1 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:04,559 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 2: It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 2: news twice a week. I'm Amy Torber and coming up 4 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 2: on today's show, m Davy's Filthy White Couch. 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift puts on a show for. 6 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 2: Her London boys, Olivia Mathers is reunited with her Bengal 7 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 2: cat and keep It Clean as divisive TikTok strategy. But 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 2: first officially, Sophie, we are very excited Aunties. 9 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: We have been holding onto the news that Kate gave 10 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 1: birth for a week. 11 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 2: It was extremely hard to record this podcast without spilling 12 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: the tea. I feel like some listeners could have picked 13 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 2: up on a few things we. 14 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: Said last week that I don't know. 15 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 2: They feel like there are a few comments about babies, 16 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 2: like we had some sort of knowledge, well more knowledge 17 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 2: than you had the other week when you didn't realize 18 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 2: that baby's drunk meal. 19 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: Yes, it's been an eye opening experience. I have learned 20 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: a lot so far. 21 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 2: But yes, Kate decided on the name Jack Edward, and 22 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 2: I don't think that pop cast listeners will be surprised 23 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 2: by that because she is one for a traditional name. Yeah, 24 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 2: so first name Jack, middle name Edward, last name Turner. 25 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 2: He does have the initials Jet, which is pretty cool. 26 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 2: That is literally why her husband agreed to the name, 27 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 2: because he's like, what cool initials like? Imagine if he's 28 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 2: a fantastic basketball player and he's speedy across the court 29 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 2: with the nickname Jet. Well, we want to allow Kate 30 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 2: to actually feel listeners in on the blow by blow, 31 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 2: probably in one of our subscriber episodes, potentially on Wednesday, 32 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 2: if she feels up to it. But I feel like 33 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,119 Speaker 2: we need to feel listeners in from our point of view, 34 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 2: because yeah, she's taken like a duck to water to motherhood. 35 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 2: She is loving us. I said to her, Oh, is 36 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 2: it as bad as everyone makes it out to be? 37 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 2: And I mean, putting into perspective, it is weak one. 38 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 2: A lot of people say it takes two weeks for 39 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 2: the child to actually wake up and be. 40 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: Aware of where they are. 41 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 2: But she said that she's loving it so far, and 42 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 2: she's just loving getting to know her baby. He is 43 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 2: I know we're biased. He is the most or just 44 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 2: baby I have ever seen. Oh he's so cute, he 45 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 2: is adorable. Well, everyone says that when you're a first 46 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 2: time mom or dad, when you see the child, you 47 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 2: just instantly fall in love with the baby. 48 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: And I wondered what it. 49 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 2: Would be like for you and I being aunties, not 50 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 2: officially the mother, but as soon officially well as in 51 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 2: Kate keeps saying that genetically we're actually very close to Jack. 52 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,959 Speaker 2: But when I walked in and I saw him lying there, 53 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 2: I just felt this instant surge of love. 54 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: My heart like it is. Yeah, my heart felt like 55 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: it burst when I saw him. He's just adorable. 56 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 2: I was a little bit worried about how Kate's Golden 57 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 2: Retrievers would take to Jack. 58 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: And it's so funny. 59 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 2: The other night we were over there and Kate and 60 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 2: Reese were changing Jack and he started to cry. And 61 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 2: the look on the dog's faces like they were shocked. 62 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 2: Your husband, Brandon, his face was even more shocked seeing 63 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 2: one Jack being changed and like the pool explosion and 64 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 2: then seeing him cry. It was actually so funny. I've 65 00:02:58,240 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 2: got a video of it. I almost wanted to put 66 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 2: on TikTok and entitle it. When two sets of. 67 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: Dinks see the reality of having a baby. 68 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: Well, that's because Jack is so placid and quiet. 69 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: He's just this perfect baby. 70 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 2: He's happy, to be passed from person to person, like 71 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 2: he's so quiet, So it was the first time that 72 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:18,399 Speaker 2: we saw. 73 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: Him really cry. 74 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 2: Is quite funny because Kate did have a cesarean, so 75 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 2: we all knew when she was going to give birth. 76 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 2: So literally there were like eleven people in the waiting 77 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 2: room for Kate. 78 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: You could tell it was the first baby. 79 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a lot of the the nurses there 80 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 2: were sort of like, what the hell is going on? 81 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 2: Because we consequently found out that not many people do this. 82 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 2: So we were waiting for her to be wheeled out 83 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 2: from into the recovery waiting. 