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Speaker 1: At this rate, we have beef with every community. But
Speaker 1: I feel like that is the spice of life. A
Speaker 1: little bit of conflicte keeps the blood flow up, cortisol
Speaker 1: levels slightly above average. But I think that works best
Speaker 1: for both of us real estate agents. Look, I don't
Speaker 1: want to be on your back, right, don't kick the
Speaker 1: little one when he's down, but unfortunately disappointed. Huh no,
Speaker 1: ignore me? Are you the little one?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Nah, someone else.
Speaker 1: Don't do that to your jobs. Sabe you're a big dog.
Speaker 1: But yeah, for me has been houseless, which I don't
Speaker 1: want to say we saw coming. But when you plan
Speaker 1: a euro trip and know that your lease is up
Speaker 1: before you get back, I feel like that was bound
Speaker 1: to happen.
Speaker 2: Hidrata and a high drama experience. I don't know, but
Speaker 2: it was worth it. Yeah, paid no rent in Europe,
Speaker 2: came back to a rental crisis. Wasn't saying that coming,
Speaker 2: but eventually becoming a better person one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: So here is the thing. I feel like we should
Speaker 1: all mass migrate to Hobart. I've started for us. There's
Speaker 1: something about going to live in a city where you
Speaker 1: haven't missed the boat on every opportunity ever, you know,
Speaker 1: like something about Sydney. I remember when I was in
Speaker 1: high school, my mom was like, oh my goodness, like,
Speaker 1: it's so hard to live, so hard to do this,
Speaker 1: hard to do this. You can't even buy things inexpensive anymore.
Speaker 1: I was trying to get a sausage roll the other day.
Speaker 1: I didn't even like sausage rolls. My earliest memory with
Speaker 1: one was when I had a sausage roll and pineapple
Speaker 1: chunks in primary school, came home vomited it up. Anyway,
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to like, I'm trying to eat more foods,
Speaker 1: like different types of food. Do I want to get
Speaker 1: a sausage roll as at the airport? Why is it
Speaker 1: eleven dollars?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, an airport sausage roll is never going.
Speaker 1: To really hit anyway. So that's neither here nor there,
Speaker 1: but it is plaguing my mind. What hasn't been, though,
Speaker 1: is your living situation, which unfortunately for me is not
Speaker 1: great but.
Speaker 2: Fortunately for you, is getting better. Anyway, let's speed it up,
Speaker 2: spice it up up. Next is a voice note from
Speaker 2: a friend explaining what another friend did potentially the worst
Speaker 2: pocket dial adjacent experience that I've heard of in recent times.
Speaker 2: But that's coming up next on the podcast Let's Go.
Speaker 2: I am currently in the process of looking for a house.
Speaker 2: As we know, here in Sydney there's a rental crisis.
Speaker 2: There's also a rental crisis all around Australia, but in
Speaker 2: the Sydney's Eastern Subway, where I have chosen.
Speaker 3: To live, it's particularly bad.
Speaker 2: You gotta pay a premium, and that premium happens to
Speaker 2: have gone up by twenty percent, and I'm a tired ass.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be spending my money on rent.
Speaker 3: I spend money on a mortgage. SIS is not there yet.
Speaker 2: However, I'm looking for a three bedroom house, which is
Speaker 2: particularly difficult.
Speaker 1: You don't really come across three bedroom houses. It's not
Speaker 1: in two bedrooms, one study type of thing. Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2: So a friend of mine went to that. I've got
Speaker 2: moving with two friends. A friend of mine went and
Speaker 2: looked at a house for us. But this other friend's
Speaker 2: going to tell the story.
Speaker 1: Okay, cool with me.
Speaker 4: So we've recently been looking for houses across the eastern
Speaker 4: suburbs of Sydney, and as you know, it's extremely competitive.
Speaker 4: So our game plan was to really butter up the
Speaker 4: real estate agents, like really schmooz them, be their best friend, like,
Speaker 4: be really friendly inspections because financially we aren't able to
Speaker 4: give them like two hundred dollars above the offer. So
Speaker 4: our friend she went to one of the inspections, first
Speaker 4: met the real estate agent like, had a really good
Speaker 4: like chat to him, and then was messaging him and
Speaker 4: send him a message saying looking forward to hearing back
Speaker 4: from you today. Had such a great time, loved the apartment,
Speaker 4: and then she went to message me, but messaged him
Speaker 4: again and said residential real estate agents are just the
Speaker 4: worst people.
Speaker 1: And then he.
