Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Speaker 1: Sophie Torba and coming up on today's show, Mummy Blogger
Speaker 1: Sarah Kerns is facing criticism after unveiling her plans to
Speaker 1: release a fitness program. Steph glare Smith's shot pregnancy.
Speaker 2: News the first.
Speaker 1: Matt Sakowski's ex, Genevieve Ward, has broken her silence just
Speaker 1: weeks out from her former boyfriend's wedding to Tammy Henbroke Hate.
Speaker 2: Can you tell us what's gone down?
Speaker 3: Well? Jen has been silent thus far, but she has
Speaker 3: come out swinging in defense of podcast at Megan pisetto.
Speaker 2: So As We Discussed.
Speaker 3: A few weeks back, Megan released an explosive expose on
Speaker 3: Matt Sakowski on her podcast So Dramatic and in the episode,
Speaker 3: the journalists claim that Matt was a serial cheat who
Speaker 3: auditioned for Love Island UK while dating Jen, and she
Speaker 3: also accused Matt of cheating on Jen with.
Speaker 1: Tam Now in the episode, Meghan said that she got
Speaker 1: the information from Jen's friends, but I have a feeling
Speaker 1: it was really from Jen herself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, late last week, Megan revealed she was forced to
Speaker 3: remove the episodes about Matt. She wrote on Instagram, My
Speaker 3: Matt T. Sakowski episodes have been taken down by the
Speaker 3: powers that be. If you would like to listen to
Speaker 3: these episodes in the time being until I sought things out,
Speaker 3: you will have to listen to them on Patreon. Now
Speaker 3: this is where Jen comes in, because Jen commented underneath
Speaker 3: the post, trying to silence you like he did me,
Speaker 3: he knows I have the print screens, and she added
Speaker 3: a crying with laughter emoji. Now. Megan quickly shared Jen's
Speaker 3: comment to her Instagram story and added a poll asking
Speaker 3: her followers if she should publish the evidence yes now.
Speaker 3: The response was a resounding yes, and after obviously being
Speaker 3: bombarded with questions, Megan followed up with another post that read,
Speaker 3: for the record, the episodes were not taken down by me,
Speaker 3: and not taken down because of lawyers or defamation. I
Speaker 3: can confidently back all claims in both episodes up with evidence.
Speaker 3: I will explain why they have been taken down in
Speaker 3: due time, but it has nothing to do with me
Speaker 3: not being able to back up the claims in the episodes.
Speaker 3: I wonder if it has anything to do with the
Speaker 3: platform that Megan's on. She is an over podcast, Matt's
Speaker 3: podcast is an over podcast. They only recently got signed
Speaker 3: to Nova.
Speaker 2: I would have thought that.
Speaker 3: They would have more loyalty towards So Dramatic. You'd like
Speaker 3: to think, so, I mean So Dramatic rates higher in
Speaker 3: the charts than Anna and Matt's podcasts. I wonder if
Speaker 3: it's the Tammy Hembro effect, though.
Speaker 1: I definitely think it is. Maybe they're trying to get
Speaker 1: Tammy on board to do a podcast with Nova. I
Speaker 1: mean Tammy recently appeared on Matt's podcasts. They're clearly trying
Speaker 1: to boost ratings. I think it's interesting to hear the
Speaker 1: sort of behind the scenes because I think people don't
Speaker 1: really understand how podcasts networks work. So for us, where
Speaker 1: with ARN so we talk about influencers, and there are
Speaker 1: influencer led podcasts who were also on the network, But
Speaker 1: our show is still independent, so the network can't control
Speaker 1: what we talk about.
Speaker 3: So we made sure when we signed our agreement with
Speaker 3: AARN because essentially they help us get sponsorship deals. They
Speaker 3: don't actually own our.
Speaker 1: Podcasts, they don't help us produce it, and we have
Speaker 1: spoken about other talent who have podcasts on the same network,
Speaker 1: but we've never been told that we're not allowed to.
Speaker 2: Even Carl and Jackie.
Speaker 3: Oh remember we had that big run in with them
Speaker 3: as well, and they're obviously an AARN podcast and the
Speaker 3: biggest radio show. It would be different if ARN owned
Speaker 3: our podcast, and I think with Nova they probably are
Speaker 3: some podcasts that they produce in house, so the legalities
Speaker 3: around that would be different. Well, hopefully we won't have
Speaker 3: to wait too long. I feel like Megan is going
Speaker 3: to bring out an expose very soon. Oh, she would
Speaker 3: be raring to go.
Speaker 2: Good morning.
