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Speaker 2: You're listening to Mix one O four point nine's three

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Speaker 2: sixty and it's Tuesday morning. Time for the Big Issues.

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Speaker 2: Mought to you by Kolano Community Association and Aborigin Alone

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Speaker 2: Dave Tolna, good morning, Great to be with you, Katie,

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Speaker 2: good to see you. And Damian Hale, good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Wolfy. How are you?

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Speaker 2: Oh good, thank you. Great to have you both here.

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Speaker 2: Now we know that pretty crazy at the moment, obviously,

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Speaker 2: Queensland door Brisbane is in a lockdown, three day lockdown.

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Speaker 2: It has an enormous impact obviously on the people of

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Speaker 2: moment they're going through all that contract, the contact tracing

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Speaker 2: and all sorts of things. It means that there's a

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Speaker 2: number of areas that have now been declared COVID hotspots

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Speaker 2: for those people that travel into the Northern territory and

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Speaker 2: some people have to go into isolation out at Howard springs,

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Speaker 2: others having to self isolate. However, you look at it,

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Speaker 2: it's going to wreak havoc on Queensland ahead of the

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Speaker 2: East Long weekend, and you know, ultimately we just caught

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Speaker 2: up with Alex Bruce from Hospitality NT. It has a

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Speaker 1: I don't they've beenned them going into West Australia too.

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Speaker 1: They've closed the border to WA from Brisbane. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: take much and they just shut the whole joint down.

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Speaker 1: But it gets me like you think, twelve months ago,

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Speaker 1: the whole thing was about flattening the curve because we're

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Speaker 1: worried that our hospitals wouldn't cope. You know, there's practically

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Speaker 1: no one's got it anywhere. There's no issue with hospitals coping.

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Speaker 1: You sort of wonder why everything has to be shut

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Speaker 1: down for one or two isolated cases.

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Speaker 2: Well, from what I can see in Queensland at the moment,

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Speaker 2: they've now got seventy eight active cases of the virus,

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Speaker 2: up from five on February twenty. But these Queensland's got

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Speaker 2: these ten new cases over the past twenty four hours,

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Speaker 2: eight of them as a result of that cammunity transmission.

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Speaker 2: The other two cases were required overseas. I guess the

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Speaker 2: ones that are in hotel quarantine. You know, we're less

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Speaker 2: But it's that community transmission that is always a worry,

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Speaker 2: isn't it Hailey.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think unless the.

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Speaker 4: Quick shutdowns are working and the fact that they used them,

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Speaker 4: it gives them an opportunity. They closed for three or

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Speaker 4: four days. I's sure. You know, it does put pressure

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Speaker 4: they can isolate an area they do their contract, their

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Speaker 4: contact tracing tracing. I was down in Brisbane a few

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Speaker 4: weeks ago. Everywhere you went, I've got two different apps

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Speaker 4: on me phone where they were very strict on the

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Speaker 4: checking out wherever you are, cafes, if you going to

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Speaker 4: and that sort of stuff. So I think until we

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Speaker 4: get the vaccination all rolled out.

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Speaker 1: I think people vaccination, but don't you.

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Speaker 4: But they've just got to be a little bit patient.

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Speaker 4: You know, Australians are just having no patients at time.

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Speaker 1: But you sort of wonder about the vaccinations. Now I'm

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Speaker 1: not at any vaccent at all, but you do ask questions,

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Speaker 1: don't you. When you see our chief was front of

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Speaker 2: He'd did one of us first.

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Speaker 1: He was the first, and then and then and then

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Speaker 1: the health officer, the chief Health officer was also getting

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Speaker 3: Jump in the queue. It just depends on's terrorists. Another

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Speaker 1: But now in isolation, isolation morning, this is the first

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Speaker 2: I need to do a fact check because he wasn't

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Speaker 2: The question, though, I asked the question of the Health

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Speaker 2: So do you still need to go into isolation if

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Speaker 2: if I come into contact with somebody who's been into state.

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Speaker 2: So it actually asks it does bring up that broader

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Speaker 4: He thought there was always a broader question.