84 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: We didn't know. 85 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 2: They just told us to wait in this area, and 86 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 2: then we cottoned on quite quickly that they were wheeling 87 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 2: out a lot of the. 88 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: People who had had caesareans. 89 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 2: So we managed to be in the right spot at 90 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 2: the right time when they were wheeling Kate and Jack 91 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 2: and Reese back through for observations, and oh my god, 92 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 2: it was the cutest thing I've ever seen. He was 93 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 2: just propped up on her just gave us the funniest 94 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 2: expression and Paul, Kate, though she just come out of surgery, 95 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 2: What the fuck is going on? Why are all of 96 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 2: these people looking at me. It was like she was 97 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 2: some celebrity who had been wheeled through. She wouldn't have 98 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 2: expected any less, like she knew how excited all of 99 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 2: the families were. This is the first grandchild for both 100 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 2: Reese's side and also her side, so I think he's 101 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 2: going to be a very spoiled little boy. Let us 102 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 2: know if you do want to hear her on an 103 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 2: episode of The Subs, because I think that she's really 104 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 2: keen to tell her birth story. Maybe put up a 105 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 2: question box that people can send in what they want 106 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 2: to know. 107 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: Igat Perfect Perfect. 108 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 2: Purbat Perth influencer m Davies has set tongues wagging after 109 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:52,799 Speaker 2: listing her filthy couch on Facebook marketplace for nine hundred dollars. 110 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 2: Super Sleeves uncovered the ad, which pictured a white linen 111 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 2: sofa covered with black stains. Now so some followers. 112 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 1: Were shocked by the state of the couch. 113 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 2: Look the couch wasn't looking its best, but em was 114 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 2: very honest in the ad about it. She didn't try 115 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 2: to conceal the marks, she did have them on full display. 116 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 2: In the description, she explained that the marks would come 117 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 2: out with professional cleaning. She is just months away from 118 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 2: giving birth. So you'd assume that she's getting rid of 119 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 2: this couch because she wants something that's a bit more 120 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 2: kid friendly. And this couch is already in a state 121 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 2: after adults sitting on it. I can't imagine what it 122 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 2: would look like after a kid got its sticky fingers 123 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 2: or vomit all over it. When I was looking for 124 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 2: a new couch, my husband was like, no, we can't 125 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:36,679 Speaker 2: get white. 126 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: It's just going to get ruined. And I'm always like, no, no, 127 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: it will look fine. 128 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 2: But I think this is the reality of actually having 129 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 2: a white couch. Well, my husband and I have a 130 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 2: white couch, but it sort of has flex of that 131 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 2: sandy color in it as well. But we just put 132 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 2: blankets over the top of it when we sit down 133 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 2: so that our dog doesn't get footprints on there, which 134 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 2: I suppose defeats the purpose of having a white couch. 135 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 2: She just looks so much chicer than gray couches. Yeah, 136 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 2: but this one is not looking very chic at the moment. 137 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 2: Do you think anyone will actually buy this? I mean, 138 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 2: could it be that there's an M. Davies follower out 139 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 2: there that wants the grimy couch? I don't think she's 140 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 2: that well enough known to have fans want to purchase 141 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 2: this couch just because it belonged to her. I'm guessing 142 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 2: that because she's pregnant, she probably couldn't be bothered to 143 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: go and get it cleaned herself, to just try and 144 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 2: get a couple of extra hundred dollars on Facebook marketplace. 145 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 2: Nine hundred dollars though for a second hand couch is 146 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 2: very expensive. It's the same with everything at the moment. 147 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 2: Everything is costing a fortune, yeah, but not on Facebook Marketplace. 