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Speaker 2: the show. And I always find in regards to relationships,

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Speaker 2: like where where am I really so kind of feeling

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Speaker 2: like a victim? Like where am I hate again? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: like you said, like showing up in these kind of

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Speaker 2: bigger triggered ways, But also where am I feeling like, oh,

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Speaker 2: poor me and very much like this person has done

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Speaker 2: for me has come up.

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Speaker 1: Yes, totally, that's a really common, very common relationship reaction,

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Speaker 1: I would say, is going into victim? You know that

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Speaker 1: really is. And in the book I do detail because

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Speaker 1: it's so important to because because relationships are so complicated

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Speaker 1: and so glopy, you know, I think the word I

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Speaker 1: use in the book, or the phrase I using the

480
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Speaker 1: book is it's like a muddy pain. It's just really

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Speaker 1: glopy and sticky and confusing. It can all just feel

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Speaker 1: a bit much. And that's especially true if you have

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Speaker 1: any kind of relational trauma from childhood. That's it's going

484
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Speaker 1: to feel especially difficult, especially can using. So it was

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Speaker 1: really important to me to kind of pull it apart.

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Speaker 1: So I list all, or as many as I could,

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Speaker 1: the main ones that I've seen that the relationship triggers,

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Speaker 1: so the things that can trigger us, and I also

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Speaker 1: list the reactions that I've seen or personally experienced, you know,

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Speaker 1: And I think that allows people to find some clarity,

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Speaker 1: which is really what the book is all about, and

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Speaker 1: what my work is all about is helping people pull

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Speaker 1: it apart, which in itself that insight and awareness it's

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Speaker 1: really healing.

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Speaker 2: Huge, huge, And so let's go on to health because

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Speaker 2: this was so interesting to me. So you're saying, you know,

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Speaker 2: our traumas can show up in our health. Can you

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Speaker 2: kind of explain to us how they can sharpen our

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Speaker 2: physical health?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I've got to be honest, that is so

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Speaker 1: broad that it's hard for me to give a really.

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Speaker 2: What about with our relationship with food? Because this is

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Speaker 2: something that I have had with my past.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, isn't it so common? You know? And the

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Speaker 1: reason I do that so so the so the chapter

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Speaker 1: is all about how trauma affects our health, and I

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Speaker 1: detail how it affects our coping mechanisms, in particular food

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Speaker 1: and alcohol. And the reason I do that is because

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Speaker 1: so many of us, you know, thinking of food, now,

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Speaker 1: so many of us do you have a difficult relationship

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Speaker 1: with food, And I'm picking that apart in the context

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Speaker 1: of trauma and explaining why that happens. Really, because food

513
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Speaker 1: is about comfort, right, you know, it's it's and in

514
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Speaker 1: its and in its most innocent form, it's extremely joyful.

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Speaker 1: It's coming in on a cold day having a hot

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Speaker 1: bowl of soup. You know, you may be a bit hungry.

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Speaker 1: It's a comforting thing. But because it's comforting if we

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Speaker 1: have trauma, so if we carry trauma and we're experiencing

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Speaker 1: often experiencing these kind of overwhelming triggered reactions, we can

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Speaker 1: end up reaching for that comfort in more of a

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Speaker 1: dysfunctional way, as so many of us do. I mean, really,

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Speaker 1: I would say it's one of the main coping you know, dysfunctional,

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Speaker 1: disempowering coping mechanisms that I encounter on a daily basis

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Speaker 1: with people. So so I just knew that had to

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Speaker 1: be in there and had to be explaining what that's

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Speaker 1: about and you know a little bit about kind of

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Speaker 1: how we can move through it.

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Speaker 2: So you're saying these, you know, these relationship with foods,

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Speaker 2: with alcohol and those sorts of things can actually be

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Speaker 2: from a pass trauma or almost like a crutch that.

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Speaker 1: You know very often, you know, one of the one

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Speaker 1: of the questions people ask me the most, really it's

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Speaker 1: just as so often is but how do I know?

