1 00:00:09,685 --> 00:00:10,805 Speaker 1: I Heeart podcasts. 2 00:00:10,845 --> 00:00:13,645 Speaker 2: You can hear more gold one I four point three podcasts, 3 00:00:13,685 --> 00:00:17,165 Speaker 2: playlist and listen live on the free iHeart. 4 00:00:16,725 --> 00:00:19,084 Speaker 1: App Got anything good? 5 00:00:19,645 --> 00:00:27,365 Speaker 2: Hey, this is the Christian O'Connell show podcast, So I 6 00:00:27,365 --> 00:00:29,565 Speaker 2: thought we just do this mini podcast. This is a 7 00:00:29,604 --> 00:00:32,004 Speaker 2: mini podcast about the news that's going to announce this 8 00:00:32,045 --> 00:00:34,565 Speaker 2: week on the show that Jack of his own record, 9 00:00:34,685 --> 00:00:37,725 Speaker 2: is leaving the show. Nothing else has happened other than 10 00:00:38,485 --> 00:00:40,885 Speaker 2: last week. He called me genuinely out of blue on 11 00:00:40,925 --> 00:00:44,045 Speaker 2: a Wednesday afternoon and actually just blew up his whole 12 00:00:44,085 --> 00:00:47,645 Speaker 2: life and said, I think I need to leave the show. 13 00:00:48,604 --> 00:00:50,525 Speaker 2: And so we had a lot of chats over the 14 00:00:50,525 --> 00:00:52,805 Speaker 2: next two or three days. I asked him to take 15 00:00:52,805 --> 00:00:55,445 Speaker 2: the restless week off last week off while he worked 16 00:00:55,445 --> 00:00:57,725 Speaker 2: through it, but I knew his heart was it. He'd 17 00:00:57,765 --> 00:00:59,965 Speaker 2: been this is something that's been troubling him for a while, 18 00:01:00,245 --> 00:01:02,085 Speaker 2: and he said on the show that there's a calling 19 00:01:02,125 --> 00:01:04,725 Speaker 2: for him to leave. There is nothing lined up for Jack, 20 00:01:04,765 --> 00:01:06,965 Speaker 2: which a lot of people are struggling over that bit. 21 00:01:08,005 --> 00:01:09,765 Speaker 1: However, it's in the. 22 00:01:09,805 --> 00:01:12,365 Speaker 2: Almost seven years of me doing the show, this is 23 00:01:12,765 --> 00:01:14,605 Speaker 2: the biggest thing for the show in a way of 24 00:01:14,685 --> 00:01:17,565 Speaker 2: like losing you know, It started literally from show one 25 00:01:17,685 --> 00:01:19,725 Speaker 2: with Pats and Jack, and Jack was the very first 26 00:01:19,725 --> 00:01:24,725 Speaker 2: person I hired as I built the team. So it's 27 00:01:24,765 --> 00:01:28,164 Speaker 2: a moment in the show's history and also our lives 28 00:01:28,165 --> 00:01:30,085 Speaker 2: together as well. Since you guys have been working on 29 00:01:30,125 --> 00:01:32,885 Speaker 2: the show, but a lot a lot of questions are 30 00:01:32,925 --> 00:01:35,165 Speaker 2: coming into me about how do I really feel? What 31 00:01:35,205 --> 00:01:37,365 Speaker 2: are we going to do on the show. So I thought, 32 00:01:37,485 --> 00:01:39,485 Speaker 2: rather than people trying to email me, we could do 33 00:01:39,525 --> 00:01:41,685 Speaker 2: a quick episode for people to hear where I'm at 34 00:01:41,725 --> 00:01:44,765 Speaker 2: with it, how you guys are feeling, and hopefully that 35 00:01:44,805 --> 00:01:45,885 Speaker 2: can reassure people. 36 00:01:46,005 --> 00:01:49,725 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely for me, it felt like this, and it 37 00:01:49,805 --> 00:01:51,765 Speaker 3: kind of came to me this morning as we kicked 38 00:01:51,765 --> 00:01:54,485 Speaker 3: off the show, is I feel like I'm breaking up 39 00:01:54,485 --> 00:01:57,205 Speaker 3: with someone that I'm still in love with. So, like, 40 00:01:57,405 --> 00:01:59,645 Speaker 3: I love Jack Deely and he's amazing. I'm sure he 41 00:01:59,645 --> 00:02:01,925 Speaker 3: feels the same, but it's best for the both of 42 00:02:02,005 --> 00:02:04,565 Speaker 3: us that we go our separate ways. And so that's 43 00:02:04,645 --> 00:02:06,565 Speaker 3: kind of the analogy that I've been using to make 44 00:02:06,605 --> 00:02:09,205 Speaker 3: sense of it in my brain, because, like you, we 45 00:02:09,285 --> 00:02:12,165 Speaker 3: found out on that Wednesa, well that the next Thursday that. 46 00:02:12,445 --> 00:02:15,445 Speaker 2: Sorry, the day I did the show, and you guys 47 00:02:15,445 --> 00:02:17,045 Speaker 2: didn't know. I did the show and I just said, look, 48 00:02:17,085 --> 00:02:18,885 Speaker 2: there's something going on. Jack isn't on the show today. 49 00:02:18,885 --> 00:02:21,205 Speaker 2: And then I told you guys afterwards. But I think 50 00:02:21,205 --> 00:02:23,845 Speaker 2: you saw from how I was Thursday. I was shocked 51 00:02:23,925 --> 00:02:27,605 Speaker 2: but also at peace with his decision, because people keep 52 00:02:27,645 --> 00:02:29,405 Speaker 2: saying to me, you must be very disappointed, you must 53 00:02:29,445 --> 00:02:31,645 Speaker 2: be very angry, but so much into list and I 54 00:02:31,725 --> 00:02:33,125 Speaker 2: keep telling people I'm. 55 00:02:33,005 --> 00:02:35,205 Speaker 1: Genuinely not not at all. 56 00:02:35,245 --> 00:02:38,445 Speaker 2: And you guys saw me Thursday and then after Friday show, 57 00:02:38,565 --> 00:02:41,765 Speaker 2: and so I am. I was, and he almost left 58 00:02:41,765 --> 00:02:44,205 Speaker 2: the show. We never really talked about this. Jack almost 59 00:02:44,245 --> 00:02:46,525 Speaker 2: left the show two years ago, and I urged him 60 00:02:46,565 --> 00:02:48,085 Speaker 2: to think about it, and we were just about to 61 00:02:48,085 --> 00:02:50,685 Speaker 2: have two weeks off from the show, so I said, look, 62 00:02:50,805 --> 00:02:52,845 Speaker 2: we're having a break anyway, come back and let me 63 00:02:52,885 --> 00:02:55,485 Speaker 2: know your answer. But I was okay with him leaving then, 64 00:02:55,965 --> 00:02:58,125 Speaker 2: even though obviously I wanted to work with him and 65 00:02:58,165 --> 00:02:59,925 Speaker 2: hoped we'd be working for many more years ago that 66 00:03:00,285 --> 00:03:02,285 Speaker 2: I never thought it'd be a mega long term one, 67 00:03:02,325 --> 00:03:04,885 Speaker 2: seemly because he's really struggled with the hours, you know, 68 00:03:04,965 --> 00:03:06,484 Speaker 2: and it's been We've talked about that a lot on 69 00:03:06,525 --> 00:03:07,805 Speaker 2: the show. So I never thought it was a long, 70 00:03:07,845 --> 00:03:09,885 Speaker 2: long term thing. I saw thought it would be another 71 00:03:09,885 --> 00:03:11,685 Speaker 2: couple of years. And I was stunned when he called 72 00:03:11,685 --> 00:03:14,485 Speaker 2: me last Wednesday. There'd been no warning. But actually, as 73 00:03:14,485 --> 00:03:16,525 Speaker 2: he said, he'd been talking this through with his wife 74 00:03:16,565 --> 00:03:18,045 Speaker 2: and he's been working it through a lot. 75 00:03:18,205 --> 00:03:20,405 Speaker 1: But I also, one thing you also know about me 76 00:03:20,645 --> 00:03:24,045 Speaker 1: is no one gets more energized. 