Speaker 1: This is Outspoken the podcast. It's not afraid to say
Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kate and
Speaker 1: Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have
Speaker 1: identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers
Speaker 1: all things reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues facing women.
Speaker 1: That is so fat, thank you. There's a rather somber
Speaker 1: mood in the room at the moment because we've all
Speaker 1: just discovered that we're old and basically have hated So
Speaker 1: for those who don't know what we're talking about, there
Speaker 1: is a meme that's gone viral today and it's depicting
Speaker 1: a twenty eight year old who's basically not cool anymore
Speaker 1: because she's wearing skinny jeans that are ripped and she's
Speaker 1: got a side part. Yeah, so the meme says anatomy
Speaker 1: of an old person. Aging millennials are characterized by their
Speaker 1: love of things like side parts, skinny jeans, wine, and
Speaker 1: the laughing cry emoji. Many millennials like this one in
Speaker 1: a state of discomfort regarding their proximity to middle aged
Speaker 1: I personally feel victimized by this because I have somewhat
Speaker 1: of a side part. I wear skinny jeans and I
Speaker 1: use that crying with laughter emoji. What are the time?
Speaker 1: What do we meant to use besides that, you're actually
Speaker 1: supposed to apparently use the skeleton emoji, and it was
Speaker 1: a skull the skull, sorry, the skull, like they don't
Speaker 1: even know which one it is? Is that because you
Speaker 1: meant to be like dead like laughter? Is that? Yes?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I'm really confused about the gene thing
Speaker 1: because I do remember going through a stage where flares
Speaker 1: were in briefly and then it was like the low
Speaker 1: rise skinny jeans and now it's like the high waisted
Speaker 1: and I thought they were still in fashion because I
Speaker 1: do know the baggiar gene is also an option. But
Speaker 1: apparently zoomers are laughing at US millennials for wearing skinny jeans. Well,
Speaker 1: I did kind of pick up on a few influencers
Speaker 1: who were in there who were about eighteen, early twenties,
Speaker 1: and they were wearing the wide leg jeans and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, that must be a thing now, But
Speaker 1: as you said, I didn't realize it's skinny jean were
Speaker 1: out completely. Actually, now that you mention it, a young
Speaker 1: girl at my work, she's always wearing baggier jeans, and like,
Speaker 1: to be honest, I'm all about that, like if it's
Speaker 1: more comfortable. However, those new sort of rigid mum jeans,
Speaker 1: they're bloody uncomfortable. They are. Can I just say though?
Speaker 1: Men don't understand that that's fashion because they actually look
Speaker 1: terrible on people. I feel like they're really unflattering. So
Speaker 1: they're laughing at us millennials now, but I feel like
Speaker 1: when they're looking back at the photo albums or on
Speaker 1: Instagram or whatever, they're gonna feel pretty stupid wearing those big,
Speaker 1: baggy jeans. Well, I feel like with fashion, you've kind
Speaker 1: of got to go with what looks good on you,
Speaker 1: Like you've got to have a traditional thing. And I
Speaker 1: think skinny jeans are always going to be traditionally in fashion,
Speaker 1: Like you can't really go wrong with them. Well, they're
Speaker 1: more flattering, aren't they. I mean when you wear those
Speaker 1: baggy pants, there's always a weird ass, kind of a
Speaker 1: big ass. Yeah, it's got a big ass. Like I
Speaker 1: bought some boyfriend jeans the other day, and my boyfriend jeans,
Speaker 1: know they I don't know, they're actually mum jeans are
Speaker 1: not boyfriend jean jeans anyway, and Brandon hates them like he's,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, to wear them, your skinny jeans look so
Speaker 1: much nicer. Oh wow, I actually liked them. I think
Speaker 1: they did look good, but were they uncomfortable? They are
Speaker 1: uncomfortable the crutch there's this weird kind of like the
Speaker 1: material is really hard or something, or too high or
Speaker 1: it just made me feel really old reading all of this,
Speaker 1: because I feel like it doesn't seem that long ago
Speaker 1: when we were in our twenties, and I don't feel
Speaker 1: like that there was this big focus on our generation
Speaker 1: paying out the generation before us. I guess seems quite mean.
Speaker 1: Some of the tweets so Mum and Mea did an
Speaker 1: article about it, and some of the tweets like apparently
Speaker 1: we're not even allowed to like Harry Potter or refer
Speaker 1: to Harry Potter anymore. I think they're joking. Oh that
Speaker 1: being said, I feel like we do tear down boomers
Speaker 1: a lot, So yeah, that is true. The thing that
Speaker 1: I found funny was the side part, because for years
Speaker 1: I always wore a side part, and a couple of
Speaker 1: the girls I used to work with or were trying
Speaker 1: to tell me that I should wear a middle part
Speaker 1: because it would make me look older. Is my part
Speaker 1: still side or yeah, it's a bit of a side.