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Speaker 1: Like what are the main signs? And the one that

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Speaker 1: I always say is the biggest red flag is if

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Speaker 1: people are using compulsive avoidant coping mechanisms. You know, for me, honestly,

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Speaker 1: I would go as far to say that I have

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Speaker 1: never worked with anyone who hasn't in some way or another,

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Speaker 1: developed some kind of avoidant coping. And you know, that

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Speaker 1: might look like obsessively working. You know, that might be

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Speaker 1: you know, another word that would be workholism. But it

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Speaker 1: could be obsessively thinking about your projects and you and

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Speaker 1: your work. It could be distracting yourself with your phone,

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Speaker 1: It could be compulsive eating, it could be compulsive busyness.

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Speaker 1: I see that so often, this kind of tidying the house,

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Speaker 1: running from appointment to appointment. You know, anything that is

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Speaker 1: pushing our feelings away from us is avoidant coping. You know,

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Speaker 1: we're avoiding the cape, We're avoiding the feeling as a

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Speaker 1: way to cope because it feels too much, so we

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Speaker 1: just run from it. And actually that keeps us stuck

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Speaker 1: in the cycle of reactions, because really what we need

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Speaker 1: to do is move towards our feelings to release them.

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Speaker 2: So interesting, So I know you also in the book

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Speaker 2: you chat about, you know, how the trauma can affect

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Speaker 2: our education, our finances, our work, and you know, it's

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Speaker 2: much like what you kind of just went into them.

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Speaker 2: But something that you just said, which I really want

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Speaker 2: to chat about, is breaking the trauma loop. So, like

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Speaker 2: you said, it's almost like we are unaware. We're just

560
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Speaker 2: you know, we're getting triggered or we're addicted, we're using

561
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Speaker 2: things as a crutch, and I guess because it feels

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Speaker 2: like what we've always done. I think it can be

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Speaker 2: sometimes super hard to even be aware. But you know,

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Speaker 2: that's what's so great about the middle section of this

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Speaker 2: book is we're like having light bulb moments and we're like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 2: so this is interesting, But then how do we break

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Speaker 2: the trauma loop? So this is a very exciting part

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Speaker 2: of the book for me because, like I said, I

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Speaker 2: love I love self development. I love getting into, you know,

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Speaker 2: the actual how aspect, and I very much see this

571
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Speaker 2: podcast as giving the audience actionable tools. So can you

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Speaker 2: kind of get into the how to break the trauma

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Speaker 2: loop and that side of things?

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Speaker 1: Yes, I would love to talk about that, and there

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Speaker 1: are so many different ways that we can do it,

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Speaker 1: you know. And in the book, I include seven tools

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Speaker 1: and they are all designed to help us break the

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Speaker 1: cycles that we're trapped in. Because the thing that your

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Speaker 1: listeners should know is that these traumatic reactions happen in

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Speaker 1: a kind of cycle. So initially you're triggered, and then

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Speaker 1: you experience the kind of physical and emotional reaction, and

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Speaker 1: then very quickly it's followed by a cognitive reaction. So

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Speaker 1: that will show up in your beliefs and your thinking,

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Speaker 1: so like negative spiraling thinking or those old beliefs that

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Speaker 1: we were talking about, and then almost always it's going

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Speaker 1: to sharpen your behavior and most often, like I said,

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Speaker 1: that's a kind of avoidant coping. So my whole philosophy

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Speaker 1: is around, you know, figuring out ways to get out

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Speaker 1: of that loop. And there are so many different ways

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Speaker 1: to do it. Want you know, I did just just

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Speaker 1: mention really one of the best ways to do it

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Speaker 1: is to learn to and it's so hard, it's so

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Speaker 1: simple and so hard, but to learn to be with

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Speaker 1: our feelings instead of running from them, because we become

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Speaker 1: trapped in these cycles. If you think about it, that

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00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: behavioral push to push away our feelings is then keeping

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Speaker 1: us trapped in the pattern and in the cycle. So

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Speaker 1: we need to a simple way of doing that is

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Speaker 1: to be with our feelings. So that can be as

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Speaker 1: simple as you know, when you realize that you're feeling shame,

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Speaker 1: or you're feeling anxiety, if you're feeling afraid, whatever it

602
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Speaker 1: might be, or you say you realize your thoughts are spiraling,

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00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 1: or all those old beliefs have been triggered, just pausing.

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Speaker 1: And I know that sounds like maddeningly simple, But what

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00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: we have been taught and conditioned to do is to run.

