Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken.
Speaker 2: It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture
Speaker 2: news twice a week. I'm Amy Torber and coming up
Speaker 2: on today's show, m Davy's Filthy White Couch.
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift puts on a show for.
Speaker 2: Her London boys, Olivia Mathers is reunited with her Bengal
Speaker 2: cat and keep It Clean as divisive TikTok strategy. But
Speaker 2: first officially, Sophie, we are very excited Aunties.
Speaker 1: We have been holding onto the news that Kate gave
Speaker 1: birth for a week.
Speaker 2: It was extremely hard to record this podcast without spilling
Speaker 2: the tea. I feel like some listeners could have picked
Speaker 2: up on a few things we.
Speaker 1: Said last week that I don't know.
Speaker 2: They feel like there are a few comments about babies,
Speaker 2: like we had some sort of knowledge, well more knowledge
Speaker 2: than you had the other week when you didn't realize
Speaker 2: that baby's drunk meal.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's been an eye opening experience. I have learned
Speaker 1: a lot so far.
Speaker 2: But yes, Kate decided on the name Jack Edward, and
Speaker 2: I don't think that pop cast listeners will be surprised
Speaker 2: by that because she is one for a traditional name. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so first name Jack, middle name Edward, last name Turner.
Speaker 2: He does have the initials Jet, which is pretty cool.
Speaker 2: That is literally why her husband agreed to the name,
Speaker 2: because he's like, what cool initials like? Imagine if he's
Speaker 2: a fantastic basketball player and he's speedy across the court
Speaker 2: with the nickname Jet. Well, we want to allow Kate
Speaker 2: to actually feel listeners in on the blow by blow,
Speaker 2: probably in one of our subscriber episodes, potentially on Wednesday,
Speaker 2: if she feels up to it. But I feel like
Speaker 2: we need to feel listeners in from our point of view,
Speaker 2: because yeah, she's taken like a duck to water to motherhood.
Speaker 2: She is loving us. I said to her, Oh, is
Speaker 2: it as bad as everyone makes it out to be?
Speaker 2: And I mean, putting into perspective, it is weak one.
Speaker 2: A lot of people say it takes two weeks for
Speaker 2: the child to actually wake up and be.
Speaker 1: Aware of where they are.
Speaker 2: But she said that she's loving it so far, and
Speaker 2: she's just loving getting to know her baby. He is
Speaker 2: I know we're biased. He is the most or just
Speaker 2: baby I have ever seen. Oh he's so cute, he
Speaker 2: is adorable. Well, everyone says that when you're a first
Speaker 2: time mom or dad, when you see the child, you
Speaker 2: just instantly fall in love with the baby.
Speaker 1: And I wondered what it.
Speaker 2: Would be like for you and I being aunties, not
Speaker 2: officially the mother, but as soon officially well as in
Speaker 2: Kate keeps saying that genetically we're actually very close to Jack.
Speaker 2: But when I walked in and I saw him lying there,
Speaker 2: I just felt this instant surge of love.
Speaker 1: My heart like it is. Yeah, my heart felt like
Speaker 1: it burst when I saw him. He's just adorable.
Speaker 2: I was a little bit worried about how Kate's Golden
Speaker 2: Retrievers would take to Jack.
Speaker 1: And it's so funny.
Speaker 2: The other night we were over there and Kate and
Speaker 2: Reese were changing Jack and he started to cry. And
Speaker 2: the look on the dog's faces like they were shocked.
Speaker 2: Your husband, Brandon, his face was even more shocked seeing
Speaker 2: one Jack being changed and like the pool explosion and
Speaker 2: then seeing him cry. It was actually so funny. I've
Speaker 2: got a video of it. I almost wanted to put
Speaker 2: on TikTok and entitle it. When two sets of.
Speaker 1: Dinks see the reality of having a baby.
Speaker 2: Well, that's because Jack is so placid and quiet.
Speaker 1: He's just this perfect baby.
Speaker 2: He's happy, to be passed from person to person, like
Speaker 2: he's so quiet, So it was the first time that
Speaker 2: we saw.
Speaker 1: Him really cry.
Speaker 2: Is quite funny because Kate did have a cesarean, so
Speaker 2: we all knew when she was going to give birth.
Speaker 2: So literally there were like eleven people in the waiting
Speaker 2: room for Kate.