Speaker 1: Is now I'm gonna have to start putting in the middle.
Speaker 1: I think all of us millenniums have to fight back.
Speaker 1: Let's save our skinny jeans. Let's start a petition or something.
Speaker 1: Let's get something going in the group. I'll still be
Speaker 1: wearing mine. But do you know what, it's quite an
Speaker 1: effort to wear skinny jeans at the moment after COVID
Speaker 1: and everything. I just get around in leggings. Was that
Speaker 1: a sight that?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Is that a sign that we're actually getting old now
Speaker 1: that we don't even want to wear skinny jeans because
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm dressed up if I wear skinny jeans.
Speaker 1: But what I don't get is active were still in fashion,
Speaker 1: Like the tight leggings are still so what's the go
Speaker 1: I don't get it. But how do you show off
Speaker 1: your big Kim Kardashi in us in a pair of
Speaker 1: those oversized pants? We just established everyone's ass looks big
Speaker 1: in those hands. That's what I want one of your
Speaker 1: aunts fet you too? Noway? Is that I'm thirsty?
Speaker 2: I'm not just.
Speaker 1: I'm not just they go away, go away, I'm blocking
Speaker 1: you from the Facebook. Another week rolls around and there
Speaker 1: is yet another mummy blogger dispute, this time between Lauren
Speaker 1: de Boyce and smil to start ourself, Sophie. For those
Speaker 1: who don't follow her, who is Lauren to Boyce? It
Speaker 1: would have to be completely transparent. I had no idea
Speaker 1: who she was before I saw her plastered all over
Speaker 1: news dot com. Now she is a mummy blogger with
Speaker 1: over fifty thousand followers on Instagram. She's actually a former
Speaker 1: political journalist, which I found really interesting, particularly as we
Speaker 1: delve deeper into this story. And appearance wise, she's bloody.
Speaker 1: Kylie Minogue's twin Kylie Minogue is definitely her doppelganger. It's
Speaker 1: actually quite freaky. Well, so what has pissed people off? Yeah? Well,
Speaker 1: Laurence actually shared a series of sponsored posts on her
Speaker 1: Instagram story where she's given the does and don'ts for
Speaker 1: what mum should wear on school pickup and it had
Speaker 1: a really weird, kind of mean girl vibe to it.
Speaker 1: Why did she think that that was a good idea?
Speaker 1: Because I feel like anything she put up would have
Speaker 1: offended mums. Yeah, particularly when it seems like her dos
Speaker 1: and donts weren't very relatable because for me, yes, I'm
Speaker 1: not a mum, but I imagine I would be rocking
Speaker 1: up in my trackie decks possibly pajamas at school drop offs. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like she did try to make it relatable
Speaker 1: by talking about how it is something that she's felt
Speaker 1: really stressed over in the past, and she's actually invested
Speaker 1: a lot of time apparently in researching what is an
Speaker 1: appropriate school pick up outfit, so she feels stressed. Yet
Speaker 1: then she wants to shame other mums into buying expensive
Speaker 1: clothing brands, like the brand that's paying her to promote
Speaker 1: her clothes. That sounds fair. Yeah, would you guys want
Speaker 1: to hear some of her tips? I definitely do well.
Speaker 1: One of her the first tip is that mum should
Speaker 1: wear casual but presentable outfits so it does appear as
Speaker 1: though they put a small amount of energy into the outfit.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, this is my least favorite dress code.
Speaker 1: I really stress when someone says the dress code is
Speaker 1: like smart casual, because what does that even mean? Like
Speaker 1: for a guy, they can wear like chinos and a
Speaker 1: nice top or something, but for girls. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: we already discussed how you know how controversial jeans are
Speaker 1: at the moment, I wouldn't even know what smart casual was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's hilarious. So can you imagine men being like this
Speaker 1: is the guide of what dads should wear? Give a shit? Well.
