1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: This episode is brought to you by The Athletes Foot. 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: I caught up with New Zealand netbuller Gina Crampton for 3 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: a chat just before she represented New Zealand at the 4 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:17,319 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three Netball World Cup. Her story is one 5 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 1: of persistence and perseverance and we had some really incredible 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: discussions around leadership and the fact that not everyone is 7 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: cut out to be the captain of the team, and 8 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: that it's okay to put your hand up and say 9 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: maybe I'd prefer to be vice captain instead. I hope 10 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 1: you enjoy this chat. Gina, Welcome to the Female Athlete Project. 11 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 2: Thank you, thanks for having me. 12 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to having a chat. I don't know 13 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: if we've had a Kiwi on the podcast yet, so 14 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: I think this is going to be a great insight 15 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: to a lot of our Australian listeners. Well, we've got 16 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: a real spread, definitely got some listeners in New Zealand 17 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: over in the US and the UK predominantly Australia, so 18 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: I think this will be a really cool chat and 19 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: we know some of the big sporting rivalries that exist 20 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: between Usustralia and New Zealand. 21 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 2: Absolutely amazing to kick us off. 22 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: Can you tell us a little bit about what you 23 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: were like as a little kid. 24 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 3: Oh, what I was like as a little kid. Very active. 25 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 3: I think that was sort of my dad's doing. He's 26 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 3: a very outdoors the type of person. We did lots 27 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 3: of campaing and activity, water activities and things like that. 28 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 3: So I sort of loved being active with him and 29 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 3: walks and tramps and things like that, which probably now 30 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 3: I wouldn't be a huge fan of doing tramps and things, 31 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:33,839 Speaker 3: but yeah, I hit a really. 32 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: Good sho to hang on. What's a tramp? 33 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 3: A tramp like a like a long walk that you 34 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 3: got like over some mountain. 35 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: What do we call those? Different things? Like a hike 36 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:44,639 Speaker 1: or different? 37 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a hike. Yeah that is that. 38 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: Maybe that's just me not being very good at the 39 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: outdoors issues. 40 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, well maybe it's a Kiwi thing. I'm not sure, 41 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 3: but yeah, tramping, hiking, same thing. 42 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: Yeah cool? Yeah cool. How did you first find netball 43 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: as a kid? 44 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 2: I first, I guess got into it at primary school. 45 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 3: It was sort of like the sport that my friends did, 46 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 3: and it was sort of like join a team and 47 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 3: that was it. 48 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 2: Really. I loved it from the get go. 49 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 3: It was a fun game that my friends were playing, 50 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 3: so it was like why not and then just sort 51 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 3: of carried on from there. 52 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: Really, what was it about it that you loved? 53 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 3: I think I've had this question a lot over the years, 54 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 3: and I think what I loved at the time and 55 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 3: what kept me in it is the feeling of being 56 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 3: in a team, Like you create these bonds with people, 57 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 3: like some of my best friends now have been made 58 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 3: for Nitble actually majority are from Nitble. And I think, 59 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 3: you know, it's hard to replicate feeling of feeling of 60 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 3: being in a team outside of sport. I think, like 61 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 3: you go through so much together and obviously you know, 62 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 3: when you're younger, it's a lot more fun and you 63 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 3: train once a week and you of the Saturday game 64 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 3: and you get a pie afterwards, and you know that 65 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 3: sort of stuff. That's, yeah, it's just the fun thing. 66 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 3: But later on in life, what's kept me in it, 67 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 3: I guess is, yeah, the camaraderie and the friendships and 68 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 3: the relationships the people you meet, and just like working 69 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 3: towards a goal together, like whether you achieve that or not, 70 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 3: or what you go through to get there, I think 71 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 3: is super special. 