77 00:03:23,525 --> 00:03:26,965 Speaker 2: And comes alive through transitions and change. 78 00:03:27,125 --> 00:03:27,685 Speaker 1: I live for that. 79 00:03:27,925 --> 00:03:30,085 Speaker 2: Yeah, Otherwise I wouldn't be here on a stray with 80 00:03:30,125 --> 00:03:32,125 Speaker 2: you guys. I would have stayed on a show that 81 00:03:32,165 --> 00:03:33,725 Speaker 2: had two and a half million listeners that was going 82 00:03:33,845 --> 00:03:36,565 Speaker 2: very well. I walked out on that show and didn't 83 00:03:36,565 --> 00:03:39,045 Speaker 2: know how to work out with Jack. I just hired him, 84 00:03:39,045 --> 00:03:41,445 Speaker 2: didn't know how to work out with Pats, hired you 85 00:03:41,525 --> 00:03:44,325 Speaker 2: two guys in very different reasons, and didn't know how 86 00:03:44,365 --> 00:03:46,445 Speaker 2: to work out with you guys. But I kind of 87 00:03:46,485 --> 00:03:50,365 Speaker 2: get excited by managing the changes, even if it's not 88 00:03:50,405 --> 00:03:52,525 Speaker 2: ones you choose to make. 89 00:03:52,965 --> 00:03:55,405 Speaker 3: Yeah, And so a lot of people aren't like that. 90 00:03:56,045 --> 00:04:00,325 Speaker 3: I certainly don't like change. What helps you through that, like, 91 00:04:00,365 --> 00:04:02,685 Speaker 3: for example, when you got that phone call from Jack, 92 00:04:03,845 --> 00:04:08,085 Speaker 3: Obviously you go through the stages of losing someone, At 93 00:04:08,085 --> 00:04:10,565 Speaker 3: what point do you get to go, Oh, I actually 94 00:04:10,605 --> 00:04:12,685 Speaker 3: I'm really excited about this and I'm looking forward to 95 00:04:13,485 --> 00:04:14,765 Speaker 3: life after Jack on the show. 96 00:04:15,605 --> 00:04:17,924 Speaker 2: At first, it was sort of shocked because it was 97 00:04:17,964 --> 00:04:20,404 Speaker 2: so sudden, and then actually, what really happens is I 98 00:04:20,445 --> 00:04:23,924 Speaker 2: had to start calling sort of senior management and people 99 00:04:23,964 --> 00:04:25,605 Speaker 2: like that and sort of speak to them about it 100 00:04:25,964 --> 00:04:28,164 Speaker 2: and then try and see what they thought about it. 101 00:04:28,205 --> 00:04:30,244 Speaker 2: They just would take a lot of their lead from me, 102 00:04:30,844 --> 00:04:34,205 Speaker 2: and it was very clear that Jack had made his 103 00:04:34,284 --> 00:04:37,805 Speaker 2: mind up as well. And one thing I rang Jack back, 104 00:04:37,844 --> 00:04:41,205 Speaker 2: and it wasn't a financial thing, and I asked him 105 00:04:41,245 --> 00:04:42,365 Speaker 2: to sleep on it. 106 00:04:42,765 --> 00:04:44,284 Speaker 1: Even though it's I don't think I'm going to change 107 00:04:44,284 --> 00:04:45,245 Speaker 1: your mind. I went to sleep on it. 108 00:04:45,325 --> 00:04:48,205 Speaker 2: Doesn't just do me that courtesy, But I knew he 109 00:04:48,325 --> 00:04:50,044 Speaker 2: was his mind was made up because I just know 110 00:04:50,085 --> 00:04:52,205 Speaker 2: how Jack is, and I knew that for him to 111 00:04:52,205 --> 00:04:54,804 Speaker 2: call me like that, he'd obviously done a lot of 112 00:04:54,804 --> 00:04:56,684 Speaker 2: work leading up to it's not an easy call to make. 113 00:04:57,724 --> 00:04:59,725 Speaker 2: And so I wanted if this was going to be 114 00:04:59,724 --> 00:05:01,805 Speaker 2: the end, I wanted our relationship to be how I've 115 00:05:01,844 --> 00:05:04,805 Speaker 2: always been with Jack, which is honest but also deeply loving, 116 00:05:04,885 --> 00:05:07,525 Speaker 2: with Jack as well. What started off as a mentor 117 00:05:07,604 --> 00:05:10,245 Speaker 2: ship became a very deep, soulful friendship. 118 00:05:10,284 --> 00:05:11,685 Speaker 1: I've had Jack through some of it. 119 00:05:11,724 --> 00:05:14,085 Speaker 2: Well, I know he said about, you know, the dark 120 00:05:14,125 --> 00:05:17,325 Speaker 2: souls of his life, and so we've grown through that together, 121 00:05:17,525 --> 00:05:19,205 Speaker 2: not just the radio partnership. 122 00:05:19,284 --> 00:05:21,165 Speaker 1: So my think, my wish for. 123 00:05:21,205 --> 00:05:22,844 Speaker 2: Anyone who work with is only want you to be 124 00:05:22,924 --> 00:05:25,804 Speaker 2: free and happy, and that can't just always be with me. 125 00:05:26,005 --> 00:05:29,284 Speaker 2: I don't own Jack, He doesn't owe me anything. I 126 00:05:29,325 --> 00:05:31,525 Speaker 2: just begged him to follow what was in his heart. Yeah, 127 00:05:31,604 --> 00:05:33,404 Speaker 2: and if it was to leave, then he must leave. 