1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:02,360 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 2: You're dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture news 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 2: twice a week. I'm Sophie Torbert and I'm joined by 4 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 2: my sister and journalist Kate. I feel like we're dropping 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 2: like flies at the moment. I wasn't here on Friday, 6 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 2: and now Amy's not here. You sound incredibly sick, Kate. Yeah, well, 7 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 2: Amy's not here because she's moving house. But I think 8 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 2: I said on Friday's episode, I'm next. I caught Sophie's cold. 9 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 2: Fortunately we don't have COVID, but I do apologize for 10 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 2: my very annoying and croaky voice. At least you'll be 11 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 2: able to tell the difference between SOF and I in 12 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 2: this episode, because a lot of people say they can't 13 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 2: tell our voices apart. It's so weird because there's I 14 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 2: feel like there's this really weird cold. I'm not trying 15 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 2: to sound like Chloe's out here, but there is a 16 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 2: different cold that is spreading around at the moment, and 17 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 2: I feel like it's taking a lot of people out 18 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 2: and it's frustrating because I feel like I've had this 19 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: cold for a week and now I'm scared. 20 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get COVID on top of it. 21 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 2: Oh, it just reminds you how annoying is being sick. 22 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 2: And I know it's not like that sick, but it's 23 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 2: just enough to make you think, oh God, I really 24 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 2: don't want to get COVID. On a bit of a 25 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 2: nicer note, I'm really excited because with Amy not here, 26 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 2: I feel like we've got full rain to talk about 27 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 2: our weddings and give listeners a bit of an update. Yeah, 28 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,479 Speaker 2: Amy's not ultra key to talk about weddings even though 29 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 2: she is getting married. But anyway, so my update is 30 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 2: I have almost locked in my cake. I just need 31 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 2: to pay the deposit. And I was really excited because 32 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 2: I've been wanting one of those cool retro cakes. DJ 33 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 2: Tiger Lily actually had one at her wedding and it 34 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 2: had her new last name on it, so I think 35 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 2: I'm going to copy that idea. I thought it was 36 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 2: really cute. So I'm just going to be doing a 37 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 2: slicing cake at my wedding because we're actually doing gelati 38 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 2: for dessert. And it's just funny because when you are 39 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 2: planning a wedding, everything is a lot more expensive than 40 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 2: you think it will be. So the fact that this 41 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 2: cake is not as much as I thought it would 42 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 2: be as a bit of a money win. So if 43 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 2: you what about you, where are you at? Well? 44 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: I have been venue hunting for so long now. 45 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 2: We've looked at about three and I fell in love 46 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 2: with the last venue, which is Golden Wines. It is 47 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: stunning there. I think the thing that got me over 48 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 2: the line was the fact that they have this live 49 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 2: pizza making station, so instead of cannapays, you can watch 50 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 2: them making pizzas and they'll serve them up while all 51 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,679 Speaker 2: of the bridal party are having photos taken. Oh I 52 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 2: hope they saved some for us, or maybe we can 53 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 2: bring our own pizza out to the photojo. I'll definitely 54 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 2: have some for us. But I'm just going through all 55 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 2: the boring admin at the moment, all the contracts and 56 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 2: everything else. 57 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: But I'm just feeling a little that's all it is. 58 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 2: Sofia, that's all wedding planning is at the moment, and 59 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 2: you've got to get a really good spreadsheet going. I 60 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: think I sent you through mine that you can edit up. 61 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 2: I'm just feeling a bit defeated though, because the only 62 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 2: dates that they have available are twenty twenty four, and 63 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 2: it just seems so long away. So I feel like 64 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 2: I almost can't get excited about it. And I think 65 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 2: that's a good tip to anybody who's just got engaged. 66 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 2: Quickly find where you want to have it, because some 67 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 2: of the waiting lists are ridiculous. The thing is, I 68 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 2: actually the other week and celebrated my engagement anniversary, if 69 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 2: that's even a thing. As so it's been a year 70 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 2: since I got proposed to and that has literally flown by. 71 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 2: So I don't think you should stress. I think that 72 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 2: you need a lot of time to actually plan the wedding. 73 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so true. 74 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 2: I haven't even done my little proposals to my bridesmaids 75 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 2: or our grooms. 76 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I'm just keeping you waiting. 77 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 2: But for anyone who has just got engaged, there's this 78 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 2: really great page on Facebook called wed Shed. Now I'm 79 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 2: just pointing out it's not wed shred, it's wed Shed 80 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 2: and basically it's an Australian page where a lot of 81 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 2: brides share where they're getting married, a lot of their tips. 82 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 2: It's so good because you can just look up like 83 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 2: any wedding topic and someone has put examples of what 84 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 2: they've done. 85 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: It's a really useful page. 86 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 2: And it's funny because in Adelaide we've got one called 87 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 2: Adelaide Wedding Chitchat and it's a little bit tacky, like 88 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 2: it's just got stuff that you wouldn't really want to do. 89 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 2: It's a bit of a DIY page, not that there's 90 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 2: anything wrong with DIY at all, but I feel like 91 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 2: the wedshed page is a. 92 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: Bit more of our vibe. 93 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I do prefer the webshed page. I have found 94 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 2: the Adelaide one handy because it's obviously more localized, and 95 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 2: I did get a really good recommendation for my wedding cake, 96 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 2: so I don't want to shit on it too much. 97 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 2: They're both good in their own riot. 98 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 3: I feel like I snapped back quicker this time than 99 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 3: I did with Fox. 100 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: Do you really? 