1 00:00:04,071 --> 00:00:09,551 Speaker 1: Black cast, Unite our voices. Black Magic Women Podcast acknowledges 2 00:00:09,711 --> 00:00:12,711 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of the land we have recorded this 3 00:00:12,791 --> 00:00:15,911 Speaker 1: episode on. We also acknowledge traditional owners of the land 4 00:00:15,951 --> 00:00:19,351 Speaker 1: where you, the listener of youer are tuning in from. 5 00:00:19,671 --> 00:00:21,791 Speaker 1: We would like to pay our respects to our elders 6 00:00:21,831 --> 00:00:25,431 Speaker 1: past and present and acknowledged that this always was Aboriginal 7 00:00:25,471 --> 00:00:28,151 Speaker 1: land and always will be Aboriginal land. 8 00:00:28,711 --> 00:00:31,871 Speaker 2: I think the thing as well is that we set 9 00:00:31,951 --> 00:00:35,431 Speaker 2: up we thought that we were making a footy film. 10 00:00:35,471 --> 00:00:38,111 Speaker 2: This is not a footy film. This is a film 11 00:00:38,431 --> 00:00:40,791 Speaker 2: exactly about what you're saying, about what it takes to 12 00:00:40,871 --> 00:00:44,431 Speaker 2: walk proudly into worlds. 13 00:00:44,831 --> 00:00:49,591 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Black Magic Woman Podcast with Mondonara Bales. 14 00:00:53,511 --> 00:00:56,711 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Mondinara's Yarn with Sal and Dannielle. We 15 00:00:56,791 --> 00:00:59,151 Speaker 2: pick up where we left off. Sal tells us about 16 00:00:59,191 --> 00:01:02,311 Speaker 2: a powerful moment she experienced during a screening of Like 17 00:01:02,391 --> 00:01:06,591 Speaker 2: My Brother last night. I sat next to Rena, Rena, 18 00:01:06,631 --> 00:01:12,631 Speaker 2: Maureen Aarthena, Maureen, extraordinary young woman. And you know, of 19 00:01:12,671 --> 00:01:16,351 Speaker 2: course I've come to I've spent seven years of like 20 00:01:16,391 --> 00:01:19,391 Speaker 2: when I meet these girls, they're fifteen sixteen now the 21 00:01:19,511 --> 00:01:23,071 Speaker 2: young women Mother's Arena is not a mother, but like, 22 00:01:23,111 --> 00:01:26,471 Speaker 2: I was sitting beside Rena last night and her legs 23 00:01:26,471 --> 00:01:28,231 Speaker 2: were bouncing like this, and I just kept putting my 24 00:01:28,231 --> 00:01:30,231 Speaker 2: hand gently on her leg. She was so nervous, her 25 00:01:30,231 --> 00:01:33,471 Speaker 2: old body was shaking. And then it was just sort 26 00:01:33,471 --> 00:01:38,751 Speaker 2: of leaning into her and really watched the film through 27 00:01:38,831 --> 00:01:43,671 Speaker 2: her eyes. And it was like, you know, I've been 28 00:01:43,671 --> 00:01:46,351 Speaker 2: with her, I've been behind the camera the whole time, 29 00:01:46,471 --> 00:01:48,951 Speaker 2: but last night I was just like far out. I 30 00:01:48,991 --> 00:01:52,711 Speaker 2: asked so much of you. You have given me so much, 31 00:01:53,431 --> 00:01:57,671 Speaker 2: you know, to see her face and three stories high 32 00:01:58,151 --> 00:02:01,991 Speaker 2: and she's and she's just like, oh, she's so lovely. 33 00:02:02,711 --> 00:02:07,631 Speaker 2: But what was so interesting in the process, and this 34 00:02:07,791 --> 00:02:11,271 Speaker 2: was the big education for like a distributor. So when 35 00:02:11,311 --> 00:02:16,871 Speaker 2: you make a feature film, it's a massive legals, isn't 36 00:02:16,871 --> 00:02:19,711 Speaker 2: it Like when you're dealing with this paperwork, the paperwork, 37 00:02:19,751 --> 00:02:24,831 Speaker 2: the paper chain. Nobody as an artist, nobody can prepare 38 00:02:24,951 --> 00:02:29,111 Speaker 2: you for the paperwork that goes into a film. And 39 00:02:30,391 --> 00:02:36,951 Speaker 2: obviously working in a film in this space, the protocols 40 00:02:37,191 --> 00:02:42,431 Speaker 2: and the approval processes, you know, make everybody nervous. And 41 00:02:42,511 --> 00:02:47,991 Speaker 2: so the approval process for the cultural approval was to 42 00:02:48,031 --> 00:02:51,551 Speaker 2: be undertaken by Tammy and Ticky and Shane, the tv 43 00:02:51,671 --> 00:02:54,751 Speaker 2: CO producers, and they own we own the film is 44 00:02:54,791 --> 00:02:57,831 Speaker 2: shared between my company and their company, which is fantastic. 45 00:02:57,951 --> 00:03:03,631 Speaker 2: So this is a proper partnership, totally absolute proper partnership. 