148 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 2: I have noticed I have been looking for secondhand furniture 149 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: for my mother in law to do up because she's 150 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 2: amazing at upcycling furniture. And it is ridiculous how much 151 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 2: people are wanting at the moment. At least Emma's being 152 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 2: honest though, because I remember a few years ago, Sarah's 153 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 2: Day got heavily criticized when she advertised a rug which 154 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 2: retailed for eight hundred and forty nine dollars. So she 155 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 2: posted the item to her Instagram account and described it 156 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 2: as being basically brand new, And this was despite the 157 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 2: fact that most of her followers knew she had had 158 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 2: it for three years. Yeah, and she said it had 159 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 2: only briefly been used in her son's Foxes bedroom. It 160 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 2: was quite funny at the time because the media called 161 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 2: Sarah a cheapskate influencer and questioned why someone worth millions 162 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 2: of dollars was trying to get as much as she 163 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 2: could for a secondhand rug. So I do think that 164 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 2: em did the right thing in pointing out the marks 165 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 2: on this couch and also having those marks front and 166 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: center in the PHOTOO gold Co's influencer, Olivia Mathers, has 167 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 2: been reunited with her Bengal cat, more than two months 168 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 2: after it mysteriously disappeared. Sophie, can you bring listeners up 169 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 2: to speed? 170 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: Well? 171 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 2: Back in May, Olivia issued a desperate plea to anyone 172 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 2: with information about her Bengal cat, Hawky, who she said 173 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 2: had been stolen. Olivia believed that her neighbors had something 174 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 2: to do with the disappearance because they were the first 175 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 2: ones to raise the alarm. They told her that Hawky 176 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 2: had been dropped at the pound, So her neighbour's dad 177 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 2: allegedly found Hawky wandering and decided to drop the pedigree 178 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 2: cat at the pound, which doesn't make any sense now. 179 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 2: It was all very odd at the time, it was 180 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 2: very suspicious. Now, Olivia and her mum rushed down to 181 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 2: the pound to be told that no Bengal cat had 182 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 2: ever been there, and this led Olivia to confront her 183 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 2: neighbors via text. And this is where their story suddenly changed, 184 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 2: because the neighbor alleged that her dad actually went to 185 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 2: get the cat out of the car and it freaked 186 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 2: out and escaped. I think what made the disappearance so 187 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 2: suspicious was the fact that this is a pure bred 188 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 2: Bengal cat that went missing, and they are in such 189 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 2: high demand at the moment and can fetch upwards of 190 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 2: two thousand dollars. This was a story that really scared 191 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 2: a lot of pet owners because the thought that someone 192 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 2: could steal your cat and essentially we get away with 193 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 2: it is terrifying. Now Olivia ended up offering a cash 194 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 2: reward for anyone with verified information about the cat, and 195 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 2: she also enlisted a private investigator. Now on Friday, Olivia 196 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 2: shared the heartwarming news that Hawky was finally home. She wrote, 197 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 2: She's home after two helpless months. A beautiful couple not 198 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 2: far from home posted about a Bengal cat visiting frequently. 199 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 2: The photo was undeniably Hawky. We hit the ground running 200 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 2: over the last three days, walking the streets, staking out 201 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 2: the houses, clinging to New Hope. Tonight she followed our 202 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 2: voices and ran back to me. Turns out the lady 203 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 2: that spotted her was our KINDI teacher and the kind 204 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 2: of soul you can imagine, a heartwarming coincidence that made 205 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 2: the reunion so much more surreal. She then shared a 206 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 2: video of Hawky running into her arms and crying out 207 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:55,839 Speaker 2: for her. Oh, this was really heartwarming because Hawky has 208 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 2: been weighing. 209 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: Heavily on my mind. 210 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 2: I am a cat lover, and I just thought, Wow, 211 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 2: there's no that she's getting this cat back. 212 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: So what do you think actually happened. 213 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 2: Do you think that the neighbors, if they did actually 214 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 2: take the cat, they've just let him loose. 215 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 216 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 2: It did lead to a lot of questions as to 217 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 2: whether Hawky was taken by the neighbors and then dumped nearby, 218 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 2: or did the cat run away. There is no cold 219 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 2: heart evidence to actually suggest the neighbors did anything, apart 220 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 2: from the bizarre text messages that Olivia was showing. I 221 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 2: just want to preface it, we don't actually have evidence 222 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 2: to say that they stole Hawky. Olivia hasn't shed any 223 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 2: more light on what she thinks happened. But Bengals are 224 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 2: known for having a bit of a wild side to them. 225 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 2: They are quite different to your average cat. So once 226 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 2: a Bengal gets a taste of the outdoors, they. 227 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: Are known for roaming. So it is unclear what has happened. 