Speaker 1: You could tell it was the first baby.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a lot of the the nurses there
Speaker 2: were sort of like, what the hell is going on?
Speaker 2: Because we consequently found out that not many people do this.
Speaker 2: So we were waiting for her to be wheeled out
Speaker 2: from into the recovery waiting.
Speaker 1: We didn't know.
Speaker 2: They just told us to wait in this area, and
Speaker 2: then we cottoned on quite quickly that they were wheeling
Speaker 2: out a lot of the.
Speaker 1: People who had had caesareans.
Speaker 2: So we managed to be in the right spot at
Speaker 2: the right time when they were wheeling Kate and Jack
Speaker 2: and Reese back through for observations, and oh my god,
Speaker 2: it was the cutest thing I've ever seen. He was
Speaker 2: just propped up on her just gave us the funniest
Speaker 2: expression and Paul, Kate, though she just come out of surgery,
Speaker 2: What the fuck is going on? Why are all of
Speaker 2: these people looking at me. It was like she was
Speaker 2: some celebrity who had been wheeled through. She wouldn't have
Speaker 2: expected any less, like she knew how excited all of
Speaker 2: the families were. This is the first grandchild for both
Speaker 2: Reese's side and also her side, so I think he's
Speaker 2: going to be a very spoiled little boy. Let us
Speaker 2: know if you do want to hear her on an
Speaker 2: episode of The Subs, because I think that she's really
Speaker 2: keen to tell her birth story. Maybe put up a
Speaker 2: question box that people can send in what they want
Speaker 2: to know.
Speaker 1: Igat Perfect Perfect.
Speaker 2: Purbat Perth influencer m Davies has set tongues wagging after
Speaker 2: listing her filthy couch on Facebook marketplace for nine hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: Super Sleeves uncovered the ad, which pictured a white linen
Speaker 2: sofa covered with black stains. Now so some followers.
Speaker 1: Were shocked by the state of the couch.
Speaker 2: Look the couch wasn't looking its best, but em was
Speaker 2: very honest in the ad about it. She didn't try
Speaker 2: to conceal the marks, she did have them on full display.
Speaker 2: In the description, she explained that the marks would come
Speaker 2: out with professional cleaning. She is just months away from
Speaker 2: giving birth. So you'd assume that she's getting rid of
Speaker 2: this couch because she wants something that's a bit more
Speaker 2: kid friendly. And this couch is already in a state
Speaker 2: after adults sitting on it. I can't imagine what it
Speaker 2: would look like after a kid got its sticky fingers
Speaker 2: or vomit all over it. When I was looking for
Speaker 2: a new couch, my husband was like, no, we can't
Speaker 2: get white.
Speaker 1: It's just going to get ruined. And I'm always like, no, no,
Speaker 1: it will look fine.
Speaker 2: But I think this is the reality of actually having
Speaker 2: a white couch. Well, my husband and I have a
Speaker 2: white couch, but it sort of has flex of that
Speaker 2: sandy color in it as well. But we just put
Speaker 2: blankets over the top of it when we sit down
Speaker 2: so that our dog doesn't get footprints on there, which
Speaker 2: I suppose defeats the purpose of having a white couch.
Speaker 2: She just looks so much chicer than gray couches. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but this one is not looking very chic at the moment.
Speaker 2: Do you think anyone will actually buy this? I mean,
Speaker 2: could it be that there's an M. Davies follower out
Speaker 2: there that wants the grimy couch? I don't think she's
Speaker 2: that well enough known to have fans want to purchase
Speaker 2: this couch just because it belonged to her. I'm guessing
Speaker 2: that because she's pregnant, she probably couldn't be bothered to
Speaker 2: go and get it cleaned herself, to just try and
Speaker 2: get a couple of extra hundred dollars on Facebook marketplace.
Speaker 2: Nine hundred dollars though for a second hand couch is
Speaker 2: very expensive. It's the same with everything at the moment.
Speaker 2: Everything is costing a fortune, yeah, but not on Facebook Marketplace.