Speaker 1: The thing that I found really disgusting about this comment
Speaker 1: was though, that she said that in dressing in this way,
Speaker 1: it'll allow parents to know that you're not living in
Speaker 1: a dumpster. Wow gosh, wait, so if you don't dress
Speaker 1: smart casual, apparently you're living in a jumpster. That is
Speaker 1: so ridiculous because I really don't think people's clothes are
Speaker 1: reflective of how clean or messy the house is. I mean,
Speaker 1: we always roat Sophie for being a little bit messy
Speaker 1: around the house when she was living with us, and
Speaker 1: no one wonld be able to tell that was the
Speaker 1: case because she presents in a pristine fashion, like, if anything,
Speaker 1: Amy and I are the ones that did rock up
Speaker 1: to her pr company's launching tracksuits. You know what, though,
Speaker 1: maybe it's because people who dress in a daggy away.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's because they spent more time on their house,
Speaker 1: like getting that ready. Yeah, because I feel like with
Speaker 1: active wear, it's now like a very productive outfit. You know,
Speaker 1: you can clean your house, you can go out and
Speaker 1: run errands, You're not necessarily exercising. Can I just say though?
Speaker 1: With covid as well, I don'tink anyone's going dressed in
Speaker 1: smart casual these days, so it seems like a really
Speaker 1: ridiculous time to put something out like this. Well that's
Speaker 1: the fain thing because I find the brand alignment with
Speaker 1: Pedal and Pup, who is a brand that Lauren was promoting.
Speaker 1: I find that strange because you would have thought promoting
Speaker 1: what parents should wear to pick up their kids from
Speaker 1: school would actually more align with a loungewear company or
Speaker 1: someone selling dress. Well, I actually have seen a lot
Speaker 1: of mummy bloggers promoting Pedal and Pup. I first saw
Speaker 1: it pop up with an Adelaide influencer, and I was
Speaker 1: really surprised because she did look incredibly dressed up just
Speaker 1: to be around the house. I would have thought Pedal
Speaker 1: and Pup would be more that younger, like twenty somethings.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe they've captured that audience and are looking
Speaker 1: to branch out into thirty somethings. Well, yeah. Well some
Speaker 1: of these outfits, though, I've got to go into them.
Speaker 1: They were absolutely ludicrous to be wearing on school pickup.
Speaker 1: There was this pink, really tight figure hugging dress that
Speaker 1: is just so illogical to be wearing. How are you
Speaker 1: dealing with kids in that dress? That to me is
Speaker 1: so ridiculous because you know you've got to pick up
Speaker 1: your kids, You've got to hold their backpack, and that
Speaker 1: just is so impractical. All the other items were this
Speaker 1: like spotty jumpsuit and a pink Maxi dress. It's like
Speaker 1: if I was a mother and I saw someone rocking
Speaker 1: up in that, I would think you have too much
Speaker 1: time on your hands. Look, I think the maxi dress
Speaker 1: is okay. The jumpsuit sounds weird. What about the moms
Speaker 1: that have come from work, because, like you know, you
Speaker 1: might be wearing a uniform. That is where there is
Speaker 1: a bit of a distinction. I think in her rules
Speaker 1: it's acceptable to come in your work gear, but if
Speaker 1: you are a stay at home mum, you should make
Speaker 1: a bit more of an effort just coming to get them.
Speaker 1: So just come in your ball gown apparently, so it's
Speaker 1: very like Stepford wife that you've got the time that
Speaker 1: you know, that's a big outing for you to pick
Speaker 1: your kid up from school. Well, the thing I find
Speaker 1: quite contentious is she did touch on the fact that
Speaker 1: she has never ever worn pajamas to school drop off.
Speaker 1: And I think that a lot of mum should have
Speaker 1: a badge Vinyl when they rock up in their pajamas, like,
Speaker 1: good on them. Can I just play Devil's Advocate? Do
Speaker 1: you think that she was taking the piss a bit
Speaker 1: with this post and people have taken it too seriously?
Speaker 1: I just I don't think so. I think she's just
Speaker 1: totally missed the mark. I feel like it came across
Speaker 1: as totally condescending and very mum shaming. I do feel
Speaker 1: like with this whole Instagram trend of sharing, like mum
Speaker 1: sharing their lives on Instagram, that there is this pursuit
Speaker 1: of perfection because we see a lot of mummy bloggers
Speaker 1: sharing their fancy pantries and they're perfected or sorry it's
Speaker 1: fancy pants, no fancy pantries and all this sort of
Speaker 1: amazing organizational stuff that they're doing at home. But I
Speaker 1: feel like this is kind of an extension of that
Speaker 1: Stepford wife profile of that they also look perfect It's
Speaker 1: really strange to me because I'd never thought there would
Speaker 1: be this sort of toxic vibe around mummy bloggers, Like
Speaker 1: it just seems to be this weird community where everyone's
Speaker 1: at each other's throat. Yeah. I suppose we're becoming more
Speaker 1: aware of these women because we are in our thirties
Speaker 1: now and the people that we follow in the pages
Speaker 1: we follow are changing. But I mean, at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, they're women, Like I'm sorry, but as
Speaker 1: you get older, you realize that even when you're in
Speaker 1: your thirties, you're not past bitchy out of behavior for sure.