128 00:05:33,765 --> 00:05:35,924 Speaker 2: And he mustn't worry about me, because I think he 129 00:05:36,005 --> 00:05:38,245 Speaker 2: was very worried that. Oh and people don't know this, 130 00:05:38,364 --> 00:05:41,404 Speaker 2: but we've got some really big stuff happening over the 131 00:05:41,445 --> 00:05:43,724 Speaker 2: next couple of years for this show that I've been 132 00:05:43,765 --> 00:05:46,125 Speaker 2: driving and pushing for for a couple of years. And 133 00:05:46,164 --> 00:05:49,404 Speaker 2: so Jack was walking out knowing that actually there was 134 00:05:49,484 --> 00:05:53,085 Speaker 2: exciting times ahead, and I really admired his courage that 135 00:05:53,125 --> 00:05:55,005 Speaker 2: he was honoring what's in him. 136 00:05:55,164 --> 00:05:56,325 Speaker 1: I don't know if I would have done that. 137 00:05:57,804 --> 00:06:01,485 Speaker 4: Talking to Jack on Thursday, it was the most at 138 00:06:01,525 --> 00:06:03,805 Speaker 4: peace I've heard him in a really long time. And 139 00:06:03,885 --> 00:06:06,325 Speaker 4: it's funny that you can hear that stuff just in 140 00:06:06,364 --> 00:06:08,964 Speaker 4: someone's voice in a phone call. And for us, it 141 00:06:09,044 --> 00:06:12,044 Speaker 4: was really difficult to understand. Like you said, exciting stuff 142 00:06:12,085 --> 00:06:14,924 Speaker 4: coming through. We all have such a good time on 143 00:06:14,964 --> 00:06:17,765 Speaker 4: the show every day, so it really blindsided a lot 144 00:06:17,804 --> 00:06:18,125 Speaker 4: of us. 145 00:06:18,164 --> 00:06:20,164 Speaker 1: But then and I didn't understand. 146 00:06:20,205 --> 00:06:22,565 Speaker 4: I couldn't make any sense of it. And then it's 147 00:06:22,565 --> 00:06:25,484 Speaker 4: funny without him really explaining too much about it, just 148 00:06:25,565 --> 00:06:29,805 Speaker 4: hearing the tone in his voice, I immediately understood and like, oh, 149 00:06:29,885 --> 00:06:33,404 Speaker 4: you you need this. This is going to be, you know, 150 00:06:33,484 --> 00:06:35,884 Speaker 4: a really I think a positive change for Jack. And 151 00:06:35,924 --> 00:06:38,364 Speaker 4: then from everything else after that, it is just so 152 00:06:38,445 --> 00:06:42,444 Speaker 4: much easy to understand. And yes, I am really happy 153 00:06:42,445 --> 00:06:44,205 Speaker 4: for him. In a really strange way, I think I'm 154 00:06:44,645 --> 00:06:49,085 Speaker 4: sad for losing, you know, such a close friend at work. 155 00:06:49,125 --> 00:06:52,004 Speaker 4: I'm sure we'll still be friends afterwards. But yeah, I 156 00:06:52,044 --> 00:06:54,964 Speaker 4: think the overwhelming feeling that I feel now is I'm 157 00:06:55,005 --> 00:06:55,964 Speaker 4: really happy for Jack. 158 00:06:56,724 --> 00:06:59,884 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the right decision for Jake, and therefore what 159 00:07:00,005 --> 00:07:03,004 Speaker 2: he does affects us as well and has a repercussion, 160 00:07:03,085 --> 00:07:04,604 Speaker 2: so why would we be upset? 161 00:07:04,804 --> 00:07:05,124 Speaker 1: Exactly? 162 00:07:05,164 --> 00:07:07,164 Speaker 2: It says what you want to do, Yeah, I don't 163 00:07:07,164 --> 00:07:10,084 Speaker 2: want to hang out with anyone on this amazing show 164 00:07:10,125 --> 00:07:11,965 Speaker 2: that we have, that we build together. It doesn't want 165 00:07:11,965 --> 00:07:14,085 Speaker 2: to be here. I know you must go. Yeah, you 166 00:07:14,085 --> 00:07:16,725 Speaker 2: don't even look back, just go, because actually then it 167 00:07:16,765 --> 00:07:18,845 Speaker 2: releases me to do what I should do next. And 168 00:07:18,845 --> 00:07:21,045 Speaker 2: so over the last couple of years I have thought 169 00:07:21,085 --> 00:07:22,605 Speaker 2: of out, there's the thing that I really want to 170 00:07:22,645 --> 00:07:25,485 Speaker 2: do with the show, almost did it last year, even 171 00:07:25,565 --> 00:07:27,845 Speaker 2: met somebody that I was going to hire. It just 172 00:07:27,965 --> 00:07:29,845 Speaker 2: wasn't right. And so the show is going really well. 173 00:07:29,965 --> 00:07:31,965 Speaker 2: So I left it, and so I do know what 174 00:07:32,005 --> 00:07:34,165 Speaker 2: I want to do next. And I can reassure everybody 175 00:07:34,965 --> 00:07:37,685 Speaker 2: there is going to be no big replacement for jackposts 176 00:07:37,685 --> 00:07:39,605 Speaker 2: like that. It isn't going to be like that. The 177 00:07:39,645 --> 00:07:42,325 Speaker 2: next evolution for this show will be something far more 178 00:07:42,445 --> 00:07:45,965 Speaker 2: subtler that most of you won't even strictly recognize as 179 00:07:46,085 --> 00:07:48,965 Speaker 2: There is going to be no big next hire. It 180 00:07:49,125 --> 00:07:51,444 Speaker 2: just isn't needed the way you two are coming on 181 00:07:51,525 --> 00:07:53,645 Speaker 2: as well, I don't need to rush into anything. I 182 00:07:53,645 --> 00:07:55,565 Speaker 2: have an idea of what of who I want to 183 00:07:55,605 --> 00:07:59,165 Speaker 2: bring in next, not an actually specific person, but actually 184 00:07:59,205 --> 00:08:01,804 Speaker 2: in terms of how they would join the show, and 185 00:08:01,845 --> 00:08:03,804 Speaker 2: then I'll just see how that goes. If that doesn't 186 00:08:03,845 --> 00:08:06,405 Speaker 2: work out, then I'll just move the next thing and 187 00:08:06,445 --> 00:08:08,085 Speaker 2: see how that goes. It was the same with how 188 00:08:08,085 --> 00:08:08,805 Speaker 2: it's always been. 189 00:08:09,364 --> 00:08:09,645 Speaker 1: You know. 190 00:08:10,045 --> 00:08:12,165 Speaker 2: Jack and I met up Sunday of the weekend before 191 00:08:12,205 --> 00:08:14,925 Speaker 2: he came in on Monday show to announce that he's left, 192 00:08:14,965 --> 00:08:17,244 Speaker 2: and I said to Jack, you mustn't worry about me, okay, 193 00:08:17,285 --> 00:08:19,125 Speaker 2: because I feel so guilty. You've got a lot going 194 00:08:19,165 --> 00:08:20,845 Speaker 2: on right now. I said, you mustn't worry about me, 195 00:08:20,925 --> 00:08:23,085 Speaker 2: because I will be okay. And he said, oh, no, 196 00:08:23,165 --> 00:08:25,124 Speaker 2: you will because actually this is what you love doing, 197 00:08:25,285 --> 00:08:27,925 Speaker 2: and you it's the joy of building it. And bizarrely, 198 00:08:28,645 --> 00:08:30,165 Speaker 2: two weeks ago, I said to my wife I feel 199 00:08:30,205 --> 00:08:33,205 Speaker 2: quite flat at the moment at work, and I said 200 00:08:34,085 --> 00:08:36,885 Speaker 2: I need something new to build, and they said, I'd 201 00:08:36,885 --> 00:08:39,965 Speaker 2: be really careful what you wish for, because suddenly it 202 00:08:40,005 --> 00:08:42,725 Speaker 2: came crashing in and my wife looked at me and 203 00:08:42,765 --> 00:08:46,085 Speaker 2: her favorite word is. 204 00:08:45,725 --> 00:08:48,245 Speaker 1: And I was like, damn it. I've been looking to 205 00:08:48,285 --> 00:08:50,844 Speaker 1: get my sleeves rolled up again to rebuild. 