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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Glass Magic Woman Podcast with Mandinara Bail.

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Speaker 1: I am here on the couch on the beautiful lands

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Speaker 1: of the Gadigill People, with the one and only Felicia Fox,

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Speaker 1: who most people will know if you're on Instagram or

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Speaker 1: if you just have been around. This is the Black

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Speaker 1: Magic Woman Podcast and we are going to talk about

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Speaker 1: all things. We're going to talk about the catwalk Australian

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Speaker 1: Fashion Week, We're going to talk about the ray Bend thing.

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Speaker 1: Like you have been up to so much. I've been

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Speaker 1: watching you and following you for quite some time. So please,

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Speaker 1: if you don't mind, can you share with our listeners

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Speaker 1: and also our amazing viewers now on YouTube. Tell us

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Speaker 1: a little bit about you, your name, your mob, where

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Speaker 1: you grew up and how you became so fabulous.

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Speaker 2: My name is Miss Felicia Fox, the deadliest and youngest

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Speaker 2: everygond drag queen on this scene. My birth name is

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Speaker 2: Wendel frenchm. I grew up out in Campbelltown. My mom's

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Speaker 2: mom originally from Kemsey don Guttion Mob, and my dad's

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Speaker 2: my Buck Malauriy Mob up from Walgut and Maury, Big

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Speaker 2: Maury Madness in the house.

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Speaker 1: All right, Which about Maury? No, No, there's Tula Tigers

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Speaker 1: May with the Boomerangs madness. And I know this because

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Speaker 1: the red fern all Blacks back in the.

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Speaker 2: Day Big is Bras, biggest Bruise hotel rooms and all.

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Speaker 1: It was fifty years of Coury knockout for all your

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Speaker 1: mob or your Coury's Murray's. Now we've got the Murray knockout.

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Speaker 1: So being a Cooury growing up in Campbelltown with connections

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Speaker 1: back to Kempsee and also back to Maury, how have

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Speaker 1: you found? I guess living in Sydney because a lot

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Speaker 1: of people that come from elsewhere, like come from Maury,

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Speaker 1: come to Sydney and it's usually to escape these little

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Speaker 1: small towns.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you ate up and chewed up and

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Speaker 2: spat out straight aun their straight head back.

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Speaker 1: Straight to Murray and you've survived.

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Speaker 2: I've survived still here. Well for me, growing up in Campbelltown,

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Speaker 2: you know, it was very it's very an unawoke town.

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Speaker 2: There wasn't enough queer people out there. I had no

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Speaker 2: queen representation that I got to see growing up out there.

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Speaker 2: The first drag queen that I got to see growing

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Speaker 2: ball that my mum ran for Campbelltown Ghost, which is

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Speaker 2: the team of part of the original UGU League Knockout,

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Speaker 2: and there was a drag queen called Miss Wilhelmine and

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Speaker 2: she's from will Kenya and Mudgie and she was just

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Speaker 2: absolutely amazing. I got to see her in the flesh

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Speaker 2: in front of all my family, who's some are transphobic, homophobic,

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Speaker 2: and it was like all of them sat there, you know,

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Speaker 2: with a big grin, They're all teeth smiling up and

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Speaker 2: I just thought, if this person can come and captivate

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Speaker 2: I was like, who is this person? And I was

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Speaker 2: always dressing up, you know, growing up. I actually got

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Speaker 2: sent to Fato. The other day, my preschool teacher sent

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Speaker 2: and I brought this memory back instantly. I remembered these

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Speaker 2: claks were still there, claiming high heels and KINDI in

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Speaker 1: Your mom and your dad like did they know as well?

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Speaker 1: They always knew.

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Speaker 2: I was always dressing up, wanted to play teachers of

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Speaker 2: mum's teatowels as my wigs, always getting bashed with my

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Speaker 1: In terms of like, you know, the support that you've had,

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Speaker 1: to say, drag queens influences, like people know you. I

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Speaker 2: Where are you?

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Speaker 1: Where are you at? And he came back with like

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Speaker 1: They weren't just mob like people know you. You have made

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Speaker 2: So I've been doing drag now for about five and

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Speaker 2: a half years, but it wasn't really until I started

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Speaker 2: to utilize my platform as a drag queen proper ways

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Speaker 2: now and I started doing activism through my drag because

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Speaker 2: it was like, I'm performing in these venues, in these organizations,

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Speaker 2: at these events that are predominantly white mob or an

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Speaker 2: minutes or four minutes, I want to, you know, do

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Speaker 2: my little Whitney Houston track here. But halfway through that track,

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Speaker 2: you know, I might use Shrina Clinton's voice servers that

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Speaker 2: she's done at a you know, deadly big campaign that