228 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 2: He hasn't roamed for two months and not come home, 229 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 2: especially because he ran into her arms. There's obviously something 230 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 2: that's happened, and I think that Olivia doesn't want to 231 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 2: say any more. She's got her cat back. She doesn't 232 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 2: want to create any further fuss, and that's I suppose 233 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 2: the best outcome that could have happened. 234 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 1: Don't worry about it. 235 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 2: At Kick, We've got over one hundred and ten pilates 236 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 2: classes to kicks. TikTok strategy has been a hot topic 237 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 2: of conversation in our Facebook community. While some have praised 238 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 2: the fitness app founded by Steph Claire Smith and Laura 239 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 2: Henshaw for producing engaging content aimed at gen zetters, others 240 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 2: have labeled the strategy as a train wreck and the 241 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 2: videos as cringe. So for those who don't follow kicks 242 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 2: TikTok accounts. So what kind of videos are they posting. Look, 243 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 2: I'm not a gen Zetter, so maybe this isn't aimed 244 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 2: at me. But they're posting a lot of those trending 245 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 2: sound videos where they and their work colleagues mime to 246 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 2: a whole bunch of cringey sounds. And then they're doing 247 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 2: a lot of those transitional videos, and it's just really 248 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 2: finding a trend and then copying it or redoing the trend. 249 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: They're not really videos that are specific to them. 250 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 2: Yes, it's clear that they're wanting to garner as many 251 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 2: views and new eyeballs as they can. Yeah, they're jumping 252 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 2: on a lot of trends and some people have said 253 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 2: it's cringe. 254 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 1: Do you think it's cringe? 255 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 2: The general vibe I get from these videos that it's 256 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 2: millennials who are trying to fit in with gen Zetters 257 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 2: and they're trying to jump on board these viral trends. 258 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 2: But I actually think a lot of gen Zetters would 259 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 2: roll their eyes at these videos. Yeah, but a lot 260 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 2: of their marketing team are gen Zetters, and that's where 261 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 2: the ideas are coming from. I actually think they're doing 262 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 2: a good job. They're obviously trying to target that market. Yeah, 263 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 2: but are they ostracizing their other audience because I did 264 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 2: read enough Facebook community that some people are rage viewing 265 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 2: these videos and that they're they're not saying that they're 266 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 2: rage baiting by sharage baiting, sorry, and it's probably leading 267 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 2: some people to unfollow the account. Stefan Laura have said 268 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,239 Speaker 2: in previous interviews that ninety percent of their app downloads 269 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 2: are from organic channels, while their competitors rely heavily on 270 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 2: paid marketing. I mean, that's not particularly surprising considering that 271 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 2: Steph kles Smith has over one million followers, so it's 272 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 2: interesting to see if that is coming from their own 273 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,959 Speaker 2: accounts or whether that is coming from Kick social media channels. 274 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 275 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, if you look at Stephan Laura's followers, 276 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 2: the majority would be millennials. So it's clear they're trying 277 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 2: to push for this new wave of Kick subscribers with 278 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 2: this style of content. My fear though, is what these 279 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 2: kind of videos do for overall brandings. So while I 280 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 2: can see they're trying to appeal to the gen zs, 281 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 2: it does come across like they're chasing trends just to 282 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 2: get quick likes and views, and you don't get a 283 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 2: real sense of Laura and Steph's personalities, which I think 284 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 2: is a huge selling point for them. It's a hard 285 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 2: one because as a publicist, we do give advice on 286 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 2: social media and I have said to my clients in 287 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 2: the past that you have to have a completely different 288 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 2: content strategy for TikTok as you have to do for 289 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 2: Instagram or Facebook. However, in this case, I don't think 290 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 2: that these videos are meeting up with their overall brand 291 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 2: messaging and brand voice. I actually think it's doing the 292 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 2: more damage than good because, as we touched on, they 293 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 2: think that people think there's a lot of rage baiting 294 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 2: going on, which will lead people to unfollow. And I 295 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 2: understand that you're wanting to reach out to a new demographic, 296 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 2: but I actually don't think that these videos are successful 297 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 2: in doing that because I also think gen zs are 298 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 2: probably getting the ick from them. See I disagree with 299 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,559 Speaker 2: you because I think if you look at a lot 300 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 2: of their new strategies, for instance, TikTok and even their 301 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 2: podcast come down to the fact that Kickers set its 302 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 2: sites on expanding globally, so they