101 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 2: Yes? 102 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 4: I I thought you were one after Fox, Like I 103 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 4: remember the next day being like, where has your belly gone? 104 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,119 Speaker 4: Like it was like literally within two days it was gone. 105 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: Yes. 106 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 2: Sarah's Day has been forced to edit an episode of 107 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 2: a daily podcast where she outlined her top tips for 108 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 2: bouncing back after pregnancy. In a written statement, The self 109 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 2: proclaimed holistic health Princess and her husband agreed bounce back 110 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 2: culture is toxic and has no place in twenty twenty two. Now, okay, 111 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 2: I know you listen to the unedited version of this episode, 112 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 2: so you need to fill us in on what was 113 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 2: actually said. So the episode was originally tight. It says 114 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 2: he's top tips to bounce back after pregnancy. And if 115 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 2: that wasn't bad enough, the episode description read, before we 116 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 2: get shunned for using the term bounce back, we don't 117 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 2: mean getting back to shredded abs. We're talking about stretch marks, 118 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 2: ab separation, and weight management. Here are a few tips 119 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 2: on what to do during pregnancy to make your bounce 120 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 2: back journey post pregnancy a little easier. I just find 121 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 2: Sarah's reference to shredded abs really laughable because it shows 122 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 2: how small minded she is when it comes to what 123 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 2: real women are thinking about postpartum. And it's like she 124 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 2: knows that she can't talk about shredded abs, but she 125 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 2: tries to soften the blow by calling it weight management, 126 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 2: and by the term weight management is clear that she's 127 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 2: talking about weight loss. And I also think the reference 128 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 2: to stretch marks is also ridiculous because they are just 129 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 2: a normal part of women's bodies, and I do know 130 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 2: during pregnancy a lot of women do like to put 131 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 2: different creams on to try and limit their stretch marks, 132 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 2: But what can you really do once they're there? Oh, 133 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 2: I totally agree with you. And I'll just get into 134 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 2: a little bit more about the episode so you've got 135 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 2: some background. She spoke about how she feels she quote 136 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 2: snapped back quicker this time than she did with her 137 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 2: first son, Fox, and then she went on to outline 138 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 2: how her ab separation with Fox was four centimeters, but 139 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 2: this time around it's only two and now it's gone 140 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 2: down to none. And in terms of the stretch marks, 141 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 2: she did admit that genetics comes into play, but then 142 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 2: went on to recommend people invest in high quality meats 143 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 2: and fishes in their diet and to buy collagen powder 144 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 2: to avoid them. And the episode focused a lot about 145 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 2: correct ab exercises, and it all seemed a bit of 146 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 2: a plug for this new e book that she's bringing 147 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 2: out for pregnant women. And then she also was talking 148 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 2: about the importance of a balanced diet and had to 149 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 2: add in that she's had macers and it just seemed 150 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 2: so disingenuine and I just felt like there was this 151 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 2: constant focus on they didn't want to say the wrong 152 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 2: thing while saying the complete wrong thing the whole time now. 153 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: On Friday afternoon, the Health Code's Instagram account featured the 154 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 2: following statement on their feed. It said, Hi, everyone, we 155 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 2: just wanted to let you know that we absolutely hear 156 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 2: you and your feedback regarding our most recent episode. We 157 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 2: totally agree that bounce back culture is toxic and has 158 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 2: no place in twenty twenty two. While the episode itself 159 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 2: was focused around taking care of yourself during postpartum and 160 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 2: not at all about bouncing back, we know that the 161 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 2: title the episode was given did not reflect this. In future, 162 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 2: we will ensure that we personally crosscheck all titles and 163 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 2: social media posts before they go live to ensure that 164 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 2: they reflect the content of the episode itself. In light 165 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 2: of the above, we have decided to remove the episode 166 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 2: completely as we don't want to contribute to messaging that 167 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 2: doesn't reflect our own values or empower women to always 168 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 2: feel comfortable in their own skin. We're really excited to 169 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 2: bring you this podcast next time with a title that 170 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 2: reflects the content of the episode of the day. We 171 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 2: only want to bring out content that empowers you, inspires 172 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 2: you and uplifts you. Thank you for everyone's feedback. We 173 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 2: really value and appreciate you all. 174 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: Sarah and Kurt. 175 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 2: I have a lot to say about this statement. Firstly, 176 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 2: I feel like they're just trying to shift the blame 177 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 2: by saying in the future, we'll ensure we personally cross 178 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 2: check all titles and social media posts before they go live. 179 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 2: As I said, I listened to the original episode, and 180 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 2: they were well aware of the title. In fact, Sarah 181 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 2: was the one who actually came up with it. Let's 182 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 2: throw to what was said. 183 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 3: What's up, guys, welcome back to the Health Code Daily. 184 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 3: Now before you send me hate, this title is called 185 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 3: how I Bounce Back? Now the word bounce back? Oh 186 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 3: my goodness, I was racking my brain. What else can 187 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 3: I title this episode? 188 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 4: But like, well, I don't care. That's too sensitive? Who 189 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 4: cares about disclaima. Let's just get into it, because, honestly. 190 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 2: God, I just love how In the statement they say 191 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 2: that they agree that bounce back culture is toxic and 192 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 2: has no place in twenty twenty two. But Kerr is 193 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 2: there literally mocking people who find it offensive and labels 194 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 2: them too sensitive. It's actually unbelievable. It's super confusing because 195 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 2: from an outside perspective, it looks like they're just trying 196 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 2: to lay the blame either on a team member that 197 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 2: they work with or someone from the team at Spotify. 198 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: It's just not a good look. 199 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 2: No, it's just embarrassing because the episode actually, like the 200 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 2: whole start of the episode said that they came up 201 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 2: with it. I just don't get it, Like, who is 202 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 2: allowing this apology? Well, it's not even apology because they 203 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 2: didn't actually say sorry. 