WEBVTT - Judgemental Mummy Bloggers, Celeb Spellcheck's Shameless Coverage & Chloe and Mitch Buy A House 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:03.200 This is Outspoken the podcast. It's not afraid to say 0:00:03.400 --> 0:00:06.680 exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kate and 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:10.600 Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:15.720 identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:20.680 all things reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues facing women. 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:29.240 That is so fat, thank you. There's a rather somber 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:31.520 mood in the room at the moment because we've all 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:35.199 just discovered that we're old and basically have hated So 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:37.199 for those who don't know what we're talking about, there 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:40.400 is a meme that's gone viral today and it's depicting 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:43.919 a twenty eight year old who's basically not cool anymore 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:46.920 because she's wearing skinny jeans that are ripped and she's 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:50.120 got a side part. Yeah, so the meme says anatomy 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:53.559 of an old person. Aging millennials are characterized by their 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:56.960 love of things like side parts, skinny jeans, wine, and 0:00:57.000 --> 0:01:00.960 the laughing cry emoji. Many millennials like this one in 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:04.280 a state of discomfort regarding their proximity to middle aged 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:07.760 I personally feel victimized by this because I have somewhat 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:10.080 of a side part. I wear skinny jeans and I 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:12.880 use that crying with laughter emoji. What are the time? 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:15.200 What do we meant to use besides that, you're actually 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:18.480 supposed to apparently use the skeleton emoji, and it was 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:21.000 a skull the skull, sorry, the skull, like they don't 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:22.320 even know which one it is? Is that because you 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:26.240 meant to be like dead like laughter? Is that? Yes? 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:29.640 Oh my gosh. I'm really confused about the gene thing 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:33.360 because I do remember going through a stage where flares 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:35.880 were in briefly and then it was like the low 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:38.280 rise skinny jeans and now it's like the high waisted 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:40.920 and I thought they were still in fashion because I 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:44.039 do know the baggiar gene is also an option. But 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:49.160 apparently zoomers are laughing at US millennials for wearing skinny jeans. Well, 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:51.760 I did kind of pick up on a few influencers 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:53.960 who were in there who were about eighteen, early twenties, 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:56.120 and they were wearing the wide leg jeans and I 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:58.040 was like, oh, that must be a thing now, But 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:00.280 as you said, I didn't realize it's skinny jean were 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:02.800 out completely. Actually, now that you mention it, a young 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:05.480 girl at my work, she's always wearing baggier jeans, and like, 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:07.640 to be honest, I'm all about that, like if it's 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:11.120 more comfortable. However, those new sort of rigid mum jeans, 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:13.880 they're bloody uncomfortable. They are. Can I just say though? 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:16.799 Men don't understand that that's fashion because they actually look 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:19.320 terrible on people. I feel like they're really unflattering. So 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:22.359 they're laughing at us millennials now, but I feel like 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:24.440 when they're looking back at the photo albums or on 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:27.760 Instagram or whatever, they're gonna feel pretty stupid wearing those big, 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:30.320 baggy jeans. Well, I feel like with fashion, you've kind 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:32.480 of got to go with what looks good on you, 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:34.120 Like you've got to have a traditional thing. And I 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:37.200 think skinny jeans are always going to be traditionally in fashion, 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:39.440 Like you can't really go wrong with them. Well, they're 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:41.880 more flattering, aren't they. I mean when you wear those 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:45.080 baggy pants, there's always a weird ass, kind of a 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:46.880 big ass. Yeah, it's got a big ass. Like I 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:51.519 bought some boyfriend jeans the other day, and my boyfriend jeans, 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:55.240 know they I don't know, they're actually mum jeans are 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:59.520 not boyfriend jean jeans anyway, and Brandon hates them like he's, 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:01.679 oh yeah, to wear them, your skinny jeans look so 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:04.040 much nicer. Oh wow, I actually liked them. I think 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:06.320 they did look good, but were they uncomfortable? They are 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:09.120 uncomfortable the crutch there's this weird kind of like the 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:12.160 material is really hard or something, or too high or 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:14.400 it just made me feel really old reading all of this, 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:17.200 because I feel like it doesn't seem that long ago 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:18.840 when we were in our twenties, and I don't feel 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:21.600 like that there was this big focus on our generation 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:25.200 paying out the generation before us. I guess seems quite mean. 