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Speaker 1: On today's show, rumors are swirling that Sophie Keasha has

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Speaker 1: called a quits with her AFLW player girlfriend. US influencer

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Speaker 1: Morgan Ruddle takes the Australian Open by storm and is

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Speaker 1: it okay to try on your best friend's engagement ring

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Speaker 1: before the proposal. Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your

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Speaker 1: dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture news twice

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Speaker 1: a week. I'm Sophie Torbert and it's just you and

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Speaker 1: I Today, Kate Amy is on our honeymoon. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: we are a daylight. I do want to apologize. It

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Speaker 1: was a mixture of a technical difficulty and also me

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Speaker 1: not being very well. So off the back of our

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Speaker 1: trip to Melbourne, I have caught a cold. It's not COVID,

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Speaker 1: but it is hanging around a little bit. We did

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Speaker 1: have the best time in Melbourne though. We loved all

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Speaker 1: of your suggestions for food. Oh, it was a perfect trip.

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Speaker 1: We literally went shopping eight and then also went to

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Speaker 1: the Australian Open. I don't know a better combination. And

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Speaker 1: we did put it out to our Instagram followers where

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Speaker 1: we should go because I did live in Melbourne ten

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Speaker 1: years ago, but I'm not up to date now with

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Speaker 1: all cool restaurants. Yeah, it's funny because so many people

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Speaker 1: recommended Lune, which is a croissant bar, and I didn't

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Speaker 1: realize how popular this place was. There was literally a

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Speaker 1: forty five minute weight, the most massive line out the

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Speaker 1: front of the shop. And we're really stubborn when it

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Speaker 1: comes to Ubers because we always think that the walk

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Speaker 1: is going to be heaps quicker. So it already took

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Speaker 1: us half an hour to walk there, and then when

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Speaker 1: we saw the line, I was like, it's been such

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Speaker 1: a trick to get here that we can't back out now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Amen croisson was probably the best croisson I've ever had.

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Speaker 1: I was delicious. The only thing that did dampen it

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Speaker 1: was the fact that there was such a long wait.

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Speaker 1: We did have some entertainment in the line, though, because

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Speaker 1: we spotted Stylus Pulfasaci. He does a lot of stuff

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Speaker 1: with the Livia Rodgers and so many different influences, and

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Speaker 1: he was out the front opposite us doing this little

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Speaker 1: photo shoot. He was out the front of Chanelle, so

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming that he was shooting closed from that store.

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Speaker 1: So it was quite funny to see such a high

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Speaker 1: end brand shot on an iPhone. I'm sure the picture

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Speaker 1: are going to be amazing, though we do also need

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Speaker 1: to thank the listeners for their dinner suggestion. So we

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Speaker 1: ended up going to Ucci Mamas. It was so good,

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Speaker 1: and what I love about Melbourne is that you can

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Speaker 1: actually eat after eight o'clock. So in Adelaide, literally all

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Speaker 1: the restaurants shut down at like eight thirty nine o'clock.

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Speaker 1: I didn't feel cool enough though to walk into Hucci

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Speaker 1: Mammas because the lighting was very dim. There was all

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Speaker 1: this nightclub music on neon signs. It was such a

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Speaker 1: cool environment and I kept embarrassing UK because I obviously

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Speaker 1: wanted to film stuff for my Instagram and I kept

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Speaker 1: having the flash on.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 1: This couple next to us was looking at us, and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, fell I think we're from Adelaide. We don't

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Speaker 1: have cool places like that here. What I particularly loved

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Speaker 1: preconceived idea of what the white stuff would be like.

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Speaker 1: I thought they would be pushing heaps of food onto us,

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Speaker 1: and we actually had eaten at six o'clock a little

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Speaker 1: sneaky snack in between, so we weren't that hungry. The

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Speaker 1: stuff was so nice. They actually were like, Nah, don't

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Speaker 1: That was really refreshing, and the food was amazing.

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Speaker 3: Fucking wow wow before she did. Do you know why

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Speaker 3: I did that? Because otherwise my best friend would have

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Speaker 3: known she's getting proposed.