46 00:03:03,711 --> 00:03:06,351 Speaker 2: They we own half the copyright together, they own, we 47 00:03:06,391 --> 00:03:09,431 Speaker 2: own the film. Is you know, a shared film between 48 00:03:09,511 --> 00:03:17,071 Speaker 2: us and but with the cultural stuff, you know, distributor 49 00:03:17,111 --> 00:03:19,071 Speaker 2: is doing the right thing. Everyone's like, well, that's just 50 00:03:19,071 --> 00:03:20,791 Speaker 2: something that signs off and they've been on the bot 51 00:03:20,911 --> 00:03:22,471 Speaker 2: and you know, so we had a you have a 52 00:03:22,511 --> 00:03:26,951 Speaker 2: piece of paper that has to be signed. And I 53 00:03:27,031 --> 00:03:29,951 Speaker 2: always know with these guys when things happened very quickly, 54 00:03:29,951 --> 00:03:32,591 Speaker 2: it's good when people go quiet. I'm like, I got 55 00:03:32,591 --> 00:03:35,111 Speaker 2: a problem here, and I hadn't heard from the guys 56 00:03:35,151 --> 00:03:37,351 Speaker 2: for a couple of days. So I send it through 57 00:03:37,391 --> 00:03:40,191 Speaker 2: again and I don't hear again. And that was really 58 00:03:40,231 --> 00:03:42,831 Speaker 2: because they didn't know how to have the conversation with me, 59 00:03:43,591 --> 00:03:47,951 Speaker 2: and because there was a sense of feeling uncomfortable that 60 00:03:47,991 --> 00:03:51,311 Speaker 2: they were signing on behalf of the tea week people without. 61 00:03:51,111 --> 00:03:53,271 Speaker 1: Everyone were back to community. 62 00:03:53,591 --> 00:03:55,911 Speaker 2: So I was like, so guys, you're asking, you're saying 63 00:03:55,911 --> 00:03:57,311 Speaker 2: to me that I've got to go and get two 64 00:03:57,351 --> 00:03:59,431 Speaker 2: and a half thousand signatures on this piece of paper 65 00:04:00,511 --> 00:04:03,111 Speaker 2: and they're like, well yeah. I went, well, okay, we've 66 00:04:03,151 --> 00:04:04,951 Speaker 2: got a problem. What are we going to what are 67 00:04:04,951 --> 00:04:06,831 Speaker 2: we going to do because we're not going to get that. 68 00:04:07,791 --> 00:04:11,511 Speaker 2: And it was actually Tammy, who's the genius. I'm like 69 00:04:11,591 --> 00:04:16,631 Speaker 2: Tammy for President because she's just genius human. She said, well, 70 00:04:16,711 --> 00:04:20,671 Speaker 2: you know what, We've got three elders that are involved 71 00:04:20,711 --> 00:04:23,271 Speaker 2: in this, and what we can do is we can 72 00:04:23,351 --> 00:04:29,151 Speaker 2: have one elder for language, one elder for country, and 73 00:04:29,191 --> 00:04:33,631 Speaker 2: one elder for culture. I was like, oh, that's so fantastic. 74 00:04:33,911 --> 00:04:37,071 Speaker 2: So what that meant was we've kind of like we've 75 00:04:37,231 --> 00:04:42,071 Speaker 2: shared the responsibility, but we've shared it with the right 76 00:04:42,111 --> 00:04:44,991 Speaker 2: people and then everyone's happy. It's like. 77 00:04:48,191 --> 00:04:49,631 Speaker 1: To work with the community. 78 00:04:49,951 --> 00:04:51,791 Speaker 3: So we did get notes and stuff too, you know, 79 00:04:51,951 --> 00:04:54,191 Speaker 3: and them on bought. You know, that's the thing. It's 80 00:04:54,231 --> 00:04:56,831 Speaker 3: not like this one why someone's just signing off on something. 81 00:04:56,831 --> 00:04:59,351 Speaker 3: It's like, listen to what people have to say. You 82 00:04:59,391 --> 00:05:02,231 Speaker 3: actually have the conversation and okay, I just if you 83 00:05:02,231 --> 00:05:02,471 Speaker 3: have to. 84 00:05:02,471 --> 00:05:07,271 Speaker 2: Because there's that beautiful sing where Mary Maureen Arina's grandmother 85 00:05:07,471 --> 00:05:11,271 Speaker 2: speaks in language, and Marius, we had that, we had 86 00:05:11,271 --> 00:05:15,071 Speaker 2: and she's she's the part in the little scene in 87 00:05:15,111 --> 00:05:19,511 Speaker 2: the film is she's explaining why language is important. She says, 88 00:05:19,591 --> 00:05:21,671 Speaker 2: they have to know themselves who they are. They have 89 00:05:21,751 --> 00:05:23,751 Speaker 2: to be able to speak their language. And when they 90 00:05:23,751 --> 00:05:25,911 Speaker 2: go to Melbourne they speak in language, but in English. 91 00:05:25,911 --> 00:05:27,591 Speaker 2: But when they come back here they speak t wee. 92 00:05:27,711 --> 00:05:30,871 Speaker 2: My kids speak te wee so proudly, and so she 93 00:05:30,951 --> 00:05:32,911 Speaker 2: speaks te wee. She's got a little baby on the floor, 94 00:05:32,911 --> 00:05:34,151 Speaker 2: he's wrapped in a blanket. 