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:27.320 Some of the tweets so Mum and Mea did an 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:29.720 article about it, and some of the tweets like apparently 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:32.120 we're not even allowed to like Harry Potter or refer 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:35.160 to Harry Potter anymore. I think they're joking. Oh that 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:37.640 being said, I feel like we do tear down boomers 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:41.200 a lot, So yeah, that is true. The thing that 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:43.840 I found funny was the side part, because for years 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:46.360 I always wore a side part, and a couple of 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:48.280 the girls I used to work with or were trying 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:50.200 to tell me that I should wear a middle part 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:53.000 because it would make me look older. Is my part 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:55.240 still side or yeah, it's a bit of a side. 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:57.520 Is now I'm gonna have to start putting in the middle. 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:00.200 I think all of us millenniums have to fight back. 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:02.960 Let's save our skinny jeans. Let's start a petition or something. 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:05.200 Let's get something going in the group. I'll still be 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:07.040 wearing mine. But do you know what, it's quite an 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:09.560 effort to wear skinny jeans at the moment after COVID 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:11.840 and everything. I just get around in leggings. Was that 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:12.360 a sight that? 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:12.600 Like? 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:14.480 Is that a sign that we're actually getting old now 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:16.360 that we don't even want to wear skinny jeans because 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:18.719 I feel like I'm dressed up if I wear skinny jeans. 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:21.400 But what I don't get is active were still in fashion, 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:24.440 Like the tight leggings are still so what's the go 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:26.040 I don't get it. But how do you show off 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:28.240 your big Kim Kardashi in us in a pair of 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:31.760 those oversized pants? We just established everyone's ass looks big 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:35.160 in those hands. That's what I want one of your 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:40.839 aunts fet you too? Noway? Is that I'm thirsty? 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:41.960 I'm not just. 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:49.480 I'm not just they go away, go away, I'm blocking 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:52.320 you from the Facebook. Another week rolls around and there 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:55.800 is yet another mummy blogger dispute, this time between Lauren 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:58.720 de Boyce and smil to start ourself, Sophie. For those 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:01.280 who don't follow her, who is Lauren to Boyce? It 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:03.760 would have to be completely transparent. I had no idea 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:06.160 who she was before I saw her plastered all over 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:08.719 news dot com. Now she is a mummy blogger with 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:12.679 over fifty thousand followers on Instagram. She's actually a former 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:15.760 political journalist, which I found really interesting, particularly as we 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:19.480 delve deeper into this story. And appearance wise, she's bloody. 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:22.880 Kylie Minogue's twin Kylie Minogue is definitely her doppelganger. It's 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:26.960 actually quite freaky. Well, so what has pissed people off? Yeah? Well, 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:29.680 Laurence actually shared a series of sponsored posts on her 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:32.719 Instagram story where she's given the does and don'ts for 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:34.720 what mum should wear on school pickup and it had 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:37.120 a really weird, kind of mean girl vibe to it. 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:38.960 Why did she think that that was a good idea? 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:40.800 Because I feel like anything she put up would have 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:44.479 offended mums. Yeah, particularly when it seems like her dos 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:47.560 and donts weren't very relatable because for me, yes, I'm 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:49.719 not a mum, but I imagine I would be rocking 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:53.719 up in my trackie decks possibly pajamas at school drop offs. Yeah. 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:55.760 I feel like she did try to make it relatable 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:58.159 by talking about how it is something that she's felt 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:00.839 really stressed over in the past, and she's actually invested 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:03.640 a lot of time apparently in researching what is an 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:06.520 appropriate school pick up outfit, so she feels stressed. Yet 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:09.400 then she wants to shame other mums into buying expensive 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:11.880 clothing brands, like the brand that's paying her to promote 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:14.120 her clothes. That sounds fair. Yeah, would you guys want 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:16.560 to hear some of her tips? I definitely do well. 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:18.559 One of her the first tip is that mum should 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:21.880 wear casual but presentable outfits so it does appear as 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:24.239 though they put a small amount of energy into the outfit. 