Speaker 2: I have noticed I have been looking for secondhand furniture
Speaker 2: for my mother in law to do up because she's
Speaker 2: amazing at upcycling furniture. And it is ridiculous how much
Speaker 2: people are wanting at the moment. At least Emma's being
Speaker 2: honest though, because I remember a few years ago, Sarah's
Speaker 2: Day got heavily criticized when she advertised a rug which
Speaker 2: retailed for eight hundred and forty nine dollars. So she
Speaker 2: posted the item to her Instagram account and described it
Speaker 2: as being basically brand new, And this was despite the
Speaker 2: fact that most of her followers knew she had had
Speaker 2: it for three years. Yeah, and she said it had
Speaker 2: only briefly been used in her son's Foxes bedroom. It
Speaker 2: was quite funny at the time because the media called
Speaker 2: Sarah a cheapskate influencer and questioned why someone worth millions
Speaker 2: of dollars was trying to get as much as she
Speaker 2: could for a secondhand rug. So I do think that
Speaker 2: em did the right thing in pointing out the marks
Speaker 2: on this couch and also having those marks front and
Speaker 2: center in the PHOTOO gold Co's influencer, Olivia Mathers, has
Speaker 2: been reunited with her Bengal cat, more than two months
Speaker 2: after it mysteriously disappeared. Sophie, can you bring listeners up
Speaker 2: to speed?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 2: Back in May, Olivia issued a desperate plea to anyone
Speaker 2: with information about her Bengal cat, Hawky, who she said
Speaker 2: had been stolen. Olivia believed that her neighbors had something
Speaker 2: to do with the disappearance because they were the first
Speaker 2: ones to raise the alarm. They told her that Hawky
Speaker 2: had been dropped at the pound, So her neighbour's dad
Speaker 2: allegedly found Hawky wandering and decided to drop the pedigree
Speaker 2: cat at the pound, which doesn't make any sense now.
Speaker 2: It was all very odd at the time, it was
Speaker 2: very suspicious. Now, Olivia and her mum rushed down to
Speaker 2: the pound to be told that no Bengal cat had
Speaker 2: ever been there, and this led Olivia to confront her
Speaker 2: neighbors via text. And this is where their story suddenly changed,
Speaker 2: because the neighbor alleged that her dad actually went to
Speaker 2: get the cat out of the car and it freaked
Speaker 2: out and escaped. I think what made the disappearance so
Speaker 2: suspicious was the fact that this is a pure bred
Speaker 2: Bengal cat that went missing, and they are in such
Speaker 2: high demand at the moment and can fetch upwards of
Speaker 2: two thousand dollars. This was a story that really scared
Speaker 2: a lot of pet owners because the thought that someone
Speaker 2: could steal your cat and essentially we get away with
Speaker 2: it is terrifying. Now Olivia ended up offering a cash
Speaker 2: reward for anyone with verified information about the cat, and
Speaker 2: she also enlisted a private investigator. Now on Friday, Olivia
Speaker 2: shared the heartwarming news that Hawky was finally home. She wrote,
Speaker 2: She's home after two helpless months. A beautiful couple not
Speaker 2: far from home posted about a Bengal cat visiting frequently.
Speaker 2: The photo was undeniably Hawky. We hit the ground running
Speaker 2: over the last three days, walking the streets, staking out
Speaker 2: the houses, clinging to New Hope. Tonight she followed our
Speaker 2: voices and ran back to me. Turns out the lady
Speaker 2: that spotted her was our KINDI teacher and the kind
Speaker 2: of soul you can imagine, a heartwarming coincidence that made
Speaker 2: the reunion so much more surreal. She then shared a
Speaker 2: video of Hawky running into her arms and crying out
Speaker 2: for her. Oh, this was really heartwarming because Hawky has
Speaker 2: been weighing.
Speaker 1: Heavily on my mind.
Speaker 2: I am a cat lover, and I just thought, Wow,
Speaker 2: there's no that she's getting this cat back.
Speaker 1: So what do you think actually happened.
Speaker 2: Do you think that the neighbors, if they did actually
Speaker 2: take the cat, they've just let him loose.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It did lead to a lot of questions as to
Speaker 2: whether Hawky was taken by the neighbors and then dumped nearby,
Speaker 2: or did the cat run away. There is no cold
Speaker 2: heart evidence to actually suggest the neighbors did anything, apart
Speaker 2: from the bizarre text messages that Olivia was showing. I
Speaker 2: just want to preface it, we don't actually have evidence
Speaker 2: to say that they stole Hawky. Olivia hasn't shed any
Speaker 2: more light on what she thinks happened. But Bengals are
Speaker 2: known for having a bit of a wild side to them.
Speaker 2: They are quite different to your average cat. So once
Speaker 2: a Bengal gets a taste of the outdoors, they.
