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Speaker 1: How did that shape you? Yeah? Today, I'm going to

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Speaker 5: Now before we get right through it.

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Speaker 1: Also tell us what is your name? Where you're from me?

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Speaker 1: What do you do for lim? All right? Oh, my

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Speaker 1: five years. I was at the West Targets before that

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Speaker 1: So now that I'm on the appreciate you and we.

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Speaker 4: Are barely seeing you on any podcasts that we're actually

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Speaker 4: grateful that you, you know, you know, pull time away

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Speaker 4: And what I've noticed about you is that you're very

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Speaker 1: being a man. Talk to you about that. Yeah, there's

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00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,520
Speaker 1: been suce at the club where like Gordy will be like, oh, man,

431
00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,040
Speaker 1: what should I do? You know whatever? If you ask

432
00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 1: my opinion, I said, don't go hit him up? Yeah

433
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,960
Speaker 1: you sure? I was like, Goji, Yeah, a man having

434
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,879
Speaker 1: hard convos And that's why I respect Cordy because like

435
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 1: he's on that journey of being a real solitude. Yeah,

436
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,479
Speaker 1: and here's a solitude that's mad you looked after him.

437
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:20,920
Speaker 1: But everyone needs a friend, lock Josh.

438
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,199
Speaker 4: But speaking of voices, man, I don't know if you

439
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 4: want to speak about it or not. I was gonna

440
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 4: ask you about one of the biggest controversial things that

441
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,679
Speaker 4: happen in the end rel the rainbow jerseys in twenty

442
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 4: twenty two.

443
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure.

444
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,359
Speaker 4: You're one of the first man to stand up and

445
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:39,400
Speaker 4: speak against it.

446
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:41,919
Speaker 1: Just for the audience that don't know, can you tell

447
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,679
Speaker 1: us what happened? Yeah, So I found out that in

448
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 1: one of the coming games they want us to wear

449
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:48,639
Speaker 1: the prior jersey.

450
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, on our rugby league jersey and what was that?

451
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 2: Just Rainbow's on the jersey. The whole jersey was basically rainbow.

452
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So then like as soon as I found out,

453
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I'm definitely not playing. And then

454
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,159
Speaker 1: like I talked to a couple of the boys and

455
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 1: then I was like, oh, boys, just lean you know

456
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 1: they want us to wear that that that prior jersey,

457
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,119
Speaker 1: And I said, like, it's up to you. I'm not

458
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 1: going to push you because I know, like, as one

459
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,439
Speaker 1: of the older guys, I don't want them to do it.

460
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 1: Just because I was doing it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, everyone

461
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 1: we feel like, no I can't do it. Yeah that

462
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,479
Speaker 1: might be like PROTI hat on me, like you're think

463
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 1: I'm my folders, So like I made sure like early

464
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 1: on I miss I missed them. And I was like, boys,

465
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 1: this is up to you and God and your conviction,

466
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 1: so make your own decision, like if you're going to

467
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,199
Speaker 1: plan it or good, I'm not going to hate on you, like,

468
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 1: but if you don't want to me personally, I'm not

469
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,199
Speaker 1: going to play. And then Christian to a plot who

470
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,919
Speaker 1: said dragons now straight off the bat, he was like,

471
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 1: oh my man, my mind's made up too. I'm definitely

472
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 1: not going to play. And then the club gave us

473
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 1: like they said, oh, get back to us in twenty

474
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 1: four hours, and then by like five minutes later, I

475
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,360
Speaker 1: was like, no, we're not playing, so you already addressed

476
00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,639
Speaker 1: it to the NRL. And then they the club the

477
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 1: club meeting, okay, yeah, yeah, the boys they were kind

478
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 1: of uncomfortable with playing and then they're like, oh, I

479
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,439
Speaker 1: had to talk to us about all of it, and

480
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, we want to give you guys twenty

481
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,360
Speaker 1: four hours to rethink about it, and by the time

482
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:19,160
Speaker 1: I walked out, well like and then, but I'll tell

483
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 1: you I really want to mention one person that I

484
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,719
Speaker 1: really really respected this too. Do you know Ray Vayinger

485
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: at all? Yeah? Yeah, so he was. He was playing

486
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 1: reserve grade at the time. Yeah, and he hadn't yet

487
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 1: played the NRAL. Really good player, yeah, really good player.

488
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 1: When all of us stepped out, he got called in

489
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: the head coach called him and goes, oh, look, I

490
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: select did you just make it in our our debut?

491
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 1: Obviously all these boys are not going to play because

492
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 1: of the pri jersey. And then man, he still stood

493
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 1: ten ten toes down and I was like, oh, I

494
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 1: can't wear that jersey either. He turned down his debut.

495
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 1: Well yeah, so Ray man so much respect, so much

496
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,719
Speaker 1: he turned down his dream that he left New Zealand

497
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 1: for that, He left us family, for his faith. So man, Ray,

498
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: he's not much people talked about him throughout this, but

499
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 1: all the respect in the world for shout out to Ray.

500
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 2: That's one of those undercover heroes no one ever like

501
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 2: some heroes that no one talked about.

502
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they were calling us like the Manly seven

503
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, I don't want to say that yeah,

504
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 1: but yeah, it was a controversial time. What in particular

505
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 1: do just want to know, I don't mind talking about it,

506
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 1: I said, I don't even remember hearing that about it. Roughly,

507
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 1: I'm not some dangerous consa bro.

508
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 2: So obviously it's it's a mix in the team. There's

509
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 2: Islanders and there's there's Aussies, and uh, there's a mix.

510
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 2: I'm one hundred percent sure not everyone was happy with

511
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 2: this decision. Let's talk about the internal issues that because

512
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 2: I know, like on the outside, you've made the decision,

513
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 2: but then of course in the shed that there would

514
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 2: have been internal issues between the boys, tearing the team apart.

515
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 1: Talk to us about that, yeah, bro. So it's very

516
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: different culturally. So I understand a little bit more now

517
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: and I actually did at the time too. So a

518
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: lot of those Australian boys their be all and in

519
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 1: all the top of their their god as rugby league.

