1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Already and this is this is the Daily This is 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: the Daily. Ohs oh, now it makes sense. Good morning 3 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Tuesday, the nineteenth 4 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: of August. I'm Emma Gillespie. 5 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 2: I'm Tamkovlaski. 6 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: A landmark federal court decision has hit Quantas with Australia's 7 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: largest workplace penalty in corporate history. The airline has been 8 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: ordered to pay ninety million dollars for illegally sacking more 9 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: than eighteen hundred workers during the pandemic. Money that comes 10 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: on top of a one hundred and twenty million dollar 11 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: compensation deal that the airline has already agreed to. It's 12 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: been nearly five years since we first began hearing about 13 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: this case, and there have been plenty of twists and 14 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: turns in the years since. So today we are going 15 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: to take you through everything you need to know about 16 00:00:55,400 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: this case. But first a quick message from our sponsor, So. 17 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 2: M this is being described as the largest case of 18 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 2: illegal sackings in Australian history. That is not something you 19 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 2: say on the podcast every day, yep, So why don't 20 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 2: you take us right back? This is a COVID story. 21 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 2: So let's go back to that time where did this 22 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:17,199 Speaker 2: all start. 23 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, you might remember a series of I suppose Quantus 24 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: would maybe frame them as bad pr headlines coming out 25 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 1: about the airline in that COVID era, And this one 26 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: is really at the core of that big media storm 27 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:33,199 Speaker 1: of the COVID era. 28 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: So we're talking right the beginning of the pandemic, like 29 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 2: twenty twenty. 30 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: Yep, so COVID nineteen. We're right in the thick of it, 31 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 1: and airlines are losing money rapidly, So borders are closed, 32 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: flights are canceled. Every airline is doing it tough, and 33 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: Quantus in particular claims that it is bleeding cash. They 34 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: were the words that the carrier used at the time. Now, 35 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: in November twenty twenty, Quantus made a decision to outsource 36 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: more than eighteen hundred staff, So we're talking baggage handlers, cleaners, 37 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: ground crew, all the people who keep the planes and 38 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: the airport's running for Quantus. Now, the company at the 39 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: time said that this was a cost saving measure, that 40 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: it was trying to survive the pandemic, and that by 41 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: outsourcing these jobs to contractors, it could save about one 42 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: hundred million dollars per year. 43 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 2: And so how do we get from a cost saving 44 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 2: measure during the height of the pandemic to a court case. 45 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: So this is where it gets quite interesting and where 46 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: we start to hear from the Transport Workers' Union. Now, 47 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: this is a major union that represents a lot of 48 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: the staff that were involved in the sackings, and the 49 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: union argued that this wasn't just about money. They actually 50 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: claimed that Quantus deliberately timed these sackings to prevent the 51 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: workers from exercising their industrial rights, so that included their 52 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: right to collectively bargain for better wages and conditions, as 53 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: well as go on strike to demand better wages. The 54 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: TWU argued that Quantus deliberate and illegally sacked the workers 55 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: at a time when they couldn't take any of that 56 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: kind of action interesting, and so it launched legal action 57 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: in the federal court in twenty twenty. Now, in July 58 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,679 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, Justice Michael Lee, who was the same 59 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 1: judge that handed down this week's penalty, he found that 60 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: Quantus had indeed acted illegally, siding with the TWU. 61 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 2: A big finding. What were Justice Lee's reasons for getting there? 62 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: So he ruled that while Quantus may have had legitimate 63 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: commercial reasons for outsourcing these staff, a substantial reason for 64 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: the decision was to curb the union's bargaining power or 65 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: to curb staff's ability to exercise their industrial action. Under 66 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: Australian workplace law, you actually can't sack workers to prevent 67 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: them from exercising those rights, from doing things like striking, 68 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: and Justice Lee found that Quantus basically couldn't prove that 69 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: it wasn't motivated by that factor, so it couldn't prove 70 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: that it was purely motivated by law full or financial 71 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: reasons rather than ones prohibited by the Fair Work Act. Essentially, 72 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: the burden of proof was on Quantus to show that 73 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: they weren't trying to weaken the union, and Justice Lea 74 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: ruled that they couldn't. 75 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 2: Do that, and so that decision was handed down in 76 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,239 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. We're now here in the second half 77 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 2: of twenty twenty five, we're still talking about it. What 78 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,799 Speaker 2: happened next in the last let's say, almost four years 79 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 2: since then. 80 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're absolutely right. Quantus appealed that first decision in 81 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 1: the federal court. They actually ended up taking this fight 82 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: all the way up the court system. So first they 83 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: appealed to what is known as the Full Federal Court. 