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:26.880 Oh my gosh, this is my least favorite dress code. 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:29.479 I really stress when someone says the dress code is 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:32.240 like smart casual, because what does that even mean? Like 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:34.200 for a guy, they can wear like chinos and a 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:36.360 nice top or something, but for girls. It's like, well, 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:39.160 we already discussed how you know how controversial jeans are 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:41.760 at the moment, I wouldn't even know what smart casual was. Yeah, 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:44.160 it's hilarious. So can you imagine men being like this 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:48.160 is the guide of what dads should wear? Give a shit? Well. 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:50.360 The thing that I found really disgusting about this comment 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:52.960 was though, that she said that in dressing in this way, 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:55.359 it'll allow parents to know that you're not living in 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:58.520 a dumpster. Wow gosh, wait, so if you don't dress 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:01.400 smart casual, apparently you're living in a jumpster. That is 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:04.640 so ridiculous because I really don't think people's clothes are 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:07.680 reflective of how clean or messy the house is. I mean, 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:09.960 we always roat Sophie for being a little bit messy 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:12.360 around the house when she was living with us, and 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:14.120 no one wonld be able to tell that was the 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:17.640 case because she presents in a pristine fashion, like, if anything, 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:19.720 Amy and I are the ones that did rock up 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:24.640 to her pr company's launching tracksuits. You know what, though, 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:27.760 maybe it's because people who dress in a daggy away. 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:30.000 Maybe it's because they spent more time on their house, 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:32.040 like getting that ready. Yeah, because I feel like with 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:35.280 active wear, it's now like a very productive outfit. You know, 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:37.280 you can clean your house, you can go out and 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:41.520 run errands, You're not necessarily exercising. Can I just say though? 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:44.160 With covid as well, I don'tink anyone's going dressed in 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:46.920 smart casual these days, so it seems like a really 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:49.800 ridiculous time to put something out like this. Well that's 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:52.600 the fain thing because I find the brand alignment with 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:55.920 Pedal and Pup, who is a brand that Lauren was promoting. 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:58.840 I find that strange because you would have thought promoting 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:00.640 what parents should wear to pick up their kids from 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:04.160 school would actually more align with a loungewear company or 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:06.960 someone selling dress. Well, I actually have seen a lot 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:09.360 of mummy bloggers promoting Pedal and Pup. I first saw 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:11.440 it pop up with an Adelaide influencer, and I was 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:14.360 really surprised because she did look incredibly dressed up just 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:16.280 to be around the house. I would have thought Pedal 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:19.040 and Pup would be more that younger, like twenty somethings. 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:21.400 I mean, maybe they've captured that audience and are looking 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:24.840 to branch out into thirty somethings. Well, yeah. Well some 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:26.680 of these outfits, though, I've got to go into them. 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:29.680 They were absolutely ludicrous to be wearing on school pickup. 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:33.160 There was this pink, really tight figure hugging dress that 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:36.280 is just so illogical to be wearing. How are you 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:38.880 dealing with kids in that dress? That to me is 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:41.240 so ridiculous because you know you've got to pick up 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:43.440 your kids, You've got to hold their backpack, and that 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:46.200 just is so impractical. All the other items were this 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:49.440 like spotty jumpsuit and a pink Maxi dress. It's like 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:52.280 if I was a mother and I saw someone rocking 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:53.960 up in that, I would think you have too much 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:56.480 time on your hands. Look, I think the maxi dress 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:59.600 is okay. The jumpsuit sounds weird. What about the moms 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:02.360 that have come from work, because, like you know, you 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:05.800 might be wearing a uniform. That is where there is 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:07.920 a bit of a distinction. I think in her rules 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:10.120 it's acceptable to come in your work gear, but if 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:12.000 you are a stay at home mum, you should make 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:13.880 a bit more of an effort just coming to get them. 