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Speaker 1: live on the Free I had.

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Speaker 2: Tony Armstrong's in the city over run. Hello, have you

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Speaker 2: here man? How you going? Have you never been live before? What?

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to wig you guys out? But you guys

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Speaker 3: are you guys are unwiggable?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: You On the other hand, when you used to be

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Speaker 4: live on ABC News, Tony, I mean there was There's

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Speaker 4: one slip that comes to mind, which we always play

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Speaker 4: for you.

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Speaker 5: Pain has a bulging dick that has been disc that

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Speaker 5: has been that's a funny one has been causing him pain.

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Speaker 3: Going to throw to you very quickly, Michael.

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Speaker 5: No, thanks, guys, it's been good and we'll take a break.

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Speaker 5: How long, like, in all seriousness, how long do you

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Speaker 5: reckon till till I can get on somewhere without that

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Speaker 5: being a thing?

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Speaker 3: Genuine question?

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Speaker 5: I still think it's funny or do you think it's

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Speaker 5: like the next dumb crap I do?

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Speaker 2: Because you need to do something that's gonna trump.

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Speaker 3: It's a big kick back.

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Speaker 4: You've got you gotta you gotta do a new gaff

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Speaker 4: and a new gaf to get away from that one.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, and we are love life. It's not show. I

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Speaker 3: can already feel we're going around break.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, don't you do it on someone else's show, You

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Speaker 1: do it on your own show. Tonight is Endgame premiere

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Speaker 1: eight thirty tonight on the ABC.

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Speaker 2: Mate.

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Speaker 3: This is a bit of a gear switch. It is right,

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Speaker 3: It's a.

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Speaker 1: Huge gear switch because this is something that I know

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Speaker 1: is super close to your heart in all sorts of ways.

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Speaker 1: So it's a three part series tackling racism in sport

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Speaker 1: with the help of global superstars.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it is a serious gear switch. We

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Speaker 5: is quite serious content and kind of like it felt

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Speaker 5: kind of weird being so serious for so long, but

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Speaker 5: it was like I've found it really like I'm quite

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Speaker 5: cynical when it comes to that stuff, just given my experiences.

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Speaker 5: This is I guess with racism and stuff, but coming

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Speaker 5: out of it the other end.

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Speaker 2: So is that when you were playing footy.

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Speaker 5: So for me, I copped it less and like this

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Speaker 5: isn't to be like woe is mean to get a

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Speaker 5: compiment Like when I played footy, I sucked ass so

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Speaker 5: like no, like I was so bad, like like no

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Speaker 5: one knew who I was sure, so like I didn't

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Speaker 5: cop it, like now, but now when I'm on like

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Speaker 5: I've got Telly and all that, people actually have.

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Speaker 2: Someone to have a crack at.

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Speaker 5: For me, most of my experience of like overt sort

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Speaker 5: before that was just on the streets.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, but anyway, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: The purpose of this was to be like, Okay, we're

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Speaker 5: sick of this being like woe is us? Racism sucks

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Speaker 5: because either you know that by now and you're with this,

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Speaker 5: off the world's shortest plank. Yeah, like like so, so

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Speaker 5: we're not talking to you if you don't get it.

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Speaker 5: This is for the people who accept it. And now

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Speaker 5: let's get some solutions. And we thought what better sort

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Speaker 5: because you know, we all, I mean, we trust we

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Speaker 3: She can do anything she wants. I trust her.

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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, they get a they get a pass for

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Speaker 1: anything if you're good at sport.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's accessible for everyone, exactly.

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Speaker 4: They've got the nation's respect already, don't they okay, we're

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Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, true and so and so with that

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Speaker 2: You've spoken to some really good people here.

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Speaker 3: I'm just having Ferdinand, Michael Folding. Yeah, I mean I

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Speaker 1: John from Liverpool summer you know cricket that's crazy. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: a photo of John Barnes. So someone piffed a banana

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Speaker 5: just it was just it was just crazy getting to

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Speaker 5: and I came out hopeful because racism.

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Speaker 3: Looks, walks, talks, feels the.

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Speaker 5: Same everywhere, but they're doing stuff about it that we

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Speaker 5: same everywhere, but yeah, because it did coming back here,

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Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, nearly sure, Oh we've got it, like

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Speaker 1: So, so I'm really what, I really am really interested

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Speaker 2: We've got to go to a song.

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Speaker 1: People can see Endgame premiers eight thirty tonight on ABC TV.

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Speaker 1: Whether you think that's a cultural thing Australia, whether it's a.

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Speaker 2: Changeable thing thinking, yeah, you got three minutes think about it,

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Speaker 2: pen and paper and paper.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, you've got three minutes of Olivia Dean to

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Speaker 1: have everything. And I haven't think about where your GAF

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Speaker 1: is going.

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Speaker 2: To be up next to that.

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Speaker 1: You live like you're Tony Armstrong in the studio. We've

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Speaker 1: left him live on the air at our Own Peril.

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Speaker 2: Endgame.

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Speaker 1: Premiere is eight thirty tonight, ABC TV. It is a

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Speaker 1: three part series hosted by Tony I know you just

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Speaker 1: said he spent last nine months doing this mate, with

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Speaker 1: a topic which is like you are, as my daughter

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Speaker 3: Like you really are?

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Speaker 2: You love it?

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Speaker 3: But this is if you're listening right, take offense enormously so,

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Speaker 3: but you are.

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Speaker 1: But this is the topic that you were just saying. Oh,

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Speaker 1: their like when you're in it, you're like, whoa this is?

