1
00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:05,880
Speaker 1: This is jam Nation with So on Friday when I

2
00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,360
Speaker 1: was on Mamma Mia Out Loud with Mia Friedman and

3
00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,680
Speaker 1: Jesse Stevens, we were discussing Jennifer Aniston and we talked

4
00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:14,480
Speaker 1: a bit about this on our show too on Friday,

5
00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,439
Speaker 1: where Jennifer has posed for the cover of a Lure magazine,

6
00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:21,280
Speaker 1: the very last episode ever or addition of a Lure magazine,

7
00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:23,759
Speaker 1: and she opened up for the first time about the

8
00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,120
Speaker 1: fact that she had done IVF for a number of years,

9
00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,200
Speaker 1: and so we spoke about that. But one of the

10
00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:33,720
Speaker 1: things that Mia spoke about was how Jennifer presented herself

11
00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,159
Speaker 1: in that photograph, and she said Jennifer would be very controlling.

12
00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,960
Speaker 1: She would have control over the styling, over the photographs,

13
00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:42,720
Speaker 1: over all of us. So this is how Jennifer wanted

14
00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,760
Speaker 1: to be seen. And it was too small. Will almost

15
00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,480
Speaker 1: look like bottle tops, didn't they You saw it? Bottle top, Kenny, Well, yeah,

16
00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,680
Speaker 1: but tiny over her nipples and incredible abs and she

17
00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:57,520
Speaker 1: looked extraordinary. And Mia spoke about this in relation to

18
00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,920
Speaker 1: a comedy sketch that Amy Schumer did with Julia Louis Dreyfus.

19
00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,640
Speaker 2: Drafus Louis from Sideville.

20
00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,720
Speaker 1: Yes, Tina Fey and a couple of other people about

21
00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,040
Speaker 1: your last Effable Day, where they are all clinking a

22
00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,120
Speaker 1: glass because it's Julia's last effable day and it's been

23
00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,000
Speaker 1: decided by Hollywood that she should get in a boat

24
00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,000
Speaker 1: and just go out to see because that idea has

25
00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,399
Speaker 1: been done. Now that she now has to play. She

26
00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,960
Speaker 1: would have a love interest in her past years. Now

27
00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,680
Speaker 1: she plays at love interest's mother. That's what happens as

28
00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,360
Speaker 1: women age, and Mia said that she felt that this

29
00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:34,560
Speaker 1: photograph of Jen played in to all those tropes of

30
00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,600
Speaker 1: Jen fighting her last effable day and insisting on being

31
00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,760
Speaker 1: seen as effable. Here's what she said.

32
00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,920
Speaker 2: It's not a criticism of Jennifer Aniston. It's criticism of

33
00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:49,440
Speaker 2: a society that demands women look a certain way to

34
00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:55,000
Speaker 2: stay relevant and current and to have that currency. Of course,

35
00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:56,480
Speaker 2: she likes looking like that.

36
00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:57,360
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you?

37
00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,280
Speaker 2: That's why wouldn't you like looking like that? Because because

38
00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:05,760
Speaker 2: that is what gets you money, fame, more wealth, more status,

39
00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:07,880
Speaker 2: more attention in the attention economy.

40
00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:10,720
Speaker 1: She said that most fifty year old, fifty three year

41
00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,640
Speaker 1: old women don't look like that, and that it's time

42
00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,760
Speaker 1: that regular fifty three year olds were presented as regular

43
00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,520
Speaker 1: fifty three year olds. I said, I could look at

44
00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,800
Speaker 1: that image of Jennifer and it didn't touch the sides

45
00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,720
Speaker 1: of me. I thought Jennifer looked great. And Jennifer has

46
00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,160
Speaker 1: always really appealed to women more than men. She's been

47
00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:32,200
Speaker 1: seen as a friend, excuse the pun, the girl next door,

48
00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,000
Speaker 1: someone that women like. She's never had to push that

49
00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:39,240
Speaker 1: sexy thing, and so I don't feel threatened at all

50
00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:44,239
Speaker 1: by that image. And I just saw that Rebecca Gibney

51
00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,280
Speaker 1: posted something very interesting that I'd like to read you,

52
00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,040
Speaker 1: and I wish I'd phrased it like this, She said,

53
00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:51,639
Speaker 1: I just read the article that Mia Friedman wrote about

54
00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:53,680
Speaker 1: Jennifer Anison in her recent appearance on the cover of

55
00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,720
Speaker 1: a lure wearing nipple pastis. Mia was discussing the term

56
00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,240
Speaker 1: an actress in her Last Effable Day. I enjoyed me

57
00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,480
Speaker 1: as article because she asked herself the question, was she

58
00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,679
Speaker 1: jealous that jen still look like a twenty three year old?