72 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: As a little kid, were there any particular athletes that 73 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: you looked up to? 74 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 3: There was obviously lots of netballers I think that I 75 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 3: looked up to, like Timer Potter Bailey, she was a 76 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 3: big one for me. And then there were people like 77 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 3: Irene Van Dyke who were just like legends, Laura Langman 78 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 3: who actually got to play with later on, which was 79 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 3: super crazy. At the start, I was like, how is 80 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 3: this even possible? Used to watch her for years growing 81 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 3: up on the TV and things like that. But I also, 82 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, not that lots of people stand out 83 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 3: right now, but I think watching the Olympics and things 84 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 3: like that as a kid was like the most fun 85 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 3: thing ever. 86 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 2: Commath games as well, all these things. 87 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 3: You just watched this amazing stuff for like a couple 88 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 3: of weeks on end, and yeah, it was really exciting. 89 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 2: I sort of love watching it as a kid. 90 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, very cool. How did your kind of talent 91 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: identification go? Like, do do you remember a point when 92 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: you were kind of like, oh, I could actually be 93 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: all right at this sport? Yeah? 94 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 2: I think probably. 95 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 3: You know, I didn't make New Zealand secondary schools teams 96 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 3: and things like that like other people did my age 97 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 3: when I was going through my school lean years, like 98 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 3: I was in rec teams and things like that, but 99 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 3: I was never recognized in my school lean years, and 100 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 3: I was like, oh. 101 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 2: You know, that's all good. I maybe won't get there. 102 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 2: I moved to Dunedin in twenty ten for university, joined 103 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 2: a club team down there and had a really good 104 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 2: coach actually, Georgie Salter. 105 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 3: And I think being in that region it was a 106 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 3: smaller region compared to other ones New Zealand, and the 107 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 3: pathway to the Steel, which is the sort of like 108 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 3: franchise team down there, was it a quick and it 109 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 3: was starting to become a reality like sort of training 110 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 3: with them and being invited to games and playing against 111 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 3: them and things. So I think that was probably when. 112 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 2: Us come like, oh maybe I, you know, would get 113 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 2: into a team like that, and I did a couple 114 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 2: of years later. So very thankful for that move for me. 115 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 3: I think it was a good sort of pathway and 116 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 3: I ended up staying there eleven years in that team, 117 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 3: so I'm really happy that I did that. 118 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: I think it's a really cool lesson and I feel 119 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: like in my sporting career I've learned a similar lesson 120 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: around like you obviously like work really hard and you 121 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: train really hard, but there's an element of opportunity and 122 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 1: kind of taking your chances when they come, is there, 123 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: like when you reflect on what that move did for 124 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: your career, Like, how do you look back on that? 125 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, I think. 126 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 3: You know, when I go to schools and netbook clubs 127 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 3: and things like that, and they do sort of a 128 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 3: Q and A and they ask, you know, what's one 129 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 3: piece of advice that you give, and I obviously it's 130 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 3: taking your opportunities differently, but I think sort of reminding 131 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 3: everyone that everyone has their own journey, Like I made 132 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 3: the Civil Friends when I was twenty five, I think, 133 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 3: and we've got people in this team now that have 134 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 3: been here since they were nineteen. 135 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 2: So it's kind of like you'll get there if you. 136 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 3: Know, you put in the hard work and your opportunity 137 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 3: will definitely come. So I think that's something that I 138 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 3: sort of try to reinforce with people, is that you 139 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 3: don't have to be really good at fifteen. 140 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 2: You know, you don't have to be. 141 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 3: The one that's like, oh, she's going to be a superstar. 142 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 3: Like people will get there if they're meant to get there. 