1 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: Sophie Torba and coming up on today's show, Mummy Blogger 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,479 Speaker 1: Sarah Kerns is facing criticism after unveiling her plans to 5 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: release a fitness program. Steph glare Smith's shot pregnancy. 6 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 2: News the first. 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: Matt Sakowski's ex, Genevieve Ward, has broken her silence just 8 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: weeks out from her former boyfriend's wedding to Tammy Henbroke Hate. 9 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 2: Can you tell us what's gone down? 10 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 3: Well? Jen has been silent thus far, but she has 11 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 3: come out swinging in defense of podcast at Megan pisetto. 12 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 2: So As We Discussed. 13 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 3: A few weeks back, Megan released an explosive expose on 14 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 3: Matt Sakowski on her podcast So Dramatic and in the episode, 15 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 3: the journalists claim that Matt was a serial cheat who 16 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 3: auditioned for Love Island UK while dating Jen, and she 17 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,639 Speaker 3: also accused Matt of cheating on Jen with. 18 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: Tam Now in the episode, Meghan said that she got 19 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: the information from Jen's friends, but I have a feeling 20 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: it was really from Jen herself. 21 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, late last week, Megan revealed she was forced to 22 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 3: remove the episodes about Matt. She wrote on Instagram, My 23 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 3: Matt T. Sakowski episodes have been taken down by the 24 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 3: powers that be. If you would like to listen to 25 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 3: these episodes in the time being until I sought things out, 26 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 3: you will have to listen to them on Patreon. Now 27 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 3: this is where Jen comes in, because Jen commented underneath 28 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 3: the post, trying to silence you like he did me, 29 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 3: he knows I have the print screens, and she added 30 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 3: a crying with laughter emoji. Now. Megan quickly shared Jen's 31 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 3: comment to her Instagram story and added a poll asking 32 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 3: her followers if she should publish the evidence yes now. 33 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 3: The response was a resounding yes, and after obviously being 34 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 3: bombarded with questions, Megan followed up with another post that read, 35 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 3: for the record, the episodes were not taken down by me, 36 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 3: and not taken down because of lawyers or defamation. I 37 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 3: can confidently back all claims in both episodes up with evidence. 38 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 3: I will explain why they have been taken down in 39 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 3: due time, but it has nothing to do with me 40 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 3: not being able to back up the claims in the episodes. 41 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 3: I wonder if it has anything to do with the 42 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 3: platform that Megan's on. She is an over podcast, Matt's 43 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 3: podcast is an over podcast. They only recently got signed 44 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 3: to Nova. 45 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 2: I would have thought that. 46 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,679 Speaker 3: They would have more loyalty towards So Dramatic. You'd like 47 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 3: to think, so, I mean So Dramatic rates higher in 48 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 3: the charts than Anna and Matt's podcasts. I wonder if 49 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 3: it's the Tammy Hembro effect, though. 50 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: I definitely think it is. Maybe they're trying to get 51 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: Tammy on board to do a podcast with Nova. I 52 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: mean Tammy recently appeared on Matt's podcasts. They're clearly trying 53 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: to boost ratings. I think it's interesting to hear the 54 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 1: sort of behind the scenes because I think people don't 55 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,959 Speaker 1: really understand how podcasts networks work. So for us, where 56 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: with ARN so we talk about influencers, and there are 57 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: influencer led podcasts who were also on the network, But 58 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 1: our show is still independent, so the network can't control 59 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: what we talk about. 60 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 3: So we made sure when we signed our agreement with 61 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 3: AARN because essentially they help us get sponsorship deals. They 62 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 3: don't actually own our. 63 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: Podcasts, they don't help us produce it, and we have 64 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: spoken about other talent who have podcasts on the same network, 65 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: but we've never been told that we're not allowed to. 66 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 2: Even Carl and Jackie. 67 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 3: Oh remember we had that big run in with them 68 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 3: as well, and they're obviously an AARN podcast and the 69 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 3: biggest radio show. It would be different if ARN owned 70 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 3: our podcast, and I think with Nova they probably are 71 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 3: some podcasts that they produce in house, so the legalities 72 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 3: around that would be different. Well, hopefully we won't have 73 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 3: to wait too long. I feel like Megan is going 74 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 3: to bring out an expose very soon. Oh, she would 75 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 3: be raring to go. 76 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 2: Good morning. 