Speaker 4: I've just been chatting with a brand that I work
Speaker 4: with all the time, and I just was like giving
Speaker 4: her a bit of pep talk, and I was like,
Speaker 4: you know what, I think everyone could use his pep talk.
Speaker 3: Divisive mummy blogger Sarah Kerns is facing criticism after unveiling
Speaker 3: her plans to release a fitness program called Project Glow.
Speaker 3: The influencer, who has no qualifications in fitness or nutrition,
Speaker 3: is you ueeing her recent weight loss as a motivator
Speaker 3: to sell the program. Days out from the launch, Sarah's
Speaker 3: former business partner weighed in slamming influences for undermining experts
Speaker 3: and calling out Sarah's use of before and after photos. Now, Sophie,
Speaker 3: For those who aren't familiar with Sarah Kerns, she isn't
Speaker 3: a fitness influencer. She's known for parenting content.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why this thing is just so confusing. So
Speaker 1: she and her husband Brad Kerns are better known as
Speaker 1: dad Mum now. The couple's parenting content really started gaining
Speaker 1: traction after Sarah was admitted to hospital shortly after having
Speaker 1: her son Finn, and Brad had to step in and
Speaker 1: be the mum and look after their kids while she recovered.
Speaker 3: Was it that type of content where the dads say
Speaker 3: that they're babysitting their own children.
Speaker 2: I hate that sort of stuff.
Speaker 3: It's like, you're not babysitting your own kids, you're actually
Speaker 3: just looking after you Ken.
Speaker 1: It's all, oh, what a great dad, Thank god he's
Speaker 1: stepping in and raising his own children.
Speaker 3: But it's also that the hopeless dad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hate it.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: They live on the central coast of New South Wales
Speaker 3: and to me they.
Speaker 2: Come across as you're typical Ossie.
Speaker 1: Battler's I mean, their content isn't that aspirational content, it's
Speaker 1: that relatable content, and they generally play into all of
Speaker 1: the old tropes about you know, the old ball and chain,
Speaker 1: and you know, they take the piss out of each other.
Speaker 3: Can I ask you, do you think the term ball
Speaker 3: and chain is offensive? Because Deya was telling me the
Speaker 3: other day that he had this meeting and this girl
Speaker 3: was saying that she found the term missus offensive, but
Speaker 3: she thought old ball and chain was okay. I think
Speaker 3: old ball and chain can be sort of jokey and comical.
Speaker 3: I mean, I wouldn't really like to be referred to
Speaker 3: I would not be thrilled to be referred to the
Speaker 3: old ball and chain. There's definitely a negative connotation. I
Speaker 3: think missus kind of sounds possessive.
Speaker 2: I think that's the issue with so colloquials.
Speaker 3: It's a bit bogan.
Speaker 2: That's what I said to Dale.
Speaker 3: I said, I'd be less offended by missus than the
Speaker 3: ball and chain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't like either.
Speaker 1: Now, Sarah doesn't have a particularly large following. She has
Speaker 1: around ninety thousand followers, so it's interesting that she is.
Speaker 2: Releasing a big program.
Speaker 3: Like this while she doesn't have a massive following. I
Speaker 3: feel like a lot of people are engaged with her
Speaker 3: content because she's for the wrong reason.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a.
Speaker 3: Lot of hate following, I think going on because she
Speaker 3: is a massive topic of discussion in our group. Now.
Speaker 3: Over the past few months, followers have noticed that Sarah
Speaker 3: has lost a lot of weight twenty five kilos to
Speaker 3: be exact.
Speaker 1: She's been doing a lot of body checks and I
Speaker 1: feel like whenever someone loses a lot of weight, suddenly
Speaker 1: you see a lot of mirror selfies.
Speaker 2: And she said that she has.
Speaker 3: Been inundated with messages from followers asking her how she's
Speaker 3: lost the weight and what her secret is.
Speaker 2: So this was really the catalyst to launch her own
Speaker 2: fitness plan.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's not enough on the market, is there,
Speaker 3: Particularly run by Influence. This is a very unsaturated market.
Speaker 3: It's not really something that ties in with their brand normally,
Speaker 3: is it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, she said that she really wanted to help her
Speaker 1: followers find their glow, which I have to say, in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four is.
Speaker 2: Code word for lose weight.
Speaker 1: So I'm just so sick of these fitness programs that
Speaker 1: are marketed as, oh, we're just trying to help you
Speaker 1: find your glow. It's not about inside, it's not about
Speaker 1: weight loss, but you're also trying to lose twenty five
Speaker 1: kilos at the same time as Galowie. But to be fair,
Speaker 1: if someone was to put out a marketing campaign that
Speaker 1: was literally saying, oh, this is how you lose x
Speaker 1: amount of weight, it would be heavily criticized. I mean,
Speaker 1: it'd be kind of refreshing. At least you know what
Speaker 1: you're getting. I'm so sick of being sold a lie.
