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Speaker 1: Just over two weeks to Christmas. Hello, welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Happy Families Podcast. I'm really excited today's episode. It's a

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Speaker 1: little bit different today. We're getting excited about psychology.

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Speaker 2: Kylie.

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Speaker 1: I can feel your thrill emanating around the podcast studio,

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Speaker 1: just hearing the words. You know, it's almost Christmas, right, Yes,

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Speaker 1: this is what I love to do across Christmas. I

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Speaker 1: love to pick up psychology textbooks literally textbooks, and I

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Speaker 1: can read so much of them across this nice quiet time.

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Speaker 3: Can you keep it to yourself?

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Speaker 1: I will after this very brief episode of The Happy

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Speaker 1: Family's podcast where I share with you the psychology of

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Speaker 1: Christmas magic. Why is it that we and our children

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Speaker 1: get so excited about Christmas? What are the things psychologically

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Speaker 1: speaking that are sources of Christmas joy?

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Speaker 3: Why does everything have to be scientific?

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Speaker 1: Because when you understand this stuff, you can actually literally

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Speaker 1: engineer Christmas to be more joyful.

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Speaker 2: That's the whole thing. Like if okay, right.

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Speaker 3: All right, I have a question, very merry, let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's coming up next?

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Speaker 1: Good I Welcome to The Happy Families Podcast. Real parenting solutions,

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Speaker 1: every single day on Australia's most downloaded Parenting podcast. We

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Speaker 1: are Justin and Kylie cour and we parents have six kids.

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Speaker 1: We're so glad you're joining us as we enter the

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Speaker 1: Christmas season. How I'm feeling very jingly and jangly and

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Speaker 2: And I've been dipping into the research Kylie.

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Speaker 1: Today we're talking about the seven psychological sources of Christmas Magic.

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Speaker 1: That's what I have tentatively titled today's topic, which means

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Speaker 1: that we're going to go through a list of seven

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Speaker 1: things that make Christmas magical from a psychological standpoint.

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Speaker 3: Seven things I.

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Speaker 1: Could have kept on going, but I know that you're

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Speaker 1: only able to tolerate so much. And my goal is

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Speaker 1: to get through each of them in under a minute.

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Speaker 1: Unless you decide that you want to tell stories about them.

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Speaker 3: You're so funny, you're going to blame me when we

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Speaker 3: go over time.

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Speaker 1: Let's do the first one, because I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: get in trouble. It's Christmas. We want to get this

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Speaker 1: The central reason I think that Christmas is full of joy,

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Speaker 1: full of happiness, full of Christmas magic is relationships. Relationships

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Speaker 1: are number one. Christmas concentrates our most important relationships.

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Speaker 2: Whether you're in a.

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Speaker 1: Midnight gathering with friends, or whether you're reading books and

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Speaker 1: or whether you're flying overseas to catch up with family,

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Speaker 1: hosting big Christmas parties.

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Speaker 3: The Magic Oh's writing Christmas cards to your friends.

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Speaker 1: Intentional togetherness. Christmas is about intentional togetherness. One of the

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Speaker 1: few times I think of the year that we genuinely

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Speaker 1: prioritize connection over productivity, which helps us to feel like

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Speaker 1: we belong. So that is the number one reason from

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Speaker 1: my point of view around this, Agree, disagree.

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Speaker 2: Agreed, Okay.

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Speaker 3: Number two.

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Speaker 1: The second one is I'm going to use some big words,

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Speaker 1: but then I'll make sure it makes sense. Anticipated joy

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Speaker 3: See that's why I set Christmas up on the first

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Speaker 1: Anticipated joy.

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Speaker 3: It brings joy like it fills me with joy, and

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Speaker 3: it fills our home with joy. We just had friends

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Speaker 1: It feels so good, and you're talking about the fact

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Speaker 3: That's right, that's all it was. It was just the tree.

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Speaker 1: That's why advent calendars and one more sleep until conversations,

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Speaker 1: Started doing Christmasy things, start doing them because those traditions

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Speaker 1: The third thing is again some big words, I'm so sorry,

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Speaker 1: sensory anchoring and memory. That means is, you know, when

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Speaker 3: You have that amazing chocolate moose trifle every year at

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Speaker 1: If you have it a couple of weeks before Christmas

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Speaker 2: And so there's this, there's this.

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Speaker 1: Like you've got all of the different visual cues, like

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Speaker 1: These are these powerful memory anchors and they get you

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Speaker 1: to do this mental time travel we go. I remember

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Speaker 3: So we don't have it up here, but when we

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Speaker 3: So you know, I heard a really cool story about

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Speaker 2: Because somebody planted a whole lot of jacaranda.

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Speaker 1: It's the energy of the togetherness when everybody is in sync.

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Speaker 1: least in our society where massive portions not everybody, of course,

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Speaker 1: collective effervescence from Durkheim, and I think that's another part

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Speaker 2: Hence the podcast today.

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Speaker 1: Stay with us, we're back. It's the Happy Families Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Today we're talking about the psychology of Christmas magic.

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Speaker 3: You said there was four more? Do we only do three? Well?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because you started talking me.

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Speaker 2: So permission for wonder, Permission for wonder.

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Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is like, as adults,

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Speaker 1: Christmas gives an opportunity for abstraction and magical thinking and

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Speaker 1: create elaborative narrative elaborative elaborate narratives that I've argued for

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Speaker 1: the next one. And that is savoring and gratitude. Savoring

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Speaker 1: So I don't know how many we've done, and I've

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Speaker 1: Finding ways that you can create sensory anchors and bring

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