204 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: That's a statement. 205 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 2: That's the cardinal sin with apologies, when you put out 206 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 2: an apology and the word I'm sorry is not in there. 207 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 2: I mean, it's so clear that they need some sort 208 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,599 Speaker 2: of proper PR team working with them, because there's just 209 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 2: mistake after mistake and the way that they deal with 210 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 2: the public. I mean, in this situation, they're assuming that 211 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 2: their followers are fucking idiots to be and will just 212 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 2: buy this crap. 213 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: They've all listen to it. 214 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 2: Like the thing is though, I find it interesting because, 215 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 2: for those who don't know, the Health Code podcast is 216 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 2: a Spotify exclusive, So obviously Sarah and Kurt have signed 217 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 2: a deal and a contract with Spotify, and I would 218 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 2: assume that Spotify would have some say in the content, 219 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 2: and I do think that the only reason they've put 220 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 2: out this statement acknowledging that the title was incorrect was 221 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 2: because of Spotify. Because if you take a look back 222 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 2: at Sarah's history, she has been involved in so many controversies. 223 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:33,719 Speaker 2: I mean, you only have to think back to the 224 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 2: start of this year when her ebook Sweat Limitless was 225 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 2: slammed because she was well. She was alleged to be 226 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 2: targeting it towards people with eating disorders, and at the time, 227 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 2: there was so much social commentary around this e book, 228 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 2: but she never acknowledged it. She never apologized. She dug 229 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 2: her head into the sand and pretended that nothing had happened. 230 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 2: And this is often the approach that she'll take. She 231 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 2: will also create diverse diversions with her children. A lot 232 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 2: of people talk about this approach. However, it's funny because 233 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 2: it's only when she is involved with a brand like 234 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 2: Spotify or the White Fox boutique drama that she actually 235 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 2: has to acknowledge her mistakes. So they always think it's 236 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 2: a bit piss week when people just put up a 237 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 2: written apology and they don't actually jump on their channels. 238 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 2: Because I mean that the two of them. She speaks 239 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 2: NonStop on her Instagram story, and they could have. Actually, 240 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 2: if you're actually genuinely sorry about something, you take the 241 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 2: time to connect with the listeners that you've potentially hurt, 242 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 2: to try and make it right with them and explain 243 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 2: perhaps where you got it wrong. The awkward thing about 244 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 2: this whole thing is this episode of the podcast appeared 245 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 2: to be a bit of a soft launch for her 246 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 2: pregnancy e book. And for this e book, Sarah is 247 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 2: collaborating with a physio, so it's also this physio's professional 248 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 2: reputation on the line. So I am interested to see 249 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 2: how they navigate the promotion and possible backlash that may 250 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 2: come with this book. And I have noticed on the 251 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 2: whole Spotify deal that Sarah and Kurt beginning to launch 252 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 2: a lot of their friends and relatives podcasts. So Sarah's 253 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 2: sister has a podcast called Welcome to the Womb because 254 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 2: she's a midwife, and it's brought to you by House 255 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 2: of grom Now. A couple of months ago, we discussed 256 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,319 Speaker 2: how this is Sarah and Kurt's new sort of production 257 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 2: house and they're getting into producing podcasts. So I do 258 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 2: wonder if Spotify has forced Sarah and Kurt to make 259 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 2: a statement about this episode. Could there potentially be a 260 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 2: split between Spotify and the Health Code because they might 261 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 2: want to just go and be produced by a house 262 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 2: of grom so that they're not accountable to anyone and 263 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 2: can say literally whatever they want. Well, Sarah did say 264 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 2: on an Instagram story that a lot of people are 265 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,839 Speaker 2: wanting the longer format episodes and are really missing them. 266 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 2: And she did say, oh, you know, you never know 267 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 2: what's to come, so you could be right there, Kate. Now, 268 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 2: the social media promotion around this particular episode was also 269 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 2: very questionable, but those who didn't see it. The Health 270 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 2: Code uploaded a highly posed photo of Sarah in a 271 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 2: white begin holding her newborn on a holiday, and I 272 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 2: just feel like that photo is so far from the 273 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 2: reality that most mums going through postpartum experience. I mean, firstly, 274 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 2: many mums pointed out that they would not be wearing 275 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 2: a white bikini a couple of weeks after giving birth 276 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 2: because they'd be worried about any sort of blood, lee 277 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 2: kids or anything. 278 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: Like that, And I just don't get why they chose 279 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: the image. 280 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 2: The photo had already caused debate on Sarah's own Instagram 281 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 2: account and also led to her uploading a video where 282 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 2: she showed her seven week postpartum body at all these 283 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 2: different angles, and in the caption, she wrote, I wanted 284 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 2: to demonstrate how impactful posing and lighting can be in 285 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 2: terms of the sig. I can twist my body and 286 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 2: make it look like I have a tight toned stomach. However, unsurprisingly, 287 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 2: being seven weeks postpartum, my stomach is still soft and 288 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 2: a little unstable. 289 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: I mean, if you're trying to. 290 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 2: Be relatable, why would you not use a photo of you, 291 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 2: perhaps in bad lighting, that wasn't posed as much, that 292 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 2: was actually a little bit more relatable to what other 293 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 2: women are going through at the moment. Yeah, and that 294 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 2: photo that Sarah uploaded epitomized bounce back, and you can't 295 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 2: say that that wasn't the point of the whole episode. 296 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 2: And another part of the statement that really stood out 297 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 2: to me was the part where they said that the 298 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 2: episode title doesn't reflect our own values or empower women 299 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 2: to always feel comfortable in their own skin. Now, for 300 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 2: anyone who watches Sarah's channel, she is always taking part 301 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 2: in what she calls project comebacks, and after their recent 302 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 2: trip to Port Douglas. She discussed on her stories how 303 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 2: she and Kurt needed to get back into health and fitness, 304 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 2: and you know, they just needed to get back on track. 