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Speaker 3: Good morning to you, Robin.

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Speaker 4: I just think generally the territory has done really a

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Speaker 4: great job, and we are leading the way in many respects,

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Speaker 4: but we should be leading the way and celebrating what

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Speaker 4: we're doing and showing other places how to get on

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Speaker 4: top of those people reluctant and getting people on board

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Speaker 4: and showing them that it's not something to be afraid of.

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Speaker 4: What's what we need to be afraid of, or is

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Speaker 4: what would happen if COVID got into our communities. We've

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Speaker 4: seen what's happening in western New South Wales in a

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Speaker 4: couple of Aboriginal communities there. At the moment, there's some

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Speaker 4: seventy percent of one community that has been infected with COVID.

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Speaker 4: It's just a horrendous situation. We don't want to see

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Speaker 4: that happen here. The only way we can stop. It

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Speaker 4: is for people to get vaccinated well.

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Speaker 1: Robin Carl, the CEO of the Palmerston GP Superclinic, It's

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Speaker 1: always good to catch up with you.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 4: No worries Katie, you have a great day you two.

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Speaker 3: Thank you