Speaker 3: Well, Jennifer Aniston recently brought one out that was exactly
Speaker 3: like that. It was like, you can look like me
Speaker 3: if you do X, Y and Z. And yes, it's
Speaker 3: very old school, but I think that as consumers in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, we kind of can see through the
Speaker 3: bullshit now and how do we get a copy of
Speaker 3: that guy?
Speaker 2: Like Jennifer Adiston.
Speaker 1: What I didn't like as well is that she kind
Speaker 1: of acted like she was a hero for helping everyone out.
Speaker 1: She's like, I just need to help my community. So
Speaker 1: that's why I'm releasing the guide. I mean, it's not
Speaker 1: because she wants to make a lot of money off it.
Speaker 1: It's because she wants.
Speaker 2: To help people.
Speaker 3: Do you think a lot of influencers who have recently
Speaker 3: lost a lot of weight are keen to actually push
Speaker 3: that they're doing it in a healthy way because there's
Speaker 3: so many rumors about ozenpic flying around. Yeah, well, it's
Speaker 3: funny you say that, because a lot of people who
Speaker 3: are like, oh, she's just onpic. So I do think
Speaker 3: that there is an element of wanting to say I
Speaker 3: actually worked hard for this. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now, the initial promotion around this.
Speaker 3: Workout guide was really odd because there was very little
Speaker 3: detail about what was actually on offer, and this led
Speaker 3: to a lot of confusion. So she announced the program
Speaker 3: through a real which included phone vision of her working
Speaker 3: out in the gym, as well as a before and
Speaker 3: after selfie. Now over the vision, she wrote, at the
Speaker 3: start of twenty twenty three, I made myself a promise.
Speaker 2: It was my time. It was hard.
Speaker 1: I wanted to quit more than once, but I worked
Speaker 1: on my mind, body and my self love. I received
Speaker 1: hundreds of messages asking for help, so I created a
Speaker 1: six week journey to arm you with the tools and
Speaker 1: techniques you need to make lasting changes in your life too,
Speaker 1: Project Glow, launching November twelve. She then went onto list
Speaker 1: that the program would include nutrition, exercise, body image, menstrual cycle,
Speaker 1: women's health issues, reiki, healing, mindfulness, life hacks, product recommendations,
Speaker 1: and so much more in Capitals Now.
Speaker 3: Sarah was quite vague when it came to who was
Speaker 3: actually involved in setting up this program, So she mentioned
Speaker 3: that there would be trusted practitioners on board, but she
Speaker 3: initially didn't specify what their qualifications were. It doesn't make
Speaker 3: sense to me why she wouldn't have included these so
Speaker 3: called experts in the early marketing collateral, because I would
Speaker 3: think that they would be a big sell. Yeah, it
Speaker 3: kind of seems like a second thought. And maybe she's
Speaker 3: copped criticism after this announcement. Well she has, which we
Speaker 3: will get into. The whole feel of this announcement was
Speaker 3: really low budget. I was surprised that she didn't have
Speaker 3: a videographer professionally filming the real like everything was just
Speaker 3: on her phone. And it also surprised me because following
Speaker 3: this reel, she put up a ton of Instagram stories
Speaker 3: and they were all just slabs of text explaining the program.
Speaker 2: And what made it even more awkward was that the
Speaker 2: text was riddled with errors.
Speaker 1: I just found it a really odd move because for
Speaker 1: someone like her who's built a following out of with
Speaker 1: her audience. Wouldn't it be better for her to actually
Speaker 1: jump on her stories and talk about the effect that
Speaker 1: this weight loss and also this mind shift has had
Speaker 1: on her.
Speaker 3: I'm guessing it's because she wasn't that confident to talk
Speaker 3: off script about it, because health and fitness is a
Speaker 3: really touchy subject. I mean, we know that she's already
Speaker 3: coped some criticism for the way she's marketed it, so
Speaker 3: it shows that she's not ultra confident in the messaging
Speaker 3: that she's putting it out.
Speaker 1: Well, it was really emphasized how quickly this was thrown
Speaker 1: together in one of the slides, because Sarah wrote, this
Speaker 1: won't be one of those drip feed releases. I've mentioned
Speaker 1: it was in the works a few times and kept
Speaker 1: you all waiting. So we all systems go. Subscribers will
Speaker 1: get access to join tonight. Then I'll open up to
Speaker 1: the masses asap. There are very limited numbers. It's interesting
Speaker 1: that she keeps harping on that there's only limited spots.