95 00:05:34,031 --> 00:05:36,911 Speaker 3: And telling him about the camera. Actually in sad you know, 96 00:05:37,031 --> 00:05:38,591 Speaker 3: get up because the camera can see you. 97 00:05:38,671 --> 00:05:40,751 Speaker 2: But she and she says, God, put your trousers on. 98 00:05:40,871 --> 00:05:40,951 Speaker 3: Ye. 99 00:05:41,151 --> 00:05:43,471 Speaker 2: Yeah, So we had that Gon put your trousers on 100 00:05:43,991 --> 00:05:46,391 Speaker 2: because the camera's here, you can come and speak to 101 00:05:46,431 --> 00:05:48,991 Speaker 2: the camera. We had that on screen because Tiki, I 102 00:05:49,031 --> 00:05:52,551 Speaker 2: think it had translated it and Marius said, I don't 103 00:05:52,551 --> 00:05:55,871 Speaker 2: want that there because that that that that's you know, 104 00:05:55,911 --> 00:05:59,671 Speaker 2: it's an easy it's an easy gag, and I leave 105 00:05:59,711 --> 00:06:04,031 Speaker 2: it and sometimes don't put a subtitle. And the you know, 106 00:06:04,311 --> 00:06:08,551 Speaker 2: the producers were like, but that's funny, and we're like, no, 107 00:06:09,111 --> 00:06:11,591 Speaker 2: the elder doesn't want that there. So it's and it's 108 00:06:11,631 --> 00:06:15,071 Speaker 2: actually beautiful because what I'm what I love is people 109 00:06:15,071 --> 00:06:16,151 Speaker 2: are saying what is she saying? 110 00:06:16,871 --> 00:06:20,551 Speaker 3: You know, which is lovely of the personal inside thing 111 00:06:20,711 --> 00:06:24,351 Speaker 3: and you hear the language and she says then in English, 112 00:06:24,551 --> 00:06:27,391 Speaker 3: my kids speaking tew and stuff, So you hear the language. 113 00:06:27,431 --> 00:06:29,871 Speaker 3: You didn't not get there exactly what she's saying. 114 00:06:30,471 --> 00:06:33,511 Speaker 1: So with this film, these beautiful women that have given 115 00:06:33,591 --> 00:06:38,191 Speaker 1: so much of their time their life and coming to Melbourne. 116 00:06:38,791 --> 00:06:41,071 Speaker 1: They play in the a f L the w A 117 00:06:41,231 --> 00:06:42,631 Speaker 1: f L. Are they living here? 118 00:06:42,711 --> 00:06:43,751 Speaker 2: This is a spoiler. 119 00:06:47,911 --> 00:06:53,791 Speaker 1: We can't let you know. These two different worlds, this 120 00:06:54,151 --> 00:06:58,071 Speaker 1: black fellow world, average world, te wee world, and there's 121 00:06:58,471 --> 00:07:05,711 Speaker 1: mainstream white falla western world, so different, right, and bringing 122 00:07:05,751 --> 00:07:08,911 Speaker 1: them together in terms of these young women coming here 123 00:07:08,911 --> 00:07:12,991 Speaker 1: to Melbourne, getting on that plane, staying in these hotels, 124 00:07:13,111 --> 00:07:16,871 Speaker 1: interacting with different people, how has that been if you 125 00:07:16,911 --> 00:07:20,551 Speaker 1: can't tell us, how has it been with these women 126 00:07:21,151 --> 00:07:25,471 Speaker 1: in terms of just navigating the teewee world, leaving community, coming. 127 00:07:25,271 --> 00:07:28,711 Speaker 2: Here for football or for the film, for the film, 128 00:07:29,071 --> 00:07:29,551 Speaker 2: for the film. 129 00:07:29,831 --> 00:07:32,111 Speaker 1: We're not going to spoil the film, right, but. 130 00:07:32,191 --> 00:07:36,071 Speaker 2: They do come to Melbourne. But yes, for the film. 131 00:07:36,151 --> 00:07:39,591 Speaker 3: I think like there was a challenge around football grand 132 00:07:39,591 --> 00:07:42,791 Speaker 3: final and missing out. Obviously one of the girls actually 133 00:07:42,951 --> 00:07:44,911 Speaker 3: didn't come to the film festival because she had two 134 00:07:44,951 --> 00:07:47,791 Speaker 3: grand finals and one both of them and you know 135 00:07:47,871 --> 00:07:51,991 Speaker 3: stage she actually traveled from Baranga, so the finals in 136 00:07:52,071 --> 00:07:55,431 Speaker 3: Catherine and then flew to Darwin or drove to day 137 00:07:55,471 --> 00:07:57,511 Speaker 3: and probably and then flew to Tewei to play the 138 00:07:57,511 --> 00:07:59,631 Speaker 3: second grand final one both of them she beat the 139 00:07:59,631 --> 00:08:02,951 Speaker 3: other team that you know, so we had some sad 140 00:08:02,991 --> 00:08:07,391 Speaker 3: girls here in album I've excited. Yeah, but the girls 141 00:08:07,591 --> 00:08:09,631 Speaker 3: I think they really enjoyed it, like I mean mifted. 142 00:08:10,191 --> 00:08:12,711 Speaker 3: The Melbourne International Film Festival looked after us. We all 143 00:08:12,751 --> 00:08:14,871 Speaker 3: got to say in a flash hotel, you know, really 144 00:08:14,871 --> 00:08:17,071 Speaker 3: close to the screetings and stuff, and I think we 145 00:08:17,111 --> 00:08:19,631 Speaker 3: all felt like, you know, it was really special, you know, 146 00:08:19,871 --> 00:08:22,831 Speaker 3: bringing children with them and stuff too, and felt you know, 147 00:08:22,871 --> 00:08:25,231 Speaker 3: I think they just felt proud of what they'd actually 148 00:08:25,271 --> 00:08:27,391 Speaker 3: been able to achieve. Now they shared this story and 149 00:08:27,431 --> 00:08:29,791 Speaker 3: that were brave enough to do that. Yeah, and it's 150 00:08:29,871 --> 00:08:31,831 Speaker 3: you know, it's quite a long it's been a long 151 00:08:31,911 --> 00:08:34,271 Speaker 3: journey for them and to I think last night they 152 00:08:34,271 --> 