143 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 3: And I think that's really important to sort of tell 144 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:40,559 Speaker 3: young people as well. 145 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: I feel like there's also an element, definitely an element 146 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: of patience and persistence in there, though, Like what kind 147 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: of messaging were you telling yourself throughout that period of time. 148 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think obviously it was kind of like disappointing, 149 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 3: you know, when you know people or your peers, I 150 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,239 Speaker 3: guess we're making these teams and you weren't, and things 151 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 3: like that. I think think I was still enjoying it though, 152 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 3: Like that was the massive thing for me, Like I 153 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 3: still loved it. I loved going to training, I love 154 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 3: meeting up with the girls, like doing going to tournaments 155 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 3: and things like that, and I guess that's something that 156 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,239 Speaker 3: also I got to do that people that were making 157 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 3: the Ferns earlier than me didn't. I still got to 158 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 3: go to tournament weeks under twenty ones in PC, which is 159 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 3: probably like the. 160 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 2: Most fun part of Nippel. You know, you spend a 161 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 2: week on tournament with the girls and you get up 162 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 2: to all sorts of weird things with each other. 163 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 3: So that I think that was cool as well, Like 164 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 3: I still enjoyed it, So it wasn't a big deal 165 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 3: and if it was going to happen, then that would 166 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 3: be cool. 167 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: Later on, What does a typical week look like for 168 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: you now now that you get to doing it all 169 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: semi professionally. 170 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:52,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well we're semi professional, but we're full time 171 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 3: for sure. 172 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: Yep, as a lot of women's sport often is. 173 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So a typical week with I was with 174 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 3: the Stars team this year. We train sort of we 175 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 3: have a gym and court. Monday a gym and conditioning. 176 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 3: Tuesday Wednesday is the same gym and court, so sorry, Monday, Wednesday, 177 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 3: Friday gym and court. Tuesday Thursday is like gym and conditioning, 178 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 3: and then we have a game either sort of Sunday, Monday, 179 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 3: sometimes a Saturday, which is a bit of a treat. 180 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 3: But we're sort of like three to four hours a 181 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 3: day of training pretty much, and then meetings and one 182 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 3: on ones and analysis and things. 183 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 2: Like that on top of that. So definitely busy. At 184 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 2: the same time, we do have downtime, which you know, 185 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 2: I don't want to sound unbreakful because we do work hard, 186 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 2: but we you know, we do have downtime as well. 187 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 2: But some of the girls study still and some work, 188 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 2: like I do some coaching work as well, so, yeah, 189 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 2: it's definitely like we have to keep ourselves doing something 190 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 2: house to sort of you know, fund everything, but super 191 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 2: grateful Nichol was a job for us as well. 192 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: Yes, it's quite It's a big topic of debate, particularly 193 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: in Australia at the moment. There's a lot of collective 194 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 1: bargaining agreements negotiations. I know netball have been going through 195 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: one in AFL W are going through one, Rugby league's 196 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: been going through one, and there's in this real limbo 197 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: in a way where these female athletes, as you touched on, 198 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: have full time expectations of the way that they perform 199 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: and train, but it only rewarded in a part time capacity. 200 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: Do you feel like in New Zealand it's progressing in 201 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: the right direction. 202 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 203 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 3: I think it would be terrible to say it wasn't 204 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 3: progressing because when you think that, you know, even ten 205 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 3: twenty years ago, we're in a much better place than 206 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 3: I guess the players were then and we have to, 207 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 3: you know, give thanks to those players as well because 208 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 3: they've paved the way for us to have this as 209 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 3: a job. And I think back to some legends of 210 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 3: the game, like Leslie Nichols, she was a doctor and 211 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 3: like Millie Lees as well was a doctor, and they 212 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 3: I don't understand how they could have had that job 213 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 3: and played for New Zealand as well. I just think 214 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 3: that's so amazing, and then I think, gosh, what am 215 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 3: I complaining about? Like, I, you know, we're hate to 216 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 3: do this as well, and I do a couple of 217 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 3: hours of coaching a week, like it's not that bad. 218 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 2: But it's definitely going in the right direction. 219 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 3: I think there's just there's some parts, you know, we're 220 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 3: expected to be high performance and everything that we do, 221 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 3: and then there's some parts that fall short of that 222 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 3: in terms of supporting us to be able to do that. 223 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 2: So definitely moving in the right direction. 