Speaker 1: So if you've got to run through some of the
Speaker 1: backlash though, because what has the response been from people, Well,
Speaker 1: there has been a lot of backlash about it, and
Speaker 1: has been exacerbated by Smith. Now. We have spoken about
Speaker 1: her on the podcast before. She is a single mum
Speaker 1: who uses her platform to basically hold other mummy bloggers
Speaker 1: to a count. She is also a feminist and she's
Speaker 1: trying to smash down the patriarchy. I love her. She
Speaker 1: is a bit of a shit stirr, but she keeps
Speaker 1: things interesting and just for context s. Milth doesn't actually
Speaker 1: like to use her name so it's not your name. Yes,
Speaker 1: so it's meant to be a bit of a secret
Speaker 1: as to what her real name is. Well, that was
Speaker 1: before another mummy blogger, Sarah Kurns, decided to publicly name her.
Speaker 1: But we discussed that on an earlier podcast, so we
Speaker 1: won't get into that. But basically, it seems like there's
Speaker 1: this big group of mummy bloggers that are very against
Speaker 1: SMLK and so Sophie, what did Smith do? Well, she
Speaker 1: alleged them Well, she has been accused of screenshotting these
Speaker 1: stories and sending them into the Daily Mail. Now she
Speaker 1: denies this, but Lauren has been saying that she she's
Speaker 1: pretty sure that Smilth has done this because Lauren called
Speaker 1: smelf out on her Instagram stories, didn't she? The thing is,
Speaker 1: I don't actually think Smelth would have done it because
Speaker 1: the Daily Mail are always trawling Instagram for stories and
Speaker 1: all the story really was was saying what exactly had
Speaker 1: gone down on an Insta story and then people reactions
Speaker 1: in the comments. Yeah, and why would smelve contact a
Speaker 1: Daily Mail journalists Because, not to be rude, but they're
Speaker 1: not that trust Wheth. They could then completely turn the
Speaker 1: story on smelf and make it this mummy war, which
Speaker 1: has actually turned out to be. I think it's very
Speaker 1: unfair of Lauren to name and shame SMILF when she
Speaker 1: has absolutely no proof. I mean, let's be honest. Journalists
Speaker 1: troul through the comments of influencers. Their job is to
Speaker 1: make stories where there aren't a story, and they've obviously
Speaker 1: done a great job with this because this has gone
Speaker 1: off as someone working in PR the Daily Mail journeys
Speaker 1: are really hard to get hold of, so unless Smilve
Speaker 1: has a friend that's working there, I find it hard
Speaker 1: to believe that they would immediately print something like that. Well,
Speaker 1: as you touched on Kate, this story has just gone off.
Speaker 1: It has appeared on Yahoo seven news dot com, even
Speaker 1: in the Daily Telegraph, and because of this huge attention,
Speaker 1: there has been a lot of hate thrown at Lauren.
Speaker 1: So she has been receiving death threats, which could is
Speaker 1: particularly troubling as a parent when you are putting your
Speaker 1: children out online like that. So I do feel for
Speaker 1: her with these sort of hateful comments that are coming here.
Speaker 1: Who are the people that has send death threats? I
Speaker 1: get being angry, but who is so angry that they're
Speaker 1: actually threatening this woman's life. Probably people that were pajamas
Speaker 1: I'm joking. Well, I'm guessing if people are sending in
Speaker 1: death threats. The comments on her threat aren't too nice either.
Speaker 1: What have people said publicly, Well, they've slammed her for
Speaker 1: being judgmental and also a mean girl. One user wrote,
Speaker 1: who gives a fuck what you were to school drop off?
Speaker 1: If anyone is judging you, they're probably an asshole that
Speaker 1: talks about women empowering women, but in online comments body
Speaker 1: shames others for not being a size six. I also
Speaker 1: found some comments from a school teacher particularly interesting. She
Speaker 1: said that it's a tragic way of showing off a
Speaker 1: sponsored brand by using emotional first time school mums to
Speaker 1: make a few sales. And she went into the fact
Speaker 1: that you know, it's good enough that parents are showing up,
Speaker 1: you know, to be there with their kids. They don't
Speaker 1: need this extra judgment and stress put on them. Well,
Speaker 1: just on pedal and put What do you guys think
Speaker 1: of their involvement in the whole saga. Well, I find
Speaker 1: it interesting that they've made the decision to publicly drop
Speaker 1: Lauren from their brand, because, let's be honest, while the
Speaker 1: influencer has some say in the campaign, the brand would
Speaker 1: have had to sign off on it, so them completely
Speaker 1: just distancing themselves is pretty bad. Well, they said that
Speaker 1: they didn't support the campaign, It's like, as you said,
Speaker 1: you clearly would have signed off on this. He gave
Speaker 1: her the clothes to wear. Also, a lot of influencers
Speaker 1: have to send in their Instagram stories that they film.