520
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: So when all of us turned out back on that

521
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 1: game and on them, they've seen that. They what they

522
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 1: said was like, man, you're you're dogging us, You're turning

523
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: your back on us.

524
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 2: Yea.

525
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 1: So they were hating on us hard out There was

526
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 1: quite a few of them that were hating on us

527
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: hard out.

528
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 4: Well, so it's just because of support for the pride

529
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 4: that nation or because of how much they love and

530
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 4: are real hmmm, but I think.

531
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: It was more that though now it was more that

532
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,400
Speaker 1: because like in our role was everything to them. Yeah,

533
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 1: the teams every that's their god. So when we put

534
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: something before that, they can't really understand it. Do you

535
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: get what I mean? Yeah? And then so there was

536
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: a lot of bad feelings man, and like I won't

537
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: go to name any names because that's like not the

538
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: right thing to do, but tell us after the PODCA

539
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: but yeah, there was heaps of like, there was heaps

540
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: of division after that. Prior Jersey. I don't know if

541
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: you know, we lost every single game for the rest

542
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: of the year. Well I think, yes, yes, yes, I

543
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: remember this. I remember this. It might have been nine

544
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 1: games or something. Yeah.

545
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, And they actually made an article saying like the

546
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 2: downfall of Many. I remember seeing this article and it

547
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 2: was you guys were inside lad.

548
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember. I was telling you ages.

549
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 2: Ago over the phone that I was like, Bro, the

550
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 2: craziest thing just happened in NRL, because this was I

551
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 2: think the most controversial thing that I saw. I've never

552
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 2: seen this happen like like something like this, because I

553
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 2: actually thought, did you see what happened with Israel fell?

554
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: Yeah? Ages ago?

555
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then when this happened, I was like, bro,

556
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 2: it's happening again.

557
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 1: This is crazy. So I was prepared for that. Yeah,

558
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: Like if they were going to take away my NRL career,

559
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: then I was prepared for that. Like I was saying,

560
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: like inn RL not everything, Like if I say like

561
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: I'll take a bullet for Christ then and then they

562
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 1: put a better pressure on me and then I fold

563
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: fold like for me, like I'm like, what a cold?

564
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: What kind of man? Am I? I can't look at myself

565
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: in the mirror, Like I can't let my sons look

566
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: up to me and be like, hey, you're a folder,

567
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: or my older brothers will be like, gee, you're a folder. Yeah.

568
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: So like it's a it's a matter of convictionery and

569
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: that like if that other Bible verse? Now am I

570
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: trying to please Man or God? Like it was simple

571
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: like I'll be honest with you. Like my teammates and

572
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: the Alphabet community and the left, they wanted me to

573
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: get out and say, oh, this was such a hard

574
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: decision for me to make. I'm so sorry, but I'm

575
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: not I'm not sorry, Like it wasn't a hard decision

576
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: to make, like I knew in my heart, like that's

577
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: the right thing to do.

578
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 4: Like that's say, there would have been a lot of

579
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 4: whispers in behind your years, you know, and like people

580
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 4: trying to find different ways to rectify it, because.

581
00:27:59,000 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: It was a big thing.

582
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,959
Speaker 2: I honestly think now that like that, Like would it

583
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 2: be fair to say that the club didn't fully recover

584
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 2: since that happened.

585
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't want to. I don't want to speak

586
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: badly of the club because like I'm still a big

587
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: part of it, but a lot of the administration has

588
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: changed since then. Some of the people that put out

589
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: the jersey really didn't realize, like realize how big an

590
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: issue was. And they were real apologetic, like I said,

591
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 1: man like culturally and like religiously, they just didn't understand. Yeah,

592
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 1: they didn't understand how big an issue it was for us.

593
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 2: Which might have not been intentional a like they might

594
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 2: have not been like they might have not had that

595
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 2: intention to offend like or you know, disrespect you know,

596
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 2: anyone's Christians faith.

597
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: Maybe they just a lot of them, for sure, they

598
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: didn't realize. They just thought, oh, let's like the way

599
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: I see, Oh, let's kiss up to the LGB community

600
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: and do around for them and do a rambow jersey.

601
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: Yeah I didn't know that, like, oh, you doing that

602
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: and asking us to promote it as going against everything

603
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: we even But now you look, boys, now you look

604
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: all those people that were hating on us. Heaps of

605
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: them don't like these guys saying the girls going into

606
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: little girls exactly, and they don't like the guys are

607
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: crossing sex and competing against exactly sport or Hello, that's

608
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: what we were standing for all the way back, but

609
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: now it's gone so fun.

610
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 2: Now yeah it's like bro, like they've already infiltrated into

611
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 2: our community now yeah, but that's what we were standing

612
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 2: for back then, guys.

613
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: Hello, yeah, hey, you know. But now I think like, now,

614
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: if you were to us keeps to the guys that

615
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: were abusing us, they might be a bit like, oh yeah,

616
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: now we see it, man, where you thought we were

617
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: dumb forbes, like they were just dumb fob saying oh

618
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: now we can't do that, we're hermophobosus and that. But

619
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: a lot of us actually were educated on everything that

620
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: comes from that represented by that flag. You know what,

621
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: And we're not out here saying we're South righteous, like

622
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,479
Speaker 1: we're not all together and we're hating on those people

623
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: because I can have contention with someone what they believe in,

624
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: their worldview, their way of life without hating on the person. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

625
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: whereas they try to say, as soon as you speak

626
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: up and take a stand, oh use the haters use

627
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: the biggest use homophobes yourself. Right now, I'm not going

628
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: to feel bad. I'm not going to get guest to

629
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: not speaking up and then trying to play those games

630
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: with me. Now on a soldier man for men like you. Man,

631
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: it's I think you. Men like you and a lot.

632
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 4: Of a lot of other boys that were hitting the

633
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 4: media around that time, has become the change in society

634
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 4: right now, we can slowly see it like changing to

635
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 4: you know people, people.

636
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: Are able to rep their faith and everything. Man, say

637
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: good on you. I'm very proud of you. And and

638
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: what's that guy his name again? Ray Winger Man? Such

639
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: a powerful that's crazy and he what's he doing doing? Yew?