77 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 4: I've just been chatting with a brand that I work 78 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 4: with all the time, and I just was like giving 79 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 4: her a bit of pep talk, and I was like, 80 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 4: you know what, I think everyone could use his pep talk. 81 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 3: Divisive mummy blogger Sarah Kerns is facing criticism after unveiling 82 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 3: her plans to release a fitness program called Project Glow. 83 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 3: The influencer, who has no qualifications in fitness or nutrition, 84 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 3: is you ueeing her recent weight loss as a motivator 85 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 3: to sell the program. Days out from the launch, Sarah's 86 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 3: former business partner weighed in slamming influences for undermining experts 87 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 3: and calling out Sarah's use of before and after photos. Now, Sophie, 88 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 3: For those who aren't familiar with Sarah Kerns, she isn't 89 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 3: a fitness influencer. She's known for parenting content. 90 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why this thing is just so confusing. So 91 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: she and her husband Brad Kerns are better known as 92 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: dad Mum now. The couple's parenting content really started gaining 93 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: traction after Sarah was admitted to hospital shortly after having 94 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: her son Finn, and Brad had to step in and 95 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: be the mum and look after their kids while she recovered. 96 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 3: Was it that type of content where the dads say 97 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 3: that they're babysitting their own children. 98 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 2: I hate that sort of stuff. 99 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 3: It's like, you're not babysitting your own kids, you're actually 100 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 3: just looking after you Ken. 101 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: It's all, oh, what a great dad, Thank god he's 102 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: stepping in and raising his own children. 103 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 3: But it's also that the hopeless dad. 104 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I hate it. 105 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: Now. 106 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 3: They live on the central coast of New South Wales 107 00:04:57,839 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 3: and to me they. 108 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 2: Come across as you're typical Ossie. 109 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: Battler's I mean, their content isn't that aspirational content, it's 110 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 1: that relatable content, and they generally play into all of 111 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: the old tropes about you know, the old ball and chain, 112 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: and you know, they take the piss out of each other. 113 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 3: Can I ask you, do you think the term ball 114 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 3: and chain is offensive? Because Deya was telling me the 115 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 3: other day that he had this meeting and this girl 116 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 3: was saying that she found the term missus offensive, but 117 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 3: she thought old ball and chain was okay. I think 118 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 3: old ball and chain can be sort of jokey and comical. 119 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 3: I mean, I wouldn't really like to be referred to 120 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 3: I would not be thrilled to be referred to the 121 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 3: old ball and chain. There's definitely a negative connotation. I 122 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 3: think missus kind of sounds possessive. 123 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 2: I think that's the issue with so colloquials. 124 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 3: It's a bit bogan. 125 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 2: That's what I said to Dale. 126 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 3: I said, I'd be less offended by missus than the 127 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 3: ball and chain. 128 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't like either. 129 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: Now, Sarah doesn't have a particularly large following. She has 130 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 1: around ninety thousand followers, so it's interesting that she is. 131 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 2: Releasing a big program. 132 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,359 Speaker 3: Like this while she doesn't have a massive following. I 133 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 3: feel like a lot of people are engaged with her 134 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 3: content because she's for the wrong reason. 135 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a. 136 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 3: Lot of hate following, I think going on because she 137 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 3: is a massive topic of discussion in our group. Now. 138 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 3: Over the past few months, followers have noticed that Sarah 139 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 3: has lost a lot of weight twenty five kilos to 140 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:16,239 Speaker 3: be exact. 141 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: She's been doing a lot of body checks and I 142 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: feel like whenever someone loses a lot of weight, suddenly 143 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: you see a lot of mirror selfies. 144 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 2: And she said that she has. 145 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 3: Been inundated with messages from followers asking her how she's 146 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 3: lost the weight and what her secret is. 147 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 2: So this was really the catalyst to launch her own 148 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 2: fitness plan. 149 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 3: I mean, there's not enough on the market, is there, 150 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 3: Particularly run by Influence. This is a very unsaturated market. 151 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 3: It's not really something that ties in with their brand normally, 152 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 3: is it. 153 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 2: Yeah. 154 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: Well, she said that she really wanted to help her 155 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: followers find their glow, which I have to say, in 156 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four is. 157 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 2: Code word for lose weight. 158 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: So I'm just so sick of these fitness programs that 159 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: are marketed as, oh, we're just trying to help you 160 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: find your glow. It's not about inside, it's not about 161 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: weight loss, but you're also trying to lose twenty five 162 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: kilos at the same time as Galowie. But to be fair, 163 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: if someone was to put out a marketing campaign that 164 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: was literally saying, oh, this is how you lose x 165 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: amount of weight, it would be heavily criticized. I mean, 166 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: it'd be kind of refreshing. At least you know what 167 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: you're getting. I'm so sick of being sold a lie. 168 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 3: Well, Jennifer Aniston recently brought one out that was exactly 169 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 3: like that. It was like, you can look like me 170 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 3: if you do X, Y and Z. And yes, it's 171 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 3: very old school, but I think that as consumers in 172 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, we kind of can see through the 173 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 3: bullshit now and how do we get a copy of 174 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 3: that guy? 175 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 2: Like Jennifer Adiston. 