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Speaker 1: Mama.

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Speaker 2: Always always.

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Speaker 3: Be careful. Love those Uh.

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Speaker 4: Let well use your head, they will tear you lack

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Speaker 4: a paper talk.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 3: I'm Amanda and I'm Remy.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to It's Layer.

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Speaker 3: We're in a long distance friendship that started over twenty

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Speaker 3: years ago when we were in high school.

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Speaker 4: We'll be talking about all things life, love, family, anything

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Speaker 4: and everything else under the sun.

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Speaker 3: Delve deeper with us because in life, you know my layers.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, yeah, yeah yeah. Hey guys, we have

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Speaker 3: something extra special for you. It would be incomplete talk

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Speaker 3: about the Zimbabwean music scene without a mention of our

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Speaker 3: special guests. Afrofusion star Gemma Griffiths. She's a household name

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Speaker 3: in her home country, our home country of Zimbabwe. She's

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Speaker 3: won four ZIMMA Awards Zimbabwe Music Awards. She also counts

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Speaker 3: another two awards from the Southern African country top radio

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Speaker 3: stations from STARFM, a string of nominations from Mama's, MTV's

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Speaker 3: Music Awards in Africa and AFREMA Awards. In short, this

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Speaker 3: young lady who grew up in Harrere, Zimbabwe, Vibrant Capital,

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Speaker 3: has been putting in the work. She works hard, y'all.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, she definitely has been doing that with the beautiful

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Speaker 4: release of her album A Girlfer Marare earlier this year

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Speaker 4: and the live version of the said album recorded at

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Speaker 4: the National Gallery of Zimbabwe, which is just we.

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Speaker 1: Need to get into that. There's so much to be.

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Speaker 4: Proud of with this amazing creative Welcome to its Lad podcast, Jama,

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Speaker 4: I'm so happy to have you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so glad to be here.

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Speaker 4: You guys, well, you're a singer songwriter. A girl from

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Speaker 4: Hadadi is where you hail from as per your album?

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Speaker 4: What does it mean to be a girl from Hadadi

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Speaker 2: Think you know naming that that EP a Girl from

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Speaker 2: Hadai no matter where I went when I was writing

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Speaker 3: That's so dope, and it's so great to feel represented,

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Speaker 3: you know where you see that as girls from Halada ourselves,

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Speaker 3: Such a proud moment. And we thought we'd ask you

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Speaker 3: a few rapid fire questions, just some of your favorite

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Speaker 3: things from Hallade. So I'll just ask and you can

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Speaker 2: I would say Govas, Yeah, I'd say nice.

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Speaker 3: And with what's your favorite hangout spot, like if you're chilling,

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Speaker 2: Up with your friends Friends Cafe in the daytime and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. I love Friends Cafe. It's right by

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Speaker 3: What's your favorite coffee spot if it's not Friends Cafe.

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Speaker 3: Oh nice, super, that's really cool. And the last one,

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Speaker 2: To be honest, the people, the people in the weather.

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Speaker 4: You've collaborated a lot with different artists, which is something

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Speaker 2: To be honest, I think music is such a personal

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Speaker 2: In terms of the people I have collaborated with. I

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Speaker 3: That's wonderful. I know. One of our favorite collabs, I mean,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, I think you know, art is a very

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Speaker 4: You actually use it to your to a benefit of

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Speaker 1: Are like, oh my god. Yeah, because we love to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it really is beautiful and I think Gemma,

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Speaker 2: I guess I would. I would hope that they would

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Speaker 3: If anyone knows you, they will know how hard you work.

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Speaker 2: I also think you know there's something that human nature

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Speaker 4: And I think that's where music plugs in so perfectly,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, especially coming from Aharare, I think that would be

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Speaker 3: I think it's so great, especially with us living in

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Speaker 2: Can I just I was gonna say the world is.

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Speaker 1: Treasures brah welcome you know.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean with your love for traveling, how's

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Speaker 4: I was so sad I missed your show though, because

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Speaker 1: I was like, debate. I mean, that's a good excuse.

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Speaker 4: The one thing I loved is seeing you touring with

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Speaker 3: That was that was ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: That was probably one of the highlights of my career.

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Speaker 2: Definitely one of the highlights of my career to date. Honestly,

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Speaker 2: He's such a humble and wise musician. Yeah, honestly a

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Speaker 3: Mad, Like that is so amazing. And I love how

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Speaker 3: So I think that's a beautiful what you do and

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Speaker 3: how you do it and also your live music, which

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Speaker 4: Mean, obviously we're going to ask you any pro checks

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Speaker 4: that you want to share with us, because we're absolutely

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Speaker 4: in love with your life. Version of your album filmed

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Speaker 4: you know, Samurio is my cousin, so we had been we.