224 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 1: Good aed So before actually, before we get into I 225 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: want to talk twenty nineteen World Cup, what has it 226 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: been like to be in New Zealand for this real 227 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: We're seeing a real movement, I think, particularly reflecting on 228 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: the Rugby World Cup over there and the Black Beans 229 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: selling out Aden Park and beating England, which was a 230 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: pretty big upset England's going in England going in as 231 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: the favorites and then New Zealand having that line out 232 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: five meters out from the track, like it was a 233 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: wild time to watch, but it was really powerful I 234 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: felt watching it from Afar and like shifting people's attitudes 235 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: around women in rugby. Do you feel like that's kind 236 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: of reverberated more widely throughout women's sport over there. 237 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's been a massive movement, and honestly, 238 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,199 Speaker 3: I think Nipple was trying to keep up with it 239 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 3: because I guess historically nipbule has been the predominant female 240 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 3: sport and it's just not anymore. 241 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 2: And I think that's amazing. 242 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 3: I think that's so cool that Rugby World Cup final, 243 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 3: the woman's one was. 244 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 2: I wasn't in New Zealand, but I spoke to my 245 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 2: dad about. 246 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 3: It and he just said it was the most exciting 247 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 3: thing that he's ever watched, the best rugby game he's 248 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 3: ever watched. And I think a lot of people felt 249 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 3: that way. And good on them, you know, like they 250 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 3: deserve to be rewarded for that campaign, and I think 251 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 3: they have absolutely transformed the way New Zealand and hopefully 252 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 3: the world, you know, looks at female rugby players and 253 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 3: I think that's super awesome. And now also we've got 254 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 3: the FEF for Women's World Cup happening in both Australian 255 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 3: New Zealand and selling out crowd most viewerships, like all 256 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 3: these record breaking things, and it's like it's just so 257 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 3: cool to see. I think it's just amazing, Like and 258 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 3: it's not just in New Zealand and Australia, it's all. 259 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 2: Over the world. 260 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 3: All these things keep popping up, like the records here, 261 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 3: records there. 262 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 2: People doing this there. 263 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 3: I just think it's definitely a movement and everyone needs 264 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 3: to jump on board if they haven't already. 265 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more. Let's look at the twenty nineteen 266 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 1: World Cup before the World ended in twenty twenty. Can 267 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: you talk us through going into that the final of 268 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:35,359 Speaker 1: the World Cup in twenty nineteen. 269 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 3: Oh gosh, I was super nervous. That's definitely the most 270 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 3: nervous I've ever been. And wow, my cramps and everything 271 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 3: like that. 272 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 2: It was just it was terrible. 273 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 3: And it was in Liverpool and I think there's about 274 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 3: I think it was like over ten thousand people in 275 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 3: the stadium, and it. 276 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 2: Was super loud. 277 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 3: Like the semi final women played England as well, obviously 278 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 3: their home home team. It was would have been very 279 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 3: loud definitely definitely loud. I couldn't even hear the umpire 280 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 3: like it was just it was a lot. 281 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 2: So I think when we got into that final, I'd 282 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 2: like to say that a lot of the English supporters 283 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 2: sort of came onto our side, I think more so 284 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 2: just like under. 285 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 1: There is definitely a bit of hatred I think between 286 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: England and Australia in a sporting context of times. So 287 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: I'm not surprised. 