84 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty two, three judges unanimously there upheld the 85 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: original ruling against the airline, and then Quantus took its 86 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: appeal to the High Court. So this is Australia's highest 87 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: legal authority, the final place of appeal, and in twenty 88 00:04:55,760 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: twenty three, the High Court unanimously dismissed Quantus's appeal. That's 89 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: three separate courts, seven different judges, all finding that Quantus 90 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: did act illegally by sacking these workers. 91 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 2: And so it went all the way up the court ladder. 92 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 2: It was rejected at every stage, and then it almost 93 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 2: got sent back down for this sentencing decision or kind 94 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 2: of a financial penalty being handed down, which is why 95 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 2: we're talking about it today. So then that's the focus. 96 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 2: What was the process in working out exactly how much 97 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 2: Quantus needed to pay to remedy this mistake. 98 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: So there were essentially two separate issues that Quantus and 99 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: the union have been working in the courts to resolve 100 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 1: since that point. First, there's this issue of compensation for 101 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: the workers who lost their jobs. Then separately, there are 102 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: the penalties against Quantus for breaking the law. So a 103 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: twofold issue here. In October last year, Justice Lee in 104 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: the Federal Court ordered compensation for the eighteen hundred affected workers, 105 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: and the court found that Quantus should compensate them not 106 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: just for economic losses like lost wages, but also for 107 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: non economic losses, including what the court called hurt and suffering. Now, 108 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: before landing on a figure, how do you determine, you know, 109 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: the value of what these eighteen hundred workers should be awarded, 110 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: There was a bit of a test case in the 111 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: Federal court now that involved three of the impacted workers. 112 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 1: These were three Quantus staffers aged in their fifties. Two 113 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: of them had worked for the company for twenty years, 114 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: and we heard firsthand from them about what the sacking 115 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: had done to them mentally, physically, the emotional fallout, relationship fallouts, 116 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: the whole kind of gamut of negative experiences were on 117 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: display from those three representatives. Justice Lee awarded those ex 118 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: Quantus workers a total of one hundred and seventy thousand dollars, 119 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: and that became a sort of blueprint for broader compensation 120 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: to figure out a scheme that would include all eighteen 121 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty workers. 122 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 2: So they had those test cases, they came up with 123 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 2: a bit of a figure. There has that now been 124 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 2: resolved and is every worker going to receive a check 125 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 2: for the damage and the lost wages? Yeah? 126 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 1: In short, yes, So in December, based on that case 127 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: with the three workers, Quantus agreed to pay one hundred 128 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: and twenty million dollars in total into a compensation fund 129 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: for all affected former employees. But that still left us 130 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: with this question of penalties. So, yep, you're going to 131 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: compensate the workers that you were found to have illegally sacked. 132 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: But what is the price that you should pay for 133 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: making that mistake, for breaking the law in that way? 134 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 2: And that's why we're talking about it today. So in 135 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 2: that two part equation you were talking about earlier of 136 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 2: compensating the employees and then the penalties were now at 137 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 2: that penalty's bit. Yep, what did Justice Lee rule? 138 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: So Justice Lee ordered Quantas to pay ninety million dollars 139 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: in penalties, and as we've explained, that is on top 140 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: of the compensation payment that it's required to pay. 141 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 2: So we're now over two hundred million dollars exactly. 142 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: The TWU was seeking the maximum penalty, which would have 143 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: been one hundred twenty one million dollars. Quantus had argued 144 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: for a mid range penalty, of course, something between the 145 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: forty and eighty million dollar mark, so we were loosely 146 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: expecting a pretty high figure. But Justice Lee said that 147 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: he wanted to come up with a number that was 148 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: going to essentially deter other major corporations from behaving similarly, 149 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: you know, setting a bit of an example here, and 150 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: he was pretty scathing about the conduct of the airline. 151 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: He said that quote, to deprive someone of work illegally 152 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: is to deprive someone of an aspect of their human dignity. 153 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: And this is not assuaged simply by expressions of regret. 154 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 2: It's pretty strong language from the judge there. Tell me 155 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 2: about how he characterized Quantus's behavior, because the focus of 156 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 2: this penalty bit is really about assessing their role in 157 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 2: this process, and obviously it's worth ninety million dollars in penalties. Yeah, 158 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 2: how did you describe Quantus as a kind of corporate citizen? 