currently have a lot 303 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 2: of eyeballs on what they're doing, and there's would be 304 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 2: a lot of interest in how many followers they have 305 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 2: on TikTok, how many podcasts subscribers they have, So I 306 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 2: don't think they really care how they're getting people to 307 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 2: listen to them, whether it be on TikTok or on 308 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 2: their podcasts. I mean, they've copped flak in the past 309 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 2: before for sharing way too much information on their podcast, 310 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 2: but it's clearly working for them because Laura spoke to 311 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 2: The Financial Review last year about how they were testing 312 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 2: the UK market for capital raising, and she was open 313 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 2: about how she and Steph had traveled to the UK 314 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 2: to get a better feel for the market, and interestingly, 315 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 2: she said that their podcast, The Kickpod, had played a 316 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 2: major role in their UK expansion plans. So she said 317 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 2: the plan was to grow their UK listenership substantially, and 318 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 2: they were able to do this by interviewing well known 319 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 2: UK identities who then shared to their followers that they 320 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 2: were on the podcast, and in February they reported that 321 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 2: their subscriptions on their kickapp had gone up by nineteen percent. 322 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 2: So this incidental marketing through the Kickpod has actually resulted 323 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 2: in greater. 324 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: Revenue numbers for them on their app. 325 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 2: One thing I think they do do very well is 326 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 2: the small reels and tiktoks that they produce from clips 327 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 2: of the podcast, because they're edited in such a way 328 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 2: that you're left wanting to find out more and you're 329 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 2: intrigued by the statement or question that they've put out there. 330 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 2: So I actually think that sort of content is great 331 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 2: for their brand, great for their key messaging, and it 332 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 2: positions Steph and Laura as fun businesssiness women, not necessarily 333 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 2: these cringe influences. 334 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: Who are jumping on every track. 335 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 2: Yet. I think it's about having a mix of videos. 336 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 2: So they can have some of these cringe gen zetta 337 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 2: aimed videos, but they need to mix it, as you said, 338 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 2: with other kind of content. I mean a lot of 339 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 2: their businesses revolved around food. They share a lot of recipes, 340 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 2: they sell a lot of food in supermarkets. I would 341 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 2: be pushing for some more recipe videos. They're huge on TikTok. 342 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: At the moment. 343 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 2: I think what's evident is that step and Laura are 344 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 2: smart and they know that they were able to launch 345 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 2: Kickback in twenty fifteen because of how popular they both 346 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 2: were on social media, so obviously TikTok is incredibly important 347 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 2: to them, and they will be looking at their numbers 348 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 2: very closely. I also wonder whether they're gearing up to 349 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 2: sell Kick, because it sounds like step and Laura are 350 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 2: making a conscious effort to step back from being one 351 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 2: hundred percent front facing when it comes to the Kick app. 352 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 2: So even in some of Kicks TikTok videos you'll see 353 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 2: stuff half members who are the focus, and Steph told 354 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 2: Forbes magazine in March this year that they are now 355 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 2: only in about twenty five percent of Kicks current content 356 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 2: on the app and it has not affected the completion 357 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 2: of workouts or engagement. I know when Kayla was gearing 358 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 2: up to sell the Sweat app, which she did subsequently 359 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 2: by back, there was a big push to bring in 360 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 2: other trainers to make it more appealing to potential buyers. 361 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 2: I know there is a view that it's risky to 362 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 2: buy a business that relies so heavily on the sole 363 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 2: branding of the founders. We saw Sam would sell his 364 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 2: app for seventy one million dollars a few years ago, 365 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 2: so they would be huge demand for an app like Kick. 366 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. 367 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 2: Well, Laura told The Financial Review in January of twenty 368 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 2: twenty three that they know in order to build a 369 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 2: sustainable business that could scale globally, they need to diversify 370 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 2: the product away from them. So it's going to be 371 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 2: very interesting to see what the future holds for Kick 372 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 2: over the next couple of years. He kind of pointed 373 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 2: to Prince William and said something like, I hear you 374 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 2: like to do this at karaoke night. Karaoke Boy Taylor 375 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 2: Swift has stun fans on the London leg of her 376 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 2: Ears tour with a surprise performance by her NFL star 377 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 2: boyfriend Travis Kelce. Swifty's are dubbing the singer the Queen 378 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 2: of Revenge, with the move taking place on her ex's 379 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 2: home soil. This moment caught so many Swifties off guard. 