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Speaker 1: So we feel it, like we'll notice in a kind

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Speaker 1: of half way, and then we run from it, we

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Speaker 1: get on with the day. We you know, we clean something,

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Speaker 1: we get on with work, we look at our phone,

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Speaker 1: whatever it might be, we go and eat something. And

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Speaker 1: actually the healing piece there is to pause and acknowledge

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Speaker 1: how you're feeling. And it's such a powerful thing to

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Speaker 1: do because healing from trauma is all about strengthening the

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Speaker 1: mind body connection. So what's going on is we kind

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Speaker 1: of cognitively or consciously notice something in our body, because

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Speaker 1: that's where our feelings are experienced, right, They're in our body.

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Speaker 1: So we'll notice that we're feeling a little bit ashamed

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Speaker 1: or we're feeling anxious, and we immediately pull up an

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Speaker 1: out of it. And what we need to do is

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Speaker 1: come back down into it and so notice what's going on,

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Speaker 1: but cognitively acknowledge it. So say to ourselves, I've been triggered,

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Speaker 1: I'm feeling really ashamed, or I've been triggered, I'm feeling

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Speaker 1: really anxious, or whatever it might be, I've been triggered,

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Speaker 1: I'm feeling really angry. And then so kind of pulling

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Speaker 1: the mind body together by then allowing the feeling and

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Speaker 1: just noticing what's going on in your body. So, oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, my jaw is really tense, I've got a

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Speaker 1: you know, I've got a pain or tension in the

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Speaker 1: back of my neck. My shoulders are really tight, my

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Speaker 1: heart's be beating. And the more we do it, the

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Speaker 1: more we can be with our body. It's fascinating, it

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Speaker 1: really is. When you start working this way and actually,

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Speaker 1: and this doesn't have to take long. I'm not saying, like,

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Speaker 1: take an hour out of your day to just sit

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Speaker 1: and feel your feelings. I'm saying, when you notice an uncomfortable,

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Speaker 1: negative feeling, just pause, acknowledge it in your mind, and

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Speaker 1: just notice where it is in your body, you know,

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Speaker 1: And that is one of the simplest and quickest ways

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Speaker 1: to kind of step out of the trauma loop because

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Speaker 1: allowing our feelings to be and do what they need

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Speaker 1: to do, it helps them resolve. Because what you're also

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00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: going to realize is when you're with that feeling, you

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Speaker 1: might realize that your eyes are prickling and you need

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Speaker 1: to cry and you've got to let yourself. Or you

645
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: might realize that you have a ton of pressure in

646
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: your arms you feel like you want to punch, so

647
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: you punch the air. It's also the kind of resolution

648
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: piece of it is allowing your body to do what

649
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: it needs to do. Maybe it needs to shout, maybe

650
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, maybe it needs to cry,

651
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: maybe it needs to make a call, like maybe you

652
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 1: just know you need to speak to someone. But it's

653
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: kind of understanding that feelings have a beginning, middle, and

654
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: end if we allow them to and see it through,

655
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: see the rise and fall of it, like the bell

656
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: curve of it. But it's so simple, and I get

657
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: that it sounds so simple, but I've been practicing this

658
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: for probably I would say, seventeen eighteen years, and still

659
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,240
Speaker 1: there are times when I can't do it, when instead

660
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: of pausing and just being with my feelings, I run

661
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: from them. So it's simple, but it's difficult. But it

662
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: comes with practice, it really does. Like the more you

663
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: do it, the better at it we get. And it's

664
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 1: a really exciting journey, Like it's a really exciting way

665
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: to walk because it's also about embodiment. It's about reconnecting

666
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: to your body and your authentic self.

667
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 2: I absolutely love it, and I love that you said

668
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: it sounds simple, but it's so powerful because it's so true.

669
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 2: I remember doing some work where I realized I was

670
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: just so disconnected from my feelings. And you know, my

671
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 2: psychologist would ask, so, how do you feel? And I

672
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 2: used to give her a word that it wasn't a feeling,

673
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 2: it was a logical thought. And it's almost like I

674
00:39:55,280 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 2: had trouble articulating feelings because I would never feel them.

675
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 2: I would push them away, and then that manifested in

676
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 2: anxiety like a workaholic, that sort of side of things too.