Speaker 1: This is a clear marketing technique to create urgency and
Speaker 1: urge people to buy. Because one user jumped on and
Speaker 1: you can on the website, you can click how many
Speaker 1: of the programs you want to order, and they entered
Speaker 1: in nine, nine hundred and ninety nine and they.
Speaker 2: Could add it to their cart.
Speaker 3: So it shows that she is expecting to have large
Speaker 3: numbers sign up.
Speaker 2: It's not this.
Speaker 3: Limited, very exclusive program that she's acting like it is. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because making it sound exclusive gives off the impression that
Speaker 3: she's going to be heavily involved in supporting the community.
Speaker 3: But if there's ten thousand people doing it, it also.
Speaker 1: Makes it sound like there's a live element to it
Speaker 1: and maybe they're doing live workouts together.
Speaker 2: Well, what is it?
Speaker 3: Is it an ebol?
Speaker 1: It's so confusing, So it's not an ebook. It is
Speaker 1: that they've got film, well pre recorded workouts that Sarah
Speaker 1: is doing with a pt And then there's a community element,
Speaker 1: I assume, which is a Facebook group where people can
Speaker 1: connect with the experts and talk to them.
Speaker 3: It's a pretty expensive program. I mean it's a six
Speaker 3: week program for two hundred and forty nine dollars, and
Speaker 3: when you compare it to Kick or even Sarah's Day's plans,
Speaker 3: it's very price. It is expensive. I am a Kick member.
Speaker 3: I have been for probably five years now, and I
Speaker 3: think I pay like one hundred and twenty dollars for
Speaker 3: a year of scrip, so for only six weeks, that
Speaker 3: is a lot. I also don't understand because it's not
Speaker 3: like Kick or Sarah's Day promote their program as having
Speaker 3: limited spots, like they want to get as many people
Speaker 3: in as possible.
Speaker 1: I also think it's not very clear what you actually
Speaker 1: get for the two hundred and forty nine dollars because
Speaker 1: there were just a lot of vague references. There was
Speaker 1: no real key messaging, and it's hard because she just
Speaker 1: seemed focus on telling everyone to sign up before they really.
Speaker 2: Knew what they were getting.
Speaker 3: What I found jarring about the promotion of this plan
Speaker 3: was the clear before and after photos Sarah chose to you,
Speaker 3: so she had two mirror selfies side by side showing
Speaker 3: just how much weight.
Speaker 2: She'd lost over the past year.
Speaker 3: And this kind of marketing it's very twenty tens, particularly
Speaker 3: if you think about Kayla Estinus Vibes. Well, we were
Speaker 3: talking just a little bit earlier about how why can't
Speaker 3: people be more transparent about what they're trying to sell?
Speaker 3: And that obviously worked for Jennifer Aniston because her whole
Speaker 3: image has always been based on what she looks like.
Speaker 3: Obviously she's a brilliant actor as well, but everyone wanted
Speaker 3: her haircut, everyone wants her toned arms from friends. So
Speaker 3: to use Jennifer Aniston as the product to sell her
Speaker 3: fitness guides is an obvious thing. But Sarah Kearns. You
Speaker 3: know she doesn't have the star power of Jennifer Aniston.
Speaker 3: She has the relatability factor. So I know she's trying
Speaker 3: to relate to her audience to be like, I'm a
Speaker 3: typical mum. Look, I've managed to lose this amount of weight,
Speaker 3: but it does feel very backwards.
Speaker 1: But I think what was extra jarring is the fact
Speaker 1: that she's using these before and after photos. But then
Speaker 1: she's going on to claim that the program isn't about
Speaker 1: weight loss, it's about finding yourself.
Speaker 2: It's a contradictory marketing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so she wrote, this is not a quickly lose
Speaker 3: weight by depriving and punishing yourself.
Speaker 2: This is a toolkit to help you live your.
Speaker 3: Happiest lives, to find your glow by working on your mind, body,
Speaker 3: and nervous system. I just think by using it before
Speaker 3: and after photo, it totally goes against any of that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: as we were discussing, either go full bore and say
Speaker 3: this is what you get. This is all about looking
Speaker 3: really good about looking like Jonffer Andison, or you go
Speaker 3: the other route where it's all about mental health and
Speaker 3: self improvement. Another weird thing about this launch is that
Speaker 3: Sarah's already started sharing positive reviews on her Instagram stories.