380 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 2: No one was expecting Travis to make an appearance on stage, 381 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 2: and he has been known to take on the role 382 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 2: of the supportive boyfriend, being heavily praised for singing and 383 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,439 Speaker 2: dancing in the crowd, which is in direct contrast to 384 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 2: her ex, Joe Olwen, who rarely came to any of 385 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 2: her shows and kept a very low profile. However, I 386 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 2: don't think that anyone was prepared to have him appear 387 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,479 Speaker 2: on stage dressed in a top hat and tails as 388 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 2: a backup danswer, it just. 389 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: Didn't seem real. I saw it. 390 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 2: Kate forward it to me because she has been up 391 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 2: in the early hours of the morning feeding little baby Jack, 392 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,239 Speaker 2: and like, my jaw just hit the floor when I 393 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 2: opened it, I was like, no way. 394 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: For those who haven't seen. 395 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 2: In the clip, Travis joins Taylor on stage for the 396 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 2: transition into her new hit. 397 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: Song I Can Do It with a Broken. 398 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 2: Heart, and this song is all about her being heartbroken 399 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 2: whilst on tour, so this was after her situationship Matt 400 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 2: Healey just ghosted her and the song coincidentally follows The 401 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 2: Smallest Man Who Ever Lived, which is also about Matt Healey. 402 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 2: By the end of the song, Taylor has collapsed on 403 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 2: the floor and her backup dancers have to scoop her 404 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 2: up and carry her onto a couch and they prop 405 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 2: her up like a puppet to get her change into 406 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 2: her next outfit, and she looks really terrified while they 407 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 2: have to encourage her to go on stage. So basically 408 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 2: Travis took on the role of one of these backup 409 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 2: dancers and it's so symbolic to have Travis there because 410 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 2: many fans say that he brought her back to life 411 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 2: and helped mend her broken heart. I saw a meme 412 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 2: on Instagram and it was one of those ones how 413 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 2: it started and how it's going now, and it was 414 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 2: comparing the fact that Travis less than a year ago 415 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 2: was making friendship bracelets to go to Taylor Swifts concert 416 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 2: and now he's literally performing in one of her biggest 417 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 2: songs and he has songs written about him. 418 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just crazy. 419 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 2: Many fans actually thought that he was going up on 420 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 2: stage to propose to her. Sadly this didn't happen, but 421 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 2: many are thinking that this kind of stunt means that 422 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 2: a proposal isn't far away, because I mean, this is 423 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 2: soulmate sort of shit, Like you don't just bring up 424 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 2: some guy you're casually dating and putting on stage for 425 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 2: the rest of the world to see. I think that 426 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 2: an engagement is happening. Maybe it will happen on their 427 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 2: one year anniversary, which I mean, I don't think Travis 428 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 2: is ever going to propose in public or on stage. 429 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: It would be a private affair. 430 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,360 Speaker 2: But it's a huge move, as you said, for Taylor 431 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 2: to have Travis come up on stage. We haven't seen 432 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 2: something like this before with any of her other past boyfriends. 433 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 2: What I really love about this stunt is that it 434 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 2: cements that Taylor is the Queen of revenge. Even though 435 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 2: she is so famous and so popular, she's petty like 436 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 2: the rest of us because she has such a long 437 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 2: history with London. The city has been a huge part 438 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 2: of her life. Not only has she lived there and 439 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 2: recorded music there, but she's had several serious relationships with 440 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 2: London boys. 441 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 1: So that's been Harry Styles, Tom. 442 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 2: Hitdleson, Joe Olwen and also Matt Heay, so it's quite 443 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 2: clear that she loves an English accent. 