206 00:08:50,845 --> 00:08:52,885 Speaker 2: It's like I built the house, so I did have 207 00:08:52,885 --> 00:08:56,125 Speaker 2: built this house, and so it's a chance for a reno. 208 00:08:56,165 --> 00:08:58,285 Speaker 2: We don't need to flatten the place. Yes, you know, 209 00:08:58,444 --> 00:09:00,605 Speaker 2: it's just it's something else, a bit subtler, and that 210 00:09:00,605 --> 00:09:03,084 Speaker 2: I've got to be honest. I am heartbroken, but I'm 211 00:09:03,084 --> 00:09:06,285 Speaker 2: heartbroken in the right way. Yes, it's heart it's not 212 00:09:06,285 --> 00:09:10,085 Speaker 2: a heartbreak whatsoever. That's something else. That's that's a friend 213 00:09:10,165 --> 00:09:13,204 Speaker 2: or a family men being ill. That's really heartbreaking. This 214 00:09:13,245 --> 00:09:13,645 Speaker 2: isn't that. 215 00:09:14,084 --> 00:09:15,765 Speaker 1: This is a heart Yeah. I'm going to miss him. 216 00:09:15,804 --> 00:09:18,165 Speaker 1: I love doing it with him, but I'm also really energized. 217 00:09:18,165 --> 00:09:21,085 Speaker 2: I said to him today, I'm really energized by working 218 00:09:21,125 --> 00:09:23,285 Speaker 2: out what i want to do next. And he actually 219 00:09:23,285 --> 00:09:25,005 Speaker 2: said to me, got two before. He said that really 220 00:09:25,045 --> 00:09:27,765 Speaker 2: helps me because otherwise he's there worrying about me, and 221 00:09:27,845 --> 00:09:31,804 Speaker 2: I am, okay, quite the heart to tell him about. Bizarrely, 222 00:09:31,845 --> 00:09:34,005 Speaker 2: I ended up chatting to someone yesterday. I was chatting 223 00:09:34,045 --> 00:09:35,645 Speaker 2: to somebody else saying, this is roughly what I'm going 224 00:09:35,684 --> 00:09:37,324 Speaker 2: to be looking for next and I'm going to be 225 00:09:37,324 --> 00:09:40,805 Speaker 2: announcing it on next Monday show a national search for 226 00:09:40,885 --> 00:09:43,885 Speaker 2: this kind of new possible team member and rolling the 227 00:09:43,885 --> 00:09:45,525 Speaker 2: shut and so I said, oh, you should chat to 228 00:09:45,564 --> 00:09:49,165 Speaker 2: this guy. And so I spoke to someone yesterday completely. 229 00:09:48,684 --> 00:09:51,125 Speaker 1: Out of the blue. Really lit me up. 230 00:09:51,405 --> 00:09:53,925 Speaker 2: Really lit me up, and I was like, I don't 231 00:09:53,965 --> 00:09:55,365 Speaker 2: know if he's going to be the person, but it 232 00:09:55,525 --> 00:09:58,925 Speaker 2: really just excited me the thought of building something new, 233 00:09:58,965 --> 00:10:01,205 Speaker 2: bringing someone in and working out how do we find 234 00:10:01,245 --> 00:10:02,324 Speaker 2: a way to this, because. 235 00:10:02,045 --> 00:10:03,045 Speaker 1: Actually that's life. 236 00:10:03,324 --> 00:10:04,085 Speaker 3: It is very much. 237 00:10:04,125 --> 00:10:06,805 Speaker 2: I remember listening to this great audiobook about change in 238 00:10:06,845 --> 00:10:10,125 Speaker 2: life called Find Me a Straight River, and it's basically 239 00:10:10,125 --> 00:10:12,684 Speaker 2: about how in nature there's no straight lines and there 240 00:10:12,725 --> 00:10:14,885 Speaker 2: is therefore in our lives there's no straight lines. There 241 00:10:15,005 --> 00:10:17,485 Speaker 2: twists and turns, and sometimes you look back and go, 242 00:10:17,645 --> 00:10:19,605 Speaker 2: my god, do you remember how he felt about that? 243 00:10:19,645 --> 00:10:19,925 Speaker 1: First? 244 00:10:19,925 --> 00:10:22,365 Speaker 2: And then very quickly it meant that happened, and then 245 00:10:22,405 --> 00:10:24,845 Speaker 2: look where we are now. There's too many there's too 246 00:10:24,845 --> 00:10:26,604 Speaker 2: many times and chances of that in the last twenty 247 00:10:26,645 --> 00:10:29,205 Speaker 2: seven years of my life. Where you work with someone, 248 00:10:29,645 --> 00:10:31,365 Speaker 2: they're with you day in, day out, you and each 249 00:10:31,405 --> 00:10:33,445 Speaker 2: other's lives, and then they go or you move on, 250 00:10:34,045 --> 00:10:35,844 Speaker 2: and then everything always works. 251 00:10:35,684 --> 00:10:36,245 Speaker 1: Out for the better. 252 00:10:36,365 --> 00:10:39,125 Speaker 3: Yeah, this show has from when I've started, and I've 253 00:10:39,125 --> 00:10:41,125 Speaker 3: been here for three three and a half years now, 254 00:10:41,605 --> 00:10:44,804 Speaker 3: We've always evolved the show in different ways, whether it's 255 00:10:44,845 --> 00:10:46,684 Speaker 3: removing a benchmark and bringing something. 256 00:10:46,485 --> 00:10:48,604 Speaker 1: New in or bringing I'm constantly looking. 257 00:10:48,684 --> 00:10:51,285 Speaker 3: Constantly doing that, and that refreshes this show. And this 258 00:10:51,444 --> 00:10:54,005 Speaker 3: is just a new evolution for our shot. Whilst it's 259 00:10:54,005 --> 00:10:56,725 Speaker 3: a bigger one, it's just another one. And so I 260 00:10:56,725 --> 00:10:59,645 Speaker 3: think that's what kind of helps us all, as we said, 261 00:10:59,965 --> 00:11:02,885 Speaker 3: our happy sadness, to move through that and be excited 262 00:11:02,925 --> 00:11:05,564 Speaker 3: for the future, which we all are. And funnily enough, 263 00:11:05,605 --> 00:11:09,765 Speaker 3: I was thinking about this yesterday when he started on 264 00:11:09,804 --> 00:11:12,605 Speaker 3: this show and met you, and he talks about this 265 00:11:12,645 --> 00:11:15,365 Speaker 3: in his post, saying that you are a monumental, monumental 266 00:11:15,365 --> 00:11:16,005 Speaker 3: person and. 267 00:11:16,005 --> 00:11:19,205 Speaker 1: Mental, you know, and both are monumentally mental. 