640
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 2: Is he stillill playing for the bir still playing for it?

641
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: That's mad, but he's ruthless too. He's a good player

642
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 2: man as much time suspended as he does. I won't

643
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 2: know what his parents would have thought, because I know

644
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 2: that it's a big thing when you debut, especially in

645
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 2: the islander community.

646
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: Like do you reckon?

647
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 2: They would have been proud that he he turned it down,

648
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 2: like when it would have been like a hot cold

649
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 2: message like hey, I just got a call for NRL, but.

650
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: I'm not going because Jerseys one day. I've never asked

651
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: him crazy question. Next time I catch on him, I

652
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: do want to know. And my thinking is his parents

653
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,239
Speaker 1: would have been like, no, you've done the right thing.

654
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: That's what I would do. It was one of my sons.

655
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: I was like, no, but I stand Tin's like that.

656
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 2: Yeah the money, money is good, but man like the faith.

657
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 2: I know the parents probably like, yeah, good work and

658
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 2: stomp the tape for her speaking.

659
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: Of that singing.

660
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 5: Seeing as is this situation occurred, right, and this was

661
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 5: very black and white for you. Obviously you're very aggressive

662
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 5: and you stand on ten to's. But did this impact

663
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 5: anyone that you were very close with, like family or

664
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 5: the partner at the time.

665
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: Many? No, no one really, no one really because like

666
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: the people that really know me, as I said before,

667
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: know that like I can have contention with the things

668
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: you believe in, I can disagree with you on things,

669
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: on your worldviews, on the way you want to live

670
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: your life, but I can also like you and respect

671
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: you at the same time. So like most of the

672
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,959
Speaker 1: people that are close to me now because they actually

673
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: know what I'm about. I did actually lose one really

674
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: close friend. I did lose one really really close friend

675
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: who helped me out during my junior ranks. He was

676
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: a bit of a mentor for me. I think, look,

677
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: I don't want to paul his business out there, but

678
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: he was really not happy with the stance that we

679
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: made because it was maybe close to home with some

680
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: of the family that he has. Ye, yeah, I lost him,

681
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: which was that was close to him, that one a

682
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: little bit. But also I understand too, Yeah, I understand,

683
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: and it's okay, And I understand that it's hard for

684
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: them to underst Yeah, what we're standing for. Well, that's

685
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: that's a very truly right there.

686
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 2: That's so maturity to it, because you know a lot

687
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: of people could be like pretty dirty about it in

688
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 2: this day and age.

689
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: When you get betrayed.

690
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 2: It's it's not a nice feeling, especially as a grown man,

691
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: is if you've looked after someone you expect you know,

692
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 2: the same back.

693
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: And like, I think that was a very very mature

694
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: response that you had. But at the same time, like

695
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: I wasn't like real mature through it all. Like I

696
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: don't want to like act like because I'm on this

697
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: podcast that like I'm the super spiritual guys that's got

698
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: it all together. Like I'll always say that I don't,

699
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: but I'm finding a good fight for my faith. Thank

700
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: you men. But like, man, when I was getting all

701
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: these abusive messages or people like commenting on photos of

702
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: my kids and stuff like that, what I'm talking thousands,

703
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: I'm talking what I There was times where I wanted

704
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: to jump on and be like, bro, name the boxing.

705
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 2: Club, that's us. You go, glove up, let's go like,

706
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,239
Speaker 2: don't talk about my kids. Yahd ya da.

707
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: But I would lose my head so often. Yeah, I

708
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: was jumping off social media and stuff like when they

709
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: start talking about my kids or or this and that,

710
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, we're going down like a whole other road. Now. Yeah,

711
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: we got we got slammed. Do you remember we were

712
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: getting slam Yeah, yeah, all over Facebook.

713
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 2: I remember going through the comments and I could keep

714
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 2: scrolling ducks. And the thing is when they when they

715
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: got hard. The Aneral fans are pretty ruthless, pretty relentless,

716
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: like they don't hold back, and they they really make

717
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 2: it personal. Like see how that was a stand for

718
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 2: your religious faith. They didn't say, oh yeah, look at

719
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: the Christians. They said look at you like they made

720
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 2: personal bro.

721
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: Like commenting on photos of my kids saying like I

722
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: hope they grow up to be like gay, this and that.

723
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: After a little while, I jumped off social media and

724
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: you'll see, like my little brother said for jumping on

725
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: post and one that the boxes in New Zealand, like

726
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,439
Speaker 1: if you see like people from like around the area

727
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: of New Zealand like commenting this and that, he was

728
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: like missing them. Let's let's let's go to my boxing club.

729
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: Boxing club. I had, I had my soldiers on the

730
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: on the social media platform like, oh, if you're unhappy,

731
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: let's run it. But they never would.

732
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 4: They never Yeah, yeah, thank god, so new to yous

733
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 4: all because I personally like have my kids on my

734
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 4: social media as well. Yeah, but man, I wouldn't know

735
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 4: what to do. If people were commenting on my kids,

736
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 4: I don't know how I'll be able to handle to reckon.

737
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: You can handle if they're like hammering you a little

738
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: bit no traumas, but about your kids it's different. Ye

739
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: old Yeah, I feel like I.

740
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 4: Would never be the same again because I think I

741
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 4: think that's the only thing that's keeping me together right

742
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 4: now with my kids and like you know, my wife Sai. Yeah,

743
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 4: big house off to you, man, because I don't understand

744
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 4: how you're able to hold yourself.

745
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: You know, I can imagine you would have been fighting demons,

746
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: but that's exactly hard put today and then like I'd

747
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: be getting irritated as and then I'll be like, you

748
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: know what I need to jump off socials? Yeah, boy's

749
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: can I ask you? Because I've always followed your Guys podcast,

750
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: but because I don't know he's like personally except for

751
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: like the little chit chats we've had. Yeah, like how

752
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: did you guys, Like what was the turning point? Like

753
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: you must have all had a different individual turning point

754
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: because man, you're four three sixty day. Yeah, gee, I

755
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: love what you's doing. I don't know if he was realized, like, yeah,

756
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: how many like young pollies, young kids like look at

757
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: you and are like, man, they're making changes because of you.