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:15.920 So just come in your ball gown apparently, so it's 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:18.320 very like Stepford wife that you've got the time that 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:20.360 you know, that's a big outing for you to pick 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:22.319 your kid up from school. Well, the thing I find 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:24.720 quite contentious is she did touch on the fact that 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:28.160 she has never ever worn pajamas to school drop off. 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:30.200 And I think that a lot of mum should have 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:32.680 a badge Vinyl when they rock up in their pajamas, like, 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:35.040 good on them. Can I just play Devil's Advocate? Do 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:36.959 you think that she was taking the piss a bit 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:39.400 with this post and people have taken it too seriously? 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:41.560 I just I don't think so. I think she's just 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:43.640 totally missed the mark. I feel like it came across 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:47.080 as totally condescending and very mum shaming. I do feel 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:50.400 like with this whole Instagram trend of sharing, like mum 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:53.200 sharing their lives on Instagram, that there is this pursuit 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:55.360 of perfection because we see a lot of mummy bloggers 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:59.920 sharing their fancy pantries and they're perfected or sorry it's 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:03.960 fancy pants, no fancy pantries and all this sort of 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:06.680 amazing organizational stuff that they're doing at home. But I 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:09.319 feel like this is kind of an extension of that 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:13.280 Stepford wife profile of that they also look perfect It's 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:15.720 really strange to me because I'd never thought there would 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:19.480 be this sort of toxic vibe around mummy bloggers, Like 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:23.040 it just seems to be this weird community where everyone's 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:26.080 at each other's throat. Yeah. I suppose we're becoming more 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:28.240 aware of these women because we are in our thirties 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:30.760 now and the people that we follow in the pages 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:32.960 we follow are changing. But I mean, at the end 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:36.240 of the day, they're women, Like I'm sorry, but as 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:38.840 you get older, you realize that even when you're in 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:42.839 your thirties, you're not past bitchy out of behavior for sure. 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:44.440 So if you've got to run through some of the 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:47.800 backlash though, because what has the response been from people, Well, 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:49.679 there has been a lot of backlash about it, and 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:52.920 has been exacerbated by Smith. Now. We have spoken about 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:55.640 her on the podcast before. She is a single mum 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:59.720 who uses her platform to basically hold other mummy bloggers 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:02.079 to a count. She is also a feminist and she's 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:05.200 trying to smash down the patriarchy. I love her. She 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:07.480 is a bit of a shit stirr, but she keeps 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:10.400 things interesting and just for context s. Milth doesn't actually 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:12.800 like to use her name so it's not your name. Yes, 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:14.520 so it's meant to be a bit of a secret 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:16.280 as to what her real name is. Well, that was 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:20.679 before another mummy blogger, Sarah Kurns, decided to publicly name her. 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:22.880 But we discussed that on an earlier podcast, so we 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:25.280 won't get into that. But basically, it seems like there's 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:27.959 this big group of mummy bloggers that are very against 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:31.600 SMLK and so Sophie, what did Smith do? Well, she 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:36.840 alleged them Well, she has been accused of screenshotting these 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:39.560 stories and sending them into the Daily Mail. Now she 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:43.720 denies this, but Lauren has been saying that she she's 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:46.080 pretty sure that Smilth has done this because Lauren called 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:49.000 smelf out on her Instagram stories, didn't she? The thing is, 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:51.559 I don't actually think Smelth would have done it because 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:55.040 the Daily Mail are always trawling Instagram for stories and 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:57.920 all the story really was was saying what exactly had 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:00.640 gone down on an Insta story and then people reactions 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:02.800 in the comments. Yeah, and why would smelve contact a 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:05.400 Daily Mail journalists Because, not to be rude, but they're 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:07.600 not that trust Wheth. They could then completely turn the 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:10.320 story on smelf and make it this mummy war, which 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:12.600 has actually turned out to be. I think it's very 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.319 unfair of Lauren to name and shame SMILF when she 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:18.360 has absolutely no proof. I mean, let's be honest. Journalists 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:20.880 troul through the comments of influencers. Their job is to 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:23.640 make stories where there aren't a story, and they've obviously 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:25.240 done a great job with this because this has gone 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:28.559 off as someone working in PR the Daily Mail journeys 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:30.959 are really hard to get hold of, so unless Smilve 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:32.840 has a friend that's working there, I find it hard 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:37.120 to believe that they would immediately print something like that. Well, 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:39.719 as you touched on Kate, this story has just gone off. 