Speaker 2: What before people have done it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, despite the fact that the project hasn't actually
Speaker 1: launched it. So she wrote, I have just had all
Speaker 1: of these positive reviews flooding in and her heart could
Speaker 1: burst that she's so happy about it.
Speaker 3: And some super slues have pointed out the some of
Speaker 3: the reviews appear to be written by her close friends.
Speaker 3: It's got Mitch Awvil, tiny trucks vise remember all of
Speaker 3: those weird reviews.
Speaker 1: Now this is where Sarah Kerns's former business partner, Sarah
Speaker 1: Willis entered the chat and she weighed in on the program.
Speaker 2: Now, it's quite interesting because.
Speaker 3: The two Sarah's first cross paths when Sarah Willis was
Speaker 3: running a gym called w Tribe on the Central Coast
Speaker 3: and Sarah Kerns was a gym goer.
Speaker 2: So that's how they formed a friendship.
Speaker 3: Now, it is important to point out that Sarah Willis
Speaker 3: is a qualified personal trainer who is now also a psychologist.
Speaker 3: And it's pretty incredible because she was completing her degree
Speaker 3: while she was running her gym. Now, Sarah Willis ended
Speaker 3: up shutting down her gym as a result of COVID
Speaker 3: and also so she could focus on her study. And
Speaker 3: she moved to the Hunter Valley and took over Glen Eden,
Speaker 3: which is in a state where she hosts wellness to retreats.
Speaker 3: So she is very experienced in what she does. And
Speaker 3: during the pandemic, fitness classes were all moving online. So
Speaker 3: after she closed her gym down, she started up a
Speaker 3: fitness program with Sarah Kerns, which they named after her
Speaker 3: old Jim W tribe. Now, did she partner with Sarah
Speaker 3: Kerns to use her profile? Yeah, So the whole niche
Speaker 3: was that these experts were training Sarah Kerns and it
Speaker 3: was launched as this six week online fitness challenge and
Speaker 3: the programs also provided access to meal plans, recipes, shopping
Speaker 3: lists and they were put together by qualified nutritionists.
Speaker 2: No Reikie no.
Speaker 3: Now, a unique element of the program was that you
Speaker 3: could earn points for every workout you did and if
Speaker 3: you reached nutritional goals.
Speaker 2: It sounded like a pretty cool program. It didn't last long, though,
Speaker 2: and neither parties divulged what went wrong.
Speaker 1: They both just said things didn't work out and that
Speaker 1: they didn't align.
Speaker 3: So actually launched but just fizzled out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the program ran, but they just didn't continue it.
Speaker 3: To me, it seems like the program didn't really get
Speaker 3: enough people signing up to it, so maybe Sarah Kerns
Speaker 3: doesn't have that star power pulling people in. Now.
Speaker 1: Sarah Willis has a pretty large following on her own,
Speaker 1: so she goes by the handle the Traveling Psychologist and
Speaker 1: she has a community of forty three thousand people on Instagram.
Speaker 1: And she said that she was inundated with dms about
Speaker 1: Sarah Kern's new program, so she decided to address her
Speaker 1: on her story, but she chose not to name Sarah,
Speaker 1: but rather said that she had received screenshots and messages
Speaker 1: about a fairly controversial influencers new fitness program, and she
Speaker 1: also confirmed that she used to work with the said
Speaker 1: influencer before.
Speaker 3: I said, maybe the fitness program shut down because there
Speaker 3: weren't enough people wanting to be a part of it,
Speaker 3: but it sounds like maybe there was a friendship breakdown
Speaker 3: to Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, the thing is, the Kerns are known for sending
Speaker 1: out legal letters, so I think that Sarah Willis in
Speaker 1: particular wanted to cover herself.
Speaker 2: We've popped one before. Well, yeah we have. That might
Speaker 2: come as a surprise to people because I don't think
Speaker 2: we actually spoke. Oh do we speak about it? I
Speaker 2: can't remember about it, but yeah.
Speaker 1: So she covered herself by saying that she was speaking
Speaker 1: about influencer run projects generally, and so she said that
Speaker 1: she would be addressing the issue of influencers in general
Speaker 1: releasing programs or products in areas they're not qualified in. Now,
Speaker 1: she touched on the impact that these types of fitness
Speaker 1: programs can have on vulnerable consumers and how they undermine
Speaker 1: experts who have spent years training in those fields. Let's
Speaker 1: listen to some of what she said.
Speaker 4: I guess one thing that's really important to note is
Speaker 4: just because you do something or experience something in your
Speaker 4: life does not make you an expert to teach others
Speaker 4: about that process in their life. You can, of course
Speaker 4: be the expert on your own weight loss journey or
Speaker 4: your own birth journey or your own parenting journey. But
Speaker 4: it takes a lot more than just experiencing that to
Speaker 4: have the skills and qualification and credibility to teach others.
