30.880 --> 0:54:33.200
<v Speaker 3>and my sweet will will be for a while. Was

0:54:33.239 --> 0:54:35.400
<v Speaker 3>the bonus episode that we did last week, Guys, I

0:54:35.440 --> 0:54:38.399
<v Speaker 3>have had so many of you messaged me. I've kind

0:54:38.400 --> 0:54:40.959
<v Speaker 3>of forgot a story I told on the bonus episode.

0:54:40.719 --> 0:54:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Was if you haven't listened to the bonus episode, you

0:54:43.080 --> 0:54:45.680
<v Speaker 1>guys are missing out. It's like, it's my favorite episode

0:54:45.719 --> 0:54:47.320
<v Speaker 1>we've done in a really long time.

0:54:47.320 --> 0:54:48.719
<v Speaker 3>So you need to go back and listen to it.

0:54:48.719 --> 0:54:52.400
<v Speaker 3>It's a bonus episode. On just accidentally unfiltered stories. So

0:54:52.520 --> 0:54:55.040
<v Speaker 3>many of you messaged me about a story I told

0:54:55.040 --> 0:54:57.600
<v Speaker 3>on there about how I used to date a guy

0:54:57.600 --> 0:54:59.240
<v Speaker 3>who wanted to have sex with the back of my knee.

0:54:59.280 --> 0:55:02.600
<v Speaker 1>Okay, he did. He had a lot of sex with

0:55:02.680 --> 0:55:04.640
<v Speaker 1>the back of your knee, the knee fat when you

0:55:04.680 --> 0:55:07.719
<v Speaker 1>crease it, because he wanted to have sex with all

0:55:07.719 --> 0:55:07.920
<v Speaker 1>of you.

0:55:08.040 --> 0:55:10.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, go listen to the episode. It's great, that's my sweet.

0:55:10.400 --> 0:55:12.839
<v Speaker 3>It's really I go. Actually, every time I listen back

0:55:12.840 --> 0:55:14.600
<v Speaker 3>to it, it makes me laugh. Okay, I hope it has

0:55:14.640 --> 0:55:15.440
<v Speaker 3>the same effect for you.

0:55:15.600 --> 0:55:18.120
<v Speaker 1>So my sweet is not like Laura's Sweet is a

0:55:18.120 --> 0:55:20.520
<v Speaker 1>bonus episode and how many people wrote to her about it.

0:55:20.840 --> 0:55:22.960
<v Speaker 1>My sweet is the fact that I was also getting

0:55:22.960 --> 0:55:25.120
<v Speaker 1>a lot of messages about the episode in general, but

0:55:25.200 --> 0:55:28.200
<v Speaker 1>about Laura's boyfriend wanting to have sex with her knee.

0:55:28.360 --> 0:55:32.000
<v Speaker 1>But it's not mad now, guys, but Doris, I was eighteen.

0:55:32.200 --> 0:55:34.840
<v Speaker 1>This is my favorite part. My sweet is getting a

0:55:34.880 --> 0:55:38.360
<v Speaker 1>message from Laura that said, hey, Britt, I'm getting a

0:55:38.400 --> 0:55:40.520
<v Speaker 1>lot of messages about a knee thing and how funny

0:55:40.520 --> 0:55:42.880
<v Speaker 1>it is. What are they talking about? And I was like,

0:55:42.960 --> 0:55:45.120
<v Speaker 1>oh my fucking god. I was like, are you serious?

0:55:45.120 --> 0:55:47.000
<v Speaker 1>And she's like, yeah, what was the knee thing? This

0:55:47.120 --> 0:55:49.440
<v Speaker 1>was a day later. I was like, how have you forgotten?

0:55:49.760 --> 0:55:51.200
<v Speaker 1>I was like, the knee thing where your X fucked

0:55:51.200 --> 0:55:53.000
<v Speaker 1>you knee. She's like, oh, I forgot that, That's what

0:55:53.040 --> 0:55:54.759
<v Speaker 1>they were laughing at. I was like, how have you

0:55:54.800 --> 0:55:56.719
<v Speaker 1>forgotten the funniest story in existence?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, if you have no idea what we're talking about,

0:56:00.120 --> 0:56:02.840
<v Speaker 3>go back listen to the bonus episode. You will not

0:56:02.920 --> 0:56:05.080
<v Speaker 3>be disappointed. You will have a good chuckle. And that

0:56:05.200 --> 0:56:06.600
<v Speaker 3>is in from us for today.

0:56:06.680 --> 0:56:08.959
<v Speaker 1>Guys. I am sick of my own voice this week.

0:56:09.000 --> 0:56:11.120
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I feel like we've been recording every

0:56:11.120 --> 0:56:13.160
<v Speaker 1>single day. So that is me. I am tapping out

0:56:13.200 --> 0:56:15.040
<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to eat some more ice cream because

0:56:15.080 --> 0:56:18.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm an ice cream fiend. You know the drill. If

0:56:18.600 --> 0:56:21.239
<v Speaker 1>you aren't part of the Facebook discussion group where you at,

0:56:21.280 --> 0:56:23.319
<v Speaker 1>that's where all the magic happens, is where all the

0:56:23.320 --> 0:56:25.480
<v Speaker 1>big juicy conversation happens, and that's where a lot of

0:56:25.480 --> 0:56:28.080
<v Speaker 1>people are making friends. So that's life uncut Facebook. On

0:56:28.520 --> 0:56:30.839
<v Speaker 1>Facebook discussion group, don't go into the page. I mean,

0:56:30.880 --> 0:56:33.640
<v Speaker 1>do go into the page, but it's like secret squirrel clubs,

0:56:33.640 --> 0:56:35.520
<v Speaker 1>So go onto the page and then go into the

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