Speaker 1: It's not like they just pump an Instagram story out
Speaker 1: and press post like. There's a lot of processes that
Speaker 1: they would go through. I mean, it is interesting to
Speaker 1: see how Pedal and Pup actually use influencers moving forward,
Speaker 1: because it seems like they have been targeting mummy bloggers.
Speaker 1: But is it kind of good publicity for them because
Speaker 1: everyone's talking about it. I mean, we're talking about Pedal
Speaker 1: and Pup on our podcast. A lot of the news
Speaker 1: articles actually didn't name Pedal and Pup. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's because they didn't want to be named. To
Speaker 1: be honest, though, wouldn't have been a much better marketing
Speaker 1: idea to promote Pedal and Pup's clothing as something to
Speaker 1: wear out on the weekend or a girl's night not
Speaker 1: to school. Well, I do find Lauren's response really interesting
Speaker 1: because she put up an inst story where she was
Speaker 1: like fully in tears on their you know, distraught about
Speaker 1: these death threats that she was sending through. So it
Speaker 1: did seem like she was playing the victim a little
Speaker 1: bit in this Oh this is what we see all
Speaker 1: the time now, Like you could literally paint the picture.
Speaker 1: Its like someone gets outraged by an influence of being
Speaker 1: stupid with their platform, and then you que the tears
Speaker 1: and the Instagram story and the victim, which then Teal deleted.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think that's what I don't get. If
Speaker 1: you're going to put it out of apology, put it
Speaker 1: on your bloody feed, or make it a highlight on
Speaker 1: your store, keep it there. I mean, she didn't seem
Speaker 1: too upset because a few hours later, she took a
Speaker 1: photo of herself in a ball gown at the shot,
Speaker 1: making a joke that she's on the way to school
Speaker 1: pick up. Look see that that is actually funny, But
Speaker 1: it's not funny when you've been playing the victim about
Speaker 1: you know, two hours earlier. Yeah, but that's also not funny.
Speaker 1: If you've apologized for being insensitive and trying to put
Speaker 1: people down, then you're kind of putting shade on the
Speaker 1: fact that you actually don't mean your apology at all.
Speaker 1: I do find it interesting that she was begging these
Speaker 1: media outlets to pull the story, and I suppose it
Speaker 1: holds a little bit more weight because she was a
Speaker 1: former political journalist, so she knows the way these people operate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but the way these operators, they're not going to pull
Speaker 1: the story because obviously it was getting a lot of
Speaker 1: clicks if she was getting a lot of people sending
Speaker 1: hate to her page. But do you know what, Like,
Speaker 1: obviously it's horrible getting trolled and hate towards your page,
Speaker 1: but again, it also then brings attention onto you, and
Speaker 1: the right clever influencers can actually exploit that negative attention
Speaker 1: to be a positive. Well. Her commentary was really interesting
Speaker 1: because she said, I'll never be what you want. I
Speaker 1: can't be, I don't want to be. I'm not here
Speaker 1: for you. I'm here for my people. I have no
Speaker 1: obligation to be who you want me to be. You
Speaker 1: are not my people. And I found this comment. You know,
Speaker 1: it's pretty accurate. These influencers have such a dedicated, small
Speaker 1: community of people who love them, and their comments seem
Speaker 1: out of context when you just come into it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's not in them. That's what happens when you
Speaker 1: get bigger, because people come along and they follow your
Speaker 1: page and they don't really know you're in humor. They
Speaker 1: only follow you because you've become popular. I do find
Speaker 1: this notion of publications taking influencers comments out of context
Speaker 1: and then posting them onto a really larger platform sort
Speaker 1: of troubling. I feel like it's quite irresponsible in a way,
Speaker 1: because they are obviously taking the most alarming comments and
Speaker 1: kind of making them bigger than they are, and then
Speaker 1: that's all some people read. Like some people just read
Speaker 1: the headline and then get irate over it. So I
Speaker 1: can see that sense that it seems a little bit unfair.
Speaker 1: But I really don't agree with Lauren's responses to the feedback.
Speaker 2: But the only thing really that there is to do
Speaker 2: is to forgive and forget, So I really do. I
Speaker 2: want to forgive you, and I want to forget you.