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Speaker 2: she's done, and it's like I love to use you know,

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Speaker 2: people like Uncle Tiger speeches that he said that it's

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Speaker 2: still in the media, still spiraling around. I love to

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Speaker 2: grab you know, media that has been used from our

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Speaker 2: And it's just doing what our ancestors did, you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like you're repurposing, yeah like stories, media, the archives,

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Speaker 1: of support for the rainbow community LBGTIQ plus and I

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Speaker 1: saying the rainbow putting everyone under the rainbow banner. There's

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Speaker 1: don't know. We just celebrated World Pride. We had you know,

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Speaker 1: a young black do you identify as queer?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so as a young black queer person, what progress

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Speaker 2: You know, in terms of the queer community here in Sydney.

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Speaker 2: Being a young blackfellow who identified as pen sexual on

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Speaker 2: and you have all predominant white drag queens down that strip,

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Speaker 2: and you know, if you don't dress a certain way,

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Speaker 2: out on the scene. I didn't want to wear stockings

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Speaker 2: to cover up my love long black legs, and yeah

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Speaker 2: they're still hairy some days, and I'm going to show

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Speaker 2: that off and getting in touch with my androgynists. Can

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Speaker 2: I swear on here gender bend? You know, I come

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Speaker 2: I was like, I don't want to be like all

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Speaker 2: you white drag queens performed to a Madonna track, perform

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Speaker 2: me and saying that there's there's not enough you know,

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Speaker 2: an example, they had a Vogue Ball, and a Vogue

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Speaker 2: want to talk about being all inclusive and make all

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Speaker 2: was like, why do we yeah, we all see one another?

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Speaker 2: And we automatically or migrate and get together. But why

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Speaker 1: And that's such a great point because we seem to

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Speaker 1: you know, your journey so far and just saying, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's taken a while for you to be comfortable in

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Speaker 1: to you? Do you want to share that moment with us.

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Speaker 2: I had to find, you know, my community. I had

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Speaker 2: to migrate out a little old Campbelltown. I was born

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Speaker 2: I would see people like myself and then you know,

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Speaker 2: have You've got no community based like things in your

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Speaker 2: head like black follow ways. Yes, so then.

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Speaker 1: You've never met someone like me, and I've never really

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Speaker 1: met someone like you. So then I just so it

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Speaker 1: kind of it's like we're saying same but very different.

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Speaker 2: Very different. Yeah, okay, So I had to you know,

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Speaker 2: tap into all these different communities, queer communities, trans communities

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Speaker 2: within here in Sydney, and the trans community really took

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Speaker 2: me under their wing. The Vogue community. So the Vogue

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Speaker 2: scene here in Sydney is absolutely amazing and thriving at

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Speaker 2: or the mob in the TeV Island is just a

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Speaker 2: more encouraging for you know our mob to be a

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Speaker 2: I think for me, the sexual health having acorn Acon

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I've seen these.

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Speaker 1: gay or lesbians or queer non binary A lot of

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Speaker 1: our mom We know a lot of people, so we're

432
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Speaker 1: more likely to be a lot more empathetic and compassion

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Speaker 1: and compassionate.

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Speaker 2: It's funny you say that, because I just had a

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Speaker 2: yarn to my drag mother and she is from Lowerkey

436
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Speaker 2: Country up and we're speaking about the gender roles within

437
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Speaker 2: dreamtime stories from up that way, and she was speaking

438
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Speaker 2: about how there were never male female gender roles in

439
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Speaker 2: this country where she's from Larakia country, and that non

440
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Speaker 2: binary mob have always been existent within our gender roles

441
00:24:23,391 --> 00:24:27,951
Speaker 2: up that way, and in fact, how can colonialism come

442
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Speaker 2: around and happen? We get colonized, and then some of

443
00:24:32,311 --> 00:24:36,231
Speaker 2: our mobs still to this day are stuck in defying

444
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Speaker 2: roles by using the gender binary and going back. But

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Speaker 2: they still want to sit here and talk about pre colonization.

446
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Speaker 2: But they're still here colonizing themselves, being contradictive of what

447
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Speaker 2: they're saying, and still putting us on this gender binary.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So there's a whole process of our own mob

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Speaker 1: needing to decolonize our own thoughts and behaviors when it

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Speaker 1: comes to accepting whether you want to sit with the women,

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Speaker 1: or sit with the men, or make your own circle,

452
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Speaker 1: create your own campfire. Why can't that be? And I

453
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Speaker 1: think that's really interesting because we talk about you know,

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Speaker 1: in Aboriginal culture, it's all about balance, you know, everything

455
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Speaker 1: being in balance. We never really had issues around equality,

456
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Speaker 1: but balance occurs in nature, and we work really hard