Speaker 4: Replied, I suppose that Texas not meant for me?
Speaker 1: Or was it?
Speaker 4: Cheers.
Speaker 1: It's been a long time since I've been embarrassed, and
Speaker 1: that is so embarrassing.
Speaker 2: Residential real estate agents not the worst, the worst people.
Speaker 2: That is the craziest thing about I can't believe this
Speaker 2: actually happened. And in the time since, I have stopped
Speaker 2: looking with these two women only because the appearance of
Speaker 2: a three bedroom house in the eastern suburbs who are
Speaker 2: looking very grim.
Speaker 1: But I think they're in a bit.
Speaker 2: Of a pickle because now their names are on file
Speaker 2: for this very prestigious, very well known real estate. Like,
Speaker 2: if you were the guy and you've got a message
Speaker 2: like that, surely you put him on a blacklist?
Speaker 1: Is the blacklist real?
Speaker 3: I don't know, Like, anyone here a real estate agent?
Speaker 1: Are you honest? Be honest? Has anyone been blacklisted or
Speaker 1: has experience with someone who's been blacklisted? Oh? You have fives?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but you're not a real estate babe. I
Speaker 1: don't believe black Wow. Do you think it's like a
Speaker 1: really sophisticated scare tactic? If we're all assuming there's this
Speaker 1: like blacklist that we're all trying not to be on,
Speaker 1: and so we are on the side of caution, We're
Speaker 1: trying not to be like prickly or do anything so
Speaker 1: we don't get blacklisted. But there's this many people in
Speaker 1: a room, and we know how many people and nobody
Speaker 1: knows of anyone who's been blacklisted. Maybe it's fake.
Speaker 2: Oh, I think blacklisting exists, I just mean more in
Speaker 2: a real estate capacity, or.
Speaker 1: Like, what is a blacklist? Is it a physical list.
Speaker 2: Is there like a network of people putting them into
Speaker 2: a document.
Speaker 1: I mean this is assuming that to the real estate agent,
Speaker 1: your friend's names were that memorable.
Speaker 2: I mean it's pretty it's pretty funny, Like if you
Speaker 2: were him, you'd be screen showing it sending around you know,
Speaker 2: bella property or.
Speaker 1: You're the Rubenstein group.
Speaker 3: We should you Gavin on this segment.
Speaker 1: See what how you respond? I mean, I reckon, you'll
Speaker 1: be fine. To be honest, you might not be fine.
Speaker 1: I was. I saw a video that Domain posted a
Speaker 1: little like Tiki talking whatever, of seventy people lining up
Speaker 1: for seven hundred a week two bedroom. Generally that's not unusual, yep.
Speaker 1: I would never line like, if that's why people are going,
Speaker 1: it's done. You're not getting the apartment, just tap out.
Speaker 1: I know, but someone's gonna win it. I don't know
Speaker 1: about all that. To be fair, I feel like that
Speaker 1: story was worthwhile just to say it's been done before. Personally,
Speaker 1: I want all my interactions with my real estate. If
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have any kind of commotion, I want to
Speaker 1: be postly signing total I'm going ham I don't even
Speaker 1: care anymore. I feel like I've been like seamonged into
Speaker 1: being like, don't do this, don't say this. It's not
Speaker 1: charity work, especially renting in Sydney. You're gonna hear from
Speaker 1: me King.
Speaker 2: I'm very excited hopefully I've heard that there might be
Speaker 2: a tenant. You know how we have to give like
Speaker 2: good referra. We have to get referrals to be given
Speaker 2: a house. I think now there's talk about being getting
Speaker 2: well who are the people that win them.
Speaker 3: Or landlord landlord references?
Speaker 1: Wouldn't that TikTok mean?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: But no, it's a thing.
Speaker 3: And there it was that comedian that started at what's
Speaker 3: his name?
Speaker 1: Tom?
Speaker 2: Do you dny when I'll see that TikTok or that
Speaker 2: comedian and be like, yeah, we need to get landlords
Speaker 2: giving references. I literally read an article that's like this
Speaker 2: actually might happen.
Speaker 1: But not to be devil's I'd recur. But even if
Speaker 1: there are landlord references, rent is still on in the
Speaker 1: position where even having that reference is going to make
Speaker 1: easier for them to find a place to live. Like
Speaker 1: the point remains that like it is like a systemic
Speaker 1: issue where houses are a commodity. Therefore people will never
Speaker 1: be able to fairly get you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do. So put the pressure on your real estate agent.