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Speaker 1: Had been celebrating him and then obviously celebrating you. This

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, it's absolutely amazing how you shot that,

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Speaker 4: how you did that, and you know something about Zimbabwean music,

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Speaker 4: The quality now is just unparalleled.

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Speaker 1: And then seeing you do that is like.

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Speaker 4: I get goosebumps just thinking about how beautiful you created

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Speaker 4: that whole thing, and like, yeah, people, people, our listeners

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Speaker 4: but definitely people haven't seen this.

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Speaker 3: They need to check it out. Also, the way your

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Speaker 3: talent in itself. So how was that process in the

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Speaker 3: National Gallery? Like, that's freaking amazing.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, that project was something that I've wanted to do

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Speaker 2: for a really long time, you know, to take an

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Speaker 2: entire album and then perform it live in a beautiful setting,

442
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Speaker 2: because I think it's also something that we don't do

443
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Speaker 2: as much in Zimbabwe. You know, often when visuals are there,

444
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 2: it's it's often quite you know, it's you don't really

445
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 2: get to connect with the artists. You get a story

446
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 2: and you get a music video. It you don't often

447
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 2: get a very vulnerable, sort of real, real life sort

448
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Speaker 2: of connection. And for me, you know, I'm you know,

449
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 2: I'm a recording artist, but before anything else, I've always

450
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 2: been a live artist. I've always been a performer. I

451
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 2: started out playing shitty bar gigs for no money. Five

452
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,239
Speaker 2: nights a week, you know, and work my way up.

453
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Speaker 2: And so for me, I'm a live artist who records,

454
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Speaker 2: and that's something that I really wanted to do because

455
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Speaker 2: when I play with my band and we jam like

456
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 2: and you get this amazing energy and this chemistry. I

457
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 2: wanted people to be able to see that. And so

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00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 2: me and my band we sat down and we we

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Speaker 2: rehearsed and worked ideas and sort of rearranged this album

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Speaker 2: and reimagined it into into those performances. And then I

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Speaker 2: phoned up the National Gallery. It's one of my favorite

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Speaker 2: buildings in the country. Conic it is so be once

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Speaker 2: you see the visuals. I mean, you guys have but

464
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Speaker 2: when people see these visuals, you're like, holy moly, where

465
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 2: is this And you're like, it's in downtown hoorai. And

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Speaker 2: so you know, tying that all together and then we

467
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 2: actually went to Ebal and you know, we did some

468
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Speaker 2: bend over bundle digging and got all the outfits for everybody,

469
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Speaker 2: and then I had my house was stown up, but

470
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Speaker 2: then I had gifted me and so we tied it

471
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Speaker 2: all together and just made this like delicious, creamy.

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Speaker 1: Brown, delicious delicious.

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Speaker 2: So I'm releasing the full live album is going to

474
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Speaker 2: be going live in December, and every couple of weeks

475
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 2: I'm dropping three videos from the nine tracks so that

476
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Speaker 2: people get a little bite, a little bite, a little bite,

477
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 2: and then eventually you'll have this playlist that you can

478
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Speaker 2: listen to the entire album. You can put it on

479
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Speaker 2: your TV when you're having a dinner party, and it's

480
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 2: just beautiful visual after visual after visual, with like lovely nuances.

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Speaker 2: There's like some jazz guitar solos and some crazy cool things.

482
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Speaker 2: But yeah, I wanted to make something that was also mature,

483
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 2: you know, that was like very wholesome and sort of

484
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 2: an all age thing. You know, it's still could very

485
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 2: much be played in a family setting, but also I

486
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 2: wanted something that musicians, you know, crazy crazy talented musicians

487
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 2: would like notice things and be like, well, you know,

488
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 2: sort of be taken seriously in that space as well.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's so delicious.

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Speaker 1: Are to a speechless.

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Speaker 3: No, It's honestly, like the the detail, the thought process,

492
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 3: what you put into it, it's really really inevitable. If

493
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Speaker 3: you for those listening, if you haven't seen it, please

494
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 3: go onto YouTube. Well, as Amanda said, put all the

495
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 3: links on there, but it's it's so much respect for you,

496
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 3: Jemma for doing this kind of work. I think we

497
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 3: underestimate our abilities as Zimbabweans sometimes and we you know,

498
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 3: short change ourselves, thinking that if you're not a big play,

499
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Speaker 3: you cannot do. But honestly, I say keep an eye

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Speaker 3: out for zimbabwins because if there's one thing our work ethic,

501
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 3: the talent, the ability, and you showcase that so beautifully,

502
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 3: so so beautifully, and we're so grateful for you being

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Speaker 3: on here. Is there anything else you want to share

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00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 3: with us? Anything upcoming? You mentioned something you can't talk

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00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 3: about yet, so that's fine.

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Speaker 1: We'll respect you. We will keep watching to see what

507
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: I'm watching, hear what it is.