677
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 2: And I noticed such a huge difference when you actually

678
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:19,240
Speaker 2: just feel your feelings. And for me, it felt almost

679
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 2: like painful and very much like shameful to feel feelings,

680
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 2: so I wouldn't do it and I would push it down.

681
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 2: But when I started actually feeling the feelings and doing

682
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 2: what you're saying now, Sarah is, I realized it wasn't

683
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 2: that bad, and I was like, oh okay. Like once

684
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 2: I had done the process and like you said, pause

685
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,439
Speaker 2: felt the feeling and it left, I was like, oh wow,

686
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 2: I don't actually have to keep all these feelings bottled up.

687
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 1: I so appreciate you sharing that, and you articulated it

688
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: so beautifully because and I would say, you know, from

689
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: where I'm standing, your experience of not being able to

690
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: feel your feelings from feeling detached from your body. You know,

691
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 1: they are all signs of relational trauma. So no matter

692
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: how perfect I'm doing like air quotes now, no matter

693
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: how perfect our childhood was, we can all experience you know,

694
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: we can all experience this, that, this, and many of

695
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: us do you know what you've described, There are common

696
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: symptoms of relational trauma of not being able to kind

697
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: of be with our with our feelings, and that very

698
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: often happens because of our experiences in childhood and not

699
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: having our feelings validated.

700
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And also what I did find after really

701
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 2: being aware aware of this, and for me it's always

702
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: awareness comes first, and then I can kind of get

703
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 2: into you know, past traumas and helping and breaking the

704
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 2: loop and whatnot, is once that I actually started feeling

705
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 2: the feelings. So something I used to talk to my

706
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 2: psychologists about was I never because I never kind of

707
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 2: like felt my feelings whole. It's almost like life felt

708
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 2: a bit. I'm trying to articulate the world, like I

709
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: don't want to say mundane, almost like like colorless, if

710
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 2: that makes sense, and it's like something really amazing would

711
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 2: happen and I'd be like, oh yeah, cool, something really

712
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 2: bad would happen and I'd be like, oh, yeah, I

713
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 2: could deal with this. So it's like I had this

714
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 2: coping mechanism of yeah, not feeling my feelings, but then

715
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: you know, I couldn't feel that super joyful feeling. And

716
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 2: so once I started feeling the feelings, connecting with my

717
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 2: feelings and really connecting with my body, is I could, really,

718
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 2: I guess, receive happiness, receive love, receive you know, those feelings,

719
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 2: and life got a lot better.

720
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I've got nothing to add to that because you

721
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: just described it so beautifully. You know that that is

722
00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: exactly the problem is when we deny, if if we

723
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: deny any feeling, we deny all of them. There is

724
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: no middle ground there. You have to allow them all

725
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,439
Speaker 1: or else you do end up in this very kind

726
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: of it's almost like everything has been dialed down. Yes,

727
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: and that's very very very common.

728
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's like, yeah, would you rather you know,

729
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 2: not feel the highs and lows or would you rather just

730
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 2: feel that kind of in the middle stage all the time.

731
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 2: And I just realized I could, you know, I had

732
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 2: lived my life for like that's for so long that

733
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 2: I was like, no, I want to feel the highs

734
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 2: and I want to feel the lows. So that was

735
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: a huge breakthrough. And I think that's also me just

736
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 2: explaining to the audience too for you R and c

737
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 2: F them is you know, if you ask someone who

738
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 2: you do feel a bit disconnected to your feelings and

739
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 2: stuff happens and you almost feel like you can't receive

740
00:43:55,640 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 2: the love, receive the joy, or even the bad feelings,

741
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 2: it's definitely a sign that you're a bit to get

742
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:03,919
Speaker 2: disconnected in that way.

743
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely a sign you're disconnected. And I would be

744
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: using the language of trauma, you know, then I would

745
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,919
Speaker 1: be I would be explaining that, you know, very it's

746
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: very feasible that there's some older relational trauma there and

747
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: that that's okay. You know, the whole point of the

748
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: book is that we've all experienced trauma, that we've all

749
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 1: experienced the traumatic reaction in one way or another. We

750
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: all carry it. So when I say, you know, well,

751
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: you know, do any of the listeners who are that

752
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 1: could be trauma, I'm saying, yeah, you and the rest

753
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 1: of us, you know, it's okay, It really is okay.