176 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: What I didn't like as well is that she kind 177 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: of acted like she was a hero for helping everyone out. 178 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: She's like, I just need to help my community. So 179 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: that's why I'm releasing the guide. I mean, it's not 180 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: because she wants to make a lot of money off it. 181 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: It's because she wants. 182 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 2: To help people. 183 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 3: Do you think a lot of influencers who have recently 184 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 3: lost a lot of weight are keen to actually push 185 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 3: that they're doing it in a healthy way because there's 186 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 3: so many rumors about ozenpic flying around. Yeah, well, it's 187 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 3: funny you say that, because a lot of people who 188 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 3: are like, oh, she's just onpic. So I do think 189 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 3: that there is an element of wanting to say I 190 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 3: actually worked hard for this. Yeah. 191 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 2: Now, the initial promotion around this. 192 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 3: Workout guide was really odd because there was very little 193 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 3: detail about what was actually on offer, and this led 194 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 3: to a lot of confusion. So she announced the program 195 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 3: through a real which included phone vision of her working 196 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 3: out in the gym, as well as a before and 197 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 3: after selfie. Now over the vision, she wrote, at the 198 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 3: start of twenty twenty three, I made myself a promise. 199 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 2: It was my time. It was hard. 200 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: I wanted to quit more than once, but I worked 201 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: on my mind, body and my self love. I received 202 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: hundreds of messages asking for help, so I created a 203 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: six week journey to arm you with the tools and 204 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: techniques you need to make lasting changes in your life too, 205 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: Project Glow, launching November twelve. She then went onto list 206 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: that the program would include nutrition, exercise, body image, menstrual cycle, 207 00:08:55,800 --> 00:09:01,359 Speaker 1: women's health issues, reiki, healing, mindfulness, life hacks, product recommendations, 208 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 1: and so much more in Capitals Now. 209 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 3: Sarah was quite vague when it came to who was 210 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 3: actually involved in setting up this program, So she mentioned 211 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 3: that there would be trusted practitioners on board, but she 212 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 3: initially didn't specify what their qualifications were. It doesn't make 213 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 3: sense to me why she wouldn't have included these so 214 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 3: called experts in the early marketing collateral, because I would 215 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 3: think that they would be a big sell. Yeah, it 216 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 3: kind of seems like a second thought. And maybe she's 217 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 3: copped criticism after this announcement. Well she has, which we 218 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 3: will get into. The whole feel of this announcement was 219 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 3: really low budget. I was surprised that she didn't have 220 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 3: a videographer professionally filming the real like everything was just 221 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 3: on her phone. And it also surprised me because following 222 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 3: this reel, she put up a ton of Instagram stories 223 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 3: and they were all just slabs of text explaining the program. 224 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 2: And what made it even more awkward was that the 225 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 2: text was riddled with errors. 226 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: I just found it a really odd move because for 227 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: someone like her who's built a following out of with 228 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: her audience. Wouldn't it be better for her to actually 229 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: jump on her stories and talk about the effect that 230 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: this weight loss and also this mind shift has had 231 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: on her. 232 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 3: I'm guessing it's because she wasn't that confident to talk 233 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 3: off script about it, because health and fitness is a 234 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 3: really touchy subject. I mean, we know that she's already 235 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 3: coped some criticism for the way she's marketed it, so 236 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 3: it shows that she's not ultra confident in the messaging 237 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 3: that she's putting it out. 238 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: Well, it was really emphasized how quickly this was thrown 239 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: together in one of the slides, because Sarah wrote, this 240 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: won't be one of those drip feed releases. I've mentioned 241 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: it was in the works a few times and kept 242 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: you all waiting. So we all systems go. Subscribers will 243 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: get access to join tonight. Then I'll open up to 244 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: the masses asap. There are very limited numbers. It's interesting 245 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: that she keeps harping on that there's only limited spots. 