Speaker 1: Why you're in a mutual agreement anyway? Were he If
Speaker 1: we're going to suffer, let's both suffer.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm calling up for the mold.
Speaker 2: I'm calling up for any little things, little ship on
Speaker 2: the wall, I'm calling.
Speaker 1: Then I'm like, the TAP's leaking, and they're like, did
Speaker 1: you check? No, you fix it?
Speaker 3: Anyway, that's on that well rapitch that guy.
Speaker 1: I honestly thought it's going to be a voice member
Speaker 1: from the real estate agent. You geat it up? Oh
Speaker 1: imagine that.
Speaker 2: I mean, was it worth a payoff for your paddler, Yeah,
Speaker 2: sympathy paddles.
Speaker 1: They would never do that, would never do that. If
Speaker 1: you are someone who is spending a lot of time
Speaker 1: on the Internet, you've definitely heard people speak about how
Speaker 1: social media is rotting our brains and our attention span
Speaker 1: is terrible, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And as
Speaker 1: someone who is trying to not shame myself about enjoying
Speaker 1: the fruits of the Internet's labor, I've been thinking about, like,
Speaker 1: what is the big deal? Like, yes, let's say TikTok
Speaker 1: is rotting our brains? What will be saving them for?
Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm saying, Like, if that's not
Speaker 1: going to rute our brains, what do we need the
Speaker 1: full brain capacity to do? Yeah? Yeah, do you see
Speaker 1: what I'm saying? This is my thing. I just don't
Speaker 1: like that somehow we can take a bunch of like
Speaker 1: joyous things and then just like change them for a
Speaker 1: counter conversation devil's advocate narrative. And I'm a devil's advocate,
Speaker 1: so I get it. It's fun to idate about, like, well,
Speaker 1: like what's this different side of the story, But then
Speaker 1: we get to the point where we like shame and
Speaker 1: demonize fun things. I know there are heaps of people
Speaker 1: who are like, oh no, Like I definitely have a
Speaker 1: terrible relationship with my body because of social media, and
Speaker 1: I definitely have like you know, indoctrinated myself or internalized
Speaker 1: a lot of bad ideas. But for the vast majority,
Speaker 1: every day it brings you joy, access to your friends,
Speaker 1: access to broader ideas, lifestyles you would never have experienced before.
Speaker 1: And every day you come home talking about spraiunning my
Speaker 1: brain new slash. We weren't using it. Well, anyway, I
Speaker 1: don't know anyone before social media who was really challenging.
Speaker 1: I mean aside from the philosophers. And even then, like
Speaker 1: you really look at what philosophers were riding and it
Speaker 1: was just like thoughts, okay, what I was like, if
Speaker 1: a tree falls in the forest and nobody hears that
Speaker 1: didn't make a sound? Yeah, genius, be real, be for real?
Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm saying. So even before then,
Speaker 1: we weren't even doing much. And have you seen Limitless?
Speaker 1: Paddles up? Who's seen Limitless with Bradley Cooper? You got
Speaker 1: you know what? You know what action movies? Wow, tough crap. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Limitless is this movie, this action movie with Bradley Cooper,
Speaker 1: and he takes his pill that is meant to give
Speaker 1: him access to his full brain capacity. He takes this
Speaker 1: pill that takes him from about eight percent brain capacity,
Speaker 1: which is like average is what we all have, to
Speaker 1: the full one hundred and he's like, whoa, Like I'm
Speaker 1: seeing four dy five D, I smell, taste, I taste
Speaker 1: sense or whatever. And then so I was thinking about
Speaker 1: that and it's like by the end of the movie
Speaker 1: it was too much for him. He was like I
Speaker 1: don't need all of this, Like I'm a prisoner in
Speaker 1: my own simple man, literally, And so I'm thinking even
Speaker 1: with us, like we are so sure that without this
Speaker 1: thing that is rotting our brains that we weren't already
Speaker 1: gonna be rotted anyway, now we get pleasure out of
Speaker 1: it totally.
Speaker 2: Who feels I'm gotta be diplomatic about this, don't do that.
Speaker 2: Who feels that TikTok positively impects their life in a
Speaker 2: sense that even if it wasn't addictive, you would still
Speaker 2: love it?
Speaker 1: Wow? Okay.
Speaker 2: Who feels as if they've seen something really awful that
Speaker 2: they wish they didn't see on TikTok?