758
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: So I know, you guys are showing me lots of

759
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: love and respect for the things I've done. But man,

760
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: use a front lining it now, like I respect you guys.

761
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: He's shuttles, bro. Can you guys tell us a little

762
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: bit like what because I want to know for me

763
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: because I'm a big fan of you. Yeah, yeah, what

764
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: was the turning point?

765
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 5: There's a lot of answers to this, but I think

766
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 5: the main one is we've we've not a lot of

767
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 5: people knew that we already like drastically changed and while

768
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 5: the music was still dropping. And then when William got

769
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 5: locked up, that's kind of when, like you know, I

770
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 5: think we just came out and we just started clearing

771
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 5: up the space.

772
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I've got to give yeah, and I've got

773
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 4: to give glory back to God as well. Like a

774
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 4: lot of people didn't know, but we we had a

775
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 4: strong faith even throughout my throughout my jail, I used

776
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 4: to talk to Jesus every day, like you know, and

777
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 4: this is something people wouldn't known about. I still I

778
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 4: was still getting involved in fights and a lot of

779
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 4: that like, just like yourself, I wasn't a perfect Christian,

780
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,959
Speaker 4: and but I always knew, especially coming out and seeing

781
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 4: everything in social media, I'm seeing how the world is changing.

782
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 4: I knew deep down that there was a bigger fight

783
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 4: to fight rather than ops, rather than like any of

784
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 4: the people that you're beefing with from the streets, and

785
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 4: that ultimately was the fight that I wanted to pursue.

786
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 4: I wanted to fight the good fighting I was. I

787
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 4: was done with fighting people on the streets and they

788
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 4: wanted to fight demons this time. You know, that was

789
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 4: bigger for me, and that motivated me to you know,

790
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 4: to change my perspective and everything for me personally. But

791
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 4: it was a journey, like I was, I was slowly changing.

792
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 4: And I guess one thing that really sparked my mind

793
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 4: is when because a lot of young is still looked

794
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 4: up to us, a lot of them to come and

795
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 4: ask us questions. Yeah, a lot of them used to

796
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,919
Speaker 4: ask us if we want them to do jobs for us.

797
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 4: And we were stone cold straight with these guys telling

798
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 4: them not to do it all.

799
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: The time, every single time when kids came up to us,

800
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 2: And I'll be honest, it was like when we did it.

801
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 2: I explained the reason why I started it was because

802
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 2: of my mate that passed away. But then we got

803
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 2: carried away, and then as you do, you just feel

804
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 2: like for a long time we were kind of forcing

805
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 2: it because we all of a sudden became this stature

806
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: that everyone depended on in the area, and then we couldn't.

807
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: No one else.

808
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 2: Wanted to step up to the place, so we just

809
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 2: had to run with it. Otherwise no one is representing

810
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 2: the area. And then slowly, slowly, other artists will come

811
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,720
Speaker 2: up in the area, and then I just we felt

812
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 2: in our heart, but especially us as brothers, like how

813
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 2: many times are we going to get one of us

814
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 2: will get locked up and we're going to say free

815
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 2: the brother, Like how many times can we do this

816
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 2: before we can actually start freeing each other for each other?

817
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 5: You know it it was an unseen burden that we

818
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 5: felt like we needed to carry for the area. And

819
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 5: we've seen and we're seeing that as we were so

820
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 5: so deep into it, you know, we just we're kind

821
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 5: of like never seen the light at the end of

822
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 5: the tunnel. We're just like we all looked at each other,

823
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 5: you know, like, fuck, this is going.

824
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: So saying even the whole time you're doing it, that

825
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: like little God whispering your voice, He's always had a day.

826
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 1: I'll be honest.

827
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 2: I feel like for some people that are anointed by God,

828
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 2: even when you're trying your hardest to get away, he

829
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 2: won't let you get away. You're trying to get yourself

830
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,399
Speaker 2: into a battlefield, he will make sure you don't die.

831
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 2: He will make sure things will miss you. Bullets will

832
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 2: miss you, the devil's plots will always miss you because

833
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 2: God knows, and he will make sure that nothing happens

834
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 2: to you because He already has something for you. But

835
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 2: we couldn't see it. We couldn't see it at that time.

836
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 2: And it's amazing. It's amazing you said that.

837
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 4: I always pictured God or someone that's someone that's waiting

838
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 4: at the door. Yeah, And I feel like, once you

839
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 4: open that door, you can be the worst person, worst Christian,

840
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 4: you can go for your hard time. But once you

841
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 4: open that door and God's in your life, I feel

842
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 4: like you're always going to hear those whispers in the

843
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 4: back of your ear because that's the that's the angels,

844
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 4: and that's Jesus waiting for you to like do a

845
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 4: one Ady. I remember I remember hearing a verse where

846
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 4: he said that for every time someone repenting me comes like.

847
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 1: A truth follow the follow of Christ.

848
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,479
Speaker 4: Angels in heaven, they rejoice and like, you know something,

849
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 4: to be honest, sometimes I hear that in the back

850
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 4: of my head, like, you know, I want to I

851
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 4: want to feel the angels rejoicing in heaven, like looking

852
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 4: down at me saying that's Mallie.

853
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: That's Mallie, that's that's our boy, you know what I mean.

854
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 4: And that like I always I always feel that. Sometimes

855
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 4: I can I can hear the angels rejoicing every time,

856
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 4: like a lot of us make a stance and decide

857
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 4: to fight the good fight, like yourself.

858
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,479
Speaker 1: So much people just leaning on your so like let's

859
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: just keep let's just keep a roll and keep the

860
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,439
Speaker 1: show going, and keep the show going.

861
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 2: And I guess you know what's mad door. I think

862
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 2: you're the first one that actually asked us back, like how.

863
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: Have we been asked for? Might be lying? Though they

864
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,240
Speaker 1: quote me on that man Mason did. Mason.