444 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 1: She loves a London boy. 445 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 2: Yes that song that we probably would never ever hear 446 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 2: live again. On her most recent album, she had a 447 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 2: song seemingly saying goodbye to London, But to me, it 448 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 2: seems like she is trying to reclaim this city and 449 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 2: make new memories there with Travis. And what a master 450 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 2: move is it to break up with Joe Olwen. Then 451 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 2: the next time you're in London you bring your new 452 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 2: golden retriever boyfriend that everyone's obsessed with up on stage 453 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 2: to prove that you can be Taylor Swist's boyfriend and 454 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 2: proudly support her. You might also have something to do 455 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,959 Speaker 2: with the fact that Joe Olwen was recently interviewed by 456 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 2: The Sunday Times and it was the first time he's 457 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 2: actually out since his breakup with Taylor Swift. He didn't 458 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 2: say anything too juicy, but some people have been reading 459 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 2: into the timelines he discussed. Yeah, because people were reading 460 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 2: into it that the breakup happened only a week before 461 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 2: it was made public. So that was around June or 462 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 2: July last year, and Taylor's people were kind of trying 463 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 2: to put it out there saying that the breakup happened 464 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 2: months before, in February. Yeah, so there's some rumors going 465 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 2: around and people are saying, well, maybe there was potentially 466 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 2: a crossover with Matt Healey. 467 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: We don't know. All I know is whatever Taylor says. 468 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 1: I'm taking that on face value. Yeah. 469 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 2: Well, Also, whilst in London, Taylor has gone Instagram official 470 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 2: with Travis. 471 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: I mean, everyone. 472 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 2: Knows that they're official and that they're together, but this 473 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 2: is the first time she has posted about him, and 474 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 2: also the first time that she's posted about a boyfriend 475 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 2: in quite some time. I think the last boyfriend she 476 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 2: posted about was Calvin Harris. 477 00:22:58,280 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: What does she post? 478 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 2: Well, this isn't your regular hard launch because it included 479 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 2: none other than two future Kings of England are the 480 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 2: Princess So Prince William celebrated his forty second birthday by 481 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 2: bringing Charlotte and George to the opening night of. 482 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: Taylor's Eras tour. 483 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 2: So it is quite clear that the Royal family are 484 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 2: big fans of Taylor Swift because on their official ex 485 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 2: account they posted a video of the British Army performing 486 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 2: a rendition of Taylor Swift shake it Off during the 487 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 2: changing of guards at Buckingham Palace. 488 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 1: Let's throw to a clip. 489 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 2: They captured the post Can't stop Won't Stop Grooving? This 490 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,360 Speaker 2: is iconic from their social media team. 491 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, their social media team does a really good job. 492 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: I've often thought, what must it be like to be 493 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 1: their videographer? Be pretty cool gig. 494 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 2: Not so surprisingly, Prince William and the kids didn't sit 495 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 2: in the VIP tent. They had their own private box, 496 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 2: but the IP tent has seen some action over the 497 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 2: past few days, with Sir Paul McCartney being spotted in there, 498 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 2: as well as Tom Cruise Ashen Kutcher, Millericunis, and Hugh Grant. Yeah, 499 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 2: and while Taylor doesn't always have time to do meet 500 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 2: and greets with famous fans before or after the shows, 501 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 2: as Travis Kelsey learned the hard way, she did make 502 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 2: an exception for the royal family, and many fans felt 503 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 2: like they'd stepped into some bizarre alternate universe. When William 504 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 2: posted a photo to his official Instagram account of him 505 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 2: and the kids with Taylor, he captured the photo thank 506 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 2: you Taylor Swift for a great evening, hashtag London ts 507 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 2: the eras tour now. Shortly after, Taylor backed it up, 508 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 2: sharing a selfie with William, Charlotte George and also Travis 509 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 2: Kelcey and wrote happy b day mate. I must preface 510 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 2: that Taylor spelt mate in a very old school millennial 511 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 2: way with an M and eight, and she continued writing 512 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 2: London shows off to a splendid start and did an 513 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 2: English and American flag with a shaking hand emoji after it. Well, 514 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 2: when I saw the photo, at first, I thought, is 515 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,199 Speaker 2: that a wax figure of Taylor Swift like? 516 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 1: It was very confused. 517 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,959 Speaker 2: It was very Madame Tussard's looking in the photo. Taylor 518 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 2: was dressed in her black, sparkly blazer dress that she 519 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 2: wears during her performance of The Man, which is in 520 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 2: contrast to what she usually wears behind the scenes. She's 521 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 2: usually in her sparkly leotard. But I'm guessing that the 522 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 2: royal aides requested a more conservative outfit for her to 523 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 2: be around the royals in It reminds me of that 524 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 2: time the Princess Diana went to a Michael Jackson concert 525 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 2: and he's got a song Dirty Diana, and they specifically 526 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 2: removed it from the concert because they thought, oh, this 527 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 2: might be a bit awkward, And apparently Diana told Michael 528 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 2: Jackson after the show that she was really disappointed because 529 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 2: it was her favorite song. Prince William seemed to steal 530 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 2: the viral moment because he made a bit of a 531 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 2: spectacle of himself during. 