1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: Bunjelung Caalcutin woman from Gadighal Country. The Daily oz acknowledges 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,239 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: Strait Island and nations. We pay our respects to the 6 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: first peoples of these countries, both past and present. 7 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 2: Ready, ready, good morning, and welcome to the Daily os. 8 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 2: It's Tuesday, the twenty third of August. 9 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 3: I'm Zara, I'm Sam. 10 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 2: A disagreement over same sex marriage has led to a 11 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 2: group breaking away from the Anglican Church. Now we're going 12 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 2: to look at who they are and what exactly has happened. 13 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 2: But first Sam, what is making headlines today? 14 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 3: Prime Minister Anthony Alberizi will today release the legal advice 15 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 3: he's received from the Solicitor General on Scott Marson's secret 16 00:00:55,680 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 3: ministry appointments. Albernizi requested the advice last week, following us 17 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 3: that Morrison appointed himself to five secret portfolios in twenty 18 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 3: twenty and twenty twenty one while he was Prime Minister. 19 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 2: The Prime Minister of Singapore has announced the country will 20 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 2: decriminalize sex between men. This was announced during a television 21 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 2: address on Sunday. However, Prime Minister Lee also confirmed that 22 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 2: Singapore will keep its ban on same sex marriage. 23 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 3: A Code Brown has been declared for the Northern Territori's 24 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 3: health facilities after a fire in the Darwin Warehouse destroyed 25 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 3: thirty million dollars worth of medical supplies. Chief Minister Natasha 26 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 3: Philes said it was quote business as usual in the 27 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 3: Anti's hospitals, but operations could be impacted in the coming days. 28 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 2: And in some good news. Celebrations to mark the one 29 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 2: hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the completion of the overland 30 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 2: telegraph line, which linked Adelaide with Darwin, have begun. It 31 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 2: was seen as one of Australia's greatest engineering accomplishments at 32 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 2: the time, and Northern Territory Heritage Minister Chancey Paike said 33 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 2: it shaped the economic and social prosperity of the NT 34 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 2: and reformed Australia by breaking its isolation from the rest 35 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 2: of the world. Okay, so a new church started in 36 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 2: Australia last week. It's called the Diocese of the Southern 37 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 2: Cross and we're just going to call it the DSc 38 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 2: for short, and it believes that marriage should only be 39 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 2: between a man and a woman. It was formed in 40 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 2: October of last year by three former senior members of 41 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 2: the Anglican Church and while it still practices Anglicanism, it 42 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 2: operates completely independently. 43 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 3: Can we just pause for a sec and explain what 44 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 3: a diocese is? 45 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, good idea. So it's a collection of churches overseen 46 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 2: by a bishop. It's kind of like, if we're thinking 47 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 2: in political terms, like an electorate, a way of grouping 48 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 2: a region of churches together under a leader. So in Australia, 49 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,839 Speaker 2: the Anglican Church is made up of twenty three dioceses, 50 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,679 Speaker 2: each with their own leader or bishop. So what the 51 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 2: YESC is saying is they are forming their own group 52 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 2: with their own bishop. 53 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 3: Why did the DSc breakaway. 54 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 2: Well, the breakaway group was launched because the Anglican Church 55 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 2: couldn't reach a consensus on same sex marriage. Some branches 56 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 2: of the church have been open to blessing same sex 57 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 2: marriages in the past, while others haven't, and this has 58 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 2: caused tension within the Australian Anglican Church. In May of 59 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 2: this year, there was a synod which is a big 60 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,839 Speaker 2: meaning of the Australian leadership of the Anglican Church, kind 61 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 2: of like a meeting of Parliament. I need to stop 62 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: equating things to politics. 63 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 3: It's helping, okay. 64 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 2: But synods normally happen around every three years. This is 65 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 2: the first one that's occurred since the plebiscite on same 66 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 2: sex marriage in twenty seventeen. And at this meeting, the 67 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 2: Archbishop of Sydney, so the leader of all the bishops 68 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 2: in the Greater Sydney area, he tabled a rule that 69 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 2: marriage between a same sex couple is contrary to the 70 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 2: teachings of Christ. 71 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 3: So the Archbishop, and for the purposes of your analogy, 72 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 3: let's call him the Mayor of Signy indulging me. Then 73 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 3: he was trying to reach consensus that the Anglican Church 74 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 3: in Australia was opposed to same sex marriage. 