865
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 2: Mason was the only other person that asked, like what

866
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 2: made us change? And sometimes it's like it picks our

867
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 2: brain because we look at each other and it's almost

868
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 2: like it happened so natural, as if this was meant

869
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 2: to happen for sure. But I do remember when we

870
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 2: were first our first podcast session together, when we were

871
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 2: doing it, we kind of like we looked at each

872
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 2: other and we were like, man, docs, I know how

873
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 2: this is going to turn out the world, but I

874
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 2: love your lad. Whatever happens, happens. You know this is

875
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 2: this is what we're gonna do from now. And then

876
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 2: we just kind of made that decision. We thought that

877
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 2: we were it was going to flop, people will make

878
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 2: fun of us, but we were already we made up.

879
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 2: We decided this is it. We're gonna We're gonna leave

880
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 2: behind the blueprint for the other young Islanders that are coming.

881
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: Was there one of these, like when you guys were

882
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: still in the street, was there one of these that

883
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: was like got their first and was like to the

884
00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 1: other two, bo let's go, let's change. Or it just

885
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: happened to be that God had like made it all

886
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 1: happen for you know.

887
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 2: What's crazy the exact way you said it individually, because

888
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 2: at that the time when we started the podcast, we

889
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: couldn't associate. We had Na's me and me and Malick

890
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: had non association. So yeah, when you go back to

891
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 2: the first episodes, it was them tous us and then

892
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 2: it was me and him.

893
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, so we couldn't even talk on the phone.

894
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 2: We were Cowie's for the firearm charges, so we couldn't

895
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 2: even speak to each other. But it's kind of like,

896
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 2: because we're so close as brothers telepathically, I don't know,

897
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 2: we just is that a word spelch it.

898
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: Teleopathically?

899
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 2: We just kind of like it's like we kind of

900
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 2: felt each other that like, because I feel like most

901
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 2: of the reason why we kept going was for each other,

902
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 2: not more so for the area, but we didn't want

903
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 2: to let each other down.

904
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: That'd be more than anything, especially anything.

905
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 2: And we've we've had like moments where we've had like

906
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 2: moments where we'll have brawls together where we will be outnumbered,

907
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 2: but it would just be three of us. I don't

908
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: want to get too much into the street braws and that,

909
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 2: but a lot of situations would happen that would bond

910
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 2: us where we couldn't care less what the area thinks

911
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 2: or what the street thinks. So as long as I'm

912
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 2: taking care of my brother, Oh you know, as long

913
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 2: as I'm looking after my brother and I've got his approval, man,

914
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 2: I don't give a rip what anyone else thinks.

915
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: You know, bro, the fire and the fairnace like that

916
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: does bring you closer together and someone stood next to you,

917
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: no matter like what you're up against. Yeah, example, man,

918
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 1: it brings you closer together. Two me and my two

919
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: older brothers super close. And then like our like four

920
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: five best friends or whatever we're like or twenty years deep,

921
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: so far through like just about everything together. And so

922
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: I know, like, no matter how it would be pressed,

923
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: if I say, my friend Nate or my friend Kenny's

924
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:59,479
Speaker 1: next to me, I'm good will right, like similar twelve

925
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: years are saying.

926
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 2: There's something special about a brotherhood. I don't know what,

927
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,919
Speaker 2: if there's a verse or if there's something, but there's

928
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: there's something.

929
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: There's a verse Brothers for Time of Adversity. Yeah, yeah,

930
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: probably seventeen seventeen. Oh yeah, freak, so yeah, is that

931
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 1: what it is? Yeah?

932
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably seventeen seventeen. I remember because that was the

933
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 2: that was the verse that of our first podcast segment, remember, yeah,

934
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 2: And we pretty much put that verse to tie us

935
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 2: even though we couldn't speak to each other. We had

936
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 2: that verse at the end of our show just to

937
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 2: show that we were tied together even though we couldn't

938
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 2: speak together. Yeah, would you say that like with your

939
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 2: brothers and that coming from New Zealand, you didn't mention

940
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 2: something interesting because you've got a contract. You came to Australia. Now,

941
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 2: we've had a lot of New Zealander mates that come

942
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,240
Speaker 2: to Australia, but they have different ideas. They get mangled

943
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 2: in the streets five oh once get sent back.

944
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: Yeah.

945
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, So did you ever did you ever get tempted

946
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 2: to like get it, get into the street business when

947
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:02,399
Speaker 2: you first came over.

948
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: Honestly, Nah, not at all. Like I was telling you

949
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: about I had. I had a different relationship with rugby League.

950
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: It was it was all in, all my eggs in

951
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: this bucket basket because I needed to crack it for

952
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: my family. So like man, it was training, it was sacrificed.

953
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: It was like, I'm not going to leave my family

954
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: and then start mucking around. Oh, I can't go back home,

955
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: Like I told myself, I cannot go back home not

956
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: being a role player. So like, nah, like to be

957
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 1: honest that I was telling the boys before like I

958
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: never really had like mingled around with anyone gangsters or

959
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: ogs or anything like that. It was just like for me,

960
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: I come for I was on a mission and I

961
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: was just real tunnel focus for the mission.

962
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 4: And you also got a bit of a boxing boxing

963
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 4: history as Yeah, yeah us a that I've seen.

964
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: You were going to quite Paul Gallon? Oh what no, bro,

965
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: I got COVID a little while out before that. Yeah,

966
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: why Paul gall was so scared, I faire so scared.

967
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: But then a full training came from him in my

968
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: off season and there is Yeah. So I come from

969
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: like a bit of a boxing family and my two

970
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: older brothers. Yeah, my younger brother, my little sister's husband,

971
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: they or box. We grew up in a boxing club. No.

972
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 1: So for me, I just if I was going to

973
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: jump back in the ring, like I wanted to back

974
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: myself to rest someone really good and not someone that

975
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,439
Speaker 1: like I know, I can like easily run over. Yeah.

976
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: I thought he would be a hard fight, but I

977
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 1: was pretty confident I'll beat him. Yeah, you're still pretty

978
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: confident I'll beat him now, I haven't been active in

979
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: like boxing and ages now for the injuries, so people. Yeah,

980
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: probably just think I'm a mad myth. So that's all right,

981
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 1: I don't really care. Yeah, but no, I love it.

982
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: And but more wrestling is my thing now yeah, just

983
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: wrestling jus and wrestling and competing.

