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Speaker 1: This is Outspoken the podcast. It's not afraid to say

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Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kate and

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Speaker 1: Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have

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Speaker 1: identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers

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Speaker 1: all things reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues facing women.

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Speaker 1: That is so fat, thank you. There's a rather somber

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Speaker 1: mood in the room at the moment because we've all

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Speaker 1: just discovered that we're old and basically have hated So

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Speaker 1: for those who don't know what we're talking about, there

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Speaker 1: is a meme that's gone viral today and it's depicting

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Speaker 1: a twenty eight year old who's basically not cool anymore

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Speaker 1: because she's wearing skinny jeans that are ripped and she's

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Speaker 1: got a side part. Yeah, so the meme says anatomy

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Speaker 1: of an old person. Aging millennials are characterized by their

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Speaker 1: love of things like side parts, skinny jeans, wine, and

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Speaker 1: the laughing cry emoji. Many millennials like this one in

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Speaker 1: a state of discomfort regarding their proximity to middle aged

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Speaker 1: I personally feel victimized by this because I have somewhat

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Speaker 1: of a side part. I wear skinny jeans and I

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Speaker 1: use that crying with laughter emoji. What are the time?

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Speaker 1: What do we meant to use besides that, you're actually

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Speaker 1: supposed to apparently use the skeleton emoji, and it was

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Speaker 1: a skull the skull, sorry, the skull, like they don't

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Speaker 1: even know which one it is? Is that because you

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Speaker 1: meant to be like dead like laughter? Is that? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I'm really confused about the gene thing

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Speaker 1: because I do remember going through a stage where flares

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Speaker 1: were in briefly and then it was like the low

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Speaker 1: rise skinny jeans and now it's like the high waisted

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Speaker 1: and I thought they were still in fashion because I

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Speaker 1: do know the baggiar gene is also an option. But

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Speaker 1: apparently zoomers are laughing at US millennials for wearing skinny jeans. Well,

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Speaker 1: I did kind of pick up on a few influencers

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Speaker 1: who were in there who were about eighteen, early twenties,

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Speaker 1: and they were wearing the wide leg jeans and I

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Speaker 1: was like, oh, that must be a thing now, But

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Speaker 1: as you said, I didn't realize it's skinny jean were

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Speaker 1: out completely. Actually, now that you mention it, a young

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Speaker 1: girl at my work, she's always wearing baggier jeans, and like,

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Speaker 1: to be honest, I'm all about that, like if it's

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Speaker 1: more comfortable. However, those new sort of rigid mum jeans,

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Speaker 1: they're bloody uncomfortable. They are. Can I just say though?

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Speaker 1: Men don't understand that that's fashion because they actually look

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Speaker 1: terrible on people. I feel like they're really unflattering. So

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Speaker 1: they're laughing at us millennials now, but I feel like

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Speaker 1: when they're looking back at the photo albums or on

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Speaker 1: Instagram or whatever, they're gonna feel pretty stupid wearing those big,

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Speaker 1: baggy jeans. Well, I feel like with fashion, you've kind

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Speaker 1: of got to go with what looks good on you,

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Speaker 1: Like you've got to have a traditional thing. And I

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Speaker 1: think skinny jeans are always going to be traditionally in fashion,

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Speaker 1: Like you can't really go wrong with them. Well, they're

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Speaker 1: more flattering, aren't they. I mean when you wear those

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Speaker 1: baggy pants, there's always a weird ass, kind of a

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Speaker 1: big ass. Yeah, it's got a big ass. Like I

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Speaker 1: bought some boyfriend jeans the other day, and my boyfriend jeans,

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Speaker 1: know they I don't know, they're actually mum jeans are

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Speaker 1: not boyfriend jean jeans anyway, and Brandon hates them like he's,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, to wear them, your skinny jeans look so

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Speaker 1: much nicer. Oh wow, I actually liked them. I think

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Speaker 1: they did look good, but were they uncomfortable? They are

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Speaker 1: uncomfortable the crutch there's this weird kind of like the

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Speaker 1: it just made me feel really old reading all of this,

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Speaker 1: because I feel like it doesn't seem that long ago

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Speaker 1: when we were in our twenties, and I don't feel

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Speaker 1: like that there was this big focus on our generation

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Speaker 1: paying out the generation before us. I guess seems quite mean.