268 00:11:19,285 --> 00:11:26,564 Speaker 3: Both are true in his life and his thirties. Weirdly enough, 269 00:11:27,285 --> 00:11:30,085 Speaker 3: because of what you've taught him in his time here. 270 00:11:30,804 --> 00:11:33,724 Speaker 3: I think that's allowed him to be so true to 271 00:11:33,845 --> 00:11:38,885 Speaker 3: himself in his heart to make this decision, which is 272 00:11:38,925 --> 00:11:42,285 Speaker 3: so poetic in a way. And I can't I don't. 273 00:11:42,084 --> 00:11:45,485 Speaker 2: Betful you noticed that, because Jack actually said to me Sunday, 274 00:11:45,765 --> 00:11:47,365 Speaker 2: he said, I said, that must have been really hard 275 00:11:47,365 --> 00:11:49,765 Speaker 2: to make those phone calls because I had to do that, 276 00:11:49,845 --> 00:11:51,485 Speaker 2: you know, when I had to move here. I had 277 00:11:51,485 --> 00:11:54,325 Speaker 2: to ring Richie, who I've been with for years, you know, 278 00:11:54,444 --> 00:11:57,005 Speaker 2: twelve years and then before that, seven years before that 279 00:11:57,365 --> 00:12:00,085 Speaker 2: first person first psychic ever had in radio, and then 280 00:12:00,925 --> 00:12:03,324 Speaker 2: we went our separate ways, and then I hired him 281 00:12:03,365 --> 00:12:05,285 Speaker 2: again many years later and we were together for yeah, 282 00:12:05,285 --> 00:12:08,685 Speaker 2: eleven years. So a big part of my life to 283 00:12:08,725 --> 00:12:11,605 Speaker 2: ring to go out of nowhere, I'm leaving the show. 284 00:12:12,125 --> 00:12:13,925 Speaker 1: Oh where are you going? Why can't I come? Now? 285 00:12:13,925 --> 00:12:17,405 Speaker 2: I'm going to Australia, And it just crushed me because 286 00:12:17,684 --> 00:12:19,804 Speaker 2: I realized that then there'd be no job for him 287 00:12:19,804 --> 00:12:20,205 Speaker 2: as well. 288 00:12:20,405 --> 00:12:22,405 Speaker 1: Now he got a job, but it was like there was. 289 00:12:22,405 --> 00:12:24,205 Speaker 2: A while there where there it was looked like there'd 290 00:12:24,204 --> 00:12:26,245 Speaker 2: be no job for him, and so I had all 291 00:12:26,285 --> 00:12:28,765 Speaker 2: this guilt that I'd given him no warning, and also 292 00:12:28,804 --> 00:12:32,085 Speaker 2: he was like we were best friends. And also I worried, 293 00:12:32,485 --> 00:12:34,564 Speaker 2: what if I don't ever get it that good again 294 00:12:34,885 --> 00:12:36,844 Speaker 2: on the other side of the world, I've got to 295 00:12:36,925 --> 00:12:37,484 Speaker 2: hire someone. 296 00:12:37,525 --> 00:12:38,005 Speaker 1: I don't know. 297 00:12:38,525 --> 00:12:40,805 Speaker 2: It's so rare you find these relationships where you just 298 00:12:40,845 --> 00:12:43,564 Speaker 2: catch fire together and if you're lucky, you get a 299 00:12:43,605 --> 00:12:45,525 Speaker 2: couple of them in your lifetime. And I've had a couple, 300 00:12:45,804 --> 00:12:48,324 Speaker 2: and I didn't know whether will I ever have that again? 301 00:12:48,405 --> 00:12:51,485 Speaker 1: Not just that in England. Whenever I'm hiring. 302 00:12:51,965 --> 00:12:54,885 Speaker 2: It's inundated with people because I built up a very 303 00:12:54,925 --> 00:12:58,885 Speaker 2: big sort of show there. People really wanted with me here, 304 00:12:59,005 --> 00:13:01,724 Speaker 2: no one knew me, no one cared, and so it's 305 00:13:01,845 --> 00:13:04,604 Speaker 2: very hard. In the early days, actually there was no 306 00:13:04,684 --> 00:13:06,885 Speaker 2: back history for me here, so no one knew do 307 00:13:06,925 --> 00:13:08,685 Speaker 2: we really need do we buy into his vision? And 308 00:13:09,165 --> 00:13:10,725 Speaker 2: we don't know if he's going to make it here, 309 00:13:10,804 --> 00:13:13,724 Speaker 2: so it's all like building it from scratch. And Jack, actually, 310 00:13:13,804 --> 00:13:16,165 Speaker 2: to be honest, was a boy and I started working 311 00:13:16,165 --> 00:13:19,965 Speaker 2: to him. He'd been on an afternoon show where you know, 312 00:13:20,005 --> 00:13:22,565 Speaker 2: they had a massive team as the biggest radio show 313 00:13:22,564 --> 00:13:23,085 Speaker 2: in Australia. 314 00:13:23,165 --> 00:13:25,525 Speaker 1: He wasn't really certainly wasn't used. 315 00:13:25,405 --> 00:13:27,725 Speaker 2: To working at the pace that I go at as well, 316 00:13:28,204 --> 00:13:30,684 Speaker 2: and so I think at first it was like him 317 00:13:31,165 --> 00:13:33,684 Speaker 2: struggling on a treadmill that just appeared to be like, oh. 318 00:13:33,564 --> 00:13:38,325 Speaker 1: Wait, is he just going to be like this? No, no, no, 319 00:13:38,485 --> 00:13:41,244 Speaker 1: it's always like this. And then there was like, so where's. 320 00:13:41,005 --> 00:13:43,804 Speaker 2: The run sheet? We don't need a run sheet. Nothing 321 00:13:43,885 --> 00:13:46,564 Speaker 2: needs to be agreed or lockdown the day before. And 322 00:13:46,645 --> 00:13:49,484 Speaker 2: so his evolution and a growing up and stuff like 323 00:13:49,525 --> 00:13:51,405 Speaker 2: that has actually been a marvel to see, to be honest, 324 00:13:51,444 --> 00:13:53,405 Speaker 2: and then the fact that he can ring me and 325 00:13:53,444 --> 00:13:56,205 Speaker 2: do that. And at first I was hurt that he 326 00:13:56,245 --> 00:13:58,925 Speaker 2: hadn't told me before, but then I realized my voice 327 00:13:58,965 --> 00:14:01,525 Speaker 2: has influenced in his life, and I've got no part 328 00:14:01,605 --> 00:14:03,965 Speaker 2: being I never would have strong armed him to staying, 329 00:14:04,324 --> 00:14:05,885 Speaker 2: but I think I kind of did it a bit 330 00:14:05,925 --> 00:14:08,364 Speaker 2: two years ago. To an extent, even though it wasn't 331 00:14:08,725 --> 00:14:11,604 Speaker 2: like stay, you make a mistake, I think I think 332 00:14:11,605 --> 00:14:13,725 Speaker 2: I probably did have some influence of staying. And so 333 00:14:14,285 --> 00:14:16,285 Speaker 2: I realized that actually it's not my job to make 334 00:14:16,285 --> 00:14:18,925 Speaker 2: that decision for him. And if I persuade him to say, 335 00:14:18,925 --> 00:14:21,484 Speaker 2: I'll be doing out my own interests, and that is 336 00:14:21,525 --> 00:14:22,725 Speaker 2: something else I'd never. 