Speaker 1: Are known for roaming. So it is unclear what has happened.
Speaker 2: He hasn't roamed for two months and not come home,
Speaker 2: especially because he ran into her arms. There's obviously something
Speaker 2: that's happened, and I think that Olivia doesn't want to
Speaker 2: say any more. She's got her cat back. She doesn't
Speaker 2: want to create any further fuss, and that's I suppose
Speaker 2: the best outcome that could have happened.
Speaker 1: Don't worry about it.
Speaker 2: At Kick, We've got over one hundred and ten pilates
Speaker 2: classes to kicks. TikTok strategy has been a hot topic
Speaker 2: of conversation in our Facebook community. While some have praised
Speaker 2: the fitness app founded by Steph Claire Smith and Laura
Speaker 2: Henshaw for producing engaging content aimed at gen zetters, others
Speaker 2: have labeled the strategy as a train wreck and the
Speaker 2: videos as cringe. So for those who don't follow kicks
Speaker 2: TikTok accounts. So what kind of videos are they posting. Look,
Speaker 2: I'm not a gen Zetter, so maybe this isn't aimed
Speaker 2: at me. But they're posting a lot of those trending
Speaker 2: sound videos where they and their work colleagues mime to
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of cringey sounds. And then they're doing
Speaker 2: a lot of those transitional videos, and it's just really
Speaker 2: finding a trend and then copying it or redoing the trend.
Speaker 1: They're not really videos that are specific to them.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's clear that they're wanting to garner as many
Speaker 2: views and new eyeballs as they can. Yeah, they're jumping
Speaker 2: on a lot of trends and some people have said
Speaker 2: it's cringe.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's cringe?
Speaker 2: The general vibe I get from these videos that it's
Speaker 2: millennials who are trying to fit in with gen Zetters
Speaker 2: and they're trying to jump on board these viral trends.
Speaker 2: But I actually think a lot of gen Zetters would
Speaker 2: roll their eyes at these videos. Yeah, but a lot
Speaker 2: of their marketing team are gen Zetters, and that's where
Speaker 2: the ideas are coming from. I actually think they're doing
Speaker 2: a good job. They're obviously trying to target that market. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but are they ostracizing their other audience because I did
Speaker 2: read enough Facebook community that some people are rage viewing
Speaker 2: these videos and that they're they're not saying that they're
Speaker 2: rage baiting by sharage baiting, sorry, and it's probably leading
Speaker 2: some people to unfollow the account. Stefan Laura have said
Speaker 2: in previous interviews that ninety percent of their app downloads
Speaker 2: are from organic channels, while their competitors rely heavily on
Speaker 2: paid marketing. I mean, that's not particularly surprising considering that
Speaker 2: Steph kles Smith has over one million followers, so it's
Speaker 2: interesting to see if that is coming from their own
Speaker 2: accounts or whether that is coming from Kick social media channels.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, if you look at Stephan Laura's followers,
Speaker 2: the majority would be millennials. So it's clear they're trying
Speaker 2: to push for this new wave of Kick subscribers with
Speaker 2: this style of content. My fear though, is what these
Speaker 2: kind of videos do for overall brandings. So while I
Speaker 2: can see they're trying to appeal to the gen zs,
Speaker 2: it does come across like they're chasing trends just to
Speaker 2: get quick likes and views, and you don't get a
Speaker 2: real sense of Laura and Steph's personalities, which I think
Speaker 2: is a huge selling point for them. It's a hard
Speaker 2: one because as a publicist, we do give advice on
Speaker 2: social media and I have said to my clients in
Speaker 2: the past that you have to have a completely different
Speaker 2: content strategy for TikTok as you have to do for
Speaker 2: Instagram or Facebook. However, in this case, I don't think
Speaker 2: that these videos are meeting up with their overall brand
Speaker 2: messaging and brand voice. I actually think it's doing the
Speaker 2: more damage than good because, as we touched on, they
Speaker 2: think that people think there's a lot of rage baiting
Speaker 2: going on, which will lead people to unfollow. And I
Speaker 2: understand that you're wanting to reach out to a new demographic,
Speaker 2: but I actually don't think that these videos are successful
Speaker 2: in doing that because I also think gen zs are
Speaker 2: probably getting the ick from them. See I disagree with
Speaker 2: you because I think if you look at a lot
Speaker 2: of their new strategies, for instance, TikTok and even their
Speaker 2: podcast come down to the fact that Kickers set its
Speaker 2: sites on expanding globally, so they currently have a lot
Speaker 2: of eyeballs on what they're doing, and there's would be
Speaker 2: a lot of interest in how many followers they have
Speaker 2: on TikTok, how many podcasts subscribers they have, So I
Speaker 2: don't think they really care how they're getting people to
Speaker 2: listen to them, whether it be on TikTok or on
Speaker 2: their podcasts. I mean, they've copped flak in the past
Speaker 2: before for sharing way too much information on their podcast,
Speaker 2: but it's clearly working for them because Laura spoke to
Speaker 2: The Financial Review last year about how they were testing
Speaker 2: the UK market for capital raising, and she was open
Speaker 2: about how she and Steph had traveled to the UK
Speaker 2: to get a better feel for the market, and interestingly,
Speaker 2: she said that their podcast, The Kickpod, had played a
Speaker 2: major role in their UK expansion plans. So she said
Speaker 2: the plan was to grow their UK listenership substantially, and
Speaker 2: they were able to do this by interviewing well known
Speaker 2: UK identities who then shared to their followers that they
Speaker 2: were on the podcast, and in February they reported that
Speaker 2: their subscriptions on their kickapp had gone up by nineteen percent.