246 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: This is a clear marketing technique to create urgency and 247 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 1: urge people to buy. Because one user jumped on and 248 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: you can on the website, you can click how many 249 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: of the programs you want to order, and they entered 250 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: in nine, nine hundred and ninety nine and they. 251 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 2: Could add it to their cart. 252 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 3: So it shows that she is expecting to have large 253 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 3: numbers sign up. 254 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 2: It's not this. 255 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 3: Limited, very exclusive program that she's acting like it is. Yeah, 256 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 3: because making it sound exclusive gives off the impression that 257 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 3: she's going to be heavily involved in supporting the community. 258 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 3: But if there's ten thousand people doing it, it also. 259 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: Makes it sound like there's a live element to it 260 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: and maybe they're doing live workouts together. 261 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 2: Well, what is it? 262 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 3: Is it an ebol? 263 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: It's so confusing, So it's not an ebook. It is 264 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: that they've got film, well pre recorded workouts that Sarah 265 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: is doing with a pt And then there's a community element, 266 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: I assume, which is a Facebook group where people can 267 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: connect with the experts and talk to them. 268 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 3: It's a pretty expensive program. I mean it's a six 269 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 3: week program for two hundred and forty nine dollars, and 270 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 3: when you compare it to Kick or even Sarah's Day's plans, 271 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,839 Speaker 3: it's very price. It is expensive. I am a Kick member. 272 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 3: I have been for probably five years now, and I 273 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 3: think I pay like one hundred and twenty dollars for 274 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 3: a year of scrip, so for only six weeks, that 275 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 3: is a lot. I also don't understand because it's not 276 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 3: like Kick or Sarah's Day promote their program as having 277 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 3: limited spots, like they want to get as many people 278 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 3: in as possible. 279 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: I also think it's not very clear what you actually 280 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: get for the two hundred and forty nine dollars because 281 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 1: there were just a lot of vague references. There was 282 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: no real key messaging, and it's hard because she just 283 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: seemed focus on telling everyone to sign up before they really. 284 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 2: Knew what they were getting. 285 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 3: What I found jarring about the promotion of this plan 286 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 3: was the clear before and after photos Sarah chose to you, 287 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 3: so she had two mirror selfies side by side showing 288 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 3: just how much weight. 289 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 2: She'd lost over the past year. 290 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 3: And this kind of marketing it's very twenty tens, particularly 291 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 3: if you think about Kayla Estinus Vibes. Well, we were 292 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 3: talking just a little bit earlier about how why can't 293 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 3: people be more transparent about what they're trying to sell? 294 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 3: And that obviously worked for Jennifer Aniston because her whole 295 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 3: image has always been based on what she looks like. 296 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 3: Obviously she's a brilliant actor as well, but everyone wanted 297 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 3: her haircut, everyone wants her toned arms from friends. So 298 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 3: to use Jennifer Aniston as the product to sell her 299 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 3: fitness guides is an obvious thing. But Sarah Kearns. You 300 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 3: know she doesn't have the star power of Jennifer Aniston. 301 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 3: She has the relatability factor. So I know she's trying 302 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 3: to relate to her audience to be like, I'm a 303 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 3: typical mum. Look, I've managed to lose this amount of weight, 304 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 3: but it does feel very backwards. 305 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: But I think what was extra jarring is the fact 306 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,719 Speaker 1: that she's using these before and after photos. But then 307 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: she's going on to claim that the program isn't about 308 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: weight loss, it's about finding yourself. 309 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 2: It's a contradictory marketing. 310 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, so she wrote, this is not a quickly lose 311 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 3: weight by depriving and punishing yourself. 312 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 2: This is a toolkit to help you live your. 313 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 3: Happiest lives, to find your glow by working on your mind, body, 314 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 3: and nervous system. I just think by using it before 315 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 3: and after photo, it totally goes against any of that. Yeah, 316 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 3: as we were discussing, either go full bore and say 317 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 3: this is what you get. This is all about looking 318 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 3: really good about looking like Jonffer Andison, or you go 319 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 3: the other route where it's all about mental health and 320 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 3: self improvement. Another weird thing about this launch is that 321 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 3: Sarah's already started sharing positive reviews on her Instagram stories. 322 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 2: What before people have done it? 323 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, like, despite the fact that the project hasn't actually 324 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: launched it. So she wrote, I have just had all 325 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: of these positive reviews flooding in and her heart could 326 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: burst that she's so happy about it. 327 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 3: And some super slues have pointed out the some of 328 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 3: the reviews appear to be written by her close friends. 