Speaker 4: In the wellness industry specifically, there is a lot of
Speaker 4: vulnerable people who have tried a lot of things, and
Speaker 4: there's a lot of barriers to them achieving their goals
Speaker 4: that are so much deeper than just needing someone to
Speaker 4: cheer for you or tell you what to eat right.
Speaker 4: Most women, particularly who are having struggles with their weight
Speaker 4: or their wellness, the issues for them run so much deeper.
Speaker 4: You know, most women are smart, intelligent women who know
Speaker 4: what health looks like, but there's deeper barriers affecting them.
Speaker 4: And you know, the risk is if we just keep
Speaker 4: throwing programs at them that don't address the root cause,
Speaker 4: we're creating further damage for them. I think it's really
Speaker 4: fucking risky for the industry. It undermines all those people
Speaker 4: who go I'd like to teach something, and they go
Speaker 4: and learn the skills and get experience to teach. It
Speaker 4: undermines those people doing the work, but it also puts
Speaker 4: the people the clients at risk as well.
Speaker 3: I think she just articulated what everyone is thinking. And
Speaker 3: it's kind of awkward because we've had Sarah Kerns promoting
Speaker 3: this fitness program who doesn't seem comfortable or confident to
Speaker 3: even come on her stories and speak about the program,
Speaker 3: and then we have Sarah Willis perfectly articulate the issues
Speaker 3: with it. And she took a final swipe at Sarah Kerns,
Speaker 3: saying a general note for anyone navigating this industry, it's
Speaker 3: contradictory when someone claims their message isn't about weight loss,
Speaker 3: yet shares a before and after photo showcasing their weight loss.
Speaker 3: How does that make sense? Just be transparent and stop
Speaker 3: misleading people now.
Speaker 1: It wasn't long before followers began comparing Sarah's old workout
Speaker 1: guide with the new one. So a follower wrote on
Speaker 1: her post, I did the challenge with you and Sarah
Speaker 1: w twice. Is it the same kind of thing now?
Speaker 1: Sarah Kerns responded totally different. This is not a weight
Speaker 1: loss challenge. This is the result of the lessons and
Speaker 1: learnings I needed to go through to finally hit my
Speaker 1: goal weight. Years later, I'm down twenty five kilos and
Speaker 1: most importantly, I'm finally in such a good place around
Speaker 1: my body and accepting how it looks in all its
Speaker 1: changing forms. This covers everything from menstrual cycles to pelvic
Speaker 1: floor health, nutrition to every day mum's putting balanced meals together,
Speaker 1: reiki healing.
Speaker 3: And mindfulness, to pathology testing. It's a huge amount of
Speaker 3: content and support. Should I love this bullshit? It's like,
Speaker 3: I really just want to help my followers. If you
Speaker 3: want to help them, then why don't you just share
Speaker 3: about it for free? Why is it everything like I
Speaker 3: need money? But also, as Sarah W said, what works
Speaker 3: for one person isn't going to necessarily work for another person.
Speaker 3: It's great that you have grown as a per and
Speaker 3: you're really happy with the journey that you've been on,
Speaker 3: but it doesn't mean that everyone else has to do
Speaker 3: the same thing as you, nor will they get the
Speaker 3: same results. Yeah. Now, following this criticism from Sarah Willis,
Speaker 3: Sarah Kern suddenly started sharing profiles of some of the
Speaker 3: practitioners who are involved in her program. So she asked
Speaker 3: her followers to meet the first three practitioners. Now it
Speaker 3: included Sammy Rose, who is a registered counselor and personal
Speaker 3: trainer and ex friend of Ashley by yes, I mean
Speaker 3: that is a legitimate expert there.
Speaker 1: It then got to be odd, so she included Sarah Kent,
Speaker 1: who is a raiki master and intuitive healer, and then
Speaker 1: Nicki Reeves, whose claim to fame is a DIY queen.
Speaker 2: So but DIY, how does that relate to the fitness industry.
Speaker 2: I have no idea.
Speaker 1: I do not know why you would lead with this,
Speaker 1: because she's obviously inferring that she's going to introduce more
Speaker 1: experts along the way, like this.
Speaker 2: Is how you make your own tread. She's trying to.
Speaker 1: Prove a point, and she does have genuine experts on board.
Speaker 1: Why didn't she lead with a nutritionist or a psychologist,
Speaker 1: particularly when she's talking about, you know, this program isn't
Speaker 1: just about losing weight, it's about working yourself and glowing
Speaker 1: from the inside.