337 00:14:22,605 --> 00:14:23,285 Speaker 1: Do with any of you. 338 00:14:23,525 --> 00:14:26,925 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly like you just said, you don't want 339 00:14:26,965 --> 00:14:28,685 Speaker 3: anyone here that doesn't want to be here, And it's 340 00:14:28,685 --> 00:14:29,205 Speaker 3: not that he does. 341 00:14:29,365 --> 00:14:31,565 Speaker 1: Do you look at his shoes there. I didn't just 342 00:14:31,565 --> 00:14:35,405 Speaker 1: get out with him. No, I want to be here 343 00:14:35,405 --> 00:14:36,005 Speaker 1: in that chair. 344 00:14:37,205 --> 00:14:39,965 Speaker 3: It looks so much. 345 00:14:40,605 --> 00:14:42,845 Speaker 1: Mac attack in the morning. 346 00:14:46,005 --> 00:14:48,965 Speaker 2: But also, do you know what, I'm not sure I 347 00:14:48,965 --> 00:14:52,525 Speaker 2: would be right now as energized if you two hadn't 348 00:14:52,565 --> 00:14:57,005 Speaker 2: come on hugely that you have no no, no, you 349 00:14:57,045 --> 00:14:59,965 Speaker 2: really have. You must felt like last Thursday and Friday 350 00:15:00,005 --> 00:15:02,605 Speaker 2: doing those two shows, and obviously you knew suddenly after 351 00:15:02,725 --> 00:15:05,805 Speaker 2: Thursday show we then have to come back and he's going, yeah, 352 00:15:05,845 --> 00:15:08,285 Speaker 2: he's going in a week's time with all that going on, 353 00:15:08,725 --> 00:15:11,205 Speaker 2: you two made two brilliant shows with me. You must 354 00:15:11,245 --> 00:15:14,685 Speaker 2: have felt your powers then, like we've not only got 355 00:15:14,685 --> 00:15:16,565 Speaker 2: this a Christian we've got this for ourselves now and 356 00:15:16,565 --> 00:15:17,685 Speaker 2: in our career past. 357 00:15:17,765 --> 00:15:18,845 Speaker 1: And you can be honest about that. 358 00:15:19,125 --> 00:15:20,285 Speaker 3: Yeah you get read. 359 00:15:20,365 --> 00:15:22,925 Speaker 4: I think yeah, those Thursday Friday shows, it was a 360 00:15:23,005 --> 00:15:25,925 Speaker 4: different energy. Not a better energy or a worse energy, 361 00:15:25,925 --> 00:15:28,565 Speaker 4: but it's just a different energy. And we talk about 362 00:15:28,605 --> 00:15:31,604 Speaker 4: sort of the next evolution and it was a bit 363 00:15:31,645 --> 00:15:34,325 Speaker 4: of a window looking in and say, oh this is 364 00:15:34,365 --> 00:15:36,605 Speaker 4: what this is what it can be, you know, on 365 00:15:36,645 --> 00:15:41,405 Speaker 4: a regular basis, And it was a Friday show was wild, 366 00:15:41,605 --> 00:15:44,005 Speaker 4: like it was just it was insane. 367 00:15:44,085 --> 00:15:48,165 Speaker 2: There was this strange, kiddy energy I've never had before 368 00:15:48,285 --> 00:15:50,885 Speaker 2: we never get again. It was like I think it 369 00:15:50,925 --> 00:15:55,005 Speaker 2: was us sort of not physically, but on some energies 370 00:15:55,205 --> 00:15:57,525 Speaker 2: were high fiving each other, going we're going to have 371 00:15:57,525 --> 00:15:59,765 Speaker 2: so much fun. Yeah we're going to be okay, Yeah, 372 00:15:59,805 --> 00:16:01,725 Speaker 2: it's good. For him, and it's really great for us 373 00:16:01,725 --> 00:16:04,045 Speaker 2: as well. It's a win win, What beautiful way to 374 00:16:04,125 --> 00:16:07,085 Speaker 2: end any partnership where he moves on to whatever he 375 00:16:07,125 --> 00:16:09,725 Speaker 2: wants to do and we will into the next bit. 376 00:16:09,805 --> 00:16:12,325 Speaker 1: It's not going to be a struggle to work at all. 377 00:16:12,365 --> 00:16:14,365 Speaker 2: The seeds of it already starting to blossom with you 378 00:16:14,365 --> 00:16:15,205 Speaker 2: two anyway. 379 00:16:15,685 --> 00:16:16,685 Speaker 1: It's very clear to me. 380 00:16:16,845 --> 00:16:20,205 Speaker 4: And free wheeled, I think is a perfect word. I 381 00:16:20,325 --> 00:16:23,285 Speaker 4: always probably i'd feel about Thursday Friday. It was a 382 00:16:23,285 --> 00:16:25,484 Speaker 4: really free wheeling show and. 383 00:16:25,445 --> 00:16:26,045 Speaker 1: That's what happens. 384 00:16:26,125 --> 00:16:29,125 Speaker 4: Like you know, Jack talks about having space for himself, 385 00:16:29,165 --> 00:16:31,925 Speaker 4: and I think that's similar for us, Like take something 386 00:16:31,925 --> 00:16:33,765 Speaker 4: out and now there's just a bit more space to 387 00:16:33,845 --> 00:16:36,845 Speaker 4: find out, you know what is there. So I'm so excited. 388 00:16:36,885 --> 00:16:37,765 Speaker 1: I'm really excited. 389 00:16:38,085 --> 00:16:42,125 Speaker 2: You too, deserve you're a bigger future on the show. 390 00:16:42,165 --> 00:16:44,685 Speaker 2: You're both really ready for it now as well. And 391 00:16:44,725 --> 00:16:48,085 Speaker 2: so actually what Jack's done is he's added something back 392 00:16:48,165 --> 00:16:50,805 Speaker 2: to you too and me as well. Yeah, and I 393 00:16:50,805 --> 00:16:53,365 Speaker 2: think there's something really beautiful about that. It really goes 394 00:16:53,445 --> 00:16:53,725 Speaker 2: like that. 395 00:16:53,925 --> 00:16:56,244 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're so lucky for it to be like this, 396 00:16:56,685 --> 00:16:58,925 Speaker 3: for it to and I don't want to use the 397 00:16:58,925 --> 00:17:01,565 Speaker 3: word ending but for it, lack of. 398 00:17:01,565 --> 00:17:04,125 Speaker 1: Better words, it just goes to the next Yeah. 399 00:17:04,165 --> 00:17:08,445 Speaker 3: The closing of this chapter, yes, and you know using 400 00:17:08,565 --> 00:17:12,125 Speaker 3: you said like, you've had two amazing relationships with your sidekicks, 401 00:17:12,205 --> 00:17:15,165 Speaker 3: Richie and Jack. But to be honest, the reason that 402 00:17:15,205 --> 00:17:17,325 Speaker 3: we're able to do what we do for you now 403 00:17:17,645 --> 00:17:20,485 Speaker 3: is because you've helped us build that. You've given asked 404 00:17:20,525 --> 00:17:22,805 Speaker 3: the space to do that. And I think you've done 405 00:17:22,845 --> 00:17:25,125 Speaker 3: the same with both those two. 406 00:17:25,445 --> 00:17:28,165 Speaker 2: It's the join It is too far for me. It's 407 00:17:28,205 --> 00:17:30,165 Speaker 2: doing the show and performing the show and turn stories 408 00:17:30,165 --> 00:17:30,765 Speaker 2: and being funny. 