Speaker 2: So this incidental marketing through the Kickpod has actually resulted
Speaker 2: in greater.
Speaker 1: Revenue numbers for them on their app.
Speaker 2: One thing I think they do do very well is
Speaker 2: the small reels and tiktoks that they produce from clips
Speaker 2: of the podcast, because they're edited in such a way
Speaker 2: that you're left wanting to find out more and you're
Speaker 2: intrigued by the statement or question that they've put out there.
Speaker 2: So I actually think that sort of content is great
Speaker 2: for their brand, great for their key messaging, and it
Speaker 2: positions Steph and Laura as fun businesssiness women, not necessarily
Speaker 2: these cringe influences.
Speaker 1: Who are jumping on every track.
Speaker 2: Yet. I think it's about having a mix of videos.
Speaker 2: So they can have some of these cringe gen zetta
Speaker 2: aimed videos, but they need to mix it, as you said,
Speaker 2: with other kind of content. I mean a lot of
Speaker 2: their businesses revolved around food. They share a lot of recipes,
Speaker 2: they sell a lot of food in supermarkets. I would
Speaker 2: be pushing for some more recipe videos. They're huge on TikTok.
Speaker 1: At the moment.
Speaker 2: I think what's evident is that step and Laura are
Speaker 2: smart and they know that they were able to launch
Speaker 2: Kickback in twenty fifteen because of how popular they both
Speaker 2: were on social media, so obviously TikTok is incredibly important
Speaker 2: to them, and they will be looking at their numbers
Speaker 2: very closely. I also wonder whether they're gearing up to
Speaker 2: sell Kick, because it sounds like step and Laura are
Speaker 2: making a conscious effort to step back from being one
Speaker 2: hundred percent front facing when it comes to the Kick app.
Speaker 2: So even in some of Kicks TikTok videos you'll see
Speaker 2: stuff half members who are the focus, and Steph told
Speaker 2: Forbes magazine in March this year that they are now
Speaker 2: only in about twenty five percent of Kicks current content
Speaker 2: on the app and it has not affected the completion
Speaker 2: of workouts or engagement. I know when Kayla was gearing
Speaker 2: up to sell the Sweat app, which she did subsequently
Speaker 2: by back, there was a big push to bring in
Speaker 2: other trainers to make it more appealing to potential buyers.
Speaker 2: I know there is a view that it's risky to
Speaker 2: buy a business that relies so heavily on the sole
Speaker 2: branding of the founders. We saw Sam would sell his
Speaker 2: app for seventy one million dollars a few years ago,
Speaker 2: so they would be huge demand for an app like Kick.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, Laura told The Financial Review in January of twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three that they know in order to build a
Speaker 2: sustainable business that could scale globally, they need to diversify
Speaker 2: the product away from them. So it's going to be
Speaker 2: very interesting to see what the future holds for Kick
Speaker 2: over the next couple of years. He kind of pointed
Speaker 2: to Prince William and said something like, I hear you
Speaker 2: like to do this at karaoke night. Karaoke Boy Taylor
Speaker 2: Swift has stun fans on the London leg of her
Speaker 2: Ears tour with a surprise performance by her NFL star
Speaker 2: boyfriend Travis Kelce. Swifty's are dubbing the singer the Queen
Speaker 2: of Revenge, with the move taking place on her ex's
Speaker 2: home soil. This moment caught so many Swifties off guard.