Speaker 1: Can you say what you saw? Just any ideas? Not traumaduant,
Speaker 1: But I'm curious, let's rephrase that for the real world. Yeah,
Speaker 1: who thinks that they have experienced joy from life paddles up?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Who was experienced and they wouldn't want to experience in life?
Speaker 2: Up?
Speaker 1: Yeah? It was always going to happen, true, true, And
Speaker 1: I think it's such a cop out to attribute it
Speaker 1: all to an app that didn't come with a ruled book,
Speaker 1: didn't come with a guide book. Removing all of your
Speaker 1: agency to be like this app is the reason why
Speaker 1: or why not lazy.
Speaker 2: However, I will say TikTok is very interesting in showing
Speaker 2: you what your mind is doing at one point. Like
Speaker 2: let's say you feel really sad, but you haven't put
Speaker 2: your finger on it. The shit that TikTok is giving
Speaker 2: you is showing you what's actually wrong.
Speaker 3: Like I'll be like, do I feel bad? Do I
Speaker 3: not feel bad? And then I'll start getting all these
Speaker 3: like depression tiktoks.
Speaker 1: So that's a placebo.
Speaker 2: No I swear, I swear, and it comes to other instances.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about this more in depth in
Speaker 2: a different scenario, but if you've ever experienced disordered eating,
Speaker 2: sorry to go there.
Speaker 1: Trigger warning.
Speaker 2: There was a period in my life where it was bad,
Speaker 2: like a year ago. I would get so many eating
Speaker 2: disordered tiktoks, like people going through it, people talking about
Speaker 2: what they ate in a day, like it, to the
Speaker 2: point where I'm sure that the algorithm is doing it,
Speaker 2: Like there's absolutely no ifs and butts, because now I
Speaker 2: don't get any of that.
Speaker 3: I don't get any ed tiktoks.
Speaker 1: But how do you think an algorithm works?
Speaker 2: Well, it's still It's what I'm trying to say is
Speaker 2: like I didn't ask to see that content. I didn't
Speaker 2: actually actively seek it out. I would scroll past them,
Speaker 2: but they would still come up because it's looking at
Speaker 2: my face.
Speaker 3: Because Tiktoks sees your face.
Speaker 1: It definitely does track your eye movements though, so it
Speaker 1: can see when you're enjoying stuff. I still love it.
Speaker 2: I'm still on the top twisted, but just saying, can
Speaker 2: you see what it does in ten years?
Speaker 1: I'm a fearmonger. I'll say nothing more. Big icon energy.
Speaker 2: So something that I've noticed with FLEXI lately is her
Speaker 2: lexicon changing and shifting.
Speaker 1: Flex and I spend.
Speaker 2: Quite a lot of time together just talking pretty much
Speaker 2: just in a radio based capacity, Like we don't really
Speaker 2: share that many thoughts outside of the studio. We keep
Speaker 2: them to ourselves and then we dump them in the
Speaker 2: studio and we go on and live our lives. Let's
Speaker 2: tell creative integrity, work life balance. But someone that I've
Speaker 2: noticed flex do lately, it started last week.
Speaker 1: She's coming into the.
Speaker 2: Office three weeks, but we'll take and she comes in
Speaker 2: using a very particular vernacular that I've only ever heard
Speaker 2: in high school, with a certain demographic footy lads. Flex
Speaker 2: has started speaking like a footy lad.
Speaker 3: It started out with.
Speaker 2: A phrase that I think we started using a few
Speaker 2: months ago.
Speaker 3: But you've just picked it up with steam.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that is getting near it? Correct? You put
Speaker 1: your paddle up?
Speaker 3: If you know what that means?
Speaker 1: Getting near it? Anyone? Yeah? Can I ask you what
Speaker 1: you think it means?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: There close? Anyone else? Come on? Someone screaming out?
Speaker 3: What's getting near it?
Speaker 1: Yes? My god?
Speaker 2: The man in sitting in the back of the room
Speaker 2: with glasses on in a tracksuit.
Speaker 1: Who is that? I would also say, but I would
Speaker 1: all say to be fair, it has a broad range
Speaker 1: of meetings. Like if I'm saying something's cooked, what do
Speaker 1: you think cooked means?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Cool? Exactly? Is it cool? Is it crazy? Is it uncomfortable?
Speaker 1: Is it weird? It's all of it. Getting near it
Speaker 1: is specifically sexy. No, I don't think so.
Speaker 3: Getting near it? Well, what did I say this sort
Speaker 3: of say?