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Speaker 1: Some of the tweets so Mum and Mea did an

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Speaker 1: article about it, and some of the tweets like apparently

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Speaker 1: we're not even allowed to like Harry Potter or refer

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Speaker 1: to Harry Potter anymore. I think they're joking. Oh that

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Speaker 1: being said, I feel like we do tear down boomers

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Speaker 1: a lot, So yeah, that is true. The thing that

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Speaker 1: I found funny was the side part, because for years

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Speaker 1: because it would make me look older. Is my part

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Speaker 1: still side or yeah, it's a bit of a side.

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Speaker 1: Is now I'm gonna have to start putting in the middle.

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Speaker 1: I think all of us millenniums have to fight back.

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Speaker 1: Let's save our skinny jeans. Let's start a petition or something.

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Speaker 1: Let's get something going in the group. I'll still be

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Speaker 1: wearing mine. But do you know what, it's quite an

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Speaker 1: effort to wear skinny jeans at the moment after COVID

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Speaker 1: and everything. I just get around in leggings. Was that

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: Is that a sign that we're actually getting old now

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Speaker 1: that we don't even want to wear skinny jeans because

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm dressed up if I wear skinny jeans.

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Speaker 1: But what I don't get is active were still in fashion,

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Speaker 1: Like the tight leggings are still so what's the go

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Speaker 1: I don't get it. But how do you show off

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Speaker 1: your big Kim Kardashi in us in a pair of

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Speaker 1: those oversized pants? We just established everyone's ass looks big

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Speaker 1: in those hands. That's what I want one of your

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Speaker 1: aunts fet you too? Noway? Is that I'm thirsty?

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Speaker 2: I'm not just.

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Speaker 1: I'm not just they go away, go away, I'm blocking

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Speaker 1: you from the Facebook. Another week rolls around and there

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Speaker 1: is yet another mummy blogger dispute, this time between Lauren

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Speaker 1: de Boyce and smil to start ourself, Sophie. For those

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Speaker 1: who don't follow her, who is Lauren to Boyce? It

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Speaker 1: would have to be completely transparent. I had no idea

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Speaker 1: who she was before I saw her plastered all over

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Speaker 1: news dot com. Now she is a mummy blogger with

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Speaker 1: over fifty thousand followers on Instagram. She's actually a former

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Speaker 1: political journalist, which I found really interesting, particularly as we

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Speaker 1: delve deeper into this story. And appearance wise, she's bloody.

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Speaker 1: Kylie Minogue's twin Kylie Minogue is definitely her doppelganger. It's

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Speaker 1: actually quite freaky. Well, so what has pissed people off? Yeah? Well,

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Speaker 1: Laurence actually shared a series of sponsored posts on her

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Speaker 1: Instagram story where she's given the does and don'ts for

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Speaker 1: what mum should wear on school pickup and it had

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Speaker 1: Why did she think that that was a good idea?

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Speaker 1: Because I feel like anything she put up would have

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Speaker 1: offended mums. Yeah, particularly when it seems like her dos

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Speaker 1: and donts weren't very relatable because for me, yes, I'm

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Speaker 1: up in my trackie decks possibly pajamas at school drop offs. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I feel like she did try to make it relatable

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Speaker 1: by talking about how it is something that she's felt

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Speaker 1: a lot of time apparently in researching what is an

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Speaker 1: then she wants to shame other mums into buying expensive

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Speaker 1: clothing brands, like the brand that's paying her to promote

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Speaker 1: to hear some of her tips? I definitely do well.

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Speaker 1: One of her the first tip is that mum should

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Speaker 1: wear casual but presentable outfits so it does appear as

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Speaker 1: though they put a small amount of energy into the outfit.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, this is my least favorite dress code.