984
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know what's mad with with jiu jitsu

985
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 2: and wrestling. I actually want to ask you something because

986
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 2: I spoke about this log and everyone was fighting in

987
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 2: the comments. What really matters in a street confrontation? Like

988
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 2: I've heard a lot of people say kickboxing, some people

989
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 2: say jiu jitsu. What do you think being someone that's

990
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 2: like an expert on all these things, what do you reckon?

991
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: Oh? Definitely not experts all these things? Many white belt

992
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: in jiu jitsu too, But oh gosh, so like you

993
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: guys would know like being in like if you sippen

994
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: into like which you have like a few like street

995
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: pools or whatever. It depends because like you can't try

996
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 1: and tackle someone to the ground in jiu jitsu if

997
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: there's a couple of dudes, that's right, And like boxing

998
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: is important. I feel like boxing is really important? Is

999
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: that the main one? You would say? Look, I don't

1000
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: want to advocate for violence, but like if you can

1001
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: box and you're gonna have altercation, you hit first and

1002
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: make it count. I don't know, maybe cut it out.

1003
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 1: Maybe cut Like.

1004
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 5: Michael Jane White actually said it in a in a

1005
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 5: and he's he's like a pretty much professional in all areas, yeah,

1006
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 5: saying that boxing, Oh he reckons. In his opinion, the

1007
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 5: boxing is probably the most important, because he was saying

1008
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 5: something about the positioning in the street face to face confrontation.

1009
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 5: It's just you first get hit and it's usually with

1010
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 5: the feast. So he was saying, like, boxing is probably

1011
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 5: the most important.

1012
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: I think so maybe yeah, and just having a win.

1013
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,959
Speaker 1: I say, like it's like if you can like usually

1014
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: your spider SNS goes off if something something's about to

1015
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: pop off, Like you don't want to be this close

1016
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: to someone. Yeah, if you guys are having words, but

1017
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: if they're too fast, if they hit you, if you're

1018
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: too close, they hit you. Yeah, and I'm lucky heah Yeah,

1019
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: just all that stuff now, I don't know, Like jiu

1020
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: JITs is hard to because if you've just learned jiu

1021
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: jitsu and you're trying to go for locks and that

1022
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: they can hit you on the ground, right, Yeah, Like

1023
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: there's no striking in jiu jitsu, but also like if

1024
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:47,760
Speaker 1: you're stuck in a room and I got to shoot

1025
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: you and takes you to the ground, and he's really

1026
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 1: good at jiu jitsu, I'm broken and taking back home

1027
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: for lunch. Yeah, so a little bit of everything. But

1028
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: maybe for stand up boxing is pretty important. A little

1029
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: bit of everything. Though maybe a that's interesting.

1030
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 5: I would argue that it's probably it's more important as

1031
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 5: a man's just to be capable.

1032
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 2: Of doing this, yeah, not even not even advocating violence, Yeah,

1033
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 2: to be capable. To me, I feel like every man

1034
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 2: should have the basic capability of defending your family against anything,

1035
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Obviously we're not advocating for violence,

1036
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 2: but more and more deadly. I feel like a lot

1037
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 2: of the young Islanders are starting to get that it's

1038
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:32,720
Speaker 2: starting to get easier to get.

1039
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: Your hands on on things, you know.

1040
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 2: And I feel like, even though, even though talking about

1041
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 2: boxing may come off as like a bit of arrogance,

1042
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 2: but I think we need to have more conversations around

1043
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 2: younger lads about boxing, jiu jitsu, wrestling. These are the

1044
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 2: things you want to get your young lads into because

1045
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 2: if you don't.

1046
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: They're going to find other ways to get busy, bro,

1047
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: I can't agree with you more. Have you heard the

1048
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,240
Speaker 1: saying like you'd rather you're rather warrior in the garden?

1049
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: God no, no wool. Yeah, like you were saying, but

1050
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: it's important to be dangerous. You want to have the

1051
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: ability to be dangerous, Yeah, because you know why what

1052
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: similar to what you're saying, it's like a lot of

1053
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: like these these guys that are walking around, they're they're

1054
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: all bluff and they're not actually securing themselves. They don't

1055
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: know that they can look after themselves. They don't know

1056
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: that they got hands that they can wrestle. So like

1057
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: they walk around off their chest up, they walk around

1058
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 1: off our eye problem. They're actually insecure, and so they're

1059
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 1: getting into these dramas because they've always got to have

1060
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: this facade and this mask. But like, if you can

1061
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 1: look after yourself, if you're confident in who you are,

1062
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 1: you're a tough guy. You don't have to have eye

1063
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: problems with this guy. It gives you that inner confidence

1064
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: being dangerous not even having to use it. And that's

1065
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: part of being a man.

1066
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 5: How do I say this is a bit controversial as

1067
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 5: well from a Christian perspective, Like what would you say,

1068
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 5: because everyone's probably probably getting Christians confused with like, you know,

1069
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 5: being obviously being a dangerous person, which is kind of

1070
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 5: like opposite.

1071
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: We have to be dormat table.

1072
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, they only has to be dormat turn. The

1073
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 5: other cheek is it is this that a lot of

1074
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 5: people are not gonna I'm not gonna agree with me

1075
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 5: with this. Yeah, but there's a time for combat.

1076
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, come on, straight up. So like the same thing,

1077
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: like the way I raised my kids. Yeah, like you know,

1078
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: don't be a bully, don't be a standover. You know,

1079
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: be nice, to be gentle. But they touch you, crack them,

1080
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: crack them. And then it's the same thing like if

1081
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: you have an issue with someone. This is even as

1082
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: a Christian, you have an issue of someone, you just

1083
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: can't resolve it. You have tried to talk about it,

1084
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: you have tried to do all those methods, and you

1085
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 1: are still clashing and there's still drummers. Why not go

1086
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: put some gloves on, go jump in the ring and

1087
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: bang it out. Wow, And then like real men, you know,

1088
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: if you lost, stand up, shake his hand, take the

1089
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: l and now you have to shush. Yeah hey, yeah,

1090
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: I reckon, like, but we can't get a twisted and

1091
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: think that like people can walk all over. Yeah. It

1092
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: was like, that's not how it works. I say with

1093
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: my sons, like I'll tell them once, I'll tell them

1094
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: sometimes twice and the third time the wooden springs out. Yeah.