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Speaker 1: I mean it makes a sort of a man of

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Speaker 1: a joke and the whole affair, this Jacob putting himself

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Speaker 1: into isolation. I mean he's fretting, constantly fretting. Well, I'm

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Speaker 1: playing that he's a fretter. You know that he's fretting

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Speaker 2: Again saying that he's being obviously extra cautious.

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Speaker 1: That's right, fretting himself to you know, his sickness.

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Speaker 4: But if he's been around of people that could be

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Speaker 4: exposed to COVID at nineteen and he just decided then

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Speaker 4: and says, well, I'll get a COVID test on how

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Speaker 1: But he's given We've got no one up here who's

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Speaker 4: So he's gone into isolation. He's done the right thing,

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Speaker 4: and Dave just attacks him still.

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Speaker 1: Virus he's taking vaccinated. A brazy isolation. I mean, what

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Speaker 3: Tough runners Chief Ministry.

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Speaker 4: He's probably felt like he's been in isolation for five years.

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Speaker 3: To be honest.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I.

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Speaker 2: three days? Ronnie's was wine, and Maddie and Tommy.

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Speaker 1: If I said of Paul's iced coffee, wife had come

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Speaker 4: The I was once sent to get the cyclone kit,

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Speaker 4: you imagine what I've been gone.

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Speaker 1: And getting about twenty four years.

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Speaker 4: Always and coals, Alls and coals will open during the

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Speaker 4: eye of a cyclone. Mare that keen to make your sales,

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Speaker 4: so you have to worry too much about it.

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Speaker 1: Exactly three sixty with Katie Wolf on Mix one oh

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Speaker 2: You are listening to Mix one oh four point nine's

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Speaker 2: the Big Issues, proudly brought to you by Kolano Community

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Speaker 2: Association and Aboridge and loaned operated and community lead organization

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Speaker 2: from the top end to Tenant Creek and Dave Tolner

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Speaker 2: and Damian Hale are in the studio with me. Now

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Speaker 2: I do want to and having.

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Speaker 1: A laugh cough. He was sitting on this seat, not

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Speaker 3: Actually, I've got it twice.

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Speaker 2: Hale's going to go into isolation now.

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Speaker 1: He's been an isolator. The next he went to Adelaide

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Speaker 1: a little while back. I had to come back, put

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Speaker 1: himself a nice and got to test what these labor

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Speaker 1: people do. They like isolation an actual fact. It's good

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Speaker 1: for the community to how longer they spend in isolation.

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Speaker 2: I've had to test.

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Speaker 4: You've got to put it up, make sure you get

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Speaker 3: It feels no second. That's all of them. That's my

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Speaker 2: Look, I want to talk about the fact that there

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Speaker 2: but will remain on the Morrison government front bench. Prime

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Speaker 2: wake of more than a month of bungled responses. Is

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Speaker 2: how it's been reported to the issues regarding harassment and

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Speaker 4: I'm just looking at Dave response to the reshuffle.

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Speaker 2: I'm hoping. I'm guessing what the Prime Minister is hoping

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Speaker 2: for is some clear air by moving these two sort

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Speaker 1: So you came up with it, Hailey Aiy said it's

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Speaker 1: well everybody says it is. I mean, Christian Porter hasn't

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Speaker 2: That's to keep him in that position when he's you know,

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Speaker 1: But he's been completely defined. He's trying to defend himself,

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Speaker 1: and you know, there's I don't think anybody has seriously

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Speaker 2: Thirty idears well, the time will tell, I guess in

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Speaker 2: terms of that defamation case.

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Speaker 1: So it's viewed, well, the defamation case is something completely

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Speaker 1: on before it. You know, but Ultimately, no crimes have

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Speaker 1: they've been moved sideways because because perceptions, well there's seriously

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Speaker 1: in in your view, is there a guilt before?

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Speaker 2: But I think when you're talking about in the particularly

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Speaker 2: then you know, having to to apologize for calling her

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Speaker 2: her office has managed it I think is very it's

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Speaker 2: it's very bad. You know, we've got a situation around

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Speaker 2: you know, they do not want to be treated poorly

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Speaker 2: in any workplace. But then when you're talking about it's.