288 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so that was that was nice for us, 289 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 3: I think, but I yeah, walking out onto the court, 290 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 3: it was just kind of like, because Knowles are coaches 291 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 3: as we were going through that tournament sort of said 292 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 3: to us, you know, when you walk out onto the 293 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 3: cour wave to the crowd, you know, like li soap 294 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 3: in the moment, you know you're never potentially never going 295 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 3: to be here again. People don't get to do this 296 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 3: like you're one of twelve doing this right now. And 297 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 3: I think that sort of sunk in when I walked 298 00:13:57,679 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 3: out there and for the locked up at all these 299 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 3: people and was like, oh my gosh, that this is 300 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 3: a World Cup final. Yeah, there was a lot of 301 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 3: things going in around the team at that time that 302 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 3: sort of made it like, oh, this is just amazing 303 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 3: that we're here, like all that we had sort of 304 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 3: been through to get there, and we had our fossils 305 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 3: that we liked to call them, Laura Langmon Maria Falao 306 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 3: and Casey Savage. 307 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 2: They I think they sort of took it on themselves 308 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 2: and then we were allowed to call them that as well. 309 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: Okay had to go permission in writing. 310 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 2: And if Knowles called them that, then it was all 311 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 2: good for everyone else to say it. But they that 312 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 2: was like. 313 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 3: Their third and fourth World Cup sort of thing, and 314 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 3: they hadn't been able to get the gold and looking 315 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 3: at them it was like to light, all right, we 316 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 3: didn't feel confident, but confident in the fact that we 317 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 3: knew we could push Australia. We had lost it them 318 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 3: by one earlier in the rounds, and yeah, just I 319 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 3: can't describe the feeling after that last was all went 320 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 3: and we had won and it yes, definitely probably the best. 321 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 2: Thing that's happened in my life. 322 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 3: I think, like it's still surreal that it even happened, Like, yeah, 323 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 3: it's just a cool thing. 324 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: That's very cool. This episode is brought to you by 325 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: the Athletes Foot, proudly supporting women in sports. Since nineteen 326 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: seventy six. Start every game on the right foot with 327 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: the right fit. Get fitted in store today or online 328 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: at the athletesfoot dot com for netball, football, running and recovery. 329 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: Now that's fit. And then in twenty twenty one you 330 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: named captain of the Silver Ferns. What was that experience 331 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: like for you to be named in such a prestigious role. 332 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was, Oh, it was a lot of things. 333 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 3: I sort of obviously was never going to say no 334 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 3: to it, but I felt quite scared, apprehensive all of 335 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 3: those sorts of things going into it. It's obviously a 336 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 3: mess of earned privilege, and you know, there's sort of 337 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 3: only eleven or twelve captains I think over that time 338 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 3: and over the entirety of it. So yeah, I sort 339 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 3: of felt the pressure straight away as well, Like, you know, 340 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 3: your captain is someone that always does their job. 341 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 2: You know, they don't fall under pressure. 342 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 3: They know what they're doing, they always know the game 343 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 3: plan that come you know, all these things that I 344 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 3: was kind of like, am i am I that person? 345 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 3: But yeah, it taught me a lot of lessons, I think, 346 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 3: And I became captain because our captain fell pregnant. Amili 347 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 3: Rand and I think sort of knowing that I was 348 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 3: sort of caretaking that role for a little while was 349 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 3: quite nice as well. It was like a cool opportunity 350 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 3: for me. We went through Calm Games last year as 351 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 3: well that I was keptain for so at. 352 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 2: A Pinnacle event. 353 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 3: You know, it was an awesome opportunity and I got 354 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 3: to lead it really not young, but you know, sort 355 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 3: of up and coming group, and I think that was 356 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 3: also a really experience for me, being able to sort 357 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 3: of grow and learn with this group that was up 358 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 3: and coming, sort of coming into this world cup yere 359 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 3: as well, and you know, handing it back to Emilian 360 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 3: and now I feel a lot better in myself in 361 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 3: terms of being vice captain now and being able to 362 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 3: support her and totally comfortable with my role and how 363 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 3: I can do that. 364 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's been a whirlwind, but been a great experience. 