329 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 3: It's got Mitch Awvil, tiny trucks vise remember all of 330 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 3: those weird reviews. 331 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: Now this is where Sarah Kerns's former business partner, Sarah 332 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: Willis entered the chat and she weighed in on the program. 333 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 2: Now, it's quite interesting because. 334 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 3: The two Sarah's first cross paths when Sarah Willis was 335 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 3: running a gym called w Tribe on the Central Coast 336 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 3: and Sarah Kerns was a gym goer. 337 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,119 Speaker 2: So that's how they formed a friendship. 338 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 3: Now, it is important to point out that Sarah Willis 339 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 3: is a qualified personal trainer who is now also a psychologist. 340 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 3: And it's pretty incredible because she was completing her degree 341 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 3: while she was running her gym. Now, Sarah Willis ended 342 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 3: up shutting down her gym as a result of COVID 343 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 3: and also so she could focus on her study. And 344 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 3: she moved to the Hunter Valley and took over Glen Eden, 345 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 3: which is in a state where she hosts wellness to retreats. 346 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 3: So she is very experienced in what she does. And 347 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 3: during the pandemic, fitness classes were all moving online. So 348 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 3: after she closed her gym down, she started up a 349 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 3: fitness program with Sarah Kerns, which they named after her 350 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 3: old Jim W tribe. Now, did she partner with Sarah 351 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 3: Kerns to use her profile? Yeah, So the whole niche 352 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 3: was that these experts were training Sarah Kerns and it 353 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 3: was launched as this six week online fitness challenge and 354 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 3: the programs also provided access to meal plans, recipes, shopping 355 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 3: lists and they were put together by qualified nutritionists. 356 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 2: No Reikie no. 357 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 3: Now, a unique element of the program was that you 358 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 3: could earn points for every workout you did and if 359 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 3: you reached nutritional goals. 360 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 2: It sounded like a pretty cool program. It didn't last long, though, 361 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 2: and neither parties divulged what went wrong. 362 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: They both just said things didn't work out and that 363 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: they didn't align. 364 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 3: So actually launched but just fizzled out. 365 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, so the program ran, but they just didn't continue it. 366 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 3: To me, it seems like the program didn't really get 367 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 3: enough people signing up to it, so maybe Sarah Kerns 368 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 3: doesn't have that star power pulling people in. Now. 369 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: Sarah Willis has a pretty large following on her own, 370 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: so she goes by the handle the Traveling Psychologist and 371 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: she has a community of forty three thousand people on Instagram. 372 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: And she said that she was inundated with dms about 373 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: Sarah Kern's new program, so she decided to address her 374 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: on her story, but she chose not to name Sarah, 375 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: but rather said that she had received screenshots and messages 376 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: about a fairly controversial influencers new fitness program, and she 377 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: also confirmed that she used to work with the said 378 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: influencer before. 379 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 3: I said, maybe the fitness program shut down because there 380 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 3: weren't enough people wanting to be a part of it, 381 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 3: but it sounds like maybe there was a friendship breakdown 382 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 3: to Yeah. 383 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: Well, the thing is, the Kerns are known for sending 384 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 1: out legal letters, so I think that Sarah Willis in 385 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: particular wanted to cover herself. 386 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 2: We've popped one before. Well, yeah we have. That might 387 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 2: come as a surprise to people because I don't think 388 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 2: we actually spoke. Oh do we speak about it? I 389 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 2: can't remember about it, but yeah. 390 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: So she covered herself by saying that she was speaking 391 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: about influencer run projects generally, and so she said that 392 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 1: she would be addressing the issue of influencers in general 393 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: releasing programs or products in areas they're not qualified in. Now, 394 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: she touched on the impact that these types of fitness 395 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: programs can have on vulnerable consumers and how they undermine 396 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: experts who have spent years training in those fields. Let's 397 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: listen to some of what she said. 398 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,239 Speaker 4: I guess one thing that's really important to note is 399 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,479 Speaker 4: just because you do something or experience something in your 400 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 4: life does not make you an expert to teach others 401 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 4: about that process in their life. You can, of course 402 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 4: be the expert on your own weight loss journey or 403 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 4: your own birth journey or your own parenting journey. But 404 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 4: it takes a lot more than just experiencing that to 405 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 4: have the skills and qualification and credibility to teach others. 