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Speaker 1: M Davies is receiving backlash after posting a video of

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Speaker 1: herself trying on her best friend's engagement ring before the

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Speaker 1: proposal took place. Now, she uploaded a video to TikTok

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Speaker 1: explaining that she had helped her friend's partner pick out

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Speaker 1: the ring. So in the video, the ring had just

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Speaker 1: arrived in the mail. So em proceeded to film herself

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Speaker 1: trying on the ring and her reaction to the ring.

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Speaker 1: She did get very animated. She was very shocked when

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Speaker 1: So was this a part of a sponsorship deal, because

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Speaker 1: it was clear that there was some sort of partnership

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Speaker 1: deal going on because she captured the video. Ycl nailed

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Speaker 1: the brief for our Girl, which is the name of

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Speaker 1: the jeweler, so both em and her best friend Lily Brown,

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Speaker 1: they've worked with the jeweler before. In fact, Lily Brown

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Speaker 1: has her own influencer lined with them, and I was

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Speaker 1: wondering whether M davies engagement ring was also sponsored by them.

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Speaker 1: so I think that that was separate from any sponsorship deals.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how i'd feel if my best friend

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Speaker 1: was an influencer and then my partner got them involved

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Speaker 1: to get a discount on the ring. It depends on

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Speaker 1: what the ring look like. Because this ring had two

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Speaker 1: So if you got a nice ring out of it,

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Speaker 1: you'd probably be quite stoked. I don't know. I just

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Speaker 1: think it seems a bit dick to have your friend

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Speaker 1: I was pretty nice of her. It is nice of her,

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Speaker 1: but then all these backlashes occurred because she's had to

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Speaker 1: go film content try on the ring. I mean again,

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Speaker 1: I don't think I'd be thrilled if someone tried on

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Speaker 1: it's a bit different if you have been proposed and

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Speaker 1: then you go, oh, do you want to try it on? Well,

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Speaker 1: I do want to point out that the video was

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Speaker 1: she did include photos of her best friend wearing the

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Speaker 1: ring and how excited she was. Yeah, but it's clear

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Speaker 1: that m has tried on the ring before her friend

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Speaker 1: has even had to go try it.

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Speaker 1: Well, as soon as she posted the video, the backlash

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Speaker 1: started coming in. And according to superstition, Kate, it's not

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Speaker 1: just a gut feeling you have. There's actually a superstition

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Speaker 1: that says it's considered bad luck for an unmarried woman

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Speaker 1: to try on another person's engagement ring. So is that

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Speaker 1: just in general, like at any stage, or is it

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Speaker 1: just before I think it's at any stage.

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Speaker 1: God, probably extra worse trying it on before the person's

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Speaker 1: actually worn it. God, because you tried on my engagement

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Speaker 1: ring after I got proposed to No. Now, one follower

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Speaker 1: did write under the video, so you set up a camera,

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Speaker 1: he thought, Yes, it's a good idea to do and

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Speaker 1: post about. I could not agree more with that sentiment. Now,

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Speaker 1: another person said, the fact she took her own engagement

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Speaker 1: just doesn't sit right with me. Now. The criticism was

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Speaker 1: the brand felt about it, because clearly, in order to

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Speaker 1: I wonder if she's going to have to do another

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Speaker 1: I suppose it's reached more people than they thought though,

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Speaker 1: because yes, it has been controversial, but it's got a

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Speaker 1: lot of people talking about it. I mean, we've mentioned

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Speaker 1: the brand on our podcast. Maybe they're quite happy with

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Speaker 1: Now, others did come to EM's defense, with one follower saying,

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Speaker 1: I feel like if you think this is wrong. You've

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Speaker 1: just never had a genuine best friend. I'd be more

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Speaker 1: disappointed if my best friend didn't help pick the ring,

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Speaker 1: But I think once the ring has been created and

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Speaker 1: down to a gut feeling. I don't think that am

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Speaker 1: long as the surprise wasn't ruined and it didn't go

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Speaker 1: He had to use my wrist to make sure it

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Speaker 1: Brandon actually had my engagement ring sent to his parents'

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Speaker 1: because when Amy got married the other weekend, Dale delivered

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Speaker 1: jewelry box. It wasn't a ring inside, but I said

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Speaker 1: like if your engagement ring showed up I'd be like,

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Speaker 1: I just want to see what it looks like now.