00:08:37,391 Speaker 3: actually said that you know, yes, we waited seven years 153 00:08:37,431 --> 00:08:37,671 Speaker 3: for this. 154 00:08:37,911 --> 00:08:42,071 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the thing as well is that we 155 00:08:42,151 --> 00:08:45,951 Speaker 2: set out, we thought that we were making a footy film. 156 00:08:45,991 --> 00:08:49,111 Speaker 2: This is not a footy film. This is a film 157 00:08:49,671 --> 00:08:52,031 Speaker 2: exactly about what you're saying about what it takes to 158 00:08:52,111 --> 00:08:59,271 Speaker 2: walk proudly in two worlds. But what you come to 159 00:08:59,391 --> 00:09:03,391 Speaker 2: realize is that's not just about blackfells walking proudly here, 160 00:09:04,111 --> 00:09:10,271 Speaker 2: because this film explores so many cultural aspects, it's actually 161 00:09:10,551 --> 00:09:13,351 Speaker 2: more about what it takes for white fellaws to work. 162 00:09:13,591 --> 00:09:15,191 Speaker 2: Like I would love it that we don't have a 163 00:09:15,231 --> 00:09:17,391 Speaker 2: black world and a white world. I would love it 164 00:09:17,431 --> 00:09:21,071 Speaker 2: that we come together and we have a respect and 165 00:09:21,191 --> 00:09:24,311 Speaker 2: understanding for all that we're bringing, and that we can 166 00:09:24,351 --> 00:09:26,551 Speaker 2: walk away from that and still have, you know, respect 167 00:09:26,591 --> 00:09:30,151 Speaker 2: for our cultures like that. But I think that that 168 00:09:30,271 --> 00:09:33,031 Speaker 2: was you know, one of the things that really struck 169 00:09:33,111 --> 00:09:36,991 Speaker 2: me was, and you know this is to our earlier 170 00:09:36,991 --> 00:09:40,071 Speaker 2: conversation about kids coming down to school or you know, 171 00:09:40,351 --> 00:09:44,751 Speaker 2: where kids go to school from community, is that I 172 00:09:44,791 --> 00:09:49,791 Speaker 2: was constantly surprised when football clubs said, oh, we're so amazed. 173 00:09:49,831 --> 00:09:52,231 Speaker 2: We thought we were giving them, we've actually learned more 174 00:09:52,271 --> 00:09:54,191 Speaker 2: than they've learn And I'm like, what do you what 175 00:09:54,231 --> 00:09:57,111 Speaker 2: do you mean, Like, what do you mean? Like, you know, 176 00:09:57,231 --> 00:09:57,751 Speaker 2: it was just. 177 00:09:57,911 --> 00:10:02,351 Speaker 1: The exchange of cultural knowledge that's been gifted to a 178 00:10:02,391 --> 00:10:05,791 Speaker 1: lot of white Australians, non over people. Yeah, Purple are 179 00:10:05,831 --> 00:10:06,631 Speaker 1: surprise and. 180 00:10:06,591 --> 00:10:11,271 Speaker 2: They are brilliance on the bloody football. Oh my god, 181 00:10:11,431 --> 00:10:14,431 Speaker 2: I mean Rena's do go and see the film just 182 00:10:14,471 --> 00:10:16,431 Speaker 2: for Rena's what tell those girls. 183 00:10:16,151 --> 00:10:19,711 Speaker 1: How our listens and our viewers now what the film's called. 184 00:10:19,831 --> 00:10:22,631 Speaker 2: The film is called Like My Brother, and it follows 185 00:10:23,231 --> 00:10:26,831 Speaker 2: four young tee wee women on their quest to play 186 00:10:26,871 --> 00:10:31,151 Speaker 2: professional footy and what that takes and the costs that 187 00:10:31,151 --> 00:10:34,151 Speaker 2: that that comes what it comes at. But I think 188 00:10:34,271 --> 00:10:38,991 Speaker 2: most importantly it's about daring to dream and that's what 189 00:10:39,071 --> 00:10:41,631 Speaker 2: when the girls have had interviews over the last few days, 190 00:10:41,871 --> 00:10:46,231 Speaker 2: what they're most proud about is debt is inspiring not 191 00:10:46,391 --> 00:10:52,471 Speaker 2: just not tee wee women, but inspiring girls from That's 192 00:10:52,511 --> 00:10:53,591 Speaker 2: exactly what they've been saying. 193 00:10:53,631 --> 00:10:56,271 Speaker 3: Remote communities, you know, like just to actually understand what 194 00:10:56,311 --> 00:10:59,031 Speaker 3: it takes to leave your community, be brave, put yourself 195 00:10:59,031 --> 00:10:59,471 Speaker 3: out there. 196 00:10:59,631 --> 00:11:00,791 Speaker 2: And they're all saying the same. 197 00:11:00,631 --> 00:11:04,191 Speaker 3: Thing, take the take the risk, a company, come and 198 00:11:04,391 --> 00:11:06,631 Speaker 3: have a go, you know, like because they have grown 199 00:11:06,751 --> 00:11:09,191 Speaker 3: over this period and we didn't want to spoil the 200 00:11:09,191 --> 00:11:11,071 Speaker 3: film and stuff. But they're back at home and they 201 00:11:11,191 --> 00:11:14,791 Speaker 3: are actually living amazing lives, you know, like their mothers, 202 00:11:14,831 --> 00:11:16,511 Speaker 3: and they're got amazing. 