159 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: It was really interesting and just as Michael Lee is, 160 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: as you can imagine, a very articulate judge. He was 161 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: particularly critical of how Quantus handled the case. Immediately after 162 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: the outsourcing came to light. He criticized them of a 163 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: lack of transparency, of kind of a dishonesty with the 164 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: community about what was going on, and the judge also 165 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: noted that while the airline did eventually apologize publicly that 166 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: it had attempted to deny compensation payments to affected workers 167 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: and that it had been quote the wrong kind of sorry. 168 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: So Lee suggested that the remorse shown by quantus quote 169 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: more likely reflects the damage this case has done, rather 170 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: than unique remorse for the damage done to the affected workers. 171 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 2: Let's get a quick response from the TWU. How have 172 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 2: they responded to the penalty? 173 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: So the union has said that they're not necessarily happy 174 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: about this penalty, but that they do welcome it as 175 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: vindication for workers. Their argument all along has been, you know, 176 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: we never should have been here having these conversations and 177 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: the damage has been done. But National Secretary for the 178 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: union Michael Kin described the penalty as a ninety million 179 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: dollar message to corporate Australia that workers will stand up 180 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: for what's right. The union has consistently argued throughout this 181 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: case that the human cost was enormous. The impact on 182 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: the workers who suffered financially you know, family breakdown's mental 183 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:26,319 Speaker 1: illness as a result of suddenly losing employment, especially during 184 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: the early scary stages of the pandemic. Cain also touched 185 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: on the fact that the Transport Workers Union brought this 186 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: case and took on a company with quote almost limitless resources, 187 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: knowing it was a long shot. Now, I thought it 188 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 1: was interesting that Justice Lee actually acknowledged what the TWU 189 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: did here, saying that the TWU quote has alone borne 190 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 1: the burden of prosecuting this litigation. Now, with that in mind, 191 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: he's actually ordered fifty million of the ninety million dollars 192 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 1: that Quantas must pay to be paid to the union's 193 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: so some of that penalty will go towards the union's 194 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: legal cost. 195 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 2: And have we heard from the airline in all of this? 196 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: So Quantus has accepted the federal court decision. There's a 197 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: statement from the airline this week that said the judgment 198 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: holds them accountable for their actions which caused real harm 199 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: to employees. We've heard from the group's CEO, Vanessa Hudson, 200 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: who said the airline apologizes to each and every one 201 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: of the sacked workers and their families, and she added 202 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,839 Speaker 1: that quote over the past eighteen months. We worked hard 203 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: to change the way we operate to rebuild trust with 204 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: our people and our customers. This remains our highest priority 205 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: as we work to earn back the trust we lost. 206 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 2: And so what happens now, I mean, where do we 207 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 2: go from here? And I'm interested, particularly if any of 208 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 2: the money has actually been paid out yet. 209 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: Yes, so the airline Quantus has noted that it has 210 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: paid out that one hundred and twenty million dollars, but 211 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 1: that has gone to a fund that's being managed by 212 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: the Morris Blackburn lawyers, the law firm representing all the workers. Now, 213 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: the law firm is still working to send those individual 214 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: payments out. It started issuing payments in April this year. 215 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: But it is a really lengthy process and the compensation 216 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 1: amounts for the workers actually vary, so they're ranging from 217 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: between thirty thousand to one hundred thousand dollars based on 218 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: individual circumstances. So the scale of those payments in accordance 219 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: with the court's orders against the individual circumstances. You can 220 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 1: understand why it might continue to be a lengthy one. 221 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: But the money is in the bank for all intents 222 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: and purposes from Quantus, and it will pay the penalty 223 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: from this week in accordance with court orders. According to Quantus. 224 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 2: A really significant employment case that comes to an end 225 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 2: after many, many years and many tiers of the court system. Emma, 226 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 2: thank you so much for that. Thank you, and thanks 227 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 2: so much for joining us on the Daily Ods this morning. 228 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 2: If you enjoyed what you listens to, we'd love you 229 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 2: to share with a friend or leave a comment. You 230 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 2: can listening on Spotify, Apple or watching us on YouTube. 231 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,719 Speaker 2: We'll be back in the afternoon with your head. Until then, 232 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 2: have a wonderful day. 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