Speaker 1: Let's get into the influencer rap and kick it off
Speaker 1: with Shameless's take on celeb spellcheck. I was so excited
Speaker 1: when this popped up in my podcast feed because for
Speaker 1: a while now Shameless have been talking a lot about
Speaker 1: American pop culture, which doesn't really interest me. However, the
Speaker 1: fact that they were willing to talk about this big
Speaker 1: story in Australia was quite exciting. Yeah. And the fact
Speaker 1: is they've shied away from talking about Australian influences for
Speaker 1: so long. And of course the celeb spell check drama
Speaker 1: involves a number of influencers who the girls are connected to,
Speaker 1: like Steph Kleas Smith Well Olivia Rodgers was actually named
Speaker 1: in the articles as being one of these attendees at
Speaker 1: this sort of influencer function where they were talking about
Speaker 1: unmasking the celeb spell check. Yeah, and this of course
Speaker 1: was in the Sydney Confidential an article about unmasking celeb
Speaker 1: spell check and was also picked up by Pedestrian TV.
Speaker 1: I feel like there is a trend on them only
Speaker 1: touching on topics once other media publications have done it. Oh, definitely,
Speaker 1: especially with Pedestrian, Like if it's in Pedestrian, it's going
Speaker 1: to be covered on Shameless. I thought the girls covered
Speaker 1: the topic quite well though. Yeah, I really did enjoy it.
Speaker 1: I did notice though that they didn't actually mention any
Speaker 1: of the influencers that have been called out, and I
Speaker 1: know they spoke a lot about the different content that
Speaker 1: Celeb spell Check covers. So they spoke about obviously the
Speaker 1: kind of the spelling errors, and then they kind of
Speaker 1: got into the bitchier, meaner content I suppose, and how
Speaker 1: there has been a trend of Celeb Spellcheck targeting certain
Speaker 1: influences and one of those people that a lot of
Speaker 1: people have picked up is Steph Clett Smith, who you know,
Speaker 1: Michelle has worked to keep it cleaner before. They've had
Speaker 1: Steph on the podcast. There's clearly a relationship there. However,
Speaker 1: they just didn't want to name any of the influencers. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: what I love though, is the way that they were
Speaker 1: kind of comparing their rise to selebspell checks rise. So
Speaker 1: they were touching on the fact that there is a
Speaker 1: sweet spot of the amount of followers you can have
Speaker 1: and say whatever you like. So they said that sweet
Speaker 1: spot is around the thirty thousand mark, and now that
Speaker 1: Celeb spell Check is hit one hundred thousand, they said
Speaker 1: that they see that they have more responsibility similar to
Speaker 1: what they felt, and they said that, you know, topics
Speaker 1: that they covered in their first series, they said, we
Speaker 1: won't even touch on now because we are now so
Speaker 1: big that we can't be seen to be, you know,
Speaker 1: not bulling but calling out those people, or they kind
Speaker 1: of said punching down because now they have a bigger
Speaker 1: platform than others. I don't know. It is a really
Speaker 1: contentious topic and an interesting one because obviously our podcast
Speaker 1: is a lot smaller than Shameless, so we can talk
Speaker 1: about influencers with our looking like we're being horrible because
Speaker 1: their platforms are a lot larger. However, it does make
Speaker 1: me feel a bit worried the fact that they kept
Speaker 1: talking about how these influencers have these big connections and
Speaker 1: they're sort of like shutting people down. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, that's the whole point of journalism. The whole
Speaker 1: point is to you know, be that voice for people,
Speaker 1: and like this would be like if you know politicians,
Speaker 1: it would be like saying, oh, we can't talk about
Speaker 1: what they're doing because they've got too many connections and
Speaker 1: they're too important. But it felt so it's so obvious
Speaker 1: though that now they are friends with these people, they
Speaker 1: do feel uncomfortable to comment on them, and they do
Speaker 1: have more of an insight into perhaps whether these influencers
Speaker 1: are sending out legal letters or threatening people for talking
Speaker 1: about them. I don't know if that's what it was saying,
Speaker 1: but it was like a threat, wasn't it that if
Speaker 1: you comment on Australian influences and you're in the industry,
Speaker 1: that they're going to come and shut you down. Or
Speaker 1: I mean, we found it a lot with when we
Speaker 1: talk about different influences, they will send their followers after
Speaker 1: us and it can destroy podcasts because a lot of
Speaker 1: them do leave one star review. So maybe that's what
Speaker 1: they're alluding to. Yeah, I would have just like them
Speaker 1: to acknowledge the fact that they are friends with people
Speaker 1: that have been called out on that page, because I
Speaker 1: found the timing of this topic pretty interesting. I mean,
Speaker 1: I touched on the fact that Olivia Rodgers was apparently
Speaker 1: at this dinner where this was all discussed, and it
Speaker 1: was only a couple of weeks ago that Zara and
Speaker 1: Michelle were actually over at Olivia's house for dinner. So
Speaker 1: I feel like celeb's spellcheck would have been a really
Speaker 1: hot topic of discussion. Do you think that part of
Speaker 1: this commentary around influencers power also comes into play in
Speaker 1: regards to sponsorship, So for Shameless in particular, do you
Speaker 1: think they felt like they couldn't target particular influencers because
Speaker 1: they were then going to try and work with similar
Speaker 1: brands those influencers were aligned with. I don't know, because
Speaker 1: there's so many people out in this world who could
Speaker 1: sponsor your content, And do you really want to be
Speaker 1: associated with brands that might do you know, deals with
Speaker 1: influencers that you don't agree with. I mean, we certainly
Speaker 1: don't want to be Yeah, it is a hard one.