203 00:11:16,351 --> 00:11:19,231 Speaker 2: Talking about this earlier, weren't we because we talk about 204 00:11:19,271 --> 00:11:24,871 Speaker 2: how a brain, a brain expanded through opportunity, never goes 205 00:11:24,911 --> 00:11:30,311 Speaker 2: back to the same dimension. So these girls, you could say, oh, 206 00:11:30,351 --> 00:11:33,711 Speaker 2: it's just a coincidence that these four girls, when you 207 00:11:33,751 --> 00:11:36,911 Speaker 2: think about how scarce jobs are in community, these four 208 00:11:36,951 --> 00:11:40,151 Speaker 2: girls have gone back and they've got amazing jobs. So, 209 00:11:40,471 --> 00:11:44,271 Speaker 2: for example, Juliana is an assistant teacher. Jess is working 210 00:11:44,311 --> 00:11:47,071 Speaker 2: in the local cracee. She's been doing that for sort 211 00:11:47,071 --> 00:11:51,191 Speaker 2: of two years now. Frido is a police liaison officer. 212 00:11:51,231 --> 00:11:54,991 Speaker 2: She's just undertaken her training in Alice and now she's 213 00:11:55,311 --> 00:11:57,831 Speaker 2: going back. She's saying last night she's doing more online 214 00:11:57,871 --> 00:12:01,471 Speaker 2: training for the next six months. And Rena, Reena's going 215 00:12:01,551 --> 00:12:04,471 Speaker 2: to Rena's amazing, she is. The girls are amazing. But 216 00:12:04,591 --> 00:12:07,871 Speaker 2: Rina's job at the moment, she is working to be 217 00:12:08,471 --> 00:12:12,471 Speaker 2: training to be a director of Jelamara Gallery. Well, I'm 218 00:12:12,511 --> 00:12:15,031 Speaker 2: saying that Jelamara because she will be one day, but 219 00:12:15,111 --> 00:12:17,271 Speaker 2: at the moment. She's a gallery assistant. She's a beautiful 220 00:12:17,311 --> 00:12:20,271 Speaker 2: artist in her own right. Her grandfather's Timothy Cook, so 221 00:12:20,311 --> 00:12:24,391 Speaker 2: she comes from artist's royalty. But you know, those girls 222 00:12:25,151 --> 00:12:29,991 Speaker 2: know what it takes to be disciplined and as in 223 00:12:30,991 --> 00:12:33,271 Speaker 2: being a young mum and what it takes to get 224 00:12:33,271 --> 00:12:36,471 Speaker 2: out the door and earn, earn. It's hard. It's hard 225 00:12:36,471 --> 00:12:38,471 Speaker 2: for those girls. Yeah, And I think what Sale was 226 00:12:38,471 --> 00:12:41,271 Speaker 2: talking hard for all the old single months, you know, mums, 227 00:12:41,351 --> 00:12:42,191 Speaker 2: young moms. 228 00:12:42,471 --> 00:12:44,391 Speaker 3: Daring to dream and stuff too. And you know you 229 00:12:44,431 --> 00:12:46,711 Speaker 3: talk about you know, this film being made over seven years. 230 00:12:47,031 --> 00:12:49,271 Speaker 3: The interesting thing I was talking to Sell about today 231 00:12:49,311 --> 00:12:54,431 Speaker 3: too is that actually giving investing time into people. And 232 00:12:54,471 --> 00:12:57,151 Speaker 3: so because this film happened over a long period of time, 233 00:12:57,311 --> 00:13:00,231 Speaker 3: you're able to capture you know, the positive stuff over 234 00:13:00,351 --> 00:13:03,111 Speaker 3: and people interested in your life over seven years. I 235 00:13:03,151 --> 00:13:06,271 Speaker 3: think that actually added to this life story as well. 236 00:13:06,311 --> 00:13:09,351 Speaker 3: And then building as people and you know, growing as 237 00:13:09,391 --> 00:13:12,071 Speaker 3: young women. You know, we we see them grow over 238 00:13:12,151 --> 00:13:13,791 Speaker 3: the film. You know, it is a coming of age 239 00:13:13,791 --> 00:13:17,071 Speaker 3: film and stuff too, but you just see you see 240 00:13:17,071 --> 00:13:20,431 Speaker 3: them as little girls and then but brave young girls. 241 00:13:20,591 --> 00:13:22,831 Speaker 2: But we do explore some dark stuff as well. 242 00:13:23,191 --> 00:13:25,951 Speaker 3: There is things that are touched on that aren't necessarily 243 00:13:25,951 --> 00:13:28,231 Speaker 3: on screen as well, so you know there's more to 244 00:13:28,271 --> 00:13:31,391 Speaker 3: the story and you know that, you know there are challenges, 245 00:13:32,111 --> 00:13:34,671 Speaker 3: and there are challenges that the girl's face and there 246 00:13:34,671 --> 00:13:37,031 Speaker 3: are you know, I think that that's. 247 00:13:36,911 --> 00:13:39,071 Speaker 2: What makes it richer. Though. We have a big get 248 00:13:39,111 --> 00:13:41,231 Speaker 2: out of jail card as well, which is COVID. 249 00:13:41,711 --> 00:13:44,351 Speaker 1: Oh yes, that happened in the middle of all this, And. 250 00:13:44,311 --> 00:13:46,911 Speaker 2: I mean the biggest thing is the girls were waiting 251 00:13:46,911 --> 00:13:50,551 Speaker 2: for a phone call that didn't come. And I can't 252 00:13:50,551 --> 00:13:53,151 Speaker 2: say about the spoiler of that, but you know, audience 253 00:13:53,191 --> 00:13:55,871 Speaker 2: wanted to know did that phone call ever come? And 254 00:13:55,871 --> 00:13:58,511 Speaker 2: the girls are very honest about that, you know, and 255 00:13:58,511 --> 00:14:02,591 Speaker 2: that's that was tough for those girls. You know, that's 256 00:14:02,911 --> 00:14:05,591 Speaker 2: that there's But in the same like this is what 257 00:14:05,631 --> 00:14:06,111 Speaker 2: we talk about. 