75 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, but that actually failed, meaning the Australian Anglican Church 76 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 2: can continue to bless same sex marriages. But something important 77 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 2: to note here is that despite the fact that the 78 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 2: motion failed, it doesn't actually mean that there wasn't widespread 79 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 2: opposition to same sex marriage in the church. So the 80 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,559 Speaker 2: majority actually did oppose same sex marriage, but their vote 81 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 2: was overruled by the bishops who hold veto power. Kanishka Raffle, 82 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,799 Speaker 2: the Archbishop of Sydney, said that the decision to veto 83 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 2: this statement quote left us in a perilous position, and 84 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 2: he said that he deeply regrets the outcome. 85 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 3: And how does this compare to decisions made by the 86 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 3: rest of the world. 87 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 2: On same sex marriage. 88 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 89 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 2: So, in nineteen ninety eight, Anglican bishops from around the 90 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 2: world agreed on a resolution that marriage was only between 91 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 2: a man and a woman and that while the Church 92 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 2: extended God's love to them, quote, homosexual practice is incompatible 93 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 2: with scripture and they could not advise the legitimizing or 94 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 2: blessing of same sex unions. This month, at this year's 95 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 2: All Bishop's Meeting, the Archbishop of Canterbury kind of like 96 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 2: the Anglican Pope, reaffirmed that statement and said while it 97 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 2: wasn't in doubt, he wouldn't discipline churches that do conduct 98 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 2: same sex marriages. So basically it's not like the church 99 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 2: was endorsing these same sex marriages, but they weren't going 100 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 2: to take action against churches that chose to bless these marriages. 101 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 3: And back in an Australian context. What have Anglican leaders 102 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 3: said about this? 103 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 2: Well, the most senior archbishop of the Australian Anglican Church, 104 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 2: his name is Jeffrey Smith. He said in a statement 105 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 2: on Thursday that the launch of this new breakaway group 106 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 2: would cause unfortunate confusion within the Anglican Church. He also 107 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 2: said that the launch of the breakaway church was perplexing because, 108 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 2: like I said a bit earlier, although the General Synod 109 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 2: in May didn't pass the vote against same sex marriage, 110 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 2: it showed the majority actually wanted to end the practice. 111 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 3: And we've talked a lot about the into national contexts, 112 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 3: the Australian contexts, the intricacies of the church, but I 113 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 3: really want to know how this all impacts the actual 114 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 3: people we're talking about here, which is LGBTQI plus Anglicans. 115 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 2: Through the reporting of this story of the last couple 116 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 2: of weeks, and it certainly is a story that goes 117 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 2: beyond just the immediate. It's been unfolding for months and 118 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 2: years and years. So two men at Saint Mary's Anglican 119 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 2: Church in Armadale, who had recently fallen in love, both 120 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 2: for the first time with other men, were told by 121 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 2: their local bishop in April of twenty twenty one to 122 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 2: end their relationship if they wanted to continue their involvement 123 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 2: with the church. Two men, Peter Sanders and Peter Grace, 124 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 2: were married in a non religious ceremony in twenty twenty. 125 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 2: When Peter Sanders, the church's organist and music director, was 126 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 2: told his role would not continue unless he divorced his husband, 127 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 2: the congregation was outraged. They launch legal proceedings after numerous 128 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 2: attempts at reconciliation with the bishop, and now The Australian 129 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 2: is reporting that the Bishop, Race and Sanders due to 130 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 2: attend a mediation with a new South Wales Anti discrimination 131 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 2: board next month. In a statement to The Sydney Morning Herald, 132 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 2: Paul Sanders said this is an important issue for every 133 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 2: Australian who has a gay child or a gay themselves. 134 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 2: We're being discriminated against by the church for being who 135 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: we were born to be. In January of this year, 136 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 2: Peter Grace and Peter Sanders traveled to Aubury where their 137 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,559 Speaker 2: marriage was blessed by a priest there, and the local 138 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 2: bishop said he wanted to restore hope and dignity to 139 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 2: all those who feel sidelined. 140 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us on the Daily OS today. If 141 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 3: you learn something new from this episode, why don't you 142 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 3: flick it to a friend where a new independent media 143 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 3: platform and word of mouth helps get it out there 144 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 3: that we're here in these chairs every day telling you 145 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 3: exactly what's going on in the world. We'll be back 146 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 3: again tomorrow. Until then, have a sensational day.