Speaker 2: No one was expecting Travis to make an appearance on stage,
Speaker 2: and he has been known to take on the role
Speaker 2: of the supportive boyfriend, being heavily praised for singing and
Speaker 2: dancing in the crowd, which is in direct contrast to
Speaker 2: her ex, Joe Olwen, who rarely came to any of
Speaker 2: her shows and kept a very low profile. However, I
Speaker 2: don't think that anyone was prepared to have him appear
Speaker 2: on stage dressed in a top hat and tails as
Speaker 2: a backup danswer, it just.
Speaker 1: Didn't seem real. I saw it.
Speaker 2: Kate forward it to me because she has been up
Speaker 2: in the early hours of the morning feeding little baby Jack,
Speaker 2: and like, my jaw just hit the floor when I
Speaker 2: opened it, I was like, no way.
Speaker 1: For those who haven't seen.
Speaker 2: In the clip, Travis joins Taylor on stage for the
Speaker 2: transition into her new hit.
Speaker 1: Song I Can Do It with a Broken.
Speaker 2: Heart, and this song is all about her being heartbroken
Speaker 2: whilst on tour, so this was after her situationship Matt
Speaker 2: Healey just ghosted her and the song coincidentally follows The
Speaker 2: Smallest Man Who Ever Lived, which is also about Matt Healey.
Speaker 2: By the end of the song, Taylor has collapsed on
Speaker 2: the floor and her backup dancers have to scoop her
Speaker 2: up and carry her onto a couch and they prop
Speaker 2: her up like a puppet to get her change into
Speaker 2: her next outfit, and she looks really terrified while they
Speaker 2: have to encourage her to go on stage. So basically
Speaker 2: Travis took on the role of one of these backup
Speaker 2: dancers and it's so symbolic to have Travis there because
Speaker 2: many fans say that he brought her back to life
Speaker 2: and helped mend her broken heart. I saw a meme
Speaker 2: on Instagram and it was one of those ones how
Speaker 2: it started and how it's going now, and it was
Speaker 2: comparing the fact that Travis less than a year ago
Speaker 2: was making friendship bracelets to go to Taylor Swifts concert
Speaker 2: and now he's literally performing in one of her biggest
Speaker 2: songs and he has songs written about him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just crazy.
Speaker 2: Many fans actually thought that he was going up on
Speaker 2: stage to propose to her. Sadly this didn't happen, but
Speaker 2: many are thinking that this kind of stunt means that
Speaker 2: a proposal isn't far away, because I mean, this is
Speaker 2: soulmate sort of shit, Like you don't just bring up
Speaker 2: some guy you're casually dating and putting on stage for
Speaker 2: the rest of the world to see. I think that
Speaker 2: an engagement is happening. Maybe it will happen on their
Speaker 2: one year anniversary, which I mean, I don't think Travis
Speaker 2: is ever going to propose in public or on stage.
Speaker 1: It would be a private affair.
Speaker 2: But it's a huge move, as you said, for Taylor
Speaker 2: to have Travis come up on stage. We haven't seen
Speaker 2: something like this before with any of her other past boyfriends.
Speaker 2: What I really love about this stunt is that it
Speaker 2: cements that Taylor is the Queen of revenge. Even though
Speaker 2: she is so famous and so popular, she's petty like
Speaker 2: the rest of us because she has such a long
Speaker 2: history with London. The city has been a huge part
Speaker 2: of her life. Not only has she lived there and
Speaker 2: recorded music there, but she's had several serious relationships with
Speaker 2: London boys.
Speaker 1: So that's been Harry Styles, Tom.
Speaker 2: Hitdleson, Joe Olwen and also Matt Heay, so it's quite
Speaker 2: clear that she loves an English accent.
Speaker 1: She loves a London boy.