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Speaker 1: I really stress when someone says the dress code is

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Speaker 1: like smart casual, because what does that even mean? Like

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Speaker 1: for a guy, they can wear like chinos and a

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Speaker 1: nice top or something, but for girls. It's like, well,

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Speaker 1: at the moment, I wouldn't even know what smart casual was. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's hilarious. So can you imagine men being like this

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Speaker 1: is the guide of what dads should wear? Give a shit? Well.

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Speaker 1: The thing that I found really disgusting about this comment

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Speaker 1: was though, that she said that in dressing in this way,

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Speaker 1: it'll allow parents to know that you're not living in

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Speaker 1: a dumpster. Wow gosh, wait, so if you don't dress

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Speaker 1: smart casual, apparently you're living in a jumpster. That is

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Speaker 1: so ridiculous because I really don't think people's clothes are

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Speaker 1: we always roat Sophie for being a little bit messy

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Speaker 1: case because she presents in a pristine fashion, like, if anything,

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Speaker 1: Amy and I are the ones that did rock up

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Speaker 1: to her pr company's launching tracksuits. You know what, though,

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Speaker 1: maybe it's because people who dress in a daggy away.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's because they spent more time on their house,

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Speaker 1: like getting that ready. Yeah, because I feel like with

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Speaker 1: active wear, it's now like a very productive outfit. You know,

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Speaker 1: With covid as well, I don'tink anyone's going dressed in

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Speaker 1: ridiculous time to put something out like this. Well that's

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Speaker 1: the fain thing because I find the brand alignment with

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Speaker 1: school would actually more align with a loungewear company or

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Speaker 1: someone selling dress. Well, I actually have seen a lot

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Speaker 1: of mummy bloggers promoting Pedal and Pup. I first saw

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Speaker 1: it pop up with an Adelaide influencer, and I was

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Speaker 1: really surprised because she did look incredibly dressed up just

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Speaker 1: to branch out into thirty somethings. Well, yeah. Well some

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Speaker 1: of these outfits, though, I've got to go into them.

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Speaker 1: They were absolutely ludicrous to be wearing on school pickup.

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Speaker 1: There was this pink, really tight figure hugging dress that

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Speaker 1: is just so illogical to be wearing. How are you

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Speaker 1: dealing with kids in that dress? That to me is

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Speaker 1: so ridiculous because you know you've got to pick up

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Speaker 1: your kids, You've got to hold their backpack, and that

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Speaker 1: like spotty jumpsuit and a pink Maxi dress. It's like

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Speaker 1: if I was a mother and I saw someone rocking

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Speaker 1: is okay. The jumpsuit sounds weird. What about the moms

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Speaker 1: that have come from work, because, like you know, you

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Speaker 1: might be wearing a uniform. That is where there is

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Speaker 1: a bit of a distinction. I think in her rules

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Speaker 1: it's acceptable to come in your work gear, but if

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Speaker 1: you are a stay at home mum, you should make

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Speaker 1: a bit more of an effort just coming to get them.

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Speaker 1: So just come in your ball gown apparently, so it's

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Speaker 1: very like Stepford wife that you've got the time that

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Speaker 1: you know, that's a big outing for you to pick

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Speaker 1: your kid up from school. Well, the thing I find

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Speaker 1: quite contentious is she did touch on the fact that

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Speaker 1: she has never ever worn pajamas to school drop off.

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Speaker 1: And I think that a lot of mum should have

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Speaker 1: a badge Vinyl when they rock up in their pajamas, like,

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Speaker 1: good on them. Can I just play Devil's Advocate? Do

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Speaker 1: you think that she was taking the piss a bit

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Speaker 1: with this post and people have taken it too seriously?