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:43.079 It has appeared on Yahoo seven news dot com, even 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:46.120 in the Daily Telegraph, and because of this huge attention, 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:48.439 there has been a lot of hate thrown at Lauren. 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:51.600 So she has been receiving death threats, which could is 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:53.760 particularly troubling as a parent when you are putting your 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:55.960 children out online like that. So I do feel for 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:58.640 her with these sort of hateful comments that are coming here. 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:01.000 Who are the people that has send death threats? I 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:03.920 get being angry, but who is so angry that they're 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:07.120 actually threatening this woman's life. Probably people that were pajamas 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:10.240 I'm joking. Well, I'm guessing if people are sending in 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:13.240 death threats. The comments on her threat aren't too nice either. 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:15.800 What have people said publicly, Well, they've slammed her for 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:18.960 being judgmental and also a mean girl. One user wrote, 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:21.240 who gives a fuck what you were to school drop off? 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:23.880 If anyone is judging you, they're probably an asshole that 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:27.199 talks about women empowering women, but in online comments body 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:29.840 shames others for not being a size six. I also 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:33.040 found some comments from a school teacher particularly interesting. She 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:35.440 said that it's a tragic way of showing off a 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:38.920 sponsored brand by using emotional first time school mums to 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:41.440 make a few sales. And she went into the fact 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:44.199 that you know, it's good enough that parents are showing up, 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:46.040 you know, to be there with their kids. They don't 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:49.000 need this extra judgment and stress put on them. Well, 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:50.800 just on pedal and put What do you guys think 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:53.160 of their involvement in the whole saga. Well, I find 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:56.040 it interesting that they've made the decision to publicly drop 0:13:56.120 --> 0:14:00.040 Lauren from their brand, because, let's be honest, while the 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:02.640 influencer has some say in the campaign, the brand would 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:04.600 have had to sign off on it, so them completely 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:07.000 just distancing themselves is pretty bad. Well, they said that 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:09.480 they didn't support the campaign, It's like, as you said, 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:11.640 you clearly would have signed off on this. He gave 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:14.400 her the clothes to wear. Also, a lot of influencers 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:16.720 have to send in their Instagram stories that they film. 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:18.800 It's not like they just pump an Instagram story out 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:21.080 and press post like. There's a lot of processes that 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:24.680 they would go through. I mean, it is interesting to 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:27.920 see how Pedal and Pup actually use influencers moving forward, 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:30.560 because it seems like they have been targeting mummy bloggers. 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:32.640 But is it kind of good publicity for them because 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:34.960 everyone's talking about it. I mean, we're talking about Pedal 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:36.960 and Pup on our podcast. A lot of the news 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:39.080 articles actually didn't name Pedal and Pup. I don't know 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:41.000 if that's because they didn't want to be named. To 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:43.400 be honest, though, wouldn't have been a much better marketing 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:46.400 idea to promote Pedal and Pup's clothing as something to 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:49.280 wear out on the weekend or a girl's night not 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:52.640 to school. Well, I do find Lauren's response really interesting 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:54.680 because she put up an inst story where she was 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:57.880 like fully in tears on their you know, distraught about 0:14:57.920 --> 0:14:59.560 these death threats that she was sending through. So it 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:02.160 did seem like she was playing the victim a little 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:03.960 bit in this Oh this is what we see all 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:06.120 the time now, Like you could literally paint the picture. 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:08.760 Its like someone gets outraged by an influence of being 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:12.160 stupid with their platform, and then you que the tears 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:16.200 and the Instagram story and the victim, which then Teal deleted. 