406 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 4: In the wellness industry specifically, there is a lot of 407 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 4: vulnerable people who have tried a lot of things, and 408 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 4: there's a lot of barriers to them achieving their goals 409 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 4: that are so much deeper than just needing someone to 410 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 4: cheer for you or tell you what to eat right. 411 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 4: Most women, particularly who are having struggles with their weight 412 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 4: or their wellness, the issues for them run so much deeper. 413 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 4: You know, most women are smart, intelligent women who know 414 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 4: what health looks like, but there's deeper barriers affecting them. 415 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 4: And you know, the risk is if we just keep 416 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 4: throwing programs at them that don't address the root cause, 417 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 4: we're creating further damage for them. I think it's really 418 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 4: fucking risky for the industry. It undermines all those people 419 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 4: who go I'd like to teach something, and they go 420 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 4: and learn the skills and get experience to teach. It 421 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 4: undermines those people doing the work, but it also puts 422 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 4: the people the clients at risk as well. 423 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 3: I think she just articulated what everyone is thinking. And 424 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 3: it's kind of awkward because we've had Sarah Kerns promoting 425 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:33,199 Speaker 3: this fitness program who doesn't seem comfortable or confident to 426 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 3: even come on her stories and speak about the program, 427 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 3: and then we have Sarah Willis perfectly articulate the issues 428 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 3: with it. And she took a final swipe at Sarah Kerns, 429 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 3: saying a general note for anyone navigating this industry, it's 430 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 3: contradictory when someone claims their message isn't about weight loss, 431 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 3: yet shares a before and after photo showcasing their weight loss. 432 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 3: How does that make sense? Just be transparent and stop 433 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 3: misleading people now. 434 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: It wasn't long before followers began comparing Sarah's old workout 435 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 1: guide with the new one. So a follower wrote on 436 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: her post, I did the challenge with you and Sarah 437 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: w twice. Is it the same kind of thing now? 438 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: Sarah Kerns responded totally different. This is not a weight 439 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: loss challenge. This is the result of the lessons and 440 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: learnings I needed to go through to finally hit my 441 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: goal weight. Years later, I'm down twenty five kilos and 442 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: most importantly, I'm finally in such a good place around 443 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: my body and accepting how it looks in all its 444 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: changing forms. This covers everything from menstrual cycles to pelvic 445 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: floor health, nutrition to every day mum's putting balanced meals together, 446 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: reiki healing. 447 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 3: And mindfulness, to pathology testing. It's a huge amount of 448 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 3: content and support. Should I love this bullshit? It's like, 449 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 3: I really just want to help my followers. If you 450 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 3: want to help them, then why don't you just share 451 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 3: about it for free? Why is it everything like I 452 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 3: need money? But also, as Sarah W said, what works 453 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 3: for one person isn't going to necessarily work for another person. 454 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 3: It's great that you have grown as a per and 455 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 3: you're really happy with the journey that you've been on, 456 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:04,959 Speaker 3: but it doesn't mean that everyone else has to do 457 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 3: the same thing as you, nor will they get the 458 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 3: same results. Yeah. Now, following this criticism from Sarah Willis, 459 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 3: Sarah Kern suddenly started sharing profiles of some of the 460 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 3: practitioners who are involved in her program. So she asked 461 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 3: her followers to meet the first three practitioners. Now it 462 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 3: included Sammy Rose, who is a registered counselor and personal 463 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 3: trainer and ex friend of Ashley by yes, I mean 464 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 3: that is a legitimate expert there. 465 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: It then got to be odd, so she included Sarah Kent, 466 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,360 Speaker 1: who is a raiki master and intuitive healer, and then 467 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: Nicki Reeves, whose claim to fame is a DIY queen. 468 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,719 Speaker 2: So but DIY, how does that relate to the fitness industry. 469 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 2: I have no idea. 470 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: I do not know why you would lead with this, 471 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 1: because she's obviously inferring that she's going to introduce more 472 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: experts along the way, like this. 473 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 2: Is how you make your own tread. She's trying to. 474 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: Prove a point, and she does have genuine experts on board. 475 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: Why didn't she lead with a nutritionist or a psychologist, 476 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: particularly when she's talking about, you know, this program isn't 477 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: just about losing weight, it's about working yourself and glowing 478 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:03,919 Speaker 1: from the inside. 479 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 3: It seems like she's doing a massive ring around trying 480 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 3: to find some professionals, Especially if you're leading with the 481 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 3: DIY queen. I'm surprised she doesn't have a professional spray 482 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:13,360 Speaker 3: tanner for the. 483 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 2: Glow that she's promising everyone. 