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00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 3: But if there's anything else you want to share or

509
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 3: with our listeners these, let us know, and your socials

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00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 3: how they can keep up with you as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah amazing. Yeah, to be honest, this year has just

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Speaker 2: been It's been the year of a girl from Hatadi

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00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 2: and I'm so grateful to have played the shows I've

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Speaker 2: played and to now be releasing this live album. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think, to be honest, next year is just I've

516
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 2: got the music already for next year. We've worked on it.

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Speaker 2: It's in the final stages, you know, I work quite

518
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 2: far in advance. So I've got it and I'm listening

519
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 2: to it and I'm just like, oh my gosh, people

520
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 2: are gonna freak out. I just want to keep creating

521
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,719
Speaker 2: stuff that can be taken very very seriously on an

522
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 2: international level, you know, everything from the visual the quality

523
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Speaker 2: of everything. I just want to keep that as high

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Speaker 2: as possible. And I'm I'm really looking at next year like,

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Speaker 2: oh my gosh, this is just going to be another

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Speaker 2: boom of beauty and stuff that I'm proud of, you know,

527
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 2: So that's very exciting. I'm definitely going to be traveling

528
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 2: more and seeing everybody. But yeah, just keep your ears

529
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 2: and eyes peeled for for some good stuff next year.

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00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean if you find me on everything,

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Speaker 2: I'm yeah, that's basically it.

532
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 4: We'll definitely share your socials as well, so people will

534
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Speaker 4: find you, Gemma with the gene. Okay. You know one

535
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Speaker 4: thing I was going to say, and I really love

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Speaker 4: how you have kept everything with the Zimbabwe is in

537
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Speaker 4: terms of the last visuals you did, do you didn't

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Speaker 4: think to go internationally. Not to knock that, but just

539
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 4: to say, like a lot of times people think we're not,

540
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 4: like Rimby said, we don't have enough within our own spaces.

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Speaker 4: So to hear you even thinking of going to get

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00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 4: my bile and look for clothes, it's like that is

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Speaker 4: so authentically.

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Speaker 3: I haven't done that.

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00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: I have not gone to shop clothes. What are you doing?

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Speaker 2: That's real?

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00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 3: That's why it's.

548
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Speaker 2: Can I be honest. Most of the outfits that I

549
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: wear on the red carpet are from my bed. Oh

550
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 2: crazy dresses and.

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00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 3: Stuff I just got.

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00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 2: There are gems, not wearing something that anyone else is wearing,

553
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, And I do think like visually as well,

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00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: I think rather rather bringing everything into Zim because we

555
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 2: have such a beautiful we have so many beautiful, incredible spaces,

556
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Speaker 2: So rather than going outside to to do these big

557
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: projects and to film these things, rather bringing the world

558
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Speaker 2: in but keeping that quality, you know, making sure everything

559
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 2: can compete with your big stars, you know. And that's

560
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 2: also why I don't see competition within Zimbabwe with my

561
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Speaker 2: fellow artists. I've never had a had a situation where

562
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Speaker 2: I felt like, oh I'm competing with someone. Never, I

563
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 2: always think it's us as Zimbabweans trying to compete on

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Speaker 2: an international scale, and that's that that is something that

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Speaker 2: I do think we need to keep thinking, you know,

566
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Speaker 2: like how can we do because as soon as we

567
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 2: all do it, as soon as someone breaks into that

568
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: space bigger and bigger, everyone's gonna look at what's happening

569
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 2: in Zim. So we're a yeah, yeah, and the team

570
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 2: is Zimbabwe man.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, I love that you speak our language because

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Speaker 4: it's exactly room being nice you thoughts. We always like,

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00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 4: we like, yeah, there's no need to competition. It's actually

574
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 4: like we're much stronger together. So love this love wonderful.

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Speaker 4: This has been such a joy fest as always.

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Speaker 3: I mean you really, what you exude is so true

577
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 3: and so pure, like who you are if you see

578
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 3: her on social this is who you are and it's

579
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 3: so great to have that. I've been cheesing the whole time.

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Speaker 3: So yeah for the great vibes. As always, we should

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Speaker 3: do this week.

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00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, girl chat. But when you when you have

583
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Speaker 1: your next projects, then come back do it again.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much to our listeners for tuning in.

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Speaker 3: As mentioned, we'll be sharing all of Jem's information when

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Speaker 3: in the show notes when we put it up. Thank

587
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 3: you always for being with us. Season four. We're still

588
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 3: doing this. You can find us. It's late, it's on Instagram,

589
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 3: it's led part on Twitter, but also on TikTok now apparently,

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00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 3: so find us there. Thank you again, Jemma for your time,

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Speaker 3: and we'll see you at our next episode.

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Speaker 1: Guys, I will tear you lack a pepper talk.

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Speaker 3: Oh no no no yeah yeah yeah yeah, oh no

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Speaker 3: no no