1095
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:10,399
Speaker 1: You know, like, bro, you.

1096
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 2: Have to learn like, well we're not doing man, Yeah,

1097
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 2: we still have to have a tough to have a

1098
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 2: hard Yeah.

1099
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, that just goes back to what he was saying.

1100
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 5: Being a Christian athlete on the field, it's important to

1101
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,760
Speaker 5: show that characteristic being a Christian.

1102
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's mad. Even if you look at some of

1103
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 4: the like the famous people in the Bible like David

1104
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 4: and Solomon or like, you know, there's a lot off's

1105
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 4: a lot of everyone's talks about that stuff. And yeah,

1106
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 4: really do you ever see someone like David turning the

1107
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 4: other cheeks?

1108
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Yeah, there's a time for

1109
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: a day. So obviously, like with the Sernmon and wisdom,

1110
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: you know, like you got to pick your battles. And

1111
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: get me wrong, did you say Ecclesias is a time

1112
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: for war? Is that what he said? No? No, no,

1113
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 1: I was about to say, yeah, yeah, you know I

1114
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 1: was so close. I was like, I just say yet

1115
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: in my mind what you might have just said it

1116
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 1: there now, So like there's a there's a verse and exclusias,

1117
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: like there's a time for peace and there's a time

1118
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: for war. And I'm not ever cating for violence, because

1119
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: there's a good way to do it too. But I

1120
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: my sons are fighting too much and they're not getting along,

1121
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,760
Speaker 1: and I'm telling them. I'm telling them, I said, okay,

1122
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: then you want to fight, yeah, punch on, and then

1123
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: one of these is going to lose, usually the little brother. Now,

1124
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 1: start listening to your older brother, shake cances, have a hug.

1125
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: Now let's go play. That's true, but like, yeah, did

1126
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: you guys have that hierarchy growing up?

1127
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 2: Always always remember that time when the PlayStation, so my

1128
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 2: older brother we always play Teching Mortal commat and when yeah,

1129
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 2: when my older brother is losing, like we start getting

1130
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 2: scared because we're like we can hear him getting angry

1131
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:44,720
Speaker 2: and this person to control us, so we start losing

1132
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 2: all purpose purpose And I remember I remember this guy

1133
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 2: because me and him, we were smart. We learn our

1134
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 2: lesson we will know when to lose on purpose. This

1135
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 2: guy is the youngest out of all of us. He's

1136
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 2: smash bro smash keep just Joe is just watching to

1137
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 2: get it. He's the controller.

1138
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: That's not that's but it wasn't with it. I used to.

1139
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 1: I used to just be like.

1140
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 4: You got me, Like you got me, you got me

1141
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 4: nowhere Yeah the guy You'll be like, yeah I got you.

1142
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 2: Yeah you're ship your ship, and we're like, yeah, yeah,

1143
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 2: you learn.

1144
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:37,760
Speaker 1: This guy, Oh goodness, learned the hardway, hardway.

1145
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 4: Just just coming towards the end of our show, I

1146
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 4: feel like you could be a big voice on social media.

1147
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 4: Where do you see yourself going next? And are we

1148
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 4: expecting Josh had the media coming soon.

1149
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: But I don't want to plug my stuff here. I

1150
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:57,959
Speaker 1: feel like that's a bit rude.

1151
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 2: No, no, please please tell us where we can find

1152
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 2: you and tell us what you're doing.

1153
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 1: Sorry. So during my my NRL career, I don't really

1154
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 1: want to have a big social media prisonce because it

1155
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: was like a little bit of extra noise. So like

1156
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 1: I was pretty lazy with my social media and I

1157
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 1: think I only even want on one podcast in my

1158
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: and my whole career. But now with like what I'm

1159
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: going into next, I realized, like the value in it,

1160
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:25,959
Speaker 1: and I, like I was telling you, I can still

1161
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: be on social media and be authentic. I kind't have

1162
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: to be a cheeseball like some of these other guys.

1163
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: You guys are a good example. You guys are authentic.

1164
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 1: You guys are genuine. You guys keep U pretty real.

1165
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: So I'm just going to do that, like my through

1166
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: my Instagram and and things like that, and my my

1167
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 1: YouTube channel which is kind of tracking my journey from

1168
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: NRL to Brazilian jiu jitsu. I've got like my last

1169
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: competition I competed in, and then also like teaching young

1170
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 1: kids how to wrestle for rugby league, but then also

1171
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,439
Speaker 1: like the mental space, so giving them another match, teaching

1172
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: them how to wrestle, and then like developing their character.

1173
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,760
Speaker 1: I just want like for young boys kind of similar

1174
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: to what we're talking about, but I want them to

1175
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 1: be empowered, to be like really confident in who they are.

1176
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: And then the young girls that come through self defense

1177
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 1: is really important for them to So he teaches them

1178
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: how to wrestle for their rugby if they just want

1179
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: to learn wrestling to wrestling, teaching them that too, and

1180
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 1: just kind of impairing our youth. So yeah, I am

1181
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: real passionate about like that space, which is kind of

1182
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: similar to what yous are doing in that mentoring space

1183
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: for the youth. So I've got Rugby League clinics teaching

1184
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: them how to wrestle, and yeah, trying to get kids

1185
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: of really good character. Where can they find you on that?

1186
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: On that? What's the So my my thing is called

1187
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,800
Speaker 1: rock and Roll, which is the Rugby League specific wrestling.

1188
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: But just on my instagram, Josh Layer come through having

1189
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: kids having kids through every school holidays. So we just

1190
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: finished a big launch. I probably don't We had about

1191
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,240
Speaker 1: two hundred kids through the last couple of weeks. Wow,

1192
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: cool man. So that's all on my Instagram. And then

1193
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,720
Speaker 1: next school holidays we're gonna do the same thing. Yeah,

1194
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: and then twenty twenty six. The goal is to keep

1195
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: it as an ongoing thing. Yeah. Wow, I'm more consistent, more.