484 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't want to share on people's job titles, 485 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 3: but it does sound like she's made half of these 486 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 3: job titles up because she also recently touched on the 487 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 3: fact that she has. 488 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 2: A menstrual coach involved in the program. 489 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 3: I mean, shouldn't it be a GP or a gynecologist? Like, 490 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sorry, are these people actually qualified? My 491 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 3: craving star I precancy was basically all of my comfort 492 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 3: foods as a kid, so like just cubs and I 493 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 3: was fine with it. 494 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 2: I went with the flow. 495 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 3: Now, this wasn't the news I was expecting from Steph 496 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 3: klas Smith, particularly off the back of her controversial podcast 497 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 3: topic last week. 498 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 2: She has revealed that she's. 499 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,959 Speaker 3: Pregnant with her second child. And I want to know 500 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 3: who is organizing her podcast episodes at Listener because last 501 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 3: week she spoke very explicitly about having a vibrator get 502 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 3: stuck up her backside, and then this week on her 503 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 3: podcast she announced that she's pregnant. Was it the conception story? 504 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 3: Is that maybe what we were leading in with? 505 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: In all seriousness though, it was really lovely news, and 506 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 1: I really like the way that they announced her on Instagram. 507 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 2: So they had this photo shoot I assure was a 508 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 2: professional photographer. 509 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: It would have to be because it was this black 510 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: and white shot of Steph was in bikinis and she 511 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: had her belly out and you could see all of 512 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: Harvey's hand, Josh's hand, and also Ari her dog's hand 513 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: touching her pregnant belly. 514 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 3: It really shocked me, though, because only just last week 515 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 3: she posted her selfie in bikinis and she definitely did 516 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 3: not look pregnant. I don't know if it's that optical 517 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 3: illusion where she's standing front on I think so. 518 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 1: It really didn't surprise me that she had a whole 519 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: episode dedicated to discussing her pregnancy and that she held 520 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: off from talking about a lot of those details on 521 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:50,120 Speaker 1: her Instagram story. 522 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 2: Listener must have a huge deal with them. 523 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: Because they are holding off to tell all of those 524 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: personal details on that podcast, they must be getting paid 525 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: a lot. So they're details that I would actually want 526 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: to tune in and hear, as opposed to some of 527 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: the other click baby stuff they've been talking. Because I 528 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: really enjoyed the episode, and I think it's because Steph 529 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 1: actually felt comfortable talking about. 530 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 3: Those details because it wasn't about their sex lives, which. 531 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: Didn't feel forced like they'd been told you have to 532 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: come up with some scandalous story. 533 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,479 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean they did have that rather awkward segment 534 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 3: before the big news talking about plucking each other's chin heads, 535 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 3: which again felt forced, like Oh, let's try and be 536 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 3: as relatable as possible. 537 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 2: As you said. 538 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 3: Though, this was a good episode in terms of the 539 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 3: segment about the pregnancy because Steph did drop some interesting 540 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 3: titbits about it. So she said that they're not going 541 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 3: to find out the gender of the baby. She said 542 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 3: that Harvey wants a sister, but he thinks it's going 543 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 3: to be a boy. The reasoning behind it was interesting 544 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,719 Speaker 3: because she said that she wants Harvey to, i mean, 545 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 3: not be the focus of the pregnancy, but to feel included. 546 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 3: So she wants to make it more about him being 547 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,719 Speaker 3: the big brother to a baby than they're being all 548 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 3: this focus on is it a boy or a girl? Yeah, 549 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 3: And I also enjoyed hearing her talk about the process 550 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 3: of dec whether they wanted a second child, because I 551 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 3: can kind of relate. She said, as soon as she 552 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 3: had Harvey, Everyone's like, well, when's the next one coming? 553 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 3: And I feel like since I've had Jack, everyone's almost 554 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 3: being like, oh, well, when's number two coming. It's like 555 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 3: he's five months. That's not an appropriate question to ask 556 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 3: anyone because no one is aware of people's personal fertility issues. 557 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 2: Or whether they even want another child. 558 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, and she spoke about how Josh was actually on 559 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 3: the fence about wanting a second child, particularly because last 560 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 3: year they were dealing with a lot of behavioral issues 561 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 3: with Harvey, so it was really Steph that was pushing 562 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 3: to have this second child. It is interesting because Josh 563 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 3: plays the part of the stay at home dad, and. 564 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 2: So he'd have to be on board. 