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Speaker 1: Em was quick to hit back on her stories. She

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Speaker 1: read out a number of her followers negative comments and said.

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Speaker 3: This fucking wow wow before she did. Do you know

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Speaker 3: why I did that? Because otherwise my best friend would

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Speaker 3: have known she's getting proposed to if the fiance had

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Speaker 3: it sitting in her house while they're packing up there

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Speaker 3: and hire life to move across Australia, she would have

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Speaker 3: found it because she did all of the packing. Okay,

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Speaker 3: there we go. Also, just so everyone's aware about the

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Speaker 3: whole leg trying on a ring before someone else sing,

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Speaker 3: I tried on so many of my friend's rings before

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Speaker 3: I got engaged, and to make it doesn't believe in it.

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Speaker 3: I don't believe in it. None of my friends believe

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Speaker 3: in it. So there we go.

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Speaker 1: Em also went into more detail about the sponsorship deal.

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Speaker 1: Here's what she said.

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Speaker 3: Also, I chose the ring. I had it shipped to

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Speaker 3: my house. Okay, all right, we chose it together. Okay.

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Speaker 3: I have a close relationship with the brand, which is

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Speaker 3: why I made the video. And no, I won't be

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Speaker 3: kissing my best friend's future husband. Oh kissing thinking about it?

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Speaker 1: It's pretty clear em was actually really hurt by this

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Speaker 1: the party's ends. I always found it a little bit

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Speaker 1: strange that there was a ten year age gap between

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Speaker 1: the Sophie so in very different life stages, but age gaps,

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Speaker 1: I mean ten years is probably quite a tame age

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Speaker 1: gap in a sense, but they're in different lifestyle stages.

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Speaker 1: Sophie's got two kids, and Sophie Vanderhovt was just starting

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Speaker 1: out in her footy career. You know, she's young. I

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Speaker 1: just don't know if you'd want to get have to

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Speaker 1: settle down. Yeah, but I don't think you can make

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Speaker 1: a sweeping judgment about all age gaps.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: I know you're saying that because there is an age

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Speaker 1: gap between you and your part. I'm not saying it

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Speaker 1: because of that. I'm just saying that there's people and

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Speaker 1: very happy, healthy relationships who do have an age gap. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I mean it clearly hasn't worked because Sophie is

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Speaker 1: looking for a fiance. She wants to get married. It

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Speaker 1: was very close to getting married to Mattie Garrick. I

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Speaker 1: always thought that Sophie vander Hoovel was going to be

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Speaker 1: a rebound, but they lasted for quite some time. I

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Speaker 1: think she's just got to stop dating athletes. Maybe she

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Speaker 1: needs to try someone different. Yeah, well, she definitely has

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Speaker 1: a type because there was a joke going around that

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Speaker 1: Sophie vander Hoovel looked very much like Maddie Garrick. Do

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Speaker 1: you think Sophe's going to talk about this? Because I

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Speaker 1: find it very interesting that the Herald's son actually covered

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Speaker 1: this apparent breakup. She seems to have contacts there. I

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Speaker 1: think she might be feeding into it. Oh yeah, because

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Speaker 1: they also did these articles on her breakup with Maddie Garrick.

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Speaker 1: She's obviously got someone there that she's close to who

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Speaker 1: she's feeding this information too. I think she thinks that

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Speaker 1: she looks above it by being this anonymous source to

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Speaker 1: the newspaper so people don't get wind of it, and,

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Speaker 1: you know, instead of talking about it on her Instagram story.

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Speaker 1: I think if Sophie vander Hoovel does anything or has

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Speaker 1: wronged her in any way, she could possibly snap and

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Speaker 1: say something. Though, well, I think we'll find out about

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Speaker 1: it through the papers, but not from Sophie herself. It

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Speaker 1: will be a little bit stritched. Well that's all we've

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Speaker 1: got time for today. Thank you for listening to another

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Speaker 1: episode of Outspoken. If you do enjoy the show, we

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Speaker 1: would love it if you could leave us a five

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Speaker 1: of the Ghana people of the Adelaide Plains. We pay

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