Speaker 2: There is a very particular vernacular that he's been created
Speaker 2: in charge rooms, in footy boys, old boys, footy boys,
Speaker 2: in school AFL rooms. You see it when they do
Speaker 2: the live telecasts.
Speaker 3: Getting near it?
Speaker 2: What are some others salad you know what that means.
Speaker 2: I don't tossing salad the hair in your head like
Speaker 2: you've got a rough salad, or you got a rough lid.
Speaker 1: That means you're ugly.
Speaker 3: Oh what else have I got here? Day for it?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, day for it?
Speaker 2: Clack class, fun, punching, cutting grass, and a bit of alright,
Speaker 2: what I've noticed a lot of these are very sex oriented.
Speaker 1: I mean, for you, I just think, Okay, so here's
Speaker 1: my thing, Like I'm area's thinking about language. And I
Speaker 1: spoke before about how, like my greatest thing, like my life, ick,
Speaker 1: the thing that really like frustrates me, is misunderstood, And
Speaker 1: I was thinking about how much time I spent trying
Speaker 1: to find the perfect words and the perfect verbiage to
Speaker 1: perfectly communicate whatever. It's all just a leaders and boring.
Speaker 1: I just want to use all the words. And I
Speaker 1: often find that, like you've said, you've attributed this type
Speaker 1: of language to the type of person. It's so exclusionary,
Speaker 1: and I feel like that's the issue with how people
Speaker 1: approach language generally, is like, if you speak a certain way,
Speaker 1: then you must be this person, and therefore we only
Speaker 1: allow you to like see the world through that particular lens,
Speaker 1: and I just don't like it because I feel like
Speaker 1: it's doing the opposite of what language should do, which
Speaker 1: is unite and connect and bridge the gap in understanding.
Speaker 1: And so now when I see language, I just like
Speaker 1: incorporate it in hopes that it gives me the kind
Speaker 1: of understanding to talk to more people or to make
Speaker 1: people more comfortable with speaking to me.
Speaker 3: Interesting, so we're appealing to a new audience.
Speaker 1: Are you regrets it's generally in life. I just I
Speaker 1: would hate the idea of someone being like, oh, I
Speaker 1: can't speak to her or speak with her because I can.
Speaker 1: She's like she's giving me a vibe that says that
Speaker 1: she wouldn't understand me, or like she wouldn't allow for
Speaker 1: this type of conversation. But you can all stay. I'll
Speaker 1: determine it after you've spoken, not Throst and Block, but
Speaker 1: you know what it is, Footy Boy.
Speaker 2: Inclusion is very, very important at the Flex and Froom show.
Speaker 1: But there's also something about we were speaking about it earlier.
Speaker 1: You know, like when you're in high school, you learn
Speaker 1: how to use a billion words to say nothing like
Speaker 1: essay approach, like in order to unpack the thing of
Speaker 1: the word it's okay too much, and then you might
Speaker 1: overcorrect and not know how to articulate yourself because you
Speaker 1: want to oversimplify everything. Everything's a vibe, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everything's vibe. It's vibes, you know, and it's like, okay, so,
Speaker 1: but what does that mean. I'm trying to find the
Speaker 1: way to like do all of it, you know, use
Speaker 1: as many words or as little words and still have
Speaker 1: as like validating the connection with people and it's fun.
Speaker 2: And just before we head onto the next break, I
Speaker 2: was having a comes with someone the other day. What
Speaker 2: did we used to say before he said sleigh? Yeah,
Speaker 2: people just say, oh, slay, slay, slay to anything. Does
Speaker 2: anyone remember I swear there was a word before Literally
Speaker 2: it's the slay sligh.
Speaker 1: No, I don't say sleigh that much.
Speaker 2: Put your paddle up sleigh swag Yeah maybe No, who
Speaker 2: said swag swaggy swaggy? I would have said that's hot,
Speaker 2: but I just didn't graduate from Paris Hilton. Anyway, if
Speaker 2: you come up with what we said before slay, please
Speaker 2: see me.
Speaker 1: It's plaguing my brother. Nah vie stay sick. Vibe is
Speaker 1: less new than slay right.
Speaker 3: Oh, love it, love it.
Speaker 6: And then before Vibe there was mint No yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 6: thank you, but that was.
Speaker 1: So long ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's what I mean. That was yes, Vibe slay.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's there's a few things in between
Speaker 1: anything else. Period. It was period on fleek. It was
Speaker 1: on fleek.