Speaker 2: Yes that song that we probably would never ever hear
Speaker 2: live again. On her most recent album, she had a
Speaker 2: song seemingly saying goodbye to London, But to me, it
Speaker 2: seems like she is trying to reclaim this city and
Speaker 2: make new memories there with Travis. And what a master
Speaker 2: move is it to break up with Joe Olwen. Then
Speaker 2: the next time you're in London you bring your new
Speaker 2: golden retriever boyfriend that everyone's obsessed with up on stage
Speaker 2: to prove that you can be Taylor Swist's boyfriend and
Speaker 2: proudly support her. You might also have something to do
Speaker 2: with the fact that Joe Olwen was recently interviewed by
Speaker 2: The Sunday Times and it was the first time he's
Speaker 2: actually out since his breakup with Taylor Swift. He didn't
Speaker 2: say anything too juicy, but some people have been reading
Speaker 2: into the timelines he discussed. Yeah, because people were reading
Speaker 2: into it that the breakup happened only a week before
Speaker 2: it was made public. So that was around June or
Speaker 2: July last year, and Taylor's people were kind of trying
Speaker 2: to put it out there saying that the breakup happened
Speaker 2: months before, in February. Yeah, so there's some rumors going
Speaker 2: around and people are saying, well, maybe there was potentially
Speaker 2: a crossover with Matt Healey.
Speaker 1: We don't know. All I know is whatever Taylor says.
Speaker 1: I'm taking that on face value. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, Also, whilst in London, Taylor has gone Instagram official
Speaker 2: with Travis.
Speaker 1: I mean, everyone.
Speaker 2: Knows that they're official and that they're together, but this
Speaker 2: is the first time she has posted about him, and
Speaker 2: also the first time that she's posted about a boyfriend
Speaker 2: in quite some time. I think the last boyfriend she
Speaker 2: posted about was Calvin Harris.
Speaker 1: What does she post?
Speaker 2: Well, this isn't your regular hard launch because it included
Speaker 2: none other than two future Kings of England are the
Speaker 2: Princess So Prince William celebrated his forty second birthday by
Speaker 2: bringing Charlotte and George to the opening night of.
Speaker 1: Taylor's Eras tour.
Speaker 2: So it is quite clear that the Royal family are
Speaker 2: big fans of Taylor Swift because on their official ex
Speaker 2: account they posted a video of the British Army performing
Speaker 2: a rendition of Taylor Swift shake it Off during the
Speaker 2: changing of guards at Buckingham Palace.
Speaker 1: Let's throw to a clip.
Speaker 2: They captured the post Can't stop Won't Stop Grooving? This
Speaker 2: is iconic from their social media team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, their social media team does a really good job.
Speaker 1: I've often thought, what must it be like to be
Speaker 1: their videographer? Be pretty cool gig.
Speaker 2: Not so surprisingly, Prince William and the kids didn't sit
Speaker 2: in the VIP tent. They had their own private box,
Speaker 2: but the IP tent has seen some action over the
Speaker 2: past few days, with Sir Paul McCartney being spotted in there,
Speaker 2: as well as Tom Cruise Ashen Kutcher, Millericunis, and Hugh Grant. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and while Taylor doesn't always have time to do meet
Speaker 2: and greets with famous fans before or after the shows,
Speaker 2: as Travis Kelsey learned the hard way, she did make
Speaker 2: an exception for the royal family, and many fans felt
Speaker 2: like they'd stepped into some bizarre alternate universe. When William
Speaker 2: posted a photo to his official Instagram account of him
Speaker 2: and the kids with Taylor, he captured the photo thank
Speaker 2: you Taylor Swift for a great evening, hashtag London ts
Speaker 2: the eras tour now. Shortly after, Taylor backed it up,
Speaker 2: sharing a selfie with William, Charlotte George and also Travis
Speaker 2: Kelcey and wrote happy b day mate. I must preface
Speaker 2: that Taylor spelt mate in a very old school millennial
Speaker 2: way with an M and eight, and she continued writing
Speaker 2: London shows off to a splendid start and did an
Speaker 2: English and American flag with a shaking hand emoji after it. Well,
Speaker 2: when I saw the photo, at first, I thought, is
Speaker 2: that a wax figure of Taylor Swift like?
Speaker 1: It was very confused.