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Speaker 1: This is intense like and it's intense all over the

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Speaker 1: world if you're just joining us. We're talking people who

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Speaker 1: of them playing in the Premier League one. I'm playing

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Speaker 1: for the West Indies all the way down, all across

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Speaker 1: the world the same issue and then reapplying it to Australia.

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Speaker 1: How do you expect the criticism of racism in Australia

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Speaker 1: to be received by the average fan here?

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Speaker 5: Well, look, no one likes being told that they're racist.

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Speaker 5: I think we've all either either seen it or been

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Speaker 5: part of it. When you're when you're like calling someone

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Speaker 3: They get not me. No, I've got plenty of black friends,

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Speaker 5: But in all seriousness, I think the thing, the thing

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Speaker 5: it might be what you would deem worse, maybe a

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Speaker 5: bit more raw. However, they accept they've got a problem.

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Speaker 5: Interesting, So here we don't like, we still got hate

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Speaker 5: our goods, footy, we got multiculture around, we've got indigenous

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Speaker 5: eight We're moving it along. I would then suggest to

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Speaker 5: you have a look at the AFL executive.

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Speaker 3: Taniel Hosh was made redundant.

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Speaker 5: She was before you even get to the flags to

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Speaker 5: the fact she was an Indigenous woman. On the AFL executive,

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Speaker 5: she was in charge of diversity and inclusion.

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Speaker 3: She was made redundant halfway through this year.

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Speaker 5: Wow, we only needed to see the homophobia that it's

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Speaker 5: you know, and sure like like you know, we want

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Speaker 5: to think we're better than we are and we've got

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Speaker 5: pride round we've got and I'm speaking very specifically from

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Speaker 5: like sport is so agnostic here in Australia, it doesn't

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Speaker 2: It's like.

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Speaker 5: The tokenism actually can take away from like the real

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Speaker 4: So because people feel like we're doing the work already,

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Speaker 3: We've got the round And like.

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Speaker 5: you know, these these people don't deserve to be in

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Speaker 5: these positions, blah blah blah. And quite often that argument

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Speaker 5: they end up getting walked entirely over and actually they

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Speaker 5: I mean far out we could literally yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well you've done a three part series on it tonight exactly.

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Speaker 5: I would urge urge people who have any interest in

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Speaker 5: this or feel or feel very set in their ways

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Speaker 5: to just have a look at it and like, it's

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Speaker 5: not it's not going to be who is us?

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Speaker 3: Like that's we set it up pretty heavily, like.

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Speaker 5: It's a bit of a gut punch in the first

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Speaker 5: maybe fifteen minutes, and that just sets the scene of

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Speaker 5: where we're at. Yeah, but then it's like right that.

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Speaker 5: Now now you know where we are, let's go try

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Speaker 5: to solve it.

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Speaker 2: So solutions focus on racism.

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Speaker 3: Guys, you're welcome. Oh wait, that am.

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Speaker 2: Australia.

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Speaker 3: Here you go. Look, No thanks, I saw what happened

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Speaker 3: to goods. No thanks.

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Speaker 2: Hey.

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Speaker 1: So in terms of solutions, though, Tony, like, what what like,

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Speaker 1: just give me one thing from overseas that you saw

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Speaker 5: So so something that I found really interesting was in

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Speaker 5: So so say I've been racist over the fence to

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Speaker 5: Blah blah blah blah blah. Yeah, but the thing that

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Speaker 3: Being sanctioned by their sporting club.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, so like kicking out.

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Speaker 5: So they're worried about what's going to happen to them

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Speaker 5: from Chelsea's perspective, less so.

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Speaker 3: Than walking around the streets being labled and racist.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 5: So when you think about that, who's got the power

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Speaker 3: Like we've all seen it in our day to day lives.

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Speaker 5: Like you know, you have a mate and you call

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Speaker 5: them out on like you know, some archaic crap that

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Speaker 3: Their behavior because they want to still be part of

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Speaker 3: the group. Of course, that's what that's the power.

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Speaker 2: Of the clubs you really have.

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Speaker 5: And I think that's something that can be applied stronger

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Speaker 5: here in Australia. Well if at all, Yeah, exactly, like

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Speaker 5: I think I think we sometimes see the sanctions happen,

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Speaker 5: mean I was just about to say, like the AFL

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Speaker 5: tribunal system, but far out.

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Speaker 3: You need to be Isaac Newton to.

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Speaker 2: Work that out.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, like you know something where there's like I

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Speaker 5: that's and and that's a deterren and then you know

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Speaker 5: you're coming at.

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Speaker 3: People with not just one silver bullet. There's a to

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Speaker 5: And one thing Rio Ferdinand said, he goes, we've lost

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Speaker 5: our generation. We're gone, like like the ones the ones

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Speaker 5: ones who aren't, you know, good luck to them, but

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Speaker 5: we might be able to get them through their kids.

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Speaker 3: We wouldn't get their kids to talk up.

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Speaker 5: Generations, you know you can maybe you can maybe shift figure, you.

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Speaker 2: Can think about it. Yeah, right, you're getting wrapped up.

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Speaker 3: I'm calling the breaks black and white. Michael Jackson up next.

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Speaker 2: Thereafter. We shouldn't have put him liveline We shouldn't have

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Speaker 2: put him live life.

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Speaker 3: Stuff.

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Speaker 1: He was doing so well, He was doing so well,

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Speaker 1: lost all privileges.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Tony, so much for having me never again, ever again.

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Speaker 1: That's a lie, Tony Meliboy. Check out Endgame. It is

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Speaker 1: eight thirty tonight on the ABC team.

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Speaker 2: You can get it on. Have you Thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for coming in.

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Speaker 3: It is serious work. It is