305 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 2: And Sarah is continuously body shaming Kurt. She's always saying, 306 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 2: you know, paying out his dad bod when he doesn't 307 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 2: even have a dad bod. And we can't forget when 308 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 2: Kurt said in his wedding vows that he prayed for 309 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 2: a skinny wife. These two are both so caught up 310 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 2: in diet culture. This has just shown how out of 311 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 2: touch they they still are, and that they're really entrenched 312 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 2: in that old school diet culture. And it just makes 313 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 2: me feel really sad for mums who are probably feeling 314 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 2: pretty isolated and perhaps alone at this time during their 315 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 2: own postpartum and are going online to find mothers that 316 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 2: they connect with and are seeing this sort of damaging imagery. 317 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 2: And I mean that being said, there is absolutely nothing 318 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 2: wrong with wanting to lead a fit and healthy lifestyle 319 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 2: and wanting to exercise, but I think there's a total 320 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 2: difference between telling women that they must bounce back that's 321 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 2: their number one aim. As soon as you can work out, 322 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 2: hit the gym. I mean most women don't have time 323 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 2: to be going to the gym when they've got a 324 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 2: seven week old baby. I mean, they don't have all 325 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 2: of the luxuries the Sarah may have. Oh it's all 326 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 2: just so ignorant, And I just don't understand how these 327 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 2: two still have such a massive platform when they are 328 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 2: so out of touch with reality. They literally still think 329 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 2: that bounce back culture should still be a thing, and 330 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 2: they have both participated it in so many times, not 331 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 2: even just the pregnancy with Fox, but this time around, 332 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 2: we have seen so many times where Sarah is pushing 333 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 2: this toxic culture, and it really makes me feel sick 334 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 2: thinking about the impact that this episode would have had 335 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 2: on mothers with postnatal depression and even just mothers in general. 336 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 2: There is enough pressure on mums when they have just 337 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 2: had a newborn to even think about going to the gym. 338 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 2: It just makes me feel really sad and actually really 339 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 2: stressed out to think that when I become a mum, 340 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 2: and how seeing this type of content will make me 341 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 2: feel when I'm in a really impressionable stage and also 342 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 2: a very vulnerable stage. Now in this statement, it was 343 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 2: super confusing because they were acting as though they were 344 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 2: removing the episode completely, but they ended up just editing 345 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 2: certain bits out. 346 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: So they edited the bit out. 347 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 2: Where Kurt said who cares if they're sensitive and that 348 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 2: they weren't going to be putting all these disclaimers in 349 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 2: for the sensitive ones. And I just can't believe they 350 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 2: didn't pull this whole episode completely. I mean, they're just 351 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 2: opening themselves up to credit and for people to go 352 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 2: and check out the episode more. It also took them 353 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 2: a while, but they did change the title of the 354 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 2: episode to Seysi's Top Tips Caring for your Body Postpartum. Now, 355 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 2: to me, this title didn't even make sense because they 356 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 2: kept the original episode minus a few parts, and the 357 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 2: whole episode was talking about how to sort of prepare 358 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 2: your body whilst you were pregnant, so it was easier 359 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 2: to bounce back. So why not just completely pull the episode, 360 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 2: as you said, and re record it to an episode 361 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 2: of how to Care for your Body postpartum? I just 362 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 2: don't get it. 363 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 5: If you're feeling sad about all the influencers going to 364 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 5: fashion Week, just know they're all having like the most awful, 365 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 5: boring small talk with each other while they wait to 366 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 5: get a photo in front of that brick wall. 367 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 2: The who's who of the influencer world was out in 368 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 2: force at Australian Fashion Week, while Sammy Robinson took center 369 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 2: stage with her clothing line One Mile debuting its own 370 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 2: runway show, other influences and reality these stars were fighting 371 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 2: for front row seats, so a lot of drama went 372 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 2: down and some critics were not happy to see influencers 373 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 2: basking in the limelight. 374 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:10,479 Speaker 1: No they weren't. 375 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 2: This year's guest list was put under the spotlight by 376 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 2: The Sydney Morning Herald, who said that the star power 377 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 2: was lacking this year, so a lot of A List 378 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 2: celebrities were replaced by influencers, reality stars and girls from 379 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 2: Sydney's social scene. And in the past, I mean I 380 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 2: didn't realize this, but we've had huge a list celebrities 381 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 2: going to Australian Fashion Week, so people like el McPherson, 382 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 2: Kim Kardashian, Mischa Barton have all been flown down. But 383 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 2: this year we didn't really have anyone of that caliber, 384 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 2: and journalist Andrew Hornery wrote it was left to the 385 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 2: likes of former Foreign Affairs Minister Julie Bishop. Married at 386 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 2: First Sight has been NASA and Kyle Sandland's ex girl 387 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 2: for an image in Anthony to soak up the limelight 388 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 2: in front row. It's a bit harsh on Julie Bishop. 389 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 4: Oh. 390 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 2: I know, I hardly call her has been, but I 391 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 2: mean now. Some of the notable influences in attendance were 392 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 2: Maddie j Brittany Hockley, Laura brn Anna Heinrich, Bella Valaris, 393 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 2: Olivia Rodgers, Jadi Tunci, Maps, Olivia Fraser and also Dominica Now. 394 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 2: Online critics also slammed the guest list and these comments 395 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 2: did crack me up. Someone wrote, the largest bunch of 396 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 2: wannabe nobody's assembled in Sydney is I don't agree with 397 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 2: that because I actually like a lot of the influencers 398 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 2: on that list. Another person said it's a dingy, tiny, 399 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 2: try hard event with a bunch of wannabes. 