409 00:17:30,845 --> 00:17:31,725 Speaker 1: I absolutely love that. 410 00:17:32,045 --> 00:17:33,885 Speaker 2: But the other big thing, and I've only realized that 411 00:17:33,925 --> 00:17:35,445 Speaker 2: since I came here when I really did have to 412 00:17:35,445 --> 00:17:38,485 Speaker 2: build a team completely from scratch and all at the 413 00:17:38,485 --> 00:17:40,085 Speaker 2: same time, which is crazy. You don't know what you 414 00:17:40,165 --> 00:17:43,045 Speaker 2: never found, never done that. You have a team, someone goes, 415 00:17:43,085 --> 00:17:46,525 Speaker 2: you bring an other person rather than people coming and going. 416 00:17:46,565 --> 00:17:48,965 Speaker 1: In the first two or three years was just crazy. 417 00:17:49,325 --> 00:17:51,845 Speaker 2: But it really made me understand the leadership and the 418 00:17:51,925 --> 00:17:54,045 Speaker 2: leader I needed to be more. And I didn't realize 419 00:17:54,045 --> 00:17:57,485 Speaker 2: how much joy I would get from finding people and 420 00:17:58,525 --> 00:18:01,445 Speaker 2: coaching them and bringing them all and seeing that has 421 00:18:01,565 --> 00:18:03,925 Speaker 2: just transformed me and now launched my own coaching business 422 00:18:03,925 --> 00:18:05,885 Speaker 2: next year. I'll be doing more that in the second 423 00:18:05,885 --> 00:18:08,205 Speaker 2: half of this year. But that to me, seeing the 424 00:18:08,285 --> 00:18:10,845 Speaker 2: right of you two has been such a joy in 425 00:18:10,845 --> 00:18:13,245 Speaker 2: the last couple of years, so much fun, you know, 426 00:18:13,405 --> 00:18:16,125 Speaker 2: and just seeing just like you know, you're such unique 427 00:18:16,205 --> 00:18:19,285 Speaker 2: voices in radio and I've never heard that before and 428 00:18:19,325 --> 00:18:22,285 Speaker 2: it's really interesting and your your stages of life are 429 00:18:22,285 --> 00:18:25,445 Speaker 2: completely different to me, and it really lights me up 430 00:18:25,485 --> 00:18:29,325 Speaker 2: hearing those voices. And Kate, you've got this beautiful energy 431 00:18:29,445 --> 00:18:32,845 Speaker 2: and you really really are so funny and so honest, 432 00:18:32,885 --> 00:18:35,285 Speaker 2: and hearing that's been great and rio my word, the 433 00:18:35,405 --> 00:18:37,765 Speaker 2: change in you and the evolution of you as a 434 00:18:37,805 --> 00:18:40,285 Speaker 2: person then in someone in front of a microphone, that's 435 00:18:40,325 --> 00:18:45,605 Speaker 2: just incredible, really really really smart and funny and just 436 00:18:45,685 --> 00:18:48,045 Speaker 2: yeah you too. The show is it has got a 437 00:18:48,165 --> 00:18:51,765 Speaker 2: very bright future. And then whoever this mystery thing is 438 00:18:52,765 --> 00:18:55,765 Speaker 2: a thing, it's a being. Whoever there is you know 439 00:18:55,805 --> 00:18:59,685 Speaker 2: what fascinates me. It will be somebody, Yes, don't even 440 00:18:59,725 --> 00:19:03,525 Speaker 2: know who that is. There was a world where there 441 00:19:03,565 --> 00:19:05,845 Speaker 2: was no Jack. There was a world only almost seven 442 00:19:05,925 --> 00:19:09,885 Speaker 2: years ago, because actually exactly seven years ago this week, 443 00:19:09,965 --> 00:19:12,805 Speaker 2: we had only just left the UK to begin our. 444 00:19:12,765 --> 00:19:14,005 Speaker 1: Journey moving here. 445 00:19:14,405 --> 00:19:18,645 Speaker 2: It's bizarre, actually, I like Jack leaving this Friday, the 446 00:19:18,805 --> 00:19:21,645 Speaker 2: very next day mark seven years of me arriving here. 447 00:19:23,245 --> 00:19:24,085 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so. 448 00:19:24,205 --> 00:19:26,605 Speaker 2: Crazy what's just happened in the last seven years of 449 00:19:26,725 --> 00:19:30,125 Speaker 2: like us actually just being here. So I'm excited for Jack, 450 00:19:30,245 --> 00:19:33,965 Speaker 2: and I'm also really excited about us. I hope that 451 00:19:33,965 --> 00:19:35,765 Speaker 2: people listening to lists can pick up from us that 452 00:19:35,765 --> 00:19:39,925 Speaker 2: there is genuine, there is real sorry about Jack going. 453 00:19:39,605 --> 00:19:41,805 Speaker 2: I'm going to miss him immensely, but I'm also so 454 00:19:41,885 --> 00:19:43,405 Speaker 2: excited he's happy. 455 00:19:43,205 --> 00:19:44,085 Speaker 1: You know, And I said that to him. 456 00:19:44,085 --> 00:19:45,725 Speaker 2: I said to him Sunday, Look, you know, I'm really 457 00:19:45,765 --> 00:19:47,285 Speaker 2: really going to miss you, deeply miss you. 458 00:19:47,325 --> 00:19:51,205 Speaker 1: But more importantly, I'm happy that he just feels freer. Yeah, 459 00:19:51,485 --> 00:19:52,325 Speaker 1: And you don't. 460 00:19:52,245 --> 00:19:53,685 Speaker 2: Want for someone you care about, You only want them 461 00:19:53,685 --> 00:19:55,885 Speaker 2: to be free. And I want to be free. And 462 00:19:55,925 --> 00:19:57,645 Speaker 2: I think on some level I knew this year he 463 00:19:57,685 --> 00:20:00,365 Speaker 2: wasn't quite happy, and so I think that's why. Actually, 464 00:20:00,405 --> 00:20:04,045 Speaker 2: when I really thought about it Thursday evening, I was wildly. 465 00:20:03,645 --> 00:20:05,085 Speaker 1: Going through so many emotions. 466 00:20:05,445 --> 00:20:07,165 Speaker 2: But actually, as I went to bed, I went to 467 00:20:07,165 --> 00:20:10,085 Speaker 2: bed happy because I knew, God, he's finally done the 468 00:20:10,085 --> 00:20:12,205 Speaker 2: decision that actually one of us would have had to make, 469 00:20:12,445 --> 00:20:14,325 Speaker 2: and it'd have hated it if it was a year 470 00:20:14,365 --> 00:20:16,325 Speaker 2: from now and it's me having to say to him 471 00:20:16,325 --> 00:20:18,805 Speaker 2: this, this isn't working anymore. It would have crushed the pair 472 00:20:18,845 --> 00:20:21,245 Speaker 2: of us that call. It was better that he made 473 00:20:21,365 --> 00:20:24,965 Speaker 2: the courageous decision, and it is to really have the 474 00:20:25,205 --> 00:20:29,005 Speaker 2: real courage to listen to a deep inner knowing even 475 00:20:29,045 --> 00:20:31,325 Speaker 2: when everyone else around him is going, what are you doing? 