365 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: It's actually quite refreshing to hear you talk about the 366 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: fear and apprehension that you initially felt, because I think 367 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 1: so often, probably kids who are looking up to athletes, 368 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: it's not really something that's discussed. And I think there's 369 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 1: this idea that as an elite athlete, you almost have 370 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: to be like ready to go and have all these 371 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 1: mental skills and all of these things to overcome those 372 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 1: kind of feelings. But I think it's really cool that 373 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 1: you can be like, I don't know if I was 374 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: ready to do that at that point in time. 375 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 3: Definitely, I think, Yeah, there's a lot that's come out, 376 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 3: you know, recently as well. You know, athletesally talking about 377 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 3: mental health and how they feel about themselves. And look, 378 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 3: I'm not saying that I had mental health issues or 379 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 3: anything like that, but the fear was definitely there, and 380 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,239 Speaker 3: I had to call on a lot of people and 381 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 3: sort of like talk through it with them just to 382 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 3: make sure that this was definitely something that I could do. 383 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 3: And I guess, you know, the fear of it is 384 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 3: because you want to do it well. You don't want 385 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 3: to let anyone down, or yourself down, or the team 386 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 3: and things like that. But like I said, it's never 387 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 3: going to let that opportunity go and just sort of 388 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 3: had to dive in and work it out. 389 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 2: As I was going, really, what is. 390 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: Your leadership style? Like you sound quite comfortable being in 391 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: that vice captain role. How would you describe the way 392 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 1: that you lead the team now, Yeah. 393 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm definitely feeling pretty comfortable, which is nice. I think. 394 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 3: You know, after that twenty nineteen World Cup, we sort 395 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 3: of had a mass exodus of our leaders and we 396 00:18:58,040 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 3: were sort of that next group that's taken it up. 397 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 2: It's been a few years. 398 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 3: Now that we've worked on ourselves and sort of progress 399 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 3: through the years. I think my leadership style is I 400 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 3: can be quite direct, like I'll. 401 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 2: Say something if I want to say something, But also 402 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 2: on the. 403 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 3: Flip side, I totally love to like bring the fun 404 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 3: and pull the group together as much as possible, like 405 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 3: adding little gains and activities in. 406 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 2: On the side, pretty organized, I would say, like around 407 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 2: the schedule and things like that and keeping up to 408 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 2: keeping up with it all. 409 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 3: I think, and that's something that I guess works in 410 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 3: a leadership group with Amelia and Jane is that we're 411 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 3: all so different and the things that I bring help 412 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,719 Speaker 3: lift the group up because they've got qualities that I 413 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 3: definitely don't. So yeah, I think sort of hopefully well 414 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 3: rounded and get in there into the nitty gritty if 415 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 3: I have to. 416 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 2: I like that. 417 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 1: I like it. Do you have, across your career as 418 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: a player or as a leader a favorite failure? 419 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 2: Yeah? 420 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 3: There's definitely lots of failures over time, and I think 421 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 3: that's all part of it, isn't it to have those 422 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 3: along the way. You know, There's some games that I 423 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 3: can think of, sort of in finals and things like 424 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 3: that that we've lost, but that's probably not. 425 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:20,360 Speaker 2: The one that stands out. 426 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 3: I messed out on the twenty eighteen Comwealth Games, and 427 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 3: I sort of had been in the ferns for maybe 428 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,479 Speaker 3: nearly two years leading up to that stage, so I 429 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 3: obviously didn't think I was, you know, a Suman or 430 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 3: anything like that, but I thought I had an alright 431 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 3: chance of getting in, you know, sort of being there 432 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 3: for that long leading into it, and then messed out 433 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 3: on that team, which was so devastating at the time, 434 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 3: but I got to well because I missed out, I 435 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 3: got to have a full preseason with my franchise team, 436 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 3: and following that had like a really good season with 437 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 3: them leading into that next group that was going to 438 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 3: be picked for twenty nineteen World Cups. 439 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 2: So a blessing in disguise. 