565 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 3: Well, they've only recently just put Harvey in daycare, so 566 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 3: Josh has some time to return to work and do 567 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 3: other activities, so it's going to be a big change 568 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 3: for him. 569 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Josh would. 570 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 3: Definitely need to be on board with this decision, considering 571 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 3: that he is the primary care while Steph is out work. 572 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 4: Now. 573 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 3: Steph did speak about the first trimester, and she said 574 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,360 Speaker 3: it's quite different because when she was pregnant with Harvey, 575 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 3: they were in lockdown, so she could sleep a lot 576 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 3: during the day and it didn't really affect her work. 577 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 3: But now she's actually at work, so she's been feeling 578 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 3: a lot more tired. And she spoke about how she's 579 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 3: been a lot more nauseous. And she told this story 580 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 3: about how her and Josh were in the car and 581 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 3: she wanted to vomit in the car, but he really 582 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 3: wanted to pull over so she would vomit. 583 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 2: Out of the car. 584 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 3: And then she's like, oh, I was in a new 585 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 3: G string at the time, so I didn't want to 586 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:24,959 Speaker 3: get out. But there was no context to why she 587 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 3: was just wearing a G strings. Imagine driving by and 588 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 3: seeing Steph Claire Smith vomiting on the side of the 589 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 3: road in a GC reckon. 590 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 2: That even happened. 591 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 1: I feel like the listener producers were like, make the 592 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: pregnancy announcement sexy, like include something about a G string 593 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: we can cut up in there. You meant to be 594 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 1: more nauseous if you're having a girl. Oh, I think 595 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: all of that's bullshit. I was interested, though, to hear 596 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,199 Speaker 1: what her food cravings were, and she admitted that the 597 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 1: only thing she's been feeling like at the moment is 598 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: chicken two minute noodles. 599 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 3: Oh. I had a craving for those when I was 600 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 3: pregnant too. I totally relate to that. I mean, if 601 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 3: we're going to be guessing the gender, I think more 602 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 3: salty snacks are mean. Boy. I know we touched upon 603 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 3: it at the start, but I just find the timing 604 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 3: so odd. I mean, we said about the vibrator story, 605 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 3: but also the week prior, Steph went on about having 606 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 3: this huge announcement to make, and a lot of people 607 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 3: thought that she was teasing a story about pregnancy loss, 608 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 3: but she actually announced that she's got ADHD because she 609 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 3: said that she was really struggling and that you never 610 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,479 Speaker 3: know what's going on in people's lives. It's also going 611 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 3: to be really interesting how much of this child's life 612 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,439 Speaker 3: she chooses to share on her Instagram story, particularly after 613 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 3: she's now started blurring her son, Harvey's face out and 614 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 3: there's been. 615 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 2: A lot of discussion around that. 616 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 3: Did you notice yesterday though, that she was sharing the 617 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 3: face of her brother's child, her nephew. Yeah. 618 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I wonder if her stance is she's happy 619 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: to share babies faces because babies changed so much. 620 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 2: I just it's all very confusing. 621 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: I was surprised to hear that she included audio of 622 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: Harvey finding out the news. 623 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 2: It was a very cute reaction. 624 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 3: But I'm just getting confused about what she feels comfortable 625 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 3: and what she doesn't feel comfortable. Yeah, it is rather confusing, 626 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 3: and again it's obviously her decision what she shares, and 627 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 3: it makes sense to me to put this marker of Okay, well, 628 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 3: I've already shared his face before, so going forward, I'm 629 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 3: not going to continue to share it because he's going 630 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 3: to grow. But then I was listening to an episode 631 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,640 Speaker 3: of the kick Bump podcast. It just popped up on 632 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 3: in my newsfeed, and Harvey's actually in the cover artwork. 633 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 2: Oh really, I don't know that. 634 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 3: I just yeah, I would have thought you might change that, 635 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 3: considering it's a promotional material. 636 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 2: Look, I think it's going to go all out the window. 637 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 2: I think that. 638 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: Steph is a real overshareer, and I think that's what 639 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: makes her a good influence. 640 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 2: So I love hearing about her life. 641 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: I enjoy hearing about her children, and I'm fascinated to 642 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: see how this pregnancy goes. 643 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 4: Well. 644 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: I think that's all we have time for today. 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