476 00:20:31,365 --> 00:20:34,245 Speaker 2: The show's number one, there's bigger times ahead of well, 477 00:20:34,285 --> 00:20:36,365 Speaker 2: you've done the hard yars and he knows I know 478 00:20:36,445 --> 00:20:38,125 Speaker 2: all of that, and I still must go. 479 00:20:38,205 --> 00:20:39,445 Speaker 1: There's incredible courage of that. 480 00:20:39,605 --> 00:20:39,965 Speaker 4: Amazing. 481 00:20:40,365 --> 00:20:41,685 Speaker 1: That's him finding his heart. 482 00:20:41,845 --> 00:20:44,605 Speaker 2: That's him really showing a strength that I think he's 483 00:20:44,645 --> 00:20:46,925 Speaker 2: found only recently as well, and that comes through tough 484 00:20:46,925 --> 00:20:49,125 Speaker 2: times as well. And I'm proud of him for actually 485 00:20:49,485 --> 00:20:51,805 Speaker 2: following his heart and the calling, even if he doesn't 486 00:20:51,805 --> 00:20:55,605 Speaker 2: even know where that goes. There's something beautifully inspirational about 487 00:20:55,645 --> 00:20:56,605 Speaker 2: the way Jack leaves. 488 00:20:56,645 --> 00:20:58,765 Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, I've never known it in twenty seven years, 489 00:20:58,805 --> 00:21:00,525 Speaker 1: anyone do that. Don't think I ever will again. 490 00:21:00,925 --> 00:21:03,365 Speaker 2: But Jack's always walk to the beat of his own 491 00:21:03,445 --> 00:21:04,925 Speaker 2: drum and my god, he's doing. 492 00:21:04,765 --> 00:21:06,925 Speaker 1: That way, So. 493 00:21:08,565 --> 00:21:11,845 Speaker 2: Joy what comes next, and we can also enjoin saying 494 00:21:11,845 --> 00:21:14,004 Speaker 2: goodbye to Jackie boy. This week, we've literally just had 495 00:21:14,005 --> 00:21:18,165 Speaker 2: a meeting about an insane idea that I so happens 496 00:21:18,645 --> 00:21:20,685 Speaker 2: that I will only say now we are calling the 497 00:21:21,165 --> 00:21:25,005 Speaker 2: a very grand departure. Stay tuned if you have any 498 00:21:25,085 --> 00:21:28,605 Speaker 2: questions for me. Hopefully this does reassure you I am not. Also, 499 00:21:28,645 --> 00:21:30,925 Speaker 2: a couple of said, are you looking to leave or 500 00:21:31,005 --> 00:21:34,245 Speaker 2: change with that? I am here for a very long time, yes, 501 00:21:34,245 --> 00:21:38,125 Speaker 2: and I mean many years. 502 00:21:38,725 --> 00:21:40,805 Speaker 1: That contract I signed winningly. 503 00:21:41,045 --> 00:21:44,125 Speaker 2: Okay, it's because a lot of people said, you know, 504 00:21:44,205 --> 00:21:46,565 Speaker 2: Jack was talking about the hours being a marathon, and 505 00:21:46,765 --> 00:21:47,605 Speaker 2: do you see it like that? 506 00:21:48,005 --> 00:21:48,085 Speaker 1: No. 507 00:21:48,285 --> 00:21:50,685 Speaker 2: I have a very different connection to what this is 508 00:21:50,725 --> 00:21:52,245 Speaker 2: than Jack. I always have had. 509 00:21:52,325 --> 00:21:52,965 Speaker 1: It's a different thing. 510 00:21:53,445 --> 00:21:55,365 Speaker 2: You know, in any job that you do a lot 511 00:21:55,405 --> 00:21:58,244 Speaker 2: over a long time, there's wear and tear. But you 512 00:21:58,285 --> 00:22:01,085 Speaker 2: guys know, there's no one more passionate and driven than me. No, 513 00:22:01,405 --> 00:22:03,125 Speaker 2: you never had to sort of boot me up in 514 00:22:03,125 --> 00:22:05,045 Speaker 2: the morning. I don't think you ever would have seen that. 515 00:22:05,205 --> 00:22:05,925 Speaker 3: No ever. 516 00:22:06,005 --> 00:22:07,645 Speaker 4: Ever, I'm more worried about you. 517 00:22:08,045 --> 00:22:11,725 Speaker 1: When you have the show. But you don't because there'll 518 00:22:11,725 --> 00:22:12,525 Speaker 1: always be something. 519 00:22:13,045 --> 00:22:15,845 Speaker 2: I'm never going to sit there whitling would there be 520 00:22:15,885 --> 00:22:19,125 Speaker 2: a book coaching some version of me dribbling into a 521 00:22:19,165 --> 00:22:22,285 Speaker 2: microphone At nine hundred and sixty two, when I saw 522 00:22:22,405 --> 00:22:24,685 Speaker 2: Tom Cruise say yesterday he's going to make movies in 523 00:22:24,765 --> 00:22:27,085 Speaker 2: just hundreds, I was like, probably shout to be mumbling 524 00:22:27,125 --> 00:22:30,845 Speaker 2: into a microphone to somebody somewhere in the world, or 525 00:22:30,885 --> 00:22:32,485 Speaker 2: actually even just to myself. 526 00:22:32,805 --> 00:22:34,845 Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, No, I'm happy to be here. 527 00:22:34,885 --> 00:22:37,965 Speaker 2: I choose to be here, and the next couple of 528 00:22:38,005 --> 00:22:41,365 Speaker 2: years are going to be super exciting as well. I'm 529 00:22:41,405 --> 00:22:43,485 Speaker 2: ready for the next bit as well. All Right, thank 530 00:22:43,525 --> 00:22:45,165 Speaker 2: you very much for listening. You got in questions and 531 00:22:45,165 --> 00:22:46,645 Speaker 2: I think you want to say about any of this. 532 00:22:46,965 --> 00:22:49,765 Speaker 2: Email me Christian at Christian O'Connor dot com dot a youth. 533 00:22:49,805 --> 00:22:51,925 Speaker 2: Thank you very much all the lovely messages. Thanks you 534 00:22:52,005 --> 00:22:54,085 Speaker 2: can about the show as well, and all the lovely 535 00:22:54,085 --> 00:22:55,965 Speaker 2: things you've been saying about the show and Jack. I 536 00:22:56,045 --> 00:22:58,245 Speaker 2: really appreciate that. I know you're going to miss him. 537 00:22:58,685 --> 00:23:01,485 Speaker 2: We will as well. But honestly, trust me, the show 538 00:23:01,725 --> 00:23:05,365 Speaker 2: isn't going anywhere and it won't really massively change that much. 539 00:23:05,645 --> 00:23:07,325 Speaker 1: But anyway, you'll see take care of. 540 00:23:07,365 --> 00:23:11,405 Speaker 2: Thanks and O'Connell shower on podcast.