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Speaker 1: Pretty careman, see that what happened in the last week

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Speaker 2: What it was, it shouldn't matter, It shouldn't.

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Speaker 1: Matter, right, but it's never been sort of mentioned then

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Speaker 2: Marriage, oh my goodness, very badly.

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Speaker 1: But these reported honestly, because it doesn't feed into that.

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Speaker 2: Make it all right, any of that behavior, It.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't make it at all.

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Speaker 2: And this is the whole point that people are making,

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Speaker 2: like it's absolute bullshit. It's not the point that people

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Speaker 1: It's not the point that people are making.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's the point I'm making.

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Speaker 1: The point that people are making is that it's somehow

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Speaker 2: I don't want a situation where anybody in Parliament House

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Speaker 1: The reporting on these issues has led left a lot

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Speaker 1: It's not. It's about seriously depraved people acting appallingly badly.

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Speaker 1: It's not anything to do with misogyny.

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Speaker 2: You and I will agree to disagree because, particularly in

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Speaker 2: Event you go months after the event, we have got

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Speaker 4: I think there's been back on what you were just saying, though,

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Speaker 3: So he's actually got a live legal.

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Speaker 4: So I think that's a normal sort of process to occur.

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Speaker 4: But the Liberal Party have just so clunky when it

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Speaker 4: so we're actually no, let me finish David. So we've

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Speaker 1: What is your response me, what is your response? You're

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Speaker 1: saying that you know that it's not an adequate response

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Speaker 1: What what response would.

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Speaker 4: You give whenever different to that, whenever he's talking about

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Speaker 4: it should be merit based. We don't want you know.

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Speaker 1: You should just get animation.

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Speaker 4: Well sometimes they look at some we had it, so

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Speaker 4: it was we had affirmative action, which was quotas if

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Speaker 3: But what the affirmative action.

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Speaker 4: Quotas did was it actually gave women the opportunity all

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Speaker 1: You know. The Labour's affirmative action policy is we pre

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Speaker 1: The other are the twenty percent of pre selected on merit.

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Speaker 1: And I always sat there and wondered, well, if you've

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Speaker 2: You know, I just think to myself, I for me

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Speaker 2: getting back to the original point. You know, we need

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Speaker 2: a movement of women. It's not just one or two women.

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Speaker 2: There is a huge majority of women at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Who I reckon? You know, I could sit down and

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Speaker 2: both where I've been treated unfairly in the workplace, or

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Speaker 2: I've gotten paid less than a coworker who does exactly

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Speaker 2: the same job because I'm a cheek. Is that fair?

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Speaker 1: No, of course not fair.

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Speaker 4: But he missed the opportunity, the Prime Minister when they

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Speaker 4: had the protest and the women marched, Why didn't he

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Speaker 3: Why wouldn't he be gone out there?

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Speaker 1: That solved the problem.

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Speaker 4: Listen, ye, that's what they're saying to him, Dave, You

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Speaker 4: don't listen to what we're saying. Albanez, he was out there,

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Speaker 4: the National partner out there and the Prime Minister whoever's

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Speaker 4: advising him, they shouldn't be getting paid this week.

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Speaker 1: You just had on television last night talking about solely

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Speaker 1: the This is a problem to do with our country representation.

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Speaker 4: Dave not Behaviors, was saying representation of women. We hose

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Speaker 4: you a lot, so don't pretend for one moment near

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Speaker 3: Nowhere near us, back to the fifties. I'd love to

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Speaker 3: get on board.

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Speaker 2: I would love to keep talking because I did wanted

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Speaker 2: to talk about this new South Wales national MP well

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Speaker 2: doing some inappropriate things in Parliament House, but we run

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Speaker 2: out of time. It is always good to have you

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Speaker 2: both to the studio, Daili and Hale. We love having

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Speaker 2: the studio. Thank you very much for your time. You

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Speaker 2: have been listening to the big issues. The big thanks

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Speaker 2: to to Kolano Community Association who sponsored that segment.