258 00:14:06,111 --> 00:14:08,991 Speaker 3: The film is really positive because those skills use these experience, 259 00:14:09,031 --> 00:14:10,871 Speaker 3: they pick themselves up and they keep going. 260 00:14:10,991 --> 00:14:13,191 Speaker 2: You know, the resilience of your mob high. 261 00:14:13,231 --> 00:14:16,271 Speaker 1: You know, I'm like sitting in now going this film, 262 00:14:16,431 --> 00:14:17,231 Speaker 1: We've got to go. 263 00:14:17,151 --> 00:14:26,311 Speaker 2: And watch it. Going back to your kids as the 264 00:14:26,391 --> 00:14:30,711 Speaker 2: kids thing as well, We've really I'm really excited by 265 00:14:32,071 --> 00:14:35,231 Speaker 2: We're doing a big educational Commerson. It has to be 266 00:14:36,271 --> 00:14:39,071 Speaker 2: through a company called cool dot Org. Yeah, big shout 267 00:14:39,111 --> 00:14:40,951 Speaker 2: out to those guys because the work they're doing is 268 00:14:41,431 --> 00:14:45,551 Speaker 2: just chef's Kiss, so fantastic. But that will be for 269 00:14:45,671 --> 00:14:48,231 Speaker 2: year nine and ten kids across Australia. 270 00:14:48,711 --> 00:14:48,911 Speaker 1: Yeah. 271 00:14:49,071 --> 00:14:52,031 Speaker 2: So Ties into the Curriculum is able to be accessed 272 00:14:52,031 --> 00:14:54,591 Speaker 2: by one hundred and seventy five thousand teachers in Australia. 273 00:14:55,031 --> 00:14:58,511 Speaker 2: So I in the very beginning, I was like, oh, man, 274 00:14:58,711 --> 00:15:01,031 Speaker 2: imagine if we could get you twelve kids, like if 275 00:15:01,071 --> 00:15:05,871 Speaker 2: this could be on the VC curriculum. Yes. So the 276 00:15:06,231 --> 00:15:09,271 Speaker 2: first three units are tied into English and they talk 277 00:15:09,311 --> 00:15:13,111 Speaker 2: about plot, theme and characters. So you know to think 278 00:15:13,151 --> 00:15:18,831 Speaker 2: that Rina, Jess Frieda, Juliana as characters, what are their obstacles? 279 00:15:19,431 --> 00:15:21,711 Speaker 2: I mean, how amazing is that? 280 00:15:21,911 --> 00:15:25,591 Speaker 1: Well, that's now an average perspective innolescent plans that a 281 00:15:25,591 --> 00:15:28,751 Speaker 1: lot of abstable kids who are at school can finally 282 00:15:28,871 --> 00:15:31,871 Speaker 1: see themselves represented. This is also the. 283 00:15:31,791 --> 00:15:36,711 Speaker 3: Opposite white kids going or multicultural Australians. It's going this 284 00:15:36,871 --> 00:15:39,431 Speaker 3: is what it's like to be an Aboriginal kid, and 285 00:15:39,831 --> 00:15:42,951 Speaker 3: I can understand what they're going through. And also like, 286 00:15:43,071 --> 00:15:44,711 Speaker 3: one of the things I love about the film is 287 00:15:44,751 --> 00:15:48,071 Speaker 3: these girls. You just it's the humanity of the audience 288 00:15:48,191 --> 00:15:50,591 Speaker 3: cares about them, We want them to win, and you know, 289 00:15:50,671 --> 00:15:53,231 Speaker 3: I think that's the heart of the film. Is the 290 00:15:53,271 --> 00:15:55,831 Speaker 3: amazing part of the film as well. It's like people 291 00:15:55,831 --> 00:15:57,911 Speaker 3: care about them, want and I think that's what we 292 00:15:57,951 --> 00:15:58,591 Speaker 3: have to care about. 293 00:15:58,631 --> 00:16:00,591 Speaker 2: It all come out to us in cinema last night. 294 00:16:00,591 --> 00:16:02,351 Speaker 2: I had this woman coming out. I felt like I 295 00:16:02,391 --> 00:16:04,391 Speaker 2: had to, you know, put my around her and give 296 00:16:04,391 --> 00:16:06,111 Speaker 2: her a hug. Ive never met this one before. She's like, 297 00:16:06,471 --> 00:16:09,151 Speaker 2: I'm an English teacher and I just will I be 298 00:16:09,191 --> 00:16:11,911 Speaker 2: able to teach my children. I'm like, yeah, you will. 299 00:16:12,071 --> 00:16:14,511 Speaker 2: It's okay, that's hard, It's gonna be great. Yeah, she 300 00:16:14,631 --> 00:16:16,311 Speaker 2: just said. I kept crying. I kept crying. 301 00:16:17,311 --> 00:16:20,751 Speaker 3: There's so many you know, there is some really heartfelt 302 00:16:20,791 --> 00:16:23,791 Speaker 3: moments in the film, but there's so many positive, uplifting moments. 