457
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Speaker 1: to get things back into balance, especially when it comes

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Speaker 1: to relationships. You know, how do we minimize those potentials

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Speaker 1: for conflict? How do we get along with each other

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Speaker 1: so that we don't go to war with each other

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Speaker 1: or take each other out? You know that, you know,

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Speaker 1: Western world and the impacts of colonialism has interfered with

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Speaker 1: our culture and it has created an imbalance within our

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Speaker 1: families and within our societies. So there's so much there,

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Speaker 1: you know, for us to even think about, how do

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Speaker 1: we go back to our old ways with all of

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Speaker 1: those pressures from mainstream society where it's not a pressure anymore,

468
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Speaker 1: we don't see it as a challenge anymore, trying to

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Speaker 1: navigate you know, society, West society.

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Speaker 2: That's how I bought that young up to you before

471
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Speaker 2: when I first seen you and we're walking down to

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Speaker 2: fashion week there, how me mama starting this new debutante

473
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Speaker 2: event out in Campbelltown. But it's not going to be

474
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Speaker 2: just for females who are making their debutante going out

475
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Speaker 2: into the world as green women. It's like, let's just

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Speaker 2: gender binary off, Let's break some barriers and smash some

477
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Speaker 2: stigmas and make it for any gender. Yeah, female and male,

478
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Speaker 2: you can be any which week you.

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Speaker 1: Tell me how you want to be. And that's really

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Speaker 1: important because I've only just been educated recently. Birdie bird,

481
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Speaker 1: big shout out to your Birdie. When I went to

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Speaker 1: have a meeting with them, I didn't know who I

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Speaker 1: was meeting, and I said to the concierge, I've got

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Speaker 1: a meeting with Bertie. And he's like, Birdie, you're not

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Speaker 1: make Birdie bird And he goes, is it he or

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Speaker 1: is she? And I said, that's a great question. Because

487
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Speaker 1: I don't google people before I go for a meeting.

488
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Speaker 1: I look over in the four year at the hotel

489
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Speaker 1: and I saw this person and I looked over and

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Speaker 1: they looked at me, and I was like, Okay, that

491
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Speaker 1: must be Bernie. And my one hour meeting over dinner

492
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Speaker 1: went for three hours. It was my first ever educational session.

493
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Speaker 1: But you know, there's a lot of labor within that

494
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Speaker 1: because I'm asking all these questions that I had never

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Speaker 1: I don't even think that i've I was curious to

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Speaker 1: know what this they and there meant. All I know

497
00:27:41,191 --> 00:27:43,951
Speaker 1: is that a lot of email signatures these days, and

498
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Speaker 1: this is really good because I still don't have it

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Speaker 1: in my email signature. A lot of email signatures have pronouns,

500
00:27:49,271 --> 00:27:53,471
Speaker 1: because my pronouns are they, then yes, and I'm she

501
00:27:54,111 --> 00:27:56,991
Speaker 1: and then you've got his him. I did not know

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Speaker 1: at all that when I look at an email signature,

503
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Speaker 1: I now know how they identify. So then when i'm

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Speaker 1: email emailing, you know, I'm not referring to you as

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Speaker 1: either he or she or assuming because you've got a

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Speaker 1: male name that you must identify as a male. That

507
00:28:14,791 --> 00:28:18,271
Speaker 1: was the best dinner over three hours, and I told

508
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Speaker 1: Bertie I owe them big time. And it's you know,

509
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Speaker 1: it's it makes you really think, and that's sometimes you

510
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Speaker 1: know our own it's not it's kind of like laziness

511
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Speaker 1: that it's or it's like it's been.

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Speaker 2: Ingrained when you is Mara when I meet you, but

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Speaker 2: I would say I was going to call you Musina.

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Speaker 1: Yes. So that was like full on a big night

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Speaker 1: for me, and it was it was the start of

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Speaker 1: my learning. And even that moment, I thought of you,

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Speaker 1: and I started to think about like Bertie is in

518
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Speaker 1: their mid forties and it was only recently that they

519
00:28:59,271 --> 00:29:02,831
Speaker 1: watched this documentary and there was this story of this

520
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Speaker 1: person and talking about how they identify as non binary,

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Speaker 1: and Bertie went that that's me for my whole life.

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Speaker 1: My whole life. I have never fitted into a he

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Speaker 1: or a sheet. Yeah, and I didn't know what fox

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Speaker 1: I was in.

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Speaker 2: Well when I first started I so I was in

526
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Speaker 2: hormones for about a year and a half. I was

527
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Speaker 2: doing the full transition to transition to female because I

528
00:29:27,591 --> 00:29:30,711
Speaker 2: thought I was full female and I didn't know where

529
00:29:30,751 --> 00:29:33,351
Speaker 2: I fitted it on the binary, whether I was male female.