Speaker 3: We're gonna rile these down the break. Yeah, this is
Speaker 3: why I love a period. That's why I love a
Speaker 3: last shooting audience FLEXI.
Speaker 1: Yeah, literally, because you couldn't google that knowledge in the brain.
Speaker 1: This is community. My dms were a scary place a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. Do you remember that when people
Speaker 1: thought I was living in a dungeon?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that hit different.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be good about my privacy, and now
Speaker 1: everyone thinks I'm a gremlin troll. But every now and then,
Speaker 1: when I go through my dms, I like to do
Speaker 1: some screenshots, mine some data, see what the vibes are,
Speaker 1: but also see what conversations are happening outside of what
Speaker 1: we do, because as someone who's been chatting publicly for
Speaker 1: ten years, I feel like I've talked about everything so
Speaker 1: much so that the conversations I want to have are
Speaker 1: not coherent. The conversation I want to have is if
Speaker 1: all of a sudden this room started flooding and all
Speaker 1: the doors were locked, what would we do? But you
Speaker 1: know where am I placing that?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 1: Where does it start? Exactly? I digress. It's all about blocking.
Speaker 1: Apparently that's what people want to know if we should
Speaker 1: do anyway. This person says, hey, flex, I need to
Speaker 1: know if you're a blocker.
Speaker 3: Wait is she in the audience?
Speaker 1: Now he's not here. This person needs to know if
Speaker 1: I'm a blocker? Off top, hands up? If blocking is
Speaker 1: the acceptable way to respond to communication, paddles up. Please,
Speaker 1: this is not enough. You guys need to protect your energy.
Speaker 1: This person wants to know what they should do. And
Speaker 1: I'm very intrigued because I often find whenever we're answering
Speaker 1: any kind of listener dilemma, my approach is always feral
Speaker 1: and direct, and your approach is considered and it's giving
Speaker 1: cute indirect Yeah, like consideredly indirect. But listen to this.
Speaker 1: This guy used to see very casually over four years ago.
Speaker 1: Likes to message me every now and then. They always
Speaker 1: come back, don't they. He was way more into me
Speaker 1: than I was into him. Naturally, and he was pretty
Speaker 1: devo when we broke it off, despite having only been
Speaker 1: on two dates.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't go as far as to say he's a pest,
Speaker 1: but he messages me every couple of months or so,
Speaker 1: which is annoying. The messages are also weird, like I
Speaker 1: saw you walking the other day and you're looking good lately.
Speaker 1: To stop that king? That one's quite nice, is it not?
Speaker 2: No, I would be calling the police, calling the police station, police.
Speaker 1: She's gonna talk to the police.
Speaker 3: I'm walking into the screenshot. I need witness protection.
Speaker 1: This person says I'm a boyfriend now and he knows
Speaker 1: about the situation, but has never requested a block or anything,
Speaker 1: most likely due to complete just complete disinterest. I feel
Speaker 1: kind of weirded out by the fact that he can
Speaker 1: see my picks, comments, likes, hence my contemplation of a block. However,
Speaker 1: he is the type of guy that would message me
Speaker 1: on another platform to ask why I blocked him. On
Speaker 1: top of that, there is the potential that I would
Speaker 1: run into him somewhere he would confront me about it.
Speaker 1: I also don't want to give him the satisfaction of
Speaker 1: the block, like I care enough to block him, Oh,
Speaker 1: one hundred percent chance. I'm overthinking this, but interested to
Speaker 1: know what you would do, because I value your opinions
Speaker 1: quite highly through me. This is why I just block,
Speaker 1: Like I just don't feel like it's that deep. And
Speaker 1: maybe that's because I'm interacting with people that I don't
Speaker 1: know quite well. So it's like, this is my family
Speaker 1: friend from three years ago. I'm going to block them.
Speaker 1: But I often feel like it's very odd to me
Speaker 1: how much room we make for people who are encroaching
Speaker 1: on our personal safety and comfort, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like or that we have over enthused how difficult it
Speaker 1: would be to just make the decision and see what
Speaker 1: happens after, Like this person is paralyzed by the fear
Speaker 1: that if I do block this person that maybe I'll
Speaker 1: run into them, or maybe they'll contact me on another platform,
Speaker 1: or maybe I'll do this or that, And it's like,
Speaker 1: what's happening now is that they're annoying on this platform,
Speaker 1: So how do we fix that.
Speaker 2: I'm of the opinion that the only reason why you
Speaker 2: don't block old flames if they're annoying you is if
Speaker 2: you want to stroke your own ego.