303 00:16:23,951 --> 00:16:26,111 Speaker 2: That's what's been great being. I mean, you know, somebody 304 00:16:26,111 --> 00:16:27,791 Speaker 2: said to me last night, you can go to another sky. 305 00:16:27,831 --> 00:16:31,711 Speaker 2: I'm like, quite, because when we were crafting, when you 306 00:16:31,751 --> 00:16:34,791 Speaker 2: craft a story, and you know, Dan and I you 307 00:16:34,871 --> 00:16:38,151 Speaker 2: literally have wall like this, you have scene cards and 308 00:16:38,191 --> 00:16:40,471 Speaker 2: it's a docco so it's not you know, you're not 309 00:16:41,071 --> 00:16:44,071 Speaker 2: making it up. We're looking at the food of the 310 00:16:44,191 --> 00:16:46,351 Speaker 2: real life. You're working with real life. And we'll go, 311 00:16:46,951 --> 00:16:49,591 Speaker 2: you know, we will. We should talk about talk about Nana. 312 00:16:50,671 --> 00:16:52,871 Speaker 2: So introduced Nana as a character. 313 00:16:53,311 --> 00:16:55,711 Speaker 3: It's really hard because you know, we all care about 314 00:16:55,711 --> 00:16:58,031 Speaker 3: this lady and the journey of the film. You know, 315 00:16:58,071 --> 00:17:01,071 Speaker 3: there's some sad things that happened to her, but Frieda's Nana, 316 00:17:01,351 --> 00:17:02,031 Speaker 3: Nana Aileen. 317 00:17:02,551 --> 00:17:03,471 Speaker 2: She just guides. 318 00:17:03,951 --> 00:17:06,391 Speaker 3: She's this guiding force through the film and you really 319 00:17:06,431 --> 00:17:07,271 Speaker 3: love and care for her. 320 00:17:07,351 --> 00:17:09,111 Speaker 2: And it's hard at the end of the film. 321 00:17:09,111 --> 00:17:12,031 Speaker 3: But we actually, without spoiling the film, we got to 322 00:17:12,231 --> 00:17:15,551 Speaker 3: film a pook money ceremony, which is the ceremony that 323 00:17:15,591 --> 00:17:18,871 Speaker 3: happens after a funeral maybe a year later, and it's 324 00:17:19,111 --> 00:17:21,791 Speaker 3: to finish the morning period and not that's the thing 325 00:17:21,791 --> 00:17:23,911 Speaker 3: about access and family and stuff too. 326 00:17:23,951 --> 00:17:25,751 Speaker 2: They wanted us there. 327 00:17:25,831 --> 00:17:27,551 Speaker 3: I mean, Ticki, the producer, went and talked to the 328 00:17:27,551 --> 00:17:29,231 Speaker 3: family and they were happy for us to be there. 329 00:17:29,351 --> 00:17:30,631 Speaker 2: Obviously I directed that. 330 00:17:30,951 --> 00:17:33,671 Speaker 3: We're very aware that, you know, we didn't want to 331 00:17:33,671 --> 00:17:35,991 Speaker 3: get in the way and anyway when we really respectful. But 332 00:17:36,031 --> 00:17:38,631 Speaker 3: it's a really beautiful scene because it feels like you're 333 00:17:38,671 --> 00:17:39,311 Speaker 3: there and you're. 334 00:17:39,191 --> 00:17:42,431 Speaker 2: Wiz mob, you know, and you're just such a privilege 335 00:17:42,511 --> 00:17:48,431 Speaker 2: and Marius or Ruaney, Brin Tadam Mary, he explains what 336 00:17:48,831 --> 00:17:53,871 Speaker 2: pooker money is and that it's that his description. It's 337 00:17:53,951 --> 00:17:57,271 Speaker 2: so he's so wonderful. Dan just did the most Like 338 00:17:57,631 --> 00:18:01,751 Speaker 2: I'm in Melbourne watching this unfold and like, you just 339 00:18:01,791 --> 00:18:03,551 Speaker 2: did the most amazing job. I don't know how you 340 00:18:03,671 --> 00:18:05,751 Speaker 2: got him to explain that, but he says, or how 341 00:18:05,791 --> 00:18:07,831 Speaker 2: you got did you give him that? I would love 342 00:18:07,831 --> 00:18:11,351 Speaker 2: to know the leading questions because he goes so in 343 00:18:11,431 --> 00:18:13,231 Speaker 2: western way and I was like, oh my god. 344 00:18:13,271 --> 00:18:16,951 Speaker 3: It was just just brilliant talent though, you know, elder 345 00:18:17,071 --> 00:18:21,511 Speaker 3: to elder who actually is used to actually bringing more 346 00:18:21,711 --> 00:18:22,871 Speaker 3: people from outside. 347 00:18:22,871 --> 00:18:23,831 Speaker 2: He's an interpreter. 348 00:18:24,311 --> 00:18:28,631 Speaker 3: Yeah, he knows here to understand their culture. And he 349 00:18:28,711 --> 00:18:30,791 Speaker 3: was so open and stuff. I didn't do anything magic. 350 00:18:30,911 --> 00:18:33,431 Speaker 2: He was too beautiful. And his face last night, like 351 00:18:33,471 --> 00:18:37,391 Speaker 2: his face is literally the whole screen. It's so beautifully shot. 352 00:18:38,111 --> 00:18:42,391 Speaker 2: And yeah, and it's really interesting. Like I think the 353 00:18:42,391 --> 00:18:46,351 Speaker 2: biggest takeaway I've had from people who've seen the film 354 00:18:46,591 --> 00:18:50,231 Speaker 2: is like I feel like I have just been given 355 00:18:50,351 --> 00:18:53,551 Speaker 2: this gift of a culture that I didn't know was 356 00:18:53,591 --> 00:18:57,151 Speaker 2: there for me to access Like Australian, there's no sign 357 00:18:57,231 --> 00:19:00,471 Speaker 2: saying stay out. You know, it's it's there if we 358 00:19:00,631 --> 00:19:04,631 Speaker 2: ask the right questions. This depth and this wonder and 359 00:19:04,671 --> 00:19:08,311 Speaker 2: this culture is there for us. All mother was so 360 00:19:08,431 --> 00:19:10,311 Speaker 2: happy to share, aren't they really? 