400 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 1: Just give up. Sydney is embarrassing. 401 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 2: Well. The Daily Mail reported that former Vogue editor Christy 402 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 2: Clements defended organizer's decisions to invite reality stars and influencers, 403 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 2: saying the new breed of celebrity reflected fashion's new accessibility. 404 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 2: Christie said everyone has the right to participate and enjoy 405 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 2: Fashion Week, and that's not me being woke. That's the reality. 406 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 2: She continued by saying, yes, it's not as elite as 407 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 2: it used to be, but you know what fashion is entertainment. 408 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 2: I completely agree with Christy. I mean, influencers are the 409 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 2: new breed of celebrity, and they have incredible impact over 410 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 2: what young women are buying. And they are so integrated 411 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 2: in the fashion space now, whether they're the face of 412 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 2: a fashion brand or whether they're starting their own fashion line, 413 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 2: that it would be unfair to exclude them, and I agree, 414 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 2: it would make it this very elite, untouchable event, and 415 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 2: I think, of course we're going to see them sitting 416 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 2: front row of Fashion Week. I do think that these 417 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,479 Speaker 2: journalists seem hung up on the fact that they don't 418 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 2: know who these influences are and therefore they're not relevant 419 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 2: or important. I've noticed that rhetoric around a lot. It's like, oh, okay, 420 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 2: so I don't know who they are, I'm still cool. 421 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 2: So maybe these people are just stupid and that they're 422 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 2: not important. But it's completely untrue, and it's quite clear 423 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 2: that these influencers have been picked for a very specific reason. 424 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 2: And I have been seeing fashion Week all over my newsfeed. 425 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 2: I've been seeing all the runways. It's very attainable now 426 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,959 Speaker 2: in this fashion, it's not so snooty and so exclusive 427 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 2: that we all can't be a part of it, and 428 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 2: I think that that's a great move. The one thing 429 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 2: I did agree with with this article was the fact 430 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 2: that I did think that there were an overwhelming amount 431 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,479 Speaker 2: of reality stars there, because I do think reality stars 432 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 2: and influencers fall in two pretty separate categories. And yes, 433 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 2: of course I think that the people who the contestants 434 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 2: that were on maps this year should have been invited. 435 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 2: It did seem a little bit tacky to have people 436 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 2: from three or four years ago that most of us 437 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 2: don't remember, and also people who don't really have anything 438 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 2: to do with fashion. The thing is, though, how many 439 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 2: of them were actually at the top shows? Because I 440 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 2: heard Laura and Britt on Life on cart talking about 441 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 2: Fashion Week and they were giving a bit of an 442 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 2: inside look at it, and they were saying that there's 443 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 2: this notorious brick wall where you'll see a lot of 444 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 2: influencers posing for photos and essentially you don't even have 445 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 2: to attend the event to be able to access this wall. 446 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 5: Wow. 447 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 2: So it's likely that a lot of people influencers were 448 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 2: just rocking up. They're taking their photos and pretending that 449 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 2: they were a part of the event and they were not. 450 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,719 Speaker 2: And they were also explaining how there's you know, different 451 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 2: shows and certain shows will attract you know, the higher 452 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 2: echellent of people and then other shows may have reality 453 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 2: stars at it. Well, it was pretty funny because the 454 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 2: Daily Mail and also Pedestrian actually reported that a couple 455 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 2: of former Maths contestants were trying to steal the front 456 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 2: row seats and actually succeeded. 457 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: So apparently Nasa was. 458 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 2: Spotted front row at an Oreton show, which people found 459 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 2: quite shocking, and he was sitting next to Phoebe Burgers 460 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 2: at the show, and apparently sources say that she actually 461 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 2: turned her back on Nasa because he kept trying to 462 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 2: talk to her and ask for a photo, and after 463 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 2: getting nothing from her, he finally left that front row 464 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 2: seat and gave it to the actual occupant of the seat. Now, embarrassingly, 465 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 2: he actually came up to her after the show allegedly 466 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 2: and snapped a photo with her and then posted it 467 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 2: to his Instagram account as if he was hobnobbing with her. 468 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 2: Oh awkward, so was he? Did he steal the front 469 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 2: row seat so he could film a little bit to 470 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 2: act as if he was front row or is it 471 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 2: just trying to get a selfie with Phoebe? 472 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: I think both now. 473 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 2: The other alleged seats dealer was Olivia Fraser from MAVs, 474 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 2: who apparently snuck into the first row of the Beck 475 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 2: and Bridge show after being seated in the second row. Now, 476 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 2: the original owner of the front row seat was apparently 477 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 2: not impressed and was loudly complaining, so these publications actually 478 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 2: went to Olivia's rep. So Olivia's rep confirmed that she 479 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 2: did indeed sit at the front row, but insisted that 480 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 2: no one complained. She continued by saying that Olivia was 481 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 2: chatting to a number of people in the front row 482 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 2: who asked her to stay, so she did and continued 483 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 2: to watch the show. It's pretty funny because in Adelaide 484 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 2: we work with a number of fashion brands and we 485 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 2: have been involved in getting influences to come along to 486 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 2: some of the fashion parades. I mean it's not quite 487 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 2: the influences that you're thinking about who attend in Sydney 488 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 2: and Melbourne, but there have been a few fights over 489 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 2: the seat. So one of the girls, someone just completely 490 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 2: stole a seat. I think it was a member of 491 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 2: the public just sat down in her seat and they 492 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 2: stole her goodie bag. 493 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: So she had the seat in the back row. She 494 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 1: was so dirty about it. 495 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 2: I mean, it is pretty bad. Like, there's nothing worse 496 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 2: than having your seat stolen if you've got a good seat, 497 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 2: and there's that awkward thing where you're like, I really 498 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 2: want to say. 499 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 1: Something, but do you but you don't want to sound 500 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: like a dickhead. 