532 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: Shake It Off. 533 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 2: A fan panned up to capture William in the stands 534 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 2: and he was doing the daggiest day dance to Shake 535 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 2: it Off. He was dancing like nobody was watching him, 536 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 2: and it looked like he was having the time of 537 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 2: his life. 538 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: I was very happy for him. Yeah, I did enjoy 539 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: seeing that. 540 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 2: I mean, he's been caught out a couple of times 541 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 2: dancing in a daggy fashion. 542 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: It is very Prince William. I just kept thinking the 543 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: whole time. 544 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,239 Speaker 2: I wonder if Harry is really jealous, because in his 545 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 2: tell Or interview with Meghan Markele, he spoke about how 546 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,199 Speaker 2: much he loved the Reputation album, especially Look What You 547 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 2: Made Me Do? And I just thought, oh, I would 548 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 2: have loved to have seen Harry backstage meeting her well. 549 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 2: Some fans have speculated that Taylor and William's posts were 550 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 2: throwing shade at Prince Harry and Meghan Markle. So Meghan 551 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 2: has previously attended one of Taylor's LA shows, but she 552 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 2: didn't appear to be sitting in the VIP section and 553 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 2: there were no photos of her with Taylor after the performance. Now. 554 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 2: Taylor also allegedly declined to appear on Meghan's Archetypes podcast, 555 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 2: which led many to believe that she was taking sides 556 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 2: with the Royal family. I don't even think there's been 557 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,199 Speaker 2: one podcast that Taylor Swift's been oh no, but I 558 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 2: think it's clear that Taylor would want to keep the 559 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 2: British Royal family happy. One Royal fan wrote on x 560 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 2: oh Man the shade to not only Meghan and Harry, 561 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 2: but also her ex London Boy Bravo, Taylor Swift and 562 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 2: Prince William, whilst another said you never saw Harry and 563 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 2: Meghan get that close to Taylor Swift. 564 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: Thank you for choosing the right side, Taylor. 565 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 2: This is such a huge win for the royal family 566 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 2: because last year it was widely publicized that King Charles 567 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 2: struggled to get any homegrown acts to perform at the concert, 568 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 2: so he had reached out to Harry Styles and Dale, 569 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 2: Robbie Williams, Elton John and even the Spy Skirls and 570 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 2: they all reportedly refuse to be part of the ceremony. 571 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 2: So what you're saying is that when we finally have 572 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 2: a King William, there's going to be a pretty good concert. 573 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: Taylor Stiff would definitely be in attendance. I wonder if. 574 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 2: This is a new pr strategy from Prince William's team, 575 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 2: because since Kate Middleton made her first public appearance last 576 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 2: week amid her cancer battle, they appear to be sharing 577 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 2: more more behind the scenes styff photos which make the 578 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 2: family look more relatable and normal. So on the couple's 579 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 2: official Instagram account, they shared a very cute photo of 580 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 2: William and the kids at the beach and William and 581 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 2: the kids mid air jumping over sand dunes. I mean 582 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 2: you even commented to me saying, I can't believe they're 583 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 2: allowed to share this photo. 584 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was really surprised when I saw it. I 585 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: just kept thinking where did they land? Like on the sand? 586 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,360 Speaker 1: Was that a heavy fall? I suppose because Kate is now. 587 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 2: The official photographer for them, and it just makes him 588 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 2: look like a fun, hands on dad. I think it's 589 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 2: also been very clever because everyone is forgetting the narrative 590 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 2: that Prince Harry has built on William being this aggressive guy. 591 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: Who had a punch up with him. He's a Taylor Swift. 592 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just loving daggy dad that's dancing in the crowd, 593 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 2: that loves jumping on sand dunes with his kids. That 594 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 2: is the recent pr push with Prince William, and with 595 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 2: Taylor Swift now seen to be endorsing him, it is 596 00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 2: a major win for the British royal family. 597 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: Well, I think that's all we've got time for today. 598 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to another episode of Outspoken. 599 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 2: If you did enjoy the show and you haven't left 600 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 2: a review already. 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