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:18.920 Oh yeah, I think that's what I don't get. If 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:21.000 you're going to put it out of apology, put it 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:23.400 on your bloody feed, or make it a highlight on 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:25.560 your store, keep it there. I mean, she didn't seem 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:27.680 too upset because a few hours later, she took a 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:29.880 photo of herself in a ball gown at the shot, 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:32.200 making a joke that she's on the way to school 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:35.240 pick up. Look see that that is actually funny, But 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:37.840 it's not funny when you've been playing the victim about 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:40.440 you know, two hours earlier. Yeah, but that's also not funny. 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:43.760 If you've apologized for being insensitive and trying to put 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:46.360 people down, then you're kind of putting shade on the 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:48.760 fact that you actually don't mean your apology at all. 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:51.400 I do find it interesting that she was begging these 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:53.600 media outlets to pull the story, and I suppose it 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:55.560 holds a little bit more weight because she was a 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:59.400 former political journalist, so she knows the way these people operate. Yeah, 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:01.680 but the way these operators, they're not going to pull 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:03.600 the story because obviously it was getting a lot of 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:05.680 clicks if she was getting a lot of people sending 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:07.600 hate to her page. But do you know what, Like, 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:11.040 obviously it's horrible getting trolled and hate towards your page, 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:14.280 but again, it also then brings attention onto you, and 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:18.800 the right clever influencers can actually exploit that negative attention 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:21.480 to be a positive. Well. Her commentary was really interesting 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:24.040 because she said, I'll never be what you want. I 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:26.200 can't be, I don't want to be. I'm not here 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:28.560 for you. I'm here for my people. I have no 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:30.680 obligation to be who you want me to be. You 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:33.560 are not my people. And I found this comment. You know, 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:38.800 it's pretty accurate. These influencers have such a dedicated, small 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:41.400 community of people who love them, and their comments seem 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:43.320 out of context when you just come into it. Yeah, 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:44.760 but it's not in them. That's what happens when you 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:47.520 get bigger, because people come along and they follow your 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:50.560 page and they don't really know you're in humor. They 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:53.360 only follow you because you've become popular. I do find 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:57.680 this notion of publications taking influencers comments out of context 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:00.760 and then posting them onto a really larger platform sort 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:03.600 of troubling. I feel like it's quite irresponsible in a way, 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:07.359 because they are obviously taking the most alarming comments and 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:09.840 kind of making them bigger than they are, and then 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:12.040 that's all some people read. Like some people just read 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:14.240 the headline and then get irate over it. So I 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:16.720 can see that sense that it seems a little bit unfair. 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:20.200 But I really don't agree with Lauren's responses to the feedback. 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:23.320 But the only thing really that there is to do 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:28.719 is to forgive and forget, So I really do. I 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:32.600 want to forgive you, and I want to forget you. 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:35.960 Let's get into the influencer rap and kick it off 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:39.280 with Shameless's take on celeb spellcheck. I was so excited 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:41.959 when this popped up in my podcast feed because for 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:44.520 a while now Shameless have been talking a lot about 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:49.080 American pop culture, which doesn't really interest me. However, the 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:51.160 fact that they were willing to talk about this big 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:54.520 story in Australia was quite exciting. Yeah. And the fact 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:57.439 is they've shied away from talking about Australian influences for 0:17:57.520 --> 0:17:59.960 so long. And of course the celeb spell check drama 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:03.320 involves a number of influencers who the girls are connected to, 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:06.440 like Steph Kleas Smith Well Olivia Rodgers was actually named 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:09.600 in the articles as being one of these attendees at 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:12.520 this sort of influencer function where they were talking about 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:15.720 unmasking the celeb spell check. Yeah, and this of course 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:18.760 was in the Sydney Confidential an article about unmasking celeb 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:21.359 spell check and was also picked up by Pedestrian TV. 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:23.560 I feel like there is a trend on them only 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:27.440 touching on topics once other media publications have done it. Oh, definitely, 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:30.199 especially with Pedestrian, Like if it's in Pedestrian, it's going 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:32.639 to be covered on Shameless. I thought the girls covered 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:35.399