Speaker 2: It was very Madame Tussard's looking in the photo. Taylor
Speaker 2: was dressed in her black, sparkly blazer dress that she
Speaker 2: wears during her performance of The Man, which is in
Speaker 2: contrast to what she usually wears behind the scenes. She's
Speaker 2: usually in her sparkly leotard. But I'm guessing that the
Speaker 2: royal aides requested a more conservative outfit for her to
Speaker 2: be around the royals in It reminds me of that
Speaker 2: time the Princess Diana went to a Michael Jackson concert
Speaker 2: and he's got a song Dirty Diana, and they specifically
Speaker 2: removed it from the concert because they thought, oh, this
Speaker 2: might be a bit awkward, And apparently Diana told Michael
Speaker 2: Jackson after the show that she was really disappointed because
Speaker 2: it was her favorite song. Prince William seemed to steal
Speaker 2: the viral moment because he made a bit of a
Speaker 2: spectacle of himself during.
Speaker 1: Shake It Off.
Speaker 2: A fan panned up to capture William in the stands
Speaker 2: and he was doing the daggiest day dance to Shake
Speaker 2: it Off. He was dancing like nobody was watching him,
Speaker 2: and it looked like he was having the time of
Speaker 2: his life.
Speaker 1: I was very happy for him. Yeah, I did enjoy
Speaker 1: seeing that.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's been caught out a couple of times
Speaker 2: dancing in a daggy fashion.
Speaker 1: It is very Prince William. I just kept thinking the
Speaker 1: whole time.
Speaker 2: I wonder if Harry is really jealous, because in his
Speaker 2: tell Or interview with Meghan Markele, he spoke about how
Speaker 2: much he loved the Reputation album, especially Look What You
Speaker 2: Made Me Do? And I just thought, oh, I would
Speaker 2: have loved to have seen Harry backstage meeting her well.
Speaker 2: Some fans have speculated that Taylor and William's posts were
Speaker 2: throwing shade at Prince Harry and Meghan Markle. So Meghan
Speaker 2: has previously attended one of Taylor's LA shows, but she
Speaker 2: didn't appear to be sitting in the VIP section and
Speaker 2: there were no photos of her with Taylor after the performance. Now.
Speaker 2: Taylor also allegedly declined to appear on Meghan's Archetypes podcast,
Speaker 2: which led many to believe that she was taking sides
Speaker 2: with the Royal family. I don't even think there's been
Speaker 2: one podcast that Taylor Swift's been oh no, but I
Speaker 2: think it's clear that Taylor would want to keep the
Speaker 2: British Royal family happy. One Royal fan wrote on x
Speaker 2: oh Man the shade to not only Meghan and Harry,
Speaker 2: but also her ex London Boy Bravo, Taylor Swift and
Speaker 2: Prince William, whilst another said you never saw Harry and
Speaker 2: Meghan get that close to Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1: Thank you for choosing the right side, Taylor.
Speaker 2: This is such a huge win for the royal family
Speaker 2: because last year it was widely publicized that King Charles
Speaker 2: struggled to get any homegrown acts to perform at the concert,
Speaker 2: so he had reached out to Harry Styles and Dale,
Speaker 2: Robbie Williams, Elton John and even the Spy Skirls and
Speaker 2: they all reportedly refuse to be part of the ceremony.
Speaker 2: So what you're saying is that when we finally have
Speaker 2: a King William, there's going to be a pretty good concert.
Speaker 1: Taylor Stiff would definitely be in attendance. I wonder if.
Speaker 2: This is a new pr strategy from Prince William's team,
Speaker 2: because since Kate Middleton made her first public appearance last
Speaker 2: week amid her cancer battle, they appear to be sharing
Speaker 2: more more behind the scenes styff photos which make the
Speaker 2: family look more relatable and normal. So on the couple's
Speaker 2: official Instagram account, they shared a very cute photo of
Speaker 2: William and the kids at the beach and William and
Speaker 2: the kids mid air jumping over sand dunes. I mean
Speaker 2: you even commented to me saying, I can't believe they're
Speaker 2: allowed to share this photo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was really surprised when I saw it. I
Speaker 1: just kept thinking where did they land? Like on the sand?
Speaker 1: Was that a heavy fall? I suppose because Kate is now.
Speaker 2: The official photographer for them, and it just makes him
Speaker 2: look like a fun, hands on dad. I think it's
Speaker 2: also been very clever because everyone is forgetting the narrative
Speaker 2: that Prince Harry has built on William being this aggressive guy.
Speaker 1: Who had a punch up with him. He's a Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just loving daggy dad that's dancing in the crowd,
Speaker 2: that loves jumping on sand dunes with his kids. That
Speaker 2: is the recent pr push with Prince William, and with
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift now seen to be endorsing him, it is
Speaker 2: a major win for the British royal family.
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