Speaker 1: I suppose. Their discussion really made me think Michelle and
Speaker 1: Zara a little bit envious of the fact that Celebs
Speaker 1: Spellcheck is anonymous, because when you are anonymous, you can
Speaker 1: obviously say whatever you want about people. However, like with
Speaker 1: Michelle and Zara, everyone knows who they are now, so
Speaker 1: they have to be really careful about what they said.
Speaker 1: I almost felt like they were yearning for when their
Speaker 1: podcast was smaller and they could talk without having to
Speaker 1: filter themselves. But they did seem quite concerned over the
Speaker 1: fact that Celebs Beelchick probably couldn't monetize the content at all.
Speaker 1: You could see that their brains had gone straight to that,
Speaker 1: which I thought was they had a really interesting take
Speaker 1: on it. They did or they did also raise the
Speaker 1: issue of you know what, they kind of made it
Speaker 1: sound quite negative, like what is going to happen to
Speaker 1: this woman when it is revealed who she is? Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was sitting there feeling really bad
Speaker 1: for her because it just seemed quite pessimistic. I mean, sorry,
Speaker 1: it's not the end of the day, no, but do
Speaker 1: you know what. It goes back to your point of
Speaker 1: maybe they've heard discussions going on with influences and other
Speaker 1: people who were quite powerful in Melbourne, and they're obviously
Speaker 1: irate that someone's been you know, God forbid, they get
Speaker 1: called out, and now they're planning this sort of like
Speaker 1: vendetta against this girl that they don't even know. It's
Speaker 1: like they're setting out to destroy her. That's exactly what
Speaker 1: it sounds like. I did find the conversation around Celeb's
Speaker 1: Spellcheck and monetization interesting because Zara and Michelle were kind
Speaker 1: of saying how they're surprised that Celeb'spellcheck doesn't have a
Speaker 1: plan to make money from this platform, which I thought
Speaker 1: was quite sad because at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: there's people that actually just enjoy talking about influences or like,
Speaker 1: I do truly think that this girl made the account
Speaker 1: up as a bit of fun. Yeah, But then again,
Speaker 1: I feel like they're drawing that conclusion because this is
Speaker 1: now taking up a lot of her time and energy,
Speaker 1: and or surely because she said herself that she doesn't
Speaker 1: like I feel like some people think that she just
Speaker 1: trowls through the accounts. She's so big now that everyone
Speaker 1: a watchdogs for her and they just send her stuff
Speaker 1: and she literally has to post it. It's more that
Speaker 1: it was more that they were weighing up is it
Speaker 1: worth it for her career to be spoiled, you know,
Speaker 1: ruined because she is named and shamed, and is that
Speaker 1: worth it? And she's not receiving any money for it? Well,
Speaker 1: on the whole topic of celeb's spellcheck's identity, do you
Speaker 1: guys think it would ruin the whole page if we
Speaker 1: do find out who she is? Because I think some
Speaker 1: of the lure of the page is that it is
Speaker 1: this invisible watchdog. It's kind of like Batman, you know,
Speaker 1: you don't know who it is, or it's this like
Speaker 1: godlike creature who they've done like you know, they've done
Speaker 1: no wrong, so they can cast they can be now
Speaker 1: because we don't know what they get up to because
Speaker 1: we don't know who they are. I think the only
Speaker 1: way she'll be able to monetize it is if her
Speaker 1: identity is revealed, because that's happened in the past, a
Speaker 1: big meme sits in America. They're the people's identity have
Speaker 1: been revealed and they've become in There's no way she
Speaker 1: can monetize it because she holds influence to account and
Speaker 1: pays them out. It would have to be a situation
Speaker 1: like The Inspired Unemployed, where it was really clever. The
Speaker 1: issue is, though, that if she did want to monetize
Speaker 1: her content, she would have to provide details, her billing details,
Speaker 1: her name to actually receive payments. So there's no way
Speaker 1: that's going to happen. It's really going to be interesting
Speaker 1: to see how this pans out because there are people
Speaker 1: out there that know celeb Spellcheck's identity. I mean, hopefully
Speaker 1: they're good enough friends that they're not going to squeal
Speaker 1: who it is, But I feel like we're Chinese whispers.