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Speaker 1: I just I don't think so. I think she's just

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Speaker 1: as totally condescending and very mum shaming. I do feel

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Speaker 1: of said punching down because now they have a bigger

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Speaker 1: platform than others. I don't know. It is a really

429
00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,960
Speaker 1: contentious topic and an interesting one because obviously our podcast

430
00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,800
Speaker 1: is a lot smaller than Shameless, so we can talk

431
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Speaker 1: about influencers with our looking like we're being horrible because

432
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,080
Speaker 1: their platforms are a lot larger. However, it does make

433
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Speaker 1: me feel a bit worried the fact that they kept

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Speaker 1: talking about how these influencers have these big connections and

435
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Speaker 1: they're sort of like shutting people down. It's like, well,

436
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,120
Speaker 1: you know, that's the whole point of journalism. The whole

437
00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,720
Speaker 1: point is to you know, be that voice for people,

438
00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,360
Speaker 1: and like this would be like if you know politicians,

439
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,000
Speaker 1: it would be like saying, oh, we can't talk about

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Speaker 1: what they're doing because they've got too many connections and

441
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Speaker 1: they're too important. But it felt so it's so obvious

442
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Speaker 1: though that now they are friends with these people, they

443
00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,520
Speaker 1: do feel uncomfortable to comment on them, and they do

444
00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,960
Speaker 1: have more of an insight into perhaps whether these influencers

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Speaker 1: are sending out legal letters or threatening people for talking

446
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Speaker 1: about them. I don't know if that's what it was saying,

447
00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:42,840
Speaker 1: but it was like a threat, wasn't it that if

448
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Speaker 1: you comment on Australian influences and you're in the industry,

449
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Speaker 1: that they're going to come and shut you down. Or

450
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Speaker 1: I mean, we found it a lot with when we

451
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Speaker 1: talk about different influences, they will send their followers after

452
00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,280
Speaker 1: us and it can destroy podcasts because a lot of

453
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Speaker 1: them do leave one star review. So maybe that's what

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Speaker 1: they're alluding to. Yeah, I would have just like them

455
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Speaker 1: to acknowledge the fact that they are friends with people

456
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Speaker 1: that have been called out on that page, because I

457
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,439
Speaker 1: found the timing of this topic pretty interesting. I mean,

458
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Speaker 1: I touched on the fact that Olivia Rodgers was apparently

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Speaker 1: at this dinner where this was all discussed, and it

460
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:13,919
Speaker 1: was only a couple of weeks ago that Zara and

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Speaker 1: Michelle were actually over at Olivia's house for dinner. So

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Speaker 1: I feel like celeb's spellcheck would have been a really

463
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Speaker 1: hot topic of discussion. Do you think that part of

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Speaker 1: this commentary around influencers power also comes into play in

465
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Speaker 1: regards to sponsorship, So for Shameless in particular, do you

466
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Speaker 1: think they felt like they couldn't target particular influencers because

467
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Speaker 1: they were then going to try and work with similar

468
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Speaker 1: brands those influencers were aligned with. I don't know, because

469
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Speaker 1: there's so many people out in this world who could

470
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Speaker 1: sponsor your content, And do you really want to be

471
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Speaker 1: associated with brands that might do you know, deals with

472
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Speaker 1: influencers that you don't agree with. I mean, we certainly

473
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Speaker 1: don't want to be Yeah, it is a hard one.

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Speaker 1: I suppose. Their discussion really made me think Michelle and

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Speaker 1: Zara a little bit envious of the fact that Celebs

476
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Speaker 1: Spellcheck is anonymous, because when you are anonymous, you can

477
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 1: obviously say whatever you want about people. However, like with

478
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,440
Speaker 1: Michelle and Zara, everyone knows who they are now, so

479
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 1: they have to be really careful about what they said.

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Speaker 1: I almost felt like they were yearning for when their

481
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Speaker 1: podcast was smaller and they could talk without having to

482
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Speaker 1: filter themselves. But they did seem quite concerned over the

483
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 1: fact that Celebs Beelchick probably couldn't monetize the content at all.

