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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os. It's Friday,

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Speaker 2: the twelfth of January. I'm Zarah, I'm Sam. Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: has been leading in the news cycle when it comes

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Speaker 2: to the Republican nominees and this year's presidential election. But

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Speaker 3: That's why I think you need a badass woman in

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Speaker 2: NICKI Haley could end up winning the Republican nomination for president.

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Speaker 2: But who actually is she and could she really win

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Speaker 2: you know in today's deep dive. But first Sam the headline.

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Speaker 3: Opposition leader Peter Dutton said Australians should boycott Woolworths after

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Speaker 3: and broader community discussions. Dutton told Sydney radio station two

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Speaker 2: New South Wales police have appealed for witnesses after a

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Speaker 3: Amazon will cut what it describes as several hundred jobs

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Speaker 3: According to the memo, all impacted employees will be notified

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Speaker 2: And today's good news. For the first time, more than

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Speaker 2: half of Germany's electricity grid is powered by renewables, after

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So last February, Nikki Haley confirmed that she was

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Speaker 2: Trump is the clear front runner through and through, but

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Speaker 2: he is facing many, many legal challenges in many forms.

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Speaker 2: And while I don't think that the criminal charges against

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Speaker 2: Republican nomination, I do think those two efforts in Colorado

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Speaker 3: Because of his involvement in January sixth.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if the Supreme Court doesn't overturn those decisions, which

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Speaker 2: they very well could, and it would seem likely they would,

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Speaker 2: But say that doesn't happen, then Donald Trump would face

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Speaker 2: a very difficult road to the presidency, and in that case,

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Speaker 2: it could be possible that Nicky Haley takes out the

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Speaker 3: One of the really interesting moments of this race is

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Speaker 3: going to be if Nicki Haley continues this run, that

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Speaker 3: her and Donald Trump will have to be on the

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Speaker 3: same stage at some point. I mean, there is a

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Speaker 3: world when they don't face off in a Republican nomination debate.

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Speaker 3: It's likely if they're the top two that they will, and.

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Speaker 2: We haven't seen Donald Trump in those scenarios this election cycle.

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Speaker 3: But when the two of them come head to head,

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Speaker 3: that could be really interesting. We'll keep an eye on

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Speaker 3: Nikki Haley, Donald Trump, Ron Decantist, and indeed the entire

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Speaker 3: United States of America in what is a huge year

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Speaker 3: for the country and the world. That's all we've got

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Speaker 3: time for on today's episode of The Daily Oz. We'll

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Speaker 3: be back again on Monday morning. Until then, have a

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Speaker 3: great weekend.