754
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: It's a common protective reaction, and the best thing we

755
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 1: can do is acknowledge it and call it what it is.

756
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: You know, just call it what it is, and and

757
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: you will begin to heal. You know, as you learn

758
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: about it, you will begin to heal.

759
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 2: And so Sarah, to finish off the interview, I want

760
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 2: to chat about your tools in the book. So, guys,

761
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 2: Sarah's got a chapter that is literally called the Tools,

762
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 2: where she gives you I think there's seven yes that correct? Right? Yeah, yes,

763
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 2: so seven tools, which I loved reading because it's kind

764
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 2: of like, you know, you can pick the ones that

765
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 2: resonate with you. Our bit to finish, Sarah, I was

766
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,919
Speaker 2: wondering if you can go in and explain tool one

767
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 2: because that was definitely my favorite because it's got a

768
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 2: bit of spiritualness in it, a bit of woo woo,

769
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 2: which is down my alley. And then guys, make sure

770
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 2: you go read the book for other other tools.

771
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: Great. So setting you in tool one, setting your intentions

772
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,280
Speaker 1: in your path? Is that the one that you loved?

773
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:43,959
Speaker 2: Yes?

774
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm so happy that you asked for me to

775
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: talk about that. So this is all I'm going to look.

776
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 1: I'm going to open the book and have a liks

777
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: so I can find the actual questions so I can

778
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: read them out. So this is it's part practical and

779
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: as you said, part spiritual, which the book is. You

780
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: know that I would say it spans both of those.

781
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: It was really important to me because I'm authentically both

782
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: of those things. You know, I'm a researcher, but I'm

783
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: also very very spiritual, and it's been a really important

784
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: part of my healing journey. So the tools I really

785
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: wanted to be able to incorporate both, and as the

786
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: whole book does. So this is part practical and part spiritual,

787
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: and it's really about encouraging people to build a clear

788
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 1: vision for themselves. Because what I've found personally and professionally,

789
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: because this is a tool I use when I work

790
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: with people, or you know, a version of it is

791
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 1: if we're going to break free from old cycles, if

792
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: we don't know what we're stepping into, we can feel

793
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: really unsafe. So I always encourage people to create a

794
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: vision and engage with their purpose and their you know,

795
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: and engage with what they're seeking before they begin the work,

796
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: because it's just it's almost like it gives you a

797
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: structure and a sense of safety that when we're in

798
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 1: this zone so when we're talking about trauma and doing

799
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: this kind of work is really really important. So it's

800
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: a really important tool. That's what I would say to people.

801
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: So the questions are, so I've said, what are you

802
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: seeking in your relationships? What are you seeking in your

803
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: health and well being? What are you seeking in your work?

804
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: And when you picture your life a year from now,

805
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: what do you want it to look like? So that

806
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: idea of seeking is really important to me in the

807
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:42,439
Speaker 1: work that I do. And I think there's something about

808
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: the word that just helps people kind of key into

809
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: or access on a deeper level when we talk about

810
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: what you're seeking, what you're I don't know that there's

811
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: a deeper spirituality the word than the media saying what

812
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: do you want? You know, what are you're seeking? It's

813
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: kind of a reaching for something that we need, that

814
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 1: we instinctively know. So they're the questions that we use

815
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: and what we do from those, So you're right as

816
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: much as you would want on those. And then I

817
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 1: really encourage people to take their answers and translate them

818
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: into daily intentions, which I think are so important. I

819
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: think it's really important that we're all using intentions. And

820
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: I know that also probably all sounds a bit Gabby Bernstein,

821
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: but they work. There is so much evidence to show

822
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 1: that they work. I am really into I've done a

823
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,879
Speaker 1: lot of kind of training and research into the subconscious

824
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: and how it plays out in our beliefs on a

825
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: daily basis, and how we can break habits and patterns

826
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 1: and intentions are really powerful, you know. So from those,

827
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,760
Speaker 1: so say you know, what are you seeking in your relationships?