440 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 3: Everything happens for a reason, all that sort of stuff, 441 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 3: because yeah, it definitely led me to good things in 442 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 3: the next year, and I think it was quite nice. 443 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 3: I got to just focus on what was happening right 444 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 3: in front of me, and it also taught me in 445 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 3: years to come that you can't, you know, look too 446 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 3: far ahead. You just got to focus on what's happening 447 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 3: in the here and now and the rest will take 448 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 3: care of itself. 449 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: I like that we're on while we're recording this from 450 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 1: the eve of the twenty twenty three World Cup. This 451 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: episode will likely come out next week once you've already 452 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: started playing. But what is your preparation like for an 453 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: event as big as this? 454 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, So we've spent the last sort of six weeks together, 455 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 2: which has been quite nice. It's definitely a luxury. 456 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 3: I guess we had our competition finished earlier than other countries, 457 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 3: so we've sort of been together sort of half a 458 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 3: week out of every week the last six weeks, which 459 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 3: has been tough for sure. Like lots of training camps. 460 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 3: I think we've sort of had three in New Zealand 461 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 3: and we had one on the Sunny Coast actually which 462 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 3: was pretty hard, and we've had one in Cape Town 463 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 3: before sort of coming into the World Cup space as well. 464 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 3: So it's all about learning our new systems. Our coach 465 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 3: Knowles has been She watched a lot of NBA over 466 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 3: the past few months, which is that for her, she's 467 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 3: like fully nettle brain, like the smartest coach out and 468 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,439 Speaker 3: she's taken all of these things from basketball and so 469 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 3: has completely transformed our defensive structures. So that's pretty much 470 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 3: our prep at the moment has been learning these new 471 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 3: structures in systems and trying to just execute them time 472 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 3: after time. Sort of their adaptable as well, which is 473 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 3: cooled depending on who we play against. You know, we've 474 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 3: got a lot of different netball game styles in the 475 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 3: World Cup. There's the African style, then sort of Ossie 476 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 3: in England are sort of the same. Then there's sort 477 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 3: of like the Jamaicans and you know. 478 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 2: We call them the Palm Tree group. 479 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 3: That's like there's sort of that that group that play 480 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 3: different to everyone else as well. So we've been learning 481 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 3: how to sort of adapt our game plan to countries 482 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 3: that we come up against because we're playing all sorts 483 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 3: of people. We've got Trinidan and Tobago, Singapore and Uganda 484 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 3: who actually really challenged us last year at Cornwath Games. 485 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 2: So yeah, that's what it's been all about. 486 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 3: Recently and just making sure that we're you know, fit 487 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 3: and healthy and although I don't sound too random, but nasally, 488 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 3: you know, getting ready to play eight games in ten day, 489 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 3: that's what it's all about. 490 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 1: What isn't it? How does your how do your bodies 491 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: go with that? It's quite a quick turnaround. 492 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. 493 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 3: We sort of play four games in a row, have 494 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 3: a day off to day off too, so when we 495 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 3: tell people from other sports. I know, one of the 496 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 3: girls was having a conversation with a rugby player the 497 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 3: other day saying, you know, we play eight games and 498 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 3: ten dates and he was like, are you kidding me? 499 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 2: Like they like they say one a week. 500 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 3: It's yeah, the difference is quite interesting, I think. But yeah, 501 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 3: recovery is obviously huge, and the lead up is massive 502 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 3: as well, you know, making sure we can handle the load. 503 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 2: And our SEMC trainer. 504 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 3: Is very good at sort of obviously you know, doing 505 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 3: the trainings for us, but keeping us informed of how 506 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 3: we're looking and our GPS and things tells us you know, 507 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 3: what load we're handling and how it's going to look 508 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 3: in World Cup and that we've actually been there before 509 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 3: and things like that. 510 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 2: So it's all very yeah, high tech. 511 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: These days, all the data, isn't it. 512 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 3: It's crazy what you couldn't find out and know And 513 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 3: so I'm glad that you know, he looks after that 514 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 3: and we don't have to worry too much about it. 515 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 1: Very nice. And you talked about the twenty nineteen final, 516 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 1: the level of nerves that you felt. Do you feel like, 517 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: individually heading into twenty twenty three you're in a different 518 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: headspace and equipped with some different skills to deal with 519 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:10,479 Speaker 1: those nerves. 