Speaker 3: It seems like she's doing a massive ring around trying
Speaker 3: to find some professionals, Especially if you're leading with the
Speaker 3: DIY queen. I'm surprised she doesn't have a professional spray
Speaker 3: tanner for the.
Speaker 2: Glow that she's promising everyone.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't want to share on people's job titles,
Speaker 3: but it does sound like she's made half of these
Speaker 3: job titles up because she also recently touched on the
Speaker 3: fact that she has.
Speaker 2: A menstrual coach involved in the program.
Speaker 3: I mean, shouldn't it be a GP or a gynecologist? Like,
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sorry, are these people actually qualified? My
Speaker 3: craving star I precancy was basically all of my comfort
Speaker 3: foods as a kid, so like just cubs and I
Speaker 3: was fine with it.
Speaker 2: I went with the flow.
Speaker 3: Now, this wasn't the news I was expecting from Steph
Speaker 3: klas Smith, particularly off the back of her controversial podcast
Speaker 3: topic last week.
Speaker 2: She has revealed that she's.
Speaker 3: Pregnant with her second child. And I want to know
Speaker 3: who is organizing her podcast episodes at Listener because last
Speaker 3: week she spoke very explicitly about having a vibrator get
Speaker 3: stuck up her backside, and then this week on her
Speaker 3: podcast she announced that she's pregnant. Was it the conception story?
Speaker 3: Is that maybe what we were leading in with?
Speaker 1: In all seriousness though, it was really lovely news, and
Speaker 1: I really like the way that they announced her on Instagram.
Speaker 2: So they had this photo shoot I assure was a
Speaker 2: professional photographer.
Speaker 1: It would have to be because it was this black
Speaker 1: and white shot of Steph was in bikinis and she
Speaker 1: had her belly out and you could see all of
Speaker 1: Harvey's hand, Josh's hand, and also Ari her dog's hand
Speaker 1: touching her pregnant belly.
Speaker 3: It really shocked me, though, because only just last week
Speaker 3: she posted her selfie in bikinis and she definitely did
Speaker 3: not look pregnant. I don't know if it's that optical
Speaker 3: illusion where she's standing front on I think so.
Speaker 1: It really didn't surprise me that she had a whole
Speaker 1: episode dedicated to discussing her pregnancy and that she held
Speaker 1: off from talking about a lot of those details on
Speaker 1: her Instagram story.
Speaker 2: Listener must have a huge deal with them.
Speaker 1: Because they are holding off to tell all of those
Speaker 1: personal details on that podcast, they must be getting paid
Speaker 1: a lot. So they're details that I would actually want
Speaker 1: to tune in and hear, as opposed to some of
Speaker 1: the other click baby stuff they've been talking. Because I
Speaker 1: really enjoyed the episode, and I think it's because Steph
Speaker 1: actually felt comfortable talking about.
Speaker 3: Those details because it wasn't about their sex lives, which.
Speaker 1: Didn't feel forced like they'd been told you have to
Speaker 1: come up with some scandalous story.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean they did have that rather awkward segment
Speaker 3: before the big news talking about plucking each other's chin heads,
Speaker 3: which again felt forced, like Oh, let's try and be
Speaker 3: as relatable as possible.
Speaker 2: As you said.
Speaker 3: Though, this was a good episode in terms of the
Speaker 3: segment about the pregnancy because Steph did drop some interesting
Speaker 3: titbits about it. So she said that they're not going
Speaker 3: to find out the gender of the baby. She said
Speaker 3: that Harvey wants a sister, but he thinks it's going
Speaker 3: to be a boy. The reasoning behind it was interesting
Speaker 3: because she said that she wants Harvey to, i mean,
Speaker 3: not be the focus of the pregnancy, but to feel included.
Speaker 3: So she wants to make it more about him being
Speaker 3: the big brother to a baby than they're being all
Speaker 3: this focus on is it a boy or a girl? Yeah,
Speaker 3: And I also enjoyed hearing her talk about the process
Speaker 3: of dec whether they wanted a second child, because I
Speaker 3: can kind of relate. She said, as soon as she
Speaker 3: had Harvey, Everyone's like, well, when's the next one coming?
Speaker 3: And I feel like since I've had Jack, everyone's almost
Speaker 3: being like, oh, well, when's number two coming. It's like
Speaker 3: he's five months. That's not an appropriate question to ask
Speaker 3: anyone because no one is aware of people's personal fertility issues.