Speaker 1: It won't be long until we really do know who
Speaker 1: who she is. The thing is, she has slid into
Speaker 1: our DMS a few times, and she seems so lovely,
Speaker 1: like I just I don't know when I was listening
Speaker 1: to that podcast, it made me feel concerned for her.
Speaker 1: But I just want to say, if you're listening Celebris
Speaker 1: Spell Jack, I think it's all going to turn out fine.
Speaker 2: Hey are barist ciders gossip girl here and I have
Speaker 2: the biggest news ever.
Speaker 1: Well, moving on, Chloe Zepp and Mitchell or Will have
Speaker 1: announced they've bought a new house. Now, have you guys
Speaker 1: seen the photos of this house because I'd say it's
Speaker 1: more of a mansion that they've bought. Yeah. What was
Speaker 1: funny because Chloe put up an instant story and she
Speaker 1: first described the house as having characters, so I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe they've gone and they're going to renovate an old house.
Speaker 1: And then she put up this photo of this like
Speaker 1: Hampton style house with these huge ceilings, this white staircase,
Speaker 1: a shandily. It was this mansion of a house. Are
Speaker 1: you got sure that it just wasn't a photo from
Speaker 1: Pinterest because she was posting photos from pinterst. So she said,
Speaker 1: this is a sneak peak of the house. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: thought she was, Like, I thought she could have been like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is a sneak peak of what I wanted to
Speaker 1: be jim of. The funny thing is she'll probably be
Speaker 1: Sarah's day and buy a house that's like completely fine
Speaker 1: and beautiful house and then rip everything else out because
Speaker 1: they need to renovate it to be perfectly with them
Speaker 1: no one. I love how that house was described as
Speaker 1: if it was like, oh, some absolute bomb where most
Speaker 1: people just move straight in. Well, she did touch on
Speaker 1: the fact that she wouldn't be including any images of
Speaker 1: the front of the house of privacy reasons, and it
Speaker 1: did make me think about how many influencers who do
Speaker 1: share too much and could be targeted because of these
Speaker 1: sort of things. Well, we've seen a number of influencers
Speaker 1: who've actually said on their YouTube channels that they have
Speaker 1: been robbed. Johnnie Grimman was one of those. Well, Saffron
Speaker 1: Barker didn't mind sharing a photo of the front of
Speaker 1: her house, and she's been pretty open about the Airbnb
Speaker 1: that her family is staying and during the lockdown, and
Speaker 1: I was a bit concerned, and oh, my gosh, how
Speaker 1: amazing was Sefron Barker's house. Though, I feel so jealous
Speaker 1: that these twenty year olds are moving into these mansions
Speaker 1: and being like, oh, they bought my first home. And
Speaker 1: it's a bloody ten bedroom palace. Well that's something that
Speaker 1: someone touched on in our Facebook community. She said that
Speaker 1: she's twenty two and it just makes her feel terrible
Speaker 1: about where she is in life seeing these people, and
Speaker 1: I have to say, I'm thirty one and I'm still renting.
Speaker 1: It makes me feel like a bit of a failure. Well,
Speaker 1: Chloe must be raking it in because did you guys
Speaker 1: see she bought Mitchell this bracelet for their five year anniversary,
Speaker 1: and apparently it's worth fifteen thousand dollars. That's just obscene.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like, is that going to
Speaker 1: put people's audiences off or make people more interested? I
Speaker 1: actually I actually quite like. You know that they've bought
Speaker 1: this house. Yeah, but imagine being able to afford to
Speaker 1: buy someone a fifteen thousand dollar bracelet the same week
Speaker 1: that you're putting all your money down on a house deposit.
Speaker 1: Like it's unheard of, Like it's not realistic at all.
Speaker 1: But I feel like the YouTube is a bit of
Speaker 1: an escapism thing, and I like to go and watch
Speaker 1: their content, So I actually am looking forward to watching
Speaker 1: their vlogs about them moving into their new house. It's
Speaker 1: hard not to be jealous, but in a way they
Speaker 1: were probably some of the influencers that I was actually
Speaker 1: genuinely happy. For a lot of other people i've been like, oh,
Speaker 1: but then they're quite nice. I think that's all we've
Speaker 1: got time for today. Thank you so much for listening,
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