501 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 2: At the same time as well, I can imagine just 502 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 2: sort of being like, all right, I'll sit back here, 503 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 2: and it's very awkward. Well, in terms of influencers, everyone 504 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 2: was talking about Sammy Robinson's fashion label One Mile, which 505 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 2: made its debut at Australian Fashion Week and in the 506 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 2: fashion world this is a pretty big deal because the 507 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 2: brand is only two years old and it's an online 508 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 2: only brand. So the runway show was held at Beta 509 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 2: Restaurant in Sydney's CBD and to fit with One Miles 510 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 2: beachy laid back vibe, they constructed this is really cool 511 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 2: wooden board walk for the runway, which also had sand 512 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 2: around it, and the room was packed with fellow designers, media, 513 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 2: friends and family. Now for those fashionists out there on 514 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 2: the runway. Sammy's collection included knitted skirts and mini sun 515 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 2: dresses in deep ocean blues and mossy green colors, as 516 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 2: well as leather corsets and matching pants. I hope I 517 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 2: sounded very in fashion then you did. And at the 518 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 2: end of the show, Sammy appeared in a chocolate brown 519 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 2: floor length jumpsuit which Olivia from Mouse probably didn't like, 520 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 2: and waved to the crowd before running off. And as 521 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 2: as self confess Sammy Robinson fan, I was so excited 522 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 2: for her and really proud of her in a weird way. 523 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: She just looks so happy. 524 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 2: And it was really nice to see someone actually taking 525 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 2: their brand to the next level. I mean, obviously she's 526 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 2: had a lot of privilege in her life which has 527 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 2: helped her get to that level. But people no longer 528 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 2: consider one Mile as an influencer brand. It seems to 529 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,479 Speaker 2: be a brand that's actually standing on its own. Eld 530 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 2: actually did a large spread on the show and interviewed 531 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 2: Sammy about her early success, and Sammy said that it 532 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 2: was really important for one Mile to stand on its 533 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 2: own separate to her influencer career. She said it was 534 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 2: important to me that it wasn't a one off launch, 535 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 2: so I made sure I planned a year in advance 536 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 2: so the brand would have timely drops, consistent launchers, cohesive collections. 537 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 2: This way, we were able to retain our customer base 538 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 2: and ultimately build it to be bigger than just an 539 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 2: influencer brand. I wanted it to be strong enough on 540 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 2: its own that people came back not just for me, 541 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 2: but because they loved the product. I was really impressed 542 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 2: with this quote. I mean, it's hard because when you 543 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 2: see all these influencers being faces of brands, you do 544 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 2: question how much effort they put in and how much 545 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 2: of it is them and not some sort of. 546 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 1: Team behind them. 547 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 2: But I think when you follow Sammy on social media, 548 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 2: it's quite clear how passionate and hands on she is. Yeah, 549 00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 2: and the brand has really grown exponentially since Sammy launched 550 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 2: out of her apartment with their part time PA, because 551 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 2: she now has seven full time staff members and said 552 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 2: that they're ready to take on global expansion. And it's 553 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 2: just so fantastic to see her flourishing in the fashion world. 554 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 2: And I think that she is paving a real career 555 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 2: for herself outside of the influencer space, which potentially doesn't 556 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 2: have as much longevity as other careers. I also think 557 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 2: it would have been especially tough for Sammy last week 558 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 2: because obviously rumors are swirling that she may no longer 559 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 2: be with Jordan Simmy, and I mean, it would be 560 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 2: an incredible amount of work to put on a show 561 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 2: like this, and it'd be really hard if you emotionally 562 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 2: were upset or destroy I mean, I can just reflect 563 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 2: on how terrible I was going through a breakup. So 564 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 2: I think hats off to her that she was able 565 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 2: to pull it all together, particularly with all of the 566 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 2: stuff going on in her personal life as well. Oh yeah, 567 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 2: I kept thinking about that and kept thinking how clear 568 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 2: it is that they have broken up, because surely if 569 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 2: they were together, he would be there at her show 570 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 2: front row. Yeah, exactly. 571 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 1: Now. 572 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 2: Another influencer who made headlines at Australian Fashion Week was 573 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 2: jar Da Tunci, and The Confidential reported that many industry 574 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 2: commentators were not impressed by her fashion choices. So it 575 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 2: appears that she committed a cardinal sin when it comes 576 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 2: to Australian Fashion Week because she was dressed head to 577 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 2: toe in Louisvaton, which is obviously an international brand, so 578 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 2: one local designer said, Obviously everyone loves a high end label, 579 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 2: but at fashion Week, when it's all about Australian designers, 580 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 2: it's pretty average to promote an international brand. She clearly 581 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 2: didn't read the room. Of course, you can wear an 582 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 2: international designer to fashion Week, but when you are an 583 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 2: influencer and people are dressing you, it'd be nice to 584 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 2: support local. Why not access her eyes with a bag 585 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 2: or shoes, but wear an Australian designer. I'm not Jarde 586 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 2: Tunci's number one fan, clearly, but I actually felt a 587 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 2: little bit bad for her and felt that this attention 588 00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 2: was quite unwarranted. She only wore Louis v Aton to 589 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 2: day two of fashion Week, she was there all week. 590 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 2: When she went to support her friend Sammy Robinson, she 591 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 2: did wear one mile and I just think at the 592 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 2: moment a lot of news organizations are wanting to jump 593 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 2: on and slam her so that then they can bring 594 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 2: up all the other controversies. They obviously know that she's 595 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 