Speaker 1: Paddles up if you agree.
Speaker 3: Yeah, come on, put your laters, put your.
Speaker 2: Paws up, put your browser because you're okay, so okay, okay,
Speaker 2: So yeah, I believe like it's always nice having the
Speaker 2: one person that you know they'm we're gonna get over you,
Speaker 2: and you.
Speaker 1: Know, I just kind of you see my new hair
Speaker 1: or on you see my new job? Yep, look at me.
Speaker 1: I'm on a post.
Speaker 2: Now, are you wondering could have been? I could have
Speaker 2: been your ride and die that you let me go.
Speaker 2: So to clarify you, I don't think he listens to this.
Speaker 1: You're saying that one of the few reasons why you
Speaker 1: wouldn't block someone who is acting this way is because
Speaker 1: you want the validation of them seeing you. If you
Speaker 1: don't agree with that, please yell. What are the other
Speaker 1: reasons why you wouldn't block someone? Seriously, you can.
Speaker 3: Just mute them?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yep, yep, I like that. Anything else? Why else? Something?
Speaker 1: Just blocking? I need to understand in case they get
Speaker 1: hotter because I'm looking back. I'm not not interacting, but
Speaker 1: I'm watching.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like to be able to go back and
Speaker 3: look at them.
Speaker 1: I think it's very simple. I think everyone sho just
Speaker 1: start blocking. It's truly so fun. But also there's something
Speaker 1: about and what we don't consider enough is like emotional
Speaker 1: energy very finite. You know, the amount of emotional energy
Speaker 1: you can give to something before you're depleted. For yourself
Speaker 1: and the things you want, you got like six bad
Speaker 1: conversations a week before you're knocked out. Now he's taking
Speaker 1: up two three four shame.
Speaker 3: I reckon.
Speaker 1: She secretly loves it. That's just me. Today we're talking
Speaker 1: about icons, which like I'm very fascinated by because I
Speaker 1: feel like people aren't seeing it the way we're seeing it.
Speaker 1: Like I wonder if people can really truly conceptualize, like
Speaker 1: we have created icons out of mere mortals, regular people
Speaker 1: who do regular things, and we're like, no, they're special.
Speaker 3: I'm here for it.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 3: Newflix disrecording the Ring right now.
Speaker 2: Just to paint your picture. We're on like a slightly
Speaker 2: elevated stage. There's studio lighting occurring, got cameras on either side.
Speaker 2: We even got cameras on the audience. You're looking slay today,
Speaker 2: so that's the best thing. And the people in the
Speaker 2: audience you were invited, I'm quite sure, and I think
Speaker 2: we've got some influencers in the audience.
Speaker 1: Don't worry.
Speaker 2: I won't dox anyone, though I do say season familiar faces.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about whether.
Speaker 3: Or not influencers are icons.
Speaker 2: Just that simple sentence, our influences icons paddles up, It happens,
Speaker 2: it's creeps up slowly. May I ask you, why do
Speaker 2: you think influencers are icons?
Speaker 5: I was just thinking about, like all the TikTok is
Speaker 5: that I watch and I just like love them, and
Speaker 5: I think that they've actually influenced my daily life.
Speaker 1: I say, Gorgina, and that's because of a TikTok Regina.
Speaker 5: It is like so ingrained in my daily life now,
Speaker 5: So that's psychoonic.
Speaker 1: Would it help if I read out the definition? I
Speaker 1: do love a definition, okay, shout out to Oxford Webster's
Speaker 1: as well. A person or thing regarded as a representative
Speaker 1: symbol or a person or thing that is worthy of veneration.
Speaker 1: Veneration is like praise, adoration with you. So, by that definition,
Speaker 1: are influences icons, yes or no? Paddles up or down?
Speaker 3: I mean, does it change anything with that definition?
Speaker 1: Well, it depends. I feel like sometimes people don't know
Speaker 1: words mean things. You know, we just say some stuff
Speaker 1: and then we get confused in the mix or whatever.
Speaker 1: What do you reckon?
Speaker 2: I think the earliest influencers are icons because they were
Speaker 2: influencers when the term influencing was a dirty word.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's not a dirty word now? Nah?
Speaker 1: I think that.
Speaker 3: Do you think influencer is a dirty word?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: Put your paddle up? Yeah.
Speaker 3: Look, sometimes the paddles go.
Speaker 2: Other times they're like whoa, that was like it whoo,
Speaker 2: which is interesting given the location we're with the people with.