1196
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 2: Ongoing, you know what, the Lord, this has probably been

1197
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 2: one of my favorite conversations like this. This podcast is

1198
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 2: why we do this because everyone that knows him as

1199
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 2: an NRL player, you've just found out this guy is

1200
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 2: so much more than just you know what you guys

1201
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 2: know him to be, and you know what, I've realized

1202
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 2: myself that you've actually you can actually be a mentor

1203
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 2: for a lot of young lads like growing up insaying

1204
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 2: that dog. The world that we live in today where

1205
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 2: testosteron levels are at its lowest, and you know, men's

1206
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 2: mental health the suicide for men's mental health, it's peaking skyrocketing.

1207
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 2: What is your advice to any young teenager out there

1208
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 2: that is scrolling on social media if they see this,

1209
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 2: what is your message to them?

1210
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: But thank you? But you guys have always showed love

1211
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: ever since I've got in contact with you, So that's

1212
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 1: cool eight because the loves reciprocated, Like, yeah, of what

1213
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: he's a doing. You guys have always showed me loving

1214
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: and stuff that I'm doing. That's why I'm happy to

1215
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: be a main main chat to you. Guys are easier

1216
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: to talk to. Turning up for your family, being a

1217
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: good role model for young men, training, doing hard things.

1218
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: Being a gangsters is digging deeper training, uh, being being

1219
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: a role model in the community. That's being a gangster.

1220
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: That's what's being hard.

1221
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 2: What a podcast session, Bri, I feel like we could

1222
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 2: have easy went for another.

1223
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, just just before we end, let me keep you

1224
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 4: with some like personal questions that I wanted to ask you.

1225
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: Let's good, do I have to answer them fast? Or so?

1226
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: I had some written down.

1227
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 4: I've got most intimidating player You've played against?

1228
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: Most intimidating player? You know what? This is a funny one.

1229
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: Ham All in my back roller. Yeah, never had to

1230
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: play against him, thank god, right next to him when

1231
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 1: he's smoking people. I'm like, I'm to play against him,

1232
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: so but he would probably be the one. Yeah, how

1233
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 1: mad would that be to have our money on your team? Man?

1234
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 1: Fa Yeah, it's been cool. But he's got that balance

1235
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 1: right where like he's a bad man on the field

1236
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: and when he gets off, he's himself chill, you know,

1237
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to try and be anything he's not.

1238
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: He's got that balance. Real good. Yeah. Yeah.

1239
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 4: Second, I've got favorite someone in feud after you win

1240
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 4: the game.

1241
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: Oh favorite smon food. But I'm not huge on but

1242
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 1: on Sundays, like after church on the way stop, I

1243
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: just like Calor. My auntiel is Chop, so he is

1244
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 1: pretty good. Yeah. I'll probably get to color on Chop

1245
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: Sue together. Chop Sue. Are we saying this moon Chop

1246
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 1: Sue or that my uncle said, my auntie and my

1247
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: uncle Tom is Toman who took me and when I

1248
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,479
Speaker 1: first moved to Australia. So I love with my tongue

1249
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,919
Speaker 1: and town moon family is and my uncle's from FLA.

1250
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: He's a well so we will family at the end

1251
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: of the day. Who's the funniest guy and Manley that

1252
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: you know? Oh, funniest guy. I'm trying to think. He's

1253
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 1: a good roster Cordy. He's already had on your podcast.

1254
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 1: He's always got energy. Yeah, he's always upbeat. He's always

1255
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,479
Speaker 1: got good energy. I watched the podcast with you guys.

1256
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 1: He could have so smiling that the blocers was making

1257
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: he was rubbing off on us. We were smiling too.

1258
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 1: We could have drop. Oh he's one of the funniest

1259
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:44,959
Speaker 1: guys I've come across. Do you know, Wesley, Yeah, shout

1260
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: out to Shout out to man he was funny man

1261
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: not stop laughing, random, he was a roaster to he's

1262
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: the best. He's good. What's your what what's some of

1263
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: your favorite songs or what's one favorite song that he

1264
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: can pick of right now? Yeah, the first one that

1265
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: comes to my head is t y J made for this.

1266
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: I know that song. Well, yeah, I listened to in

1267
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 1: a couple of times. That's the long Drive music right there.

1268
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: It's like I've listened to it before games ever since

1269
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 1: it come out, Like I still listen to it now.

1270
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:20,479
Speaker 1: My sons know that's my favorite song. Wow, yeah, that's

1271
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 1: that songs I reckon shut out team Bro. Yeah. I

1272
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 1: love your work.

1273
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 4: I j would you would you rather run a straight

1274
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 4: competition with how Mollett or go three rounds with Paul Gallen?

1275
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: Too easy? Yeah? Easy? I'm not kidding out. Yeah that

1276
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 1: was That was pretty much my question. Man, this is

1277
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: a fun episode. Then, I've really enjoyed it.

1278
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 4: I was so much you know, deep stuff that we

1279
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 4: spoke about and fun stuff we spoke about.

1280
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Speaker 1: And it's a pleasure to meet you man. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you actually shocked me and I'm inspired myself from

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Speaker 4: this podcast alone.

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Speaker 1: But I feel like we covered everything every Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: because we even cover more brow we could. I feel

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Speaker 1: like we could be here for ages. Nah, man, Like

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Speaker 1: I don't want to keep kissing you, but you are

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Speaker 1: doing a mean job. So like, I'm happy to be

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Speaker 1: part of your guys platform. Thank you, Thank you for

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Speaker 1: what you guys are doing. You probably don't see a

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Speaker 1: lot of it too. But from the outside, you guys

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Speaker 1: are doing a good job. I don't do any more plugging.

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Speaker 1: I reckon. All these messages that we talked about like

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Speaker 1: have been really good. So Bro, love your guys, Reconsource,

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Speaker 1: thank you for having me on. Thank you, thank you guys,

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys. Make sure you guys go and follow

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Speaker 1: the bro Josh, Thank you everyone. That what's the podcast?

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Speaker 1: So that's us. This is bros and cuns And see

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Speaker 1: on the next song with a cool With the cool

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Speaker 1: comes we move