530
00:29:33,751 --> 00:29:36,551
Speaker 2: I was always feminine growing up. And then when non

531
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Speaker 2: binary came out and I fully understood it that I

532
00:29:38,711 --> 00:29:41,071
Speaker 2: could tap into my two spirits and being a black father,

533
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Speaker 2: I don't even like calling it non binary. I love

534
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Speaker 2: calling it two spirited. I love this because I can

535
00:29:45,711 --> 00:29:47,871
Speaker 2: tap into my masculine spirit, then I can tap into

536
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Speaker 2: my feminine spirit. And you know, any which way, whether

537
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Speaker 2: I want to wake up in the morning, put my

538
00:29:51,831 --> 00:29:53,311
Speaker 2: football shorts on, or whether I want to wake up and

539
00:29:53,311 --> 00:29:56,511
Speaker 2: put a skirt on. Yes, like I've finally found where

540
00:29:56,551 --> 00:29:59,231
Speaker 2: I lie with the gender binary, and it's like the

541
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Speaker 2: binary altogether. Let's take it away and not have these

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Speaker 2: gender roles that make people feel like they have to

543
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Speaker 2: choose a gender role in this day and age in society.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, we could be yearning all day or not,

545
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Speaker 1: but we need to get to dinner.

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00:30:13,711 --> 00:30:14,791
Speaker 2: Yes, this hungry.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, we are literally about to have the

548
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Speaker 1: most amazing dinner after the biggest day. I was up

549
00:30:21,431 --> 00:30:25,031
Speaker 1: at three point forty five am to get ready. You

550
00:30:25,111 --> 00:30:27,071
Speaker 1: just don't roll out of bed looking like this. So

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00:30:27,111 --> 00:30:28,831
Speaker 1: I've had a big day. I cannot wait to go

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00:30:28,831 --> 00:30:31,831
Speaker 1: and have dinner and keep yearning. But I am curious

553
00:30:32,471 --> 00:30:35,471
Speaker 1: to know. You used to be on a radio show

554
00:30:36,271 --> 00:30:39,191
Speaker 1: with Corey Radio, and I haven't heard you on there

555
00:30:39,231 --> 00:30:42,471
Speaker 1: for a while. So will you be making a comeback

556
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Speaker 1: and if so, can we talk?

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00:30:45,231 --> 00:30:48,031
Speaker 2: Yes? So definitely go to be making a come back

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00:30:48,071 --> 00:30:51,031
Speaker 2: to a community radio, but we'll be making a comeback

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00:30:52,231 --> 00:30:56,071
Speaker 2: to a podcast. So keep your e is peeled and

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Speaker 2: your eyes Oh.

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Speaker 1: Did you hear this? This voice needs to be heard.

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Speaker 1: People need to know you.

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Speaker 2: Cause you miss this old you're cheating a cree radio.

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Speaker 2: Don't points th FM live and deadly with your tinner

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Speaker 2: Felicia Fox taking you r up to six pm or say,

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Speaker 2: and what a way.

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Speaker 1: To wrap up this deadly by basically signing out. We

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Speaker 1: are signing out now, over and out. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: You have been more than amazing to give up your

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Speaker 1: time to educate not just myself but also my listeners

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Speaker 1: and viewers, and hopefully they feel a little bit more

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Speaker 1: comfortable having these conversations that they haven't yet had with people,

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Speaker 1: maybe in their family, community or even in the workplace.

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Speaker 1: So you can reach the deadly Felicia Fox on Insta.

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Speaker 1: All of the handles will be in our show notes.

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Speaker 1: And if you think that this podcast is for someone

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Speaker 1: that may be struggling with their identity sexual identity, not

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Speaker 1: knowing what help is out their support services, give them

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Speaker 1: a listen send. This podcast needs to go out all

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Speaker 1: over the country, all over the world and let more

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Speaker 1: people know that there are people like them that do

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Speaker 1: exist and have been able to create an amazing life.

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Speaker 1: And watch this space. I'm sure there's much more to come.

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Speaker 1: You're only twenty two. I cannot get over that? All righty.

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Speaker 1: On that note, I hope you've enjoyed this episode by

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Speaker 1: for now thank you. If you'd like any more on

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Speaker 1: today's guest, please visit our show notes in the episode description.

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Speaker 1: A big shout out to all you Deadly Mob and

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Speaker 1: allies who continue to listen, watch, and support our podcast.

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Speaker 1: our socials and YouTube channel and drop us a line.

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Speaker 1: We'd love to hear from you. The Black Magic Woman

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Speaker 1: podcast is produced by Clint Curtis