520 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 521 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 3: I do think I'm in a different head space for sure, obviously, 522 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 3: like it's four years later, a bit older, and experience 523 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 3: a lot more, a lot more games and series. I 524 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 3: guess with the Ferns group, which has been cool. Right now, 525 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 3: I'm feeling pretty like come and you know, collected. But 526 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 3: I think, you know, all things going well will likely 527 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 3: come across Jamaica or South Africa at some point, maybe 528 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 3: even before the Semis. So when it comes down to 529 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 3: that time, I think it could be a different story. 530 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,719 Speaker 3: But it's all about, you know, embracing that moment and 531 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 3: can you stay composed under pressure? And I guess the 532 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 3: position that I played wing attack, you know, that's pretty 533 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 3: massive for me, Like I need to be able to 534 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 3: make good decisions under pressure and serve our shooters pretty 535 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 3: much that that's my job is just to like give 536 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 3: them the best that I can. 537 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 2: And you know. 538 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 3: They've got the hardest job of putting the ball through 539 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 3: the hoop, so I think that's going to be messive 540 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 3: for me. This tournament is yeah, staying calm under pressure 541 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 3: and really giving out that sort of feel to the 542 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 3: group and doing as much as I can for our 543 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 3: shooters that have to do all the hard work for us. 544 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 1: They've got the most pressure. Man, I would hate to 545 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: be a shooter. It makes me so nervous sometimes watching 546 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: it's horrible. 547 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 2: Honestly, even training that like go Heather shot and I 548 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 2: like freeze up. I'm like, I can't do it. I 549 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 2: don't know how you do this. 550 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: Oh it's stressful, very stressful. And then post World Cup 551 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 1: I read that you're going to be taking an extended 552 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: break from netball. How did you come to make that decision? 553 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 3: Yes, I am, Oh gosh, it was very emotional throughout 554 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 3: sort of the season, I guess trying to make that decision. 555 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 2: I sort of all knew that this is. 556 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 3: Probably a right time, you know, after a Pinnacle event, 557 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,719 Speaker 3: I'm going to be thirty two in December and not 558 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 3: saying that's super old, but you know, it's sort of 559 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 3: a fossile year. Yeah, and I think, like my partner 560 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 3: lives in New York at the moment. He plays rugby 561 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,199 Speaker 3: over there, and it's just a cool life experience. Like 562 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 3: I spent a couple of months their last year after 563 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 3: COMWAFT games, and it's the coolest city. And you know 564 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 3: he's not going to be there forever either, so spending 565 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 3: time with him and I guess doing something that we 566 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 3: wouldn't be able to do, you know, usually when we're 567 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 3: playing netball. 568 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 2: So yeah, it was tough. I think I. 569 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 3: Could potentially regret it when everyone starts up with their 570 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 3: season and I'm seeing everything and I'm like, oh god, what. 571 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:43,959 Speaker 2: Have I done. 572 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 3: But I'm feeling pretty comfortable with the decision right now, 573 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 3: and you know, all the focuses on this World Cup 574 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 3: and then hopefully afterwards get to enjoy things, you know, 575 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 3: outside of netball. 576 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really nice. Well, it's been awesome to have 577 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 1: a chat with you today, and I'm wishing you the 578 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: best of luck in the World Cup until you cross 579 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: over with the Diamonds, and then I'll wish you half 580 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: the luck maybe, but YE can't wait to watch and 581 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: hope it goes really well for you all. 582 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 3: Amazing, Thanks Choe, It's been great, awesome love your guys stuff. 583 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 2: By the way, I've been watching it forever. 584 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: Oh, thank you so much. I appreciate that. Thanks so 585 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: much for listening. 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