828
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: Once you've got that answer, you would then pull from

829
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: that intentions, which is it is a bit of a

830
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,919
Speaker 1: tricky practice that they there can be hard to initially set,

831
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: but you the more you practice them, the more you

832
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: get familiar with the wording. So so for example, what

833
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: here we go? So here I've written, So for example,

834
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: so you wrote, I'm seeking deeper emotional connection in my

835
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: closest relationships. So your intention then would be so my

836
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: intention is to be more honest and open about how

837
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,959
Speaker 1: I'm feeling. So you see, there's the seeking piece first,

838
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: and then we translate it into an intention, and then

839
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: from that I really encourage people to to create affirmations

840
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: because we set the intention in the morning, but then

841
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 1: during the day I use affirmations to queue in and

842
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 1: remind me of where I'm headed. Because remember we've set

843
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: the we've we've did the seeking weight work first, so

844
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: we know that that that's coming from a really deep

845
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: place within us. So on a daily basis, we need

846
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,280
Speaker 1: to find ways to remind us of where we're headed.

847
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 1: And affirmations work so beautifully. So take that intention of

848
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: my intention is to be more honest and open about

849
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: how I'm feeling. To support the intention, you could use

850
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,919
Speaker 1: an affirmation like I'm deeply connected to those I love,

851
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: or it's safe to be open about my feelings, or

852
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 1: I state my feelings honestly. So they're just smaller affirmations

853
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: that you can use during the day that keep you

854
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: on the right path, one that's come from a deep,

855
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: a deeper place within you that's connected to your purpose.

856
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 2: I love that, and I love the last bit of

857
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 2: that tool you wrote. You know what the worst thing

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Speaker 2: is about trauma? It keeps us focused on the past,

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Speaker 2: so then our future ends up being a carbon copy

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Speaker 2: of what happened before. To change, we gently remind ourselves

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Speaker 2: to refocus on what we want. So what do you want? Ah?

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 1: I'm so pleased you like to I love it too.

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Speaker 1: It's just so empowered and it's just so important with

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Speaker 1: this work because I find that the trauma space often

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Speaker 1: is very very heavy, you know, and I understand why,

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Speaker 1: of course it is, but I think because because of that,

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Speaker 1: so because there's so much or can be so much

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Speaker 1: deep healing and processing going on, I feel like that

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Speaker 1: often the lighter empowerment piece is missing. So it was

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Speaker 1: really really important to me to pull those two, those

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Speaker 1: two spaces together so as we heal, we can also

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Speaker 1: empower ourselves. And it's really critical that we do.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And yeah, I resonate with that so much.

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Speaker 2: Out well, thank you so much, Sarah. You have been

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Speaker 2: such a light and it's just so yes, so many

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Speaker 2: like aha moments, and I absolutely loved how you explained everything,

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Speaker 2: and I really appreciate your time on coming up coming

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Speaker 2: on the podcast and it's.

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Speaker 1: Been such a wonderful chat. So are they were amazing

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Speaker 1: amazing questions and oh I'm just a big fan, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's been great.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Sarah. And can you let the audience

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Speaker 2: know You've already let them know where they can find

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Speaker 2: the book, so I will link that, but where can

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Speaker 2: they find you? And follow you.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm everywhere. Really, you can't. You can't escape me.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. I've got a website which is

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Speaker 1: ww dot Sarah Woodhouse dot com, and I'm on Instagram

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Speaker 1: and Facebook. I'm at the Sarah Woodhouse and on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: I'm sn Underscore Woodhouse and I would love to connect. Ah.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Sarah, Thank you, thank you for listening

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Speaker 2: for another RNC episode. I really appreciate taking the time

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Speaker 2: to be here with me, and also for taking the

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Speaker 2: time for yourself. If you found this episode helpful, it

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Speaker 2: would be so amazing if you shared it on your

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Speaker 2: stories and tagged us, or simply just send it on

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Speaker 2: to a girlfriend or family member who would benefit from listening.

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Speaker 2: We are an independent podcast run by me and my

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Speaker 2: amazing podcast manager, so it would mean the world to

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Speaker 2: us if you left a review on the Apple podcast app. Also,

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Speaker 2: if you're vibing this podcast and the concepts we're chatting

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Speaker 2: about and your craving community, please come and join us

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Speaker 2: be in there to chat to you. Until next time.