Speaker 1: If you compare it, I think if you compare it
Speaker 1: to like, is artist a dirty word? You're like, no,
Speaker 1: you know, is musician a dirty word? Is like lawyer
Speaker 1: a dirty word? Lawyer's pushing the boundaries? Yeah, but but
Speaker 1: like in a neutral sense. If someone's like I'm a
Speaker 1: lawyer and like oh, you're like, oh, okay, I'm an influencer,
Speaker 1: people are like oh noah, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: The narrative starts getting painted and it's like Olive Green
Speaker 1: and rancid.
Speaker 2: Does anyone have an idea for why they think influencer
Speaker 2: is a dirty word?
Speaker 1: Anyone want to incriminate themselves?
Speaker 7: I just think sometimes when you say influencer, especially like
Speaker 7: what you said about being a dirty word in the past.
Speaker 7: It's also environmental, like where you grow up, so you
Speaker 7: grow up. Lucky for me, I'm surrounded by a lot
Speaker 7: of content, creative friends or influence friends. But if you
Speaker 7: go to a certain demographic and you're like, oh, I'm
Speaker 7: an influencer, they're just like, you're all about yourself and
Speaker 7: that's not a real job kind of thing. And I
Speaker 7: think that people kind of it's got a bit of
Speaker 7: a stigma to it. And I think that's why, you know, totally, so.
Speaker 2: You think it's like imposed on the influencer that it's
Speaker 2: a dirty word, but they themselves shouldn't feel like it's
Speaker 2: a dirty word.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know, Like, wait, what was the question?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Honestly, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I this point, all I say is I.
Speaker 2: Probably used to think influencers was a dirty word. Personally,
Speaker 2: I don't anymore. Seriously, I'm starting to think, well, well, okay,
Speaker 2: do you consider flex an influencer.
Speaker 1: You're gonna put the paddles up, come on out, you
Speaker 1: did you? Look, I don't want to offend her, so
Speaker 1: you see you did it. It's true.
Speaker 2: We didn't print him out for no reason. This was funny,
Speaker 2: this was eating into the budget. Do I think influencers
Speaker 2: are icons?
Speaker 3: I can name a few.
Speaker 2: Kirk Coleman, put you put your paws up for Kirk Colemin. Guys,
Speaker 2: regardless of what I asked, just put him up. I
Speaker 2: think that Kirk Coleman is the absolute pinnacle of iconic
Speaker 2: because he was an influencer before it was a thing,
Speaker 2: Like he was an influencer on Facebook.
Speaker 3: So many people made fun of him.
Speaker 2: He was the butt of so many jokes, and yet
Speaker 2: he always had his slogan of like purf like Kurt,
Speaker 2: that's hot, I'm hot. And it's not until today's day
Speaker 2: and age where like taking potos of yourself and being
Speaker 2: in love with yourself even if it's facetious is celebrated,
Speaker 2: Whereas back then when he did it, we weren't in
Speaker 2: that culture.
Speaker 1: Yet we're in the culture of like playing.
Speaker 2: Down your hotness or like like I don't know that
Speaker 2: I'm hot, whereas now I think we we're all being
Speaker 2: Kirk commons, and so I think he's an icon.
Speaker 1: But maybe that's the point, if we're all icons. I
Speaker 1: thought part of I mean that definition didn't go into
Speaker 1: a lot of depth. But I always assume part of
Speaker 1: icon status is to be revered way past your time,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? And I think that
Speaker 1: like back when I don't know, Liberaci was doing his thing,
Speaker 1: and like Napoleon or whatever, I don't think at the
Speaker 1: time they were revered as icons. They weren't. They were
Speaker 1: social pariahs and lepers and people that were Seraci was
Speaker 1: in a way, but not in the way now. And
Speaker 1: everyone looks back and it's like, oh my god, icon Nick,
Speaker 1: because we can see the way that you impacted time
Speaker 1: is like so far greater than what you were able
Speaker 1: to realize at the time. Our influence as icons? You think, Well,
Speaker 1: I don't think influencers are icons. Like that's not the question,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Like, broadly speaking, do
Speaker 1: influencers have the capacity to be iconic? Probably, But like
Speaker 1: I feel like some of the greatest, like most influence
Speaker 1: people in the whole wide world still aren't regarded as icons.
Speaker 1: So why would we divvy it out to someone who,
Speaker 1: on a small scale probably isn't changing the face of
Speaker 1: the world as we know it.
Speaker 3: They quick, wow, big icon energy.
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