59
00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:05,840
Speaker 1: Or is she just frustrated that Jen will see a

60
00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,640
Speaker 1: fifty three year old or just frustrated that yet again

61
00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,000
Speaker 1: we see a fifty three year old looking decades younger,

62
00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,320
Speaker 1: and does that make us women over a certain age

63
00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:17,640
Speaker 1: feel bad, feel unseen, feel pressured. I'm fifty seven years old,

64
00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,200
Speaker 1: an actress, says Rebecca, who's never worn pasties. But if

65
00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,480
Speaker 1: Jen wants to wear them, good honor. I don't compare

66
00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,120
Speaker 1: myself to her or others. Am I still effable? I

67
00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,520
Speaker 1: think I am, whether society thinks so or not. I'm

68
00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:29,360
Speaker 1: still in control, much more so than when I was

69
00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,280
Speaker 1: in my twenties. I know I'm sexy, whether anyone sees

70
00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,520
Speaker 1: that as irrelevant, even my husband, because I know what

71
00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,280
Speaker 1: I am and who I am. I do believe, however,

72
00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,280
Speaker 1: we need to just let women be if they want

73
00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,040
Speaker 1: to celebrate looking effable, great, doesn't mean we all have to.

74
00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,440
Speaker 1: For me, someone desirable is confident, laughs, loud, looks you

75
00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,720
Speaker 1: in the eye, has strength. I don't care whether they

76
00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,520
Speaker 1: have a tight, buttle shiny skin. I know society puts

77
00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,120
Speaker 1: that out there. It doesn't mean we all have to

78
00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,760
Speaker 1: conform to it. I'll continue to create work that celebrates

79
00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,440
Speaker 1: women of all ages, including me at fifty seven. I'm

80
00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,520
Speaker 1: not done yet, not by a long shot. Nor will

81
00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:01,960
Speaker 1: I be really gated to playing mothers on Christmas specials

82
00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,119
Speaker 1: there's a lot of life and spunk lift in this girl.

83
00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,480
Speaker 1: Yet I've just she said, I've posted a photo when

84
00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,400
Speaker 1: I was just starting out in my career at seventeen,

85
00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:11,600
Speaker 1: I had the shiny skin and the blush of youth,

86
00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,800
Speaker 1: but zero control. I'm so much happier now. My life

87
00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,880
Speaker 1: and career choices are my own, effable or not. I

88
00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,200
Speaker 1: just thought that that's exactly what I'd wanted to say. Well, yeah,

89
00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:21,599
Speaker 1: you should have.

90
00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,320
Speaker 2: Well you've got the sentiment right, you're.

91
00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the you know there, we can all

92
00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,320
Speaker 1: be who we are at fifty three, fifty four, sixty

93
00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,160
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty eight doesn't matter, and we decide

94
00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,080
Speaker 1: whether we're effable or not. And you know what, for

95
00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,520
Speaker 1: the record, everyone here says you're very effable. They always

96
00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,360
Speaker 1: say that a man is very approachable. We love it.

97
00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,360
Speaker 2: She's always chatting always.

98
00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:48,039
Speaker 1: That's affable. Were you that too? Here's why you don't

99
00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:48,960
Speaker 1: get invited on Mamma.

100
00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,119
Speaker 2: I love Mum and me. I think it's great.

101
00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:53,919
Speaker 1: I love I love the whole thing. I love the

102
00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,400
Speaker 1: whole fee Well, it's a it's a very interesting discussion.

103
00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,520
Speaker 1: If you want to hear it your podcasts. It was

104
00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,320
Speaker 1: last Friday's Muma Mire out laud