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Speaker 1: You could see that their brains had gone straight to that,

485
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Speaker 1: which I thought was they had a really interesting take

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Speaker 1: on it. They did or they did also raise the

487
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Speaker 1: issue of you know what, they kind of made it

488
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Speaker 1: sound quite negative, like what is going to happen to

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Speaker 1: this woman when it is revealed who she is? Like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I was sitting there feeling really bad

491
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Speaker 1: for her because it just seemed quite pessimistic. I mean, sorry,

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Speaker 1: it's not the end of the day, no, but do

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Speaker 1: you know what. It goes back to your point of

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Speaker 1: maybe they've heard discussions going on with influences and other

495
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Speaker 1: people who were quite powerful in Melbourne, and they're obviously

496
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Speaker 1: irate that someone's been you know, God forbid, they get

497
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Speaker 1: called out, and now they're planning this sort of like

498
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Speaker 1: vendetta against this girl that they don't even know. It's

499
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Speaker 1: like they're setting out to destroy her. That's exactly what

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Speaker 1: it sounds like. I did find the conversation around Celeb's

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Speaker 1: Spellcheck and monetization interesting because Zara and Michelle were kind

502
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Speaker 1: of saying how they're surprised that Celeb'spellcheck doesn't have a

503
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Speaker 1: plan to make money from this platform, which I thought

504
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Speaker 1: was quite sad because at the end of the day,

505
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Speaker 1: there's people that actually just enjoy talking about influences or like,

506
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Speaker 1: I do truly think that this girl made the account

507
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 1: up as a bit of fun. Yeah, But then again,

508
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Speaker 1: I feel like they're drawing that conclusion because this is

509
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Speaker 1: now taking up a lot of her time and energy,

510
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Speaker 1: and or surely because she said herself that she doesn't

511
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Speaker 1: like I feel like some people think that she just

512
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Speaker 1: trowls through the accounts. She's so big now that everyone

513
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 1: a watchdogs for her and they just send her stuff

514
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Speaker 1: and she literally has to post it. It's more that

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Speaker 1: it was more that they were weighing up is it

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Speaker 1: worth it for her career to be spoiled, you know,

517
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Speaker 1: ruined because she is named and shamed, and is that

518
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Speaker 1: worth it? And she's not receiving any money for it? Well,

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Speaker 1: on the whole topic of celeb's spellcheck's identity, do you

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Speaker 1: guys think it would ruin the whole page if we

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Speaker 1: do find out who she is? Because I think some

522
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Speaker 1: of the lure of the page is that it is

523
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Speaker 1: this invisible watchdog. It's kind of like Batman, you know,

524
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: you don't know who it is, or it's this like

525
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 1: godlike creature who they've done like you know, they've done

526
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 1: no wrong, so they can cast they can be now

527
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Speaker 1: because we don't know what they get up to because

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Speaker 1: we don't know who they are. I think the only

529
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Speaker 1: way she'll be able to monetize it is if her

530
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Speaker 1: identity is revealed, because that's happened in the past, a

531
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 1: big meme sits in America. They're the people's identity have

532
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: been revealed and they've become in There's no way she

533
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 1: can monetize it because she holds influence to account and

534
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 1: pays them out. It would have to be a situation

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00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: like The Inspired Unemployed, where it was really clever. The

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00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: issue is, though, that if she did want to monetize

537
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Speaker 1: her content, she would have to provide details, her billing details,

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Speaker 1: her name to actually receive payments. So there's no way

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Speaker 1: that's going to happen. It's really going to be interesting

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Speaker 1: to see how this pans out because there are people

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Speaker 1: out there that know celeb Spellcheck's identity. I mean, hopefully

542
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: they're good enough friends that they're not going to squeal

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Speaker 1: who it is, But I feel like we're Chinese whispers.

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Speaker 1: It won't be long until we really do know who

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00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: who she is. The thing is, she has slid into

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00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: our DMS a few times, and she seems so lovely,

547
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 1: like I just I don't know when I was listening

548
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 1: to that podcast, it made me feel concerned for her.

549
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: But I just want to say, if you're listening Celebris

550
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 1: Spell Jack, I think it's all going to turn out fine.