361 00:19:10,591 --> 00:19:14,231 Speaker 1: Yeah? I agree. I'm sitting here going my camera's going 362 00:19:14,271 --> 00:19:18,231 Speaker 1: to die soon. Yeah, we could be yearning about well, really, 363 00:19:18,631 --> 00:19:21,551 Speaker 1: you know, what do you want in terms of for 364 00:19:21,631 --> 00:19:25,431 Speaker 1: Australians to take from this film? And I just you 365 00:19:25,551 --> 00:19:27,911 Speaker 1: kind of answered the question I wanted to ask next, 366 00:19:28,471 --> 00:19:32,191 Speaker 1: is that this is a gift. To see it as 367 00:19:32,191 --> 00:19:34,031 Speaker 1: a gift, to receive it as a gift, and what 368 00:19:34,071 --> 00:19:35,751 Speaker 1: you do with that gift is up to you. 369 00:19:36,551 --> 00:19:37,511 Speaker 2: But it should. 370 00:19:37,311 --> 00:19:41,151 Speaker 1: Actually help change the relationship in this country that is 371 00:19:41,191 --> 00:19:45,991 Speaker 1: long overdue between wide and Black Australia, Indigenous and non Indigenous. 372 00:19:46,231 --> 00:19:49,511 Speaker 1: We need to come together and these films need to 373 00:19:49,551 --> 00:19:52,071 Speaker 1: be created and need to be accessible to the public. 374 00:19:52,311 --> 00:19:55,231 Speaker 1: I can't wait to see it, and I'm so excited 375 00:19:55,231 --> 00:19:58,311 Speaker 1: that I actually had the opportunity to hear from both 376 00:19:58,351 --> 00:20:01,231 Speaker 1: of you about this film that most of us are 377 00:20:01,231 --> 00:20:04,311 Speaker 1: still waiting to see. So can I just quickly say 378 00:20:04,511 --> 00:20:08,151 Speaker 1: in terms of the women that feature in this film, 379 00:20:08,431 --> 00:20:10,671 Speaker 1: I would love to get them on the podcast and 380 00:20:10,751 --> 00:20:14,151 Speaker 1: I can zum them on and we can actually talk 381 00:20:14,191 --> 00:20:17,231 Speaker 1: to them more in depth. We might all be able 382 00:20:17,271 --> 00:20:18,831 Speaker 1: to get on. I'd love to go the tea Wee 383 00:20:18,831 --> 00:20:22,391 Speaker 1: Islands day. Could that be a thing? I can't wait? Well, 384 00:20:22,431 --> 00:20:24,711 Speaker 1: thank you so much, Thank you so much for coming 385 00:20:24,751 --> 00:20:28,391 Speaker 1: in and just being so I don't know, I just 386 00:20:28,431 --> 00:20:32,871 Speaker 1: like feel like I've been gifted this story now that 387 00:20:33,031 --> 00:20:35,871 Speaker 1: I can't wait to watch. I'm gonna tomorrow. I'll be 388 00:20:35,871 --> 00:20:38,191 Speaker 1: looking for this story, this film counting down to the 389 00:20:38,191 --> 00:20:42,591 Speaker 1: seventeenth of October. Everyone that's watching this podcast or even 390 00:20:42,631 --> 00:20:46,551 Speaker 1: listening to this yarn, make sure you go and see 391 00:20:47,191 --> 00:20:49,751 Speaker 1: like my brother, I knew it straight because. 392 00:20:49,591 --> 00:20:52,351 Speaker 2: After that, brother, And if you want a T shirt, 393 00:20:52,351 --> 00:20:54,111 Speaker 2: go online, because I'm about to take it down because 394 00:20:54,111 --> 00:20:56,071 Speaker 2: I've got so many orders to adcome cope and I'm 395 00:20:56,071 --> 00:20:57,391 Speaker 2: making them myself. 396 00:20:57,431 --> 00:20:59,591 Speaker 1: There you go, so are you? 397 00:20:59,711 --> 00:20:59,911 Speaker 3: Mom? 398 00:21:00,151 --> 00:21:02,191 Speaker 1: I just want to say, I hope you've enjoyed there's 399 00:21:02,231 --> 00:21:05,791 Speaker 1: deadly yarn with these dead women, and I'm sure there's 400 00:21:05,911 --> 00:21:08,231 Speaker 1: more that you're gonna hear about in the future. So 401 00:21:08,351 --> 00:21:11,871 Speaker 1: until next time. Bye for now. If you'd like any 402 00:21:11,911 --> 00:21:15,311 Speaker 1: more info on today's guest, please visit our show notes 403 00:21:15,431 --> 00:21:19,871 Speaker 1: in the episode description. A big shout out to all 404 00:21:19,951 --> 00:21:23,071 Speaker 1: you Deadly Mob and allies who continue to listen, watch, 405 00:21:23,111 --> 00:21:27,151 Speaker 1: and support our podcast. Your feedback means the world. You 406 00:21:27,191 --> 00:21:30,351 Speaker 1: can rate and review the podcast on Apple and Spotify, 407 00:21:30,591 --> 00:21:33,431 Speaker 1: or even head to our socials and YouTube channel and 408 00:21:33,511 --> 00:21:35,591 Speaker 1: drop us a line. We'd love to hear from you. 409 00:21:36,311 --> 00:21:39,831 Speaker 1: The Black Magic Woman podcast is produced by Clint Curtis.