Speaker 2: Or whether they even want another child.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she spoke about how Josh was actually on
Speaker 3: the fence about wanting a second child, particularly because last
Speaker 3: year they were dealing with a lot of behavioral issues
Speaker 3: with Harvey, so it was really Steph that was pushing
Speaker 3: to have this second child. It is interesting because Josh
Speaker 3: plays the part of the stay at home dad, and.
Speaker 2: So he'd have to be on board.
Speaker 3: Well, they've only recently just put Harvey in daycare, so
Speaker 3: Josh has some time to return to work and do
Speaker 3: other activities, so it's going to be a big change
Speaker 3: for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Josh would.
Speaker 3: Definitely need to be on board with this decision, considering
Speaker 3: that he is the primary care while Steph is out work.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: Steph did speak about the first trimester, and she said
Speaker 3: it's quite different because when she was pregnant with Harvey,
Speaker 3: they were in lockdown, so she could sleep a lot
Speaker 3: during the day and it didn't really affect her work.
Speaker 3: But now she's actually at work, so she's been feeling
Speaker 3: a lot more tired. And she spoke about how she's
Speaker 3: been a lot more nauseous. And she told this story
Speaker 3: about how her and Josh were in the car and
Speaker 3: she wanted to vomit in the car, but he really
Speaker 3: wanted to pull over so she would vomit.
Speaker 2: Out of the car.
Speaker 3: And then she's like, oh, I was in a new
Speaker 3: G string at the time, so I didn't want to
Speaker 3: get out. But there was no context to why she
Speaker 3: was just wearing a G strings. Imagine driving by and
Speaker 3: seeing Steph Claire Smith vomiting on the side of the
Speaker 3: road in a GC reckon.
Speaker 2: That even happened.
Speaker 1: I feel like the listener producers were like, make the
Speaker 1: pregnancy announcement sexy, like include something about a G string
Speaker 1: we can cut up in there. You meant to be
Speaker 1: more nauseous if you're having a girl. Oh, I think
Speaker 1: all of that's bullshit. I was interested, though, to hear
Speaker 1: what her food cravings were, and she admitted that the
Speaker 1: only thing she's been feeling like at the moment is
Speaker 1: chicken two minute noodles.
Speaker 3: Oh. I had a craving for those when I was
Speaker 3: pregnant too. I totally relate to that. I mean, if
Speaker 3: we're going to be guessing the gender, I think more
Speaker 3: salty snacks are mean. Boy. I know we touched upon
Speaker 3: it at the start, but I just find the timing
Speaker 3: so odd. I mean, we said about the vibrator story,
Speaker 3: but also the week prior, Steph went on about having
Speaker 3: this huge announcement to make, and a lot of people
Speaker 3: thought that she was teasing a story about pregnancy loss,
Speaker 3: but she actually announced that she's got ADHD because she
Speaker 3: said that she was really struggling and that you never
Speaker 3: know what's going on in people's lives. It's also going
Speaker 3: to be really interesting how much of this child's life
Speaker 3: she chooses to share on her Instagram story, particularly after
Speaker 3: she's now started blurring her son, Harvey's face out and
Speaker 3: there's been.
Speaker 2: A lot of discussion around that.
Speaker 3: Did you notice yesterday though, that she was sharing the
Speaker 3: face of her brother's child, her nephew. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I wonder if her stance is she's happy
Speaker 1: to share babies faces because babies changed so much.
Speaker 2: I just it's all very confusing.
Speaker 1: I was surprised to hear that she included audio of
Speaker 1: Harvey finding out the news.
Speaker 2: It was a very cute reaction.
Speaker 3: But I'm just getting confused about what she feels comfortable
Speaker 3: and what she doesn't feel comfortable. Yeah, it is rather confusing,
Speaker 3: and again it's obviously her decision what she shares, and
Speaker 3: it makes sense to me to put this marker of Okay, well,
Speaker 3: I've already shared his face before, so going forward, I'm
Speaker 3: not going to continue to share it because he's going
Speaker 3: to grow. But then I was listening to an episode
Speaker 3: of the kick Bump podcast. It just popped up on
Speaker 3: in my newsfeed, and Harvey's actually in the cover artwork.
Speaker 2: Oh really, I don't know that.
Speaker 3: I just yeah, I would have thought you might change that,
Speaker 3: considering it's a promotional material.
Speaker 2: Look, I think it's going to go all out the window.
Speaker 2: I think that.
Speaker 1: Steph is a real overshareer, and I think that's what
Speaker 1: makes her a good influence.
Speaker 2: So I love hearing about her life.
Speaker 1: I enjoy hearing about her children, and I'm fascinated to
Speaker 1: see how this pregnancy goes.
Speaker 4: Well.
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