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Speaker 2: Hey are barist ciders gossip girl here and I have

552
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 2: the biggest news ever.

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Speaker 1: Well, moving on, Chloe Zepp and Mitchell or Will have

554
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: announced they've bought a new house. Now, have you guys

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00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: seen the photos of this house because I'd say it's

556
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Speaker 1: more of a mansion that they've bought. Yeah. What was

557
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: funny because Chloe put up an instant story and she

558
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Speaker 1: first described the house as having characters, so I was like, oh,

559
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: maybe they've gone and they're going to renovate an old house.

560
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 1: And then she put up this photo of this like

561
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Speaker 1: Hampton style house with these huge ceilings, this white staircase,

562
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Speaker 1: a shandily. It was this mansion of a house. Are

563
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Speaker 1: you got sure that it just wasn't a photo from

564
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Speaker 1: Pinterest because she was posting photos from pinterst. So she said,

565
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Speaker 1: this is a sneak peak of the house. Yeah, I

566
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: thought she was, Like, I thought she could have been like, oh,

567
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Speaker 1: this is a sneak peak of what I wanted to

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Speaker 1: be jim of. The funny thing is she'll probably be

569
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Speaker 1: Sarah's day and buy a house that's like completely fine

570
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: and beautiful house and then rip everything else out because

571
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: they need to renovate it to be perfectly with them

572
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: no one. I love how that house was described as

573
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Speaker 1: if it was like, oh, some absolute bomb where most

574
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: people just move straight in. Well, she did touch on

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Speaker 1: the fact that she wouldn't be including any images of

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Speaker 1: the front of the house of privacy reasons, and it

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00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 1: did make me think about how many influencers who do

578
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: share too much and could be targeted because of these

579
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: sort of things. Well, we've seen a number of influencers

580
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: who've actually said on their YouTube channels that they have

581
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: been robbed. Johnnie Grimman was one of those. Well, Saffron

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Speaker 1: Barker didn't mind sharing a photo of the front of

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Speaker 1: her house, and she's been pretty open about the Airbnb

584
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: that her family is staying and during the lockdown, and

585
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: I was a bit concerned, and oh, my gosh, how

586
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: amazing was Sefron Barker's house. Though, I feel so jealous

587
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: that these twenty year olds are moving into these mansions

588
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 1: and being like, oh, they bought my first home. And

589
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: it's a bloody ten bedroom palace. Well that's something that

590
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 1: someone touched on in our Facebook community. She said that

591
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Speaker 1: she's twenty two and it just makes her feel terrible

592
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: about where she is in life seeing these people, and

593
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 1: I have to say, I'm thirty one and I'm still renting.

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00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: It makes me feel like a bit of a failure. Well,

595
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: Chloe must be raking it in because did you guys

596
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: see she bought Mitchell this bracelet for their five year anniversary,

597
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: and apparently it's worth fifteen thousand dollars. That's just obscene.

598
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like, is that going to

599
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: put people's audiences off or make people more interested? I

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Speaker 1: actually I actually quite like. You know that they've bought

601
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 1: this house. Yeah, but imagine being able to afford to

602
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: buy someone a fifteen thousand dollar bracelet the same week

603
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: that you're putting all your money down on a house deposit.

604
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: Like it's unheard of, Like it's not realistic at all.

605
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 1: But I feel like the YouTube is a bit of

606
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: an escapism thing, and I like to go and watch

607
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: their content, So I actually am looking forward to watching

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00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: their vlogs about them moving into their new house. It's

609
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 1: hard not to be jealous, but in a way they

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00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: were probably some of the influencers that I was actually

611
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: genuinely happy. For a lot of other people i've been like, oh,

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00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: but then they're quite nice. I think that's all we've

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Speaker 1: got time for today. Thank you so much for listening,

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Speaker 1: and if you'd like to join in on the conversation,

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Speaker 1: come and join our Facebook community which is outspoken the

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Speaker 1: podcast community. There's lots of conversations going on there. And

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Speaker 1: if you did enjoy the podcast, please go and leave

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