2: good click bait, and I just thought it was a 596 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 2: little bit unwarranted. Yeah. Well, she wore Beckenbridge to beckham 597 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 2: Bridge a show. As you said, she wore one mile 598 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 2: to Sammy Robinson's show, so it was one day where 599 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 2: she will wore Louis Vton. It seems like a little 600 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 2: bit of a stretch. I did find it interesting that 601 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 2: she was sitting in the front row though at a 602 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 2: lot of these fashion shows, considering all the controversies that 603 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 2: she has been a part of. I suppose in the end, 604 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 2: all of these controversies just make her a bigger name 605 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 2: because a lot of mainstream media have been picking up 606 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 2: on stories about her, so it seems to have really 607 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 2: helped her career. The fact that they noticed that she 608 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 2: was wearing Louis Vuittona made a story about it. Well. 609 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 2: A lot of the shows that she did sit front 610 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 2: row at was shows. They were put on by her 611 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 2: management agency, Max Connectors, and for those who don't know, 612 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 2: they actually run a p R business also while specializing 613 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 2: in influencers. 614 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: So maybe It's fashion. 615 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 2: Week was seen as a bit of a rebranding move 616 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 2: for her and an effort to get her back out 617 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 2: there talking about like what the influencers were wearing. I 618 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 2: found it hilarious because Sammy Robinson and Bella Valaris, they're 619 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 2: sort of in the same friendship group. As Jardi Tunci. 620 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 2: So they were all hanging out with each other and 621 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 2: they clearly don't communicate because they rocked up in the 622 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 2: same outfit. It was this stripe round. Yeah, it's so 623 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 2: funny because Bella Valarus is quite short and Sammy Robinson's 624 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 2: quite tall, and because the outfits were striped and like 625 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 2: matching top and bottoms. I think that's the cord. I 626 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 2: don't know, I'm showing my lack of fashion knowledge, but 627 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 2: they kind of late bananas in pajamas when I was 628 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 2: doing Next to I did really enjoy Abby Chatfield's brand 629 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 2: about fashion Week. Now she didn't attend. I'm not sure 630 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 2: if it's because she chose not to ad because there 631 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 2: were quite a few influencers. Well, I don't like to 632 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 2: call her an influencer, but a podcast of Victoria Devine 633 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 2: didn't want to attend the event because it is sponsored 634 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 2: by after Pay. Well, I think maybe Appy was doing 635 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 2: her live podcast shows. Maybe that's why she wasn't there. 636 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 5: Yeah. 637 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 2: Well, in this Instagram story, she reassured her fans that 638 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 2: they weren't missing out on anything by not being there. 639 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 2: She said, if you're feeling sad about all the influencers 640 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 2: going to fashion Week. Just know that they're having the 641 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 2: most boring, awful small talk with each other while they 642 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 2: wait to get a photo in front of the brick wall. 643 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: Like just know that. 644 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 2: It's funny because Laura Byrne and Brittany Honkley were also 645 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 2: saying that while they had a good time at fashion Week, 646 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 2: you have to get there so early, so there's all 647 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 2: this prep to get there and wait around, and then 648 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 2: the shows only go for like seven minutes. 649 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: Oh oh my god. I didn't know that any went 650 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: for that one. That's crazy. I think it looked really exhausting. 651 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 2: I kept watching Olivia Rodgers' updates and it did look 652 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 2: like very early starts, a lot. 653 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: Of makeup, a lot of prep. I mean, it did 654 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: really seem to be all about the photos and being 655 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: seen there. 656 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 2: Oh definitely. I mean the fact that someone like Olivia 657 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 2: Rogers brought her stylist style by Bloom Paul Forsaci, you 658 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 2: can see that this is such an important event to 659 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 2: get photos at and to look fashionable. Obviously it's Australian 660 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 2: Fashion Week. 661 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: What do we do? 662 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 2: I want to save these little baby rats. I want to. 663 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: Keep them lack. 664 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 5: Can we do? 665 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: You want to keep them as pets. The baby lack See. 666 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 3: How could anyone kill how could a perscuy kill this? 667 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 2: It's so sad. I don't even know where to begin 668 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 2: with this segment, but Sky Wheatley has taken her followers 669 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 2: on the journey of attempting to rescue four baby rats 670 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 2: that were born in her kitchen cupboard. O. This just 671 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 2: makes you feel sick even thinking about it now. What 672 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 2: disturbed me the most was that she decided to pick 673 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 2: up the baby rats out of the cupboard, lay them 674 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 2: in her hand, and begin patting them. She told the 675 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 2: camera that she was obsessed with them and wanted to 676 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 2: keep them. She then continued to ask her son Forest 677 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 2: if he would like to hold one of the rat. 678 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 2: At this point, all I saw was that she was 679 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 2: holding a baby rat on her Instagram story. She hadn't 680 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 2: prefaced that these rats were from her pantry. I was like, 681 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 2: surely this is someone's pet rat. There must be a backstory, 682 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 2: but no, these are rats that she had discovered had 683 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 2: been born in her pantry. I could not believe it, 684 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 2: like it made my skin crawl. And this is coming 685 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 2: from someone who is a vegetarian. I'm an animal lover 686 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 2: and it just made me one to volmit. One of 687 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 2: the baby rats sadly only had three legs and part 688 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 2: of its tail missing. And when Sky asked her son. 689 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: Forest, so horrible. And when she asked her son, Forest, 690 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: would you like to pat the rat, He's like, isn't 691 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: it dead? 692 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 2: I feel so horrible laughing about this poor rat without 693 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 2: a leg. But the whole thing is because this actually 694 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 2: really shook me to my core. I went and googled 695 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 2: after like, because I always thought that if you disturbed 696 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 2: a nest, then the mother rat or whatever that mother 697 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 2: animal would abandon the babies. And from my googling, it 698 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 2: appears that you're not meant to tamper with the nest. 699 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 2: So I just don't understand why she held the rats. 700 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 2: It seems like she does have a bit of a 701 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 2: history with rats, because Guy explained that she used to 702 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 2: have a pet rat as a kid, and she said 703 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 2: she used to allow it to eat food from her mouth. 704 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,280 Speaker 1: Oh sorry, she did clarify. 705 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 2: The pet rat was called Mitzi, and she said that 706 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 2: Mitzi used to eat food. 707 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:35,320 Speaker 1: From her teeth. 708 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 2: I'm surprised she called it Mitzi because I'm assuming that's 709 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 2: a throwback to that ABC show the ferals and Mitzi's 710 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 2: the rabbit and Rattus is the rat. 711 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: If it was a girl, maybe she didn't want to 712 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:47,800 Speaker 1: girl it Rattis. 713 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 2: She did put up a question box, though, asking her 714 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 2: followers what she should do with them and how she 715 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,319 Speaker 2: could save them, So in her defense, I think she 716 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 2: was trying to come from the right place, and she 717 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 2: seemed to be quite protective over the rats. 718 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 1: But I just want to put it out there because 719 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:04,359 Speaker 1: I did a bit. 720 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 2: Of googling while was watching these Instagram stories, and I 721 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 2: just don't want anyone to think it's a good idea 722 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 2: if you find a rat to actually touch them, because 723 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 2: I mean, I can't even read out the number of 724 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:18,720 Speaker 2: different diseases that they potentially can hold. And as you say, Kate, 725 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 2: a lot of people were messaging sky saying, oh, the 726 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 2: fact that you've now touched these rats, the mother may 727 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 2: potentially eat them because your scent is now all over 728 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 2: the rat. Because disturbingly, after she took them out of 729 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 2: the cupboard, she then decided to put them back in 730 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 2: the cupboard, back in the newness And oh, actually I 731 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,720 Speaker 2: felt like vomiting this new nest out of toilet rolls. 732 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 2: But man, She's like, oh, there's a rat piss and 733 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 2: shit in this cupboard. I was like, well, thankfully she 734 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 2: did ring a wildlife rescue park who said, bring the 735 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,360 Speaker 2: rats in. Potentially, if they're native rats, we may be 736 00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,439 Speaker 2: able to rehome them or save them. So she did 737 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 2: do the right thing. She went and took them in, 738 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 2: but then, sadly, it then flashed to a scene in 739 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:09,280 Speaker 2: the car where she was hysterically crying because the wildlife 740 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 2: rescuer said that there's a high chance that these rats 741 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 2: are not native and they are in fact pest, so 742 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 2: if they are, we will have to euthanize them. And 743 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,439 Speaker 2: I'm sorry because it's actually really sad. But the whole 744 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 2: thing that stuck with me is she kept saying euthanate 745 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 2: instead of. 746 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,720 Speaker 1: Euthanized, Like, oh my god. 747 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 2: I did feel sorry for Sky because I could tell 748 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,240 Speaker 2: that she was very caring because a lot of people 749 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 2: would be like, ooh, yuck, I'm getting them exterminated. And 750 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 2: I actually recently had a mouse plague in my house 751 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 2: and I'm sure a lot of people have been in 752 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 2: that situation recently. 753 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 1: Well, you live in the hills, so yeah, I mean 754 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:45,319 Speaker 1: a little bit more. 755 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, but no, there was that massive mouse plague in 756 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 2: New South Wales as well. Didn't you see that footage? 757 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,880 Speaker 2: It was alarming anyway, and I, being vegetarian and an 758 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 2: animal lover, was like, okay, we have to get humane 759 00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 2: mouse catchures. So I got them and you fill it 760 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 2: up with peace butter and essentially catches them and then 761 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 2: you go and let the mice out. So I was 762 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 2: doing that and it was literally like filling up every 763 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,760 Speaker 2: hour with like two more mass and then I would 764 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 2: get my car drive to the reserve a little bit 765 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 2: away from my house and let them out. And I 766 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,319 Speaker 2: ended up having to call the pest inspector and be like, 767 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 2: I don't know what to do. There seems to be 768 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 2: so many of them, and he said, look, you can't 769 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 2: actually humanly get rid of them. Mice have a gestation 770 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,720 Speaker 2: period of I think it was something like twenty eight days, 771 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 2: and he said your house could literally have hundreds of 772 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 2: mice in it in no time, and I was like, fuck. 773 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 2: So sadly it seems to be a problem that you 774 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,360 Speaker 2: do have to get professionals involved, and it's really hard 775 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,719 Speaker 2: to be humane and it makes you feel so sad 776 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,279 Speaker 2: even thinking about it. But you've got to protect your 777 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 2: own health and safety as well. So are we thinking 778 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 2: that Sky Wheatley's mansion is going to have a couple 779 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,400 Speaker 2: of hundred rats anytime soon? Well, you've just got to 780 00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 2: get rid of the sauce I suppose. 781 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 1: Well the mother is still running around. 782 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, well I did google what the gestation period for 783 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,839 Speaker 2: rats were. It's similar to mice. I think it's twenty 784 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 2: eight days, and that they can have litters of around 785 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 2: eight rats. So it seems like that would really get 786 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 2: out of hand pretty quickly. I just want to say, 787 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,320 Speaker 2: before we finished this episode, I'm so sorry if anyone 788 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 2: was eating their breakfast, because I had my lunch before 789 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 2: recording this and I found it quite difficult to eat 790 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 2: because it just made my skin crawel. 791 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:26,280 Speaker 1: This whole topic. 792 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 2: Oh well, I think that's all we've got time for today. 793 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us for another episode. Who would 794 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,840 Speaker 2: